Newbie 1989 (Game over!)

[Doobietime]

Hey! Didn't want to be first poster :') this is my very first mafia game of any format- so apologies in advance. I accidentally found myself here after a crazy game was started in the forums of a different game I play.

[Doobietime]

If anyone has spotted me online, I'm just catching up and getting a post together. Don't want to miss anything

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VOTE: Iconeum

Vote: Doobietime

Welcome have a vote.

Hi! Thanks. I'll assume it's not personal at this stage.

@GuiltyLion, @72offsuit, took me a few attempts to find a photo which was small enough but I sacrificed my original idea and found an (albeit less funny) one to fit

72, I was actually going to wait for a few replies as I like to observe people before interacting with them- however I got impatient and wanted to get things started.

Just so she can actually play the game a bit, y'know?

Thank you haha! I'm sure I'll experience a first day lynch/NK at some stage. I'm more concerned with keeping up with everything!

Thanks for the kind welcomes and offers of advice, everybody. I've read the thread so far and there aren't that many conclusions to be drawn for me.

I'm voting Iconeum because when Atarashi justified their comment by saying Lotus did the same thing and therefore should have been scumread too, Iconeum changed their vote. Is 'well if I'm scum then

they're

definitely scum' a good enough reason for an SE to change their vote? Isn't this supposed to be a more or less random voting stage? We have nothing to go on.

Also I feel as though the observations both Atarashi and Lotus made were both making notes for later in the game, a town indicator for me for now. Another reason why Iconeums voting attitude is confusing me.




By the way, is this post too long? I tried to shorten it, but, I'm a wordy person. Always open to feedback.

[Doobietime]

Hello fellow Europe dwellers.

@Menalque what does SSS mean?

[Doobietime]

I'm from the UK.

I did try google, but I'm guessing you didn't mean the geometrical term side side side

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Information

--> two mechanically proven towns.

Is Menalque a proven town just because he said he was or is there more to that assumption?

[Doobietime]

Information

--> two mechanically proven towns.

Is Menalque a proven town just because he said he was or is there more to that assumption?

I don't see a scenario which

Scum!Menalque

would bluff a claim with the risk of receiving a

CC

on the first day.

Do you ?

Spoiler:

Fair point, which I hadn't considered

It wouldn't be

impossible

to pull off a false PR claim though. And first impressions make me think Menalque would be the type to try :b

[Doobietime]

There's not that much (that's concrete) to be taken from what's been written so far, imo. Maybe it was all towns which were having a battle of wills earlier, everybody came across well meaning so I was looking for logical flaws instead.

I explained my current vote in 56. I'll be interested to hear what they have to say upon return.

The only other possibly meaningful interaction I've taken away is Lotus somewhat calling out Ata, because of the post which Iconeum took issue with. As stated at the time, Ata and Lotus more or less did the same thing

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Have you read any guidance on scumhunting or anything?

I was up until around 4am reading forums last night. It's already just past midnight and I'm still puzzling over what's been said so far, have to keep reminding myself it's quite literally the first day.

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Wow, so the thread has doubled in size since I went to sleep... There's so many points of view to look at this from I'm going to need a long minute.

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So... Much... Cross-referencing.

I think I'm getting a wrinkle from frowning at my screen every time I pick up my phone and try to sort this out in my head

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So, I agree with the points made by Lotus in 213.


In addition to this, Ico, post #226 right after hardclaiming makes no sense as you'd already said you were a mason?

That's funny, because I don't see menal with access to the mason pt

i even had a great crumb planned for later in the day

I'm going to leave my vote where it is for now. I have more thoughts to add tonight about others when I have more time, but wanted to respond to Ico in the hope of getting an answer before V/LA begins

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What makes you SR lotus? I notice you changed your initial vote for Lotus to one for Menalque and then unvoted altogether before coming back to lotus, why didn't you go back to voting lotus right away? I read the links, yes, and Lotus' points make sense to me whereas Ico's actions do not sit right with me.

But I am struggling to keep up

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I posted my reason in #48. A few more questions.

1. Do you think there's something scummy about the way I voted? If so, what?
2. What makes sense, to you, about lotus's points?
3. In converse, what has Ico done that doesn't sit right with you?

You didn't answer my other question, why did you change to no vote before going back to Lotus?

I've read number #48 and the reasoning was thin, but agreeable at the time as we didn't have 300 pieces of information to make sense of.

It's not scummy how you voted but it's inconsistent no matter your alignment, and a single inconsistent stance could become important later in the game.

2) Ico said the only possibility is Menalque is a Mason. That's what Ico said and Lotus is saying that's what Ico said, I'm in agreement with this because its factual.
Next, lotus said how what Ico said made sense (it did) but that it didn't necessarily ring true. I interpreted that to mean that there were other scenarios in which Menalque could be Town and avoid being killed or lynched. Which Ico actually supports by saying on a couple of occasions that they left the door open etc...
Lastly, lotus said that it was a distraction tactic by Ico- this may or may not be the case but it was agreeably (to me at least) hollow.

3) I've made my points about my vote for Ico already. Another contradiction they made was that in post #196, saying that Menalque must be Mason. Why say that if Ico is mason and therefore knows fully well Menalque is not. Why cause confusion by thinking aloud how Menalque -could- in fact be a Mason?

My last point against Ico and this one is stupid really, is that when Ico greeted me they said 'go lynch some scum', how would Ico know that was the aim of my game? It's either an assumption (which I don't like) or was the product of information the rest of us didn't have at the starting point.

[Doobietime]

I believe it is strange in a line of intrigue involving

Menalque

and

Ico

, that you see

Elmo

as the primary element of suspicion.

True.

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@Ata, I don't want to quote and make my post even longer...
Sorry for the delay. I spent ages answering your questions without even drafting them because I thought I'd made a logical mistake somewhere with my hunch and you had an actual reason for scumreading me. Thankfully I can answer all of your questions, and still feel as though I could be right, which frankly is a bloody miracle at this stage. I can't answer what it is we aren't understanding about eachother though.

You didn't and still haven't answered all of my question. You made two judgement calls on the mason situation, first voting Menalque because of it. Then as you say, decided not to pursue further, by no voting. It seems weird to be set strongly enough on Lotus to return back to voting for them for same reasons in post 48, when you dropped that vote for Menalque and then went for a no vote before returning to your original trail of thought. I would have thought if your SR of Lotus was genuine or strong enough you would have stuck with it or gone right back to it sans no vote.

^Which is why I'm speculating your reasoning was passable before but less so now. It's what I'm saying is inconsistent about you so far and it matters because something being scummy is contextual, presumably as more information becomes available things like early inconsistencies can paint a bigger picture later in the game. If said inconsistencies were all actions which manipulate the game to one teams advantage, for example.



Post 196,
I understood the tone of the post. I still feel as though it's exploring the possibility which doesn't help town. And 'I don't think he ever claims this early' is a playstyle reference which I can't verify. Ico should have shut it down completely, like you seem to have interpreted them as doing anyway.

If Ico's observation amounts to 'this seems to make sense, but then even that doesn't add up'
isn't he pointing something out to others and debating it extensively, but not making a personal conclusion from it, much like lotus did to earn your vote?

I wouldn't sit here debating this with you if I hadn't read the the links. I wouldn't have linked the post saying I agree with the points here if I didn't know what they were. How would that benefit me whichever way I was aligned?


213/193
I agreed with Lotus' point and elaborated on my reasons for agreeing it didn't sit right. The list isn't exactly all-inclusive is it? There's 101 plausible scenarios and Ico supposedly left the window open to a town Menalque so that's one outside of the two listed here.

Point two says he risks pinging other power roles and them investigating him diverting power from scum. A fake claim from a town gives no power to scum in itself, only the possible repercussions. If we are indeed playing with masons then similar logic could be applied to Ico's CC, who will benefit from that info at this stage in a Mason setup?

Next Q,
I agreed it was hollow because as Menalque says, he was leaning towards lotus being scum at that time.

Whew, nearly done...

One- No, I'm saying why did Ico say 'go Lynch scum' when only mafia would know whether I'm planning to lynch scum or not?

Two- had to finish on this one didn't you? After all my effort? Well... I'm gonna post my long ass argument anyway :b

I'm leaning more towards Ico being scum than anybody else at this point, especially after all this revisiting. I never said it wasn't petty, in fact, didn't I more or less say it was? I'm doing my best with what I have. Your scum read of me is petty also and that is because we are just getting started

[Doobietime]

Riddle me this. Why are we solving this game on day one?

Isn't the point of the game to solve it? Why wouldn't we start on day one?

I didn't expect it to be so intense so early :') worried that things might take off more when we actually have something concrete to analyse, and I'll never catch up

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328

I concur, it's unlikely, but not impossible. I said the same thing earlier in the thread about it coming across as TvT. But it's easy to play town when there is nothing to really substantiate an argument either way .

There's not that much (that's concrete) to be taken from what's been written so far, imo. Maybe it was all towns which were having a battle of wills earlier, everybody came across well meaning so I was looking for logical flaws instead.

[Doobietime]

Information

--> two mechanically proven towns.

Is Menalque a proven town just because he said he was or is there more to that assumption?

I don't see a scenario which

Scum!Menalque

would bluff a claim with the risk of receiving a

CC

on the first day.

Do you ?

Spoiler:

This was also unlikely but he was apparently bluffing, and it makes even less sense coming from a VT than scum- who would at least have someone to coordinate with.

Not sure why, but thus far I'm inclined to believe Menalque joined us as a crazy/suicidal Townie. But maybe that's what he wants me to think awwwww

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@Doobie:
If you thought it was a stupid point, why bring it up?

Because Iconeum's SE status leads me to believe they wouldn't give away their alignment in their first post, but if Ico turns out to be scum, that's exactly what happened. Stupid, because it would be an absolutely horrendous poor play, but still doesn't make what I said incomprehensible.

Sophie

If imscum then i am fakeclaiming

The absolute Optimal play for town power IS to counterclaim and lynh me

The trade IS in town benefit because the town power can effectivelu catch scum this way

I don't understand how you're proven town? I don't know how anything can be proven with not one single action having been taken.

Don't masons have to be extra careful? I mean, it's only a PR until one gets lynched or NK- I'm assuming they can't communicate in a PT after that? Aren't you guaranteed to be killed N1 at the latest after hardclaiming, so the scum can eliminate towns only advantage in a Mason game setup?

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I'm confused by the multiple reactions to my continued vote on Ico, especially as it's been spelled out for me that it's not outside the realms of possibility. It's the best I have, guys!

I'm still reading everybody, including Menalque. It would be stupid not to. But I'm leaning towards him being Town for now, mostly because of his entrance- the aforementioned arrogance, the fact he said he plays for fun. This makes me feel like he dropped the mason bomb just to see how it would play out, I don't see him doing so without contingency plans in place for different reactions though. I can see ways he could be scum too. Tbh I haven't even ruled out that he might really be a Mason and there's stuff going on behind the scenes we aren't seeing. I have too many theories and not enough data to start narrowing them down.

I've got brainache, if I get lynched I'm going to have to put off starting a new game so I can lurk and keep up with what's happening :')

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My reads on Doobie.

Doobie (Tl;dr Warning) I spent quite a bit of time on him trying to figure out what's going on inside Doobie's head.

Spoiler:

This post and all their posts leading up to this seem Forced and Awkward. Early on Doobie is not exactly showing the greatest signs of being townie as they seem Awkward with their posts. What do I mean by this? well, his "Not wanting to post first" his "If you see me online. I'm just catching up followed my a smiley face" idk it just seems forced imo. Something a Scum would say to catch town off guard.

Wow, so the thread has doubled in size since I went to sleep... There's so many points of view to look at this from I'm going to need a long minute.

This post is also Awkward. I mean I don't know Doobie's playstyle but im just pointing things out that normally I don't see. Such as these Awkward posts. If anyone has played with Doobie before please tell me if they are always like this.

So, I agree with the points made by Lotus in 213.


In addition to this, Ico, post #226 right after hardclaiming makes no sense as you'd already said you were a mason?

That's funny, because I don't see menal with access to the mason pt

i even had a great crumb planned for later in the day

I'm going to leave my vote where it is for now. I have more thoughts to add tonight about others when I have more time, but wanted to respond to Ico in the hope of getting an answer before V/LA begins

Finally something relativally interesting on their part. This post makes up for the awkwardness. They are concidering other options and being considerate to other possibilities. However any scum can play this game so I want to read them more.

What makes you SR lotus? I notice you changed your initial vote for Lotus to one for Menalque and then unvoted altogether before coming back to

@Ata, I don't want to quote and make my post even longer...
Sorry for the delay. I spent ages answering your questions without even drafting them because I thought I'd made a logical mistake somewhere with my hunch and you had an actual reason for scumreading me. Thankfully I can answer all of your questions, and still feel as though I could be right, which frankly is a bloody miracle at this stage. I can't answer what it is we aren't understanding about eachother though.

You didn't and still haven't answered all of my question. You made two judgement calls on the mason situation, first voting Menalque because of it. Then as you say, decided not to pursue further, by no voting. It seems weird to be set strongly enough on Lotus to return back to voting for them for same reasons in post 48, when you dropped that vote for Menalque and then went for a no vote before returning to your original trail of thought. I would have thought if your SR of Lotus was genuine or strong enough you would have stuck with it or gone right back to it sans no vote.

^Which is why I'm speculating your reasoning was passable before but less so now. It's what I'm saying is inconsistent about you so far and it matters because something being scummy is contextual, presumably as more information becomes available things like early inconsistencies can paint a bigger picture later in the game. If said inconsistencies were all actions which manipulate the game to one teams advantage, for example.



Post 196,
I understood the tone of the post. I still feel as though it's exploring the possibility which doesn't help town. And 'I don't think he ever claims this early' is a playstyle reference which I can't verify. Ico should have shut it down completely, like you seem to have interpreted them as doing anyway.

If Ico's observation amounts to 'this seems to make sense, but then even that doesn't add up'
isn't he pointing something out to others and debating it extensively, but not making a personal conclusion from it, much like lotus did to earn your vote?

I wouldn't sit here debating this with you if I hadn't read the the links. I wouldn't have linked the post saying I agree with the points here if I didn't know what they were. How would that benefit me whichever way I was aligned?


213/193
I agreed with Lotus' point and elaborated on my reasons for agreeing it didn't sit right. The list isn't exactly all-inclusive is it? There's 101 plausible scenarios and Ico supposedly left the window open to a town Menalque so that's one outside of the two listed here.

Point two says he risks pinging other power roles and them investigating him diverting power from scum. A fake claim from a town gives no power to scum in itself, only the possible repercussions. If we are indeed playing with masons then similar logic could be applied to Ico's CC, who will benefit from that info at this stage in a Mason setup?

Next Q,
I agreed it was hollow because as Menalque says, he was leaning towards lotus being scum at that time.

Whew, nearly done...

One- No, I'm saying why did Ico say 'go Lynch scum' when only mafia would know whether I'm planning to lynch scum or not?

Two- had to finish on this one didn't you? After all my effort? Well... I'm gonna post my long ass argument anyway :b

I'm leaning more towards Ico being scum than anybody else at this point, especially after all this revisiting. I never said it wasn't petty, in fact, didn't I more or less say it was? I'm doing my best with what I have. Your scum read of me is petty also and that is because we are just getting started

Tl;dr. Yeah scum often pulls Tl;dr but to sum this up. Townie post overall. Concidering possibilities. Catching up with reads. Results and questions. Answering others. Gaining possibilities. etc. lotus, why didn't you go back to voting lotus right away? I read the links, yes, and Lotus' points make sense to me whereas Ico's actions do not sit right with me.

But I am struggling to keep up

I'm going to admit, Lotus was acting scummy. I see no reason why Doobie couldn't of caught up with the following reads especially when they claim to be "Active" and re-reading everything. Perhaps this is a pocket?

The Term Pocket means that you are being nice to a player/defending them to make them like you.

Overall, Doobie has an interesting ISO. They have both a mix of awkward nervous posts yet confident and Powerful townie posts. It is completely mixed and it's difficult to understand their playstyle. Hopefully they will catch up and continue on reads. Currently a Null for me.

Yet Im concidering this possibility. Is there a TMI Mixed in?
TMI = Too Much information.

Hey! I'm a girl, by the way. Doesn't matter if you get it wrong though, I get it a lot with this u.n for some reason.

I was writing my comment as you posted this. This made me laugh quite a lot actually, I'm an awkward person and the most arrogant unconfident person you'll e-meet. I'm just being myself so it's nice to know that I come across in text as I think I do irl. I too spend a lot of time trying to figure out what's going on in my head.

Nobody has previous experience playing with me because I've never played mafia before. I didn't know it existed a week or two ago.

I'll probably do that again- say I'm catching up while I'm getting my thoughts together and drafting my post. Especially if there's lots to catch up on. Just explaining why I'm online but not contributing.

I think Lotus' viewpoints have mostly echoed with my own inklings at how this game might turn out, and since people thought we're working together it also made me less interested in others SR of them as I know that isn't what's happening

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Oh hey Doobie.
well explain your Vote on Ico more clearly if you don't mind.

I've got to head out but will post that when I come back. It's going to be the same as what I've already said, I have no further thoughts on Ico, only thoughts on others actions related to them and my possible SR of them.

But literally everything is hypothetical. I'm struggling to justify the fact I just have a stronger case for my feelings towards Ico when all of my feelings are literally just that.

[Doobietime]

At the risk of another awkward accusation- I've caught up, I'm just getting my first post together. Going to go through player by player today and thought I'd be able to make the first one quicker than I have.

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Going to be jotting down my observations for each person today (maybe tomorrow too depending on how much time it takes), I don't have anybody boxed in to a particular alignment so I'm not sure if these are going to turn into full-on reads but I will indicate if I'm leaning a certain way.


Atarashi:

Spoiler:

I liked how you made your point over Ico's vote, it's how I would have gone about it. In the follow up I'm unsure about your response following Lotus' #37 though you weren't alone in seeing it totally different to me. From my point of view you were both doing the same innocent thing, kept debating it, and both kept making valid points which applied to both of you simultaneously.

I don't like 399&401 where you said 'you're more confident Eqsy's slot is scum' but 'you'd be down to lynch me OVER Eqsy'. I just don't follow. You say I'm difficult to read but that if Eqsy is the scum then I'm likely the second- so why wouldn't you lynch Eqsy first to get that extra bit of data to help read me?

462&465
You've put a lot of time and effort into those. I hope you'll continue to do the same thing throughout the game. Inspired me to do the same sort of thing (if these get tedious you only have yourself to blame). Detailed, mostly opinionated or at least exploring possibilities, lots of info for others to look back and cross reference you on. Does seem like a townie thing to do, but could easily be done by scum too. Still hoping for more though hah.

462 in relation to post 96 you talk about "first time" players but still have asked about others experience. Not something I would do if I didn't find the information to be reliable, but on the balance I think it does have potential to provide an insight.

#462 you miss out the mason posts saying that it has been talked about extensively, true, but the most you say is in post #300, I'd like to hear more about your decision regarding your unvote?
You touch on it again in #481 and to me this seems like you had more solid grounds for your Menalque vote than your one for Lotus/Eqsy. What made you decide it wasn't worth pursuing anymore if you thought getting rid of Menalque would wrap the game up either way?

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Clidd

This one is lacking in observations, let alone guesses at alignment. I didn't realise I was drawing such a blank on you til I tried to write this.

Spoiler:

You said initially that you were going to be a support mostly. I was worried about you not really participating but you've been really quite active even if I'm totally null on you at the minute. Your take on 'low energy' is putting my assimilations to shame.

I can't find anything (nil, nada, sweet fa) where you've contradicted yourself, or been anything other than thorough when explaining yourself.

I'm struggling with the views based on playstyle and metas, in a game where anyone can be anyone and nobody has to follow a pattern, but if I had a better understanding of everybody here I'd probably end up incorporating that information into early stage narrowing down/PoE of my theories too. It's not your fault I can't relate to your position r.e having meta's in any game, nor that I don't have access to the knowledge you do in this particular game.

I don't even know what else to add about you from your ISO, but I have a question;

You said you'll L1 or hammer someone- who and why? Or are you happy to jump on any wagon just because the alignment reveal will be at least one sure thing to draw further conclusions from?

Side note- English is your third language? May I ask what the others are? At work I can almost always detect little things within a few sentences and figure it out for myself, but your English is faultless. Better than I see from some (most) native speakers of English!

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Elmo

Spoiler:

Less to sort through in your ISO, but you're my first lean, and it's towards town. Not sure why my leans are tending to be polar opposite to others? This is fun...

She's echoed my position (even at times when I haven't posted my position); being very open minded, baffled at why this game is going how it is, most of her posts are explorative and pending further information. I totally relate and believe the reluctance to try and peg people and rather reason out all scenarios is coming from a town mindset.

Even when your interpretations have totally differed from mine your approach has been reasonable and even relatable to me- no red flags thus far.

@clidd if you happen to wonder why this is similar to my post on you but I'm TR her, it's because her posts have a better balance of personal vs analytical. You come across as the overseer you claimed to be.

[Doobietime]

1.

The player without a profile picture, or any of the others I mentioned in the list of '' uncertain ''. My vote in this game plays an important role in sealing the fate of a player (as I trust my own judgment). In a recent past game, I made the mistake of letting a random player take on that responsibility and it greatly hampered the game (as he was scum). By not voting early, I can better see how the votes are distributed, without the pretext of

'' I was sheeping clidd ''

.

Noted. You think it will help you form further opinions without data contamination. I get this, though I think it denies Town the opportunity to analyse

you

in that way. That's not a dig, more a lament on my part as I'm having trouble figuring people out enough already.

Is this game unusual insofar as you think we'll be able to solve it within a few days? What are the pivotal things which have happened to make you feel like a conclusion is already close?

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Because you're misinterpreting my post. I said I'd be down to lynch you over Eqsy

if it came down to it

. My preference is the other way around.

Meaning if there was a wagon on me opposed to them? Okay, sorry, it read differently in my mind.

It's all that I specifically talked about it, yes. But theres a solid ~100 posts where people are only talking about it. If you cant figure out how you feel about it from that then I'm not sure what else I can add.

Also I'm pretty sure you've already asked me about my unvote but it's really not relevant to my wagon on eqsy so if you really wanna go over it again wait until tomorrow after he's eaten some rope.

I've asked about your unvote in relation to the Lotus/Eqsy situation, which you never answered clearly either. You did only say you lost interest (or something to that effect) in voting Menalque, and barely discussed the 'mason debacle' as you so rightly put it. I was just asking how

you

felt about it and how you came to moving

your

vote because it feels like you were mostly missing from the discussion. I'm asking because your response may or may not change my position on you, not because your position is going to influence mine.

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Welcome back! I'll accept your position Ico. I can't validate myself further, I expect from your tone you feel the same way, if you're telling the truth I expect it will become abundantly clear to me soon enough.

Was hoping to start up where I left off yesterday but today has become much busier than anticipated. May not be able to get back to you guys til tonight or worst case scenario, tomorrow. Definitely will be back, feel free to prod away, I might like it

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Why are we lining up lynches?
And calling a policy lynch?

I'm just trying to understand this logic.

For the moment, I'll go with VOTE: Elmo TeH AzN: as others have pointed out, she seemed to get unduly flustered by Menalque's SR of her.

In a game of mafia information is key. The less scum have the less they know about the setup.
So you are saying I shouldn't have lost it over someone claiming a PR to lure a NK and then ousting a PR for nothing?

Not sure where you have played but I come from the old times where this was just ignorant to do. You just did nothing to help the town with it. And it's more the surface level on why I got frustrated.

-Elmo: policy lynching is bad mkay
-Elmo: we need all the information we can get because information is key

-Also Elmo: I will quickhammer this slot to spare us having a replacement that might procude content and because it's lurking

I was thinking the same thing when I saw the quickhammer comment. I don't like inconsistencies as we know :') It would be an unavoidable FoS on Elmo if she hammered Eqsy and they turned out to be town though, I probably wouldn't take that risk as either alignment.

I like your unvote though, enough to UNVOTE: you myself.

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To elaborate, I like that Ico decided to remove themselves from the wagon for the time being in order to give Eqsy a chance to respond, not necessarily due to a change of heart on the read of the slot but due to reluctance of possibly lynching a town- how I feel also*

Or at least that's my current interpretation.

I suppose it could also indicate Ico/Eqsy scum pair by unvoting but like with Elmo this would be an unavoidable FoS later. Could also provide plausible deniabilty if infact Ico does want Eqsy lynched but wants to seem unsure. Ooooh :/

*(this shared approach was also a contributing factor on my TL of Elmo before she mentioned quickhammering. Will have to reevaluate)

[Doobietime]

Just getting my thoughts together, not lurking.


Elmo I'm totally new to this game, if quickhammer was the wrong terminology then I am sorry but not sure how the connotations differ.

[Doobietime]

#267

Makes me go hmm too.

Wanting the game to move on/feeling bad for a replacement getting lynched right away/saving Datisi some time finding a replacement is considerate to all scenarios except the one where we want all the information possible before we have to move forward. Which is at odds with things you've said previously, like Ico said.



#632 @clidd
What what? If they were a scum pair it would make sense for Ico to come off if the wagon but try and make a balanced case for it.

Sorry I'm confusing you. If it helps, I'm also confused. Not sure if I'm terrible at hypothesising altogether or just struggling to keep up with all the possibilities. I can't just keep my mouth shut and not say anything at all though. Not used to being the slow one in any situation and it's making me uncomfortable.


I'm still thinking about the scum Ico theory, sorry to disappoint, but I'm less stuck on it now and feel as though my vote wasn't representative of my feelings overall. Not sure why scum me would have stood their ground so long if it was going to blow up in my face.

[Doobietime]

Hi,

I have coronavirus and feel absolutely awful. Not sure how to proceed, think it's best that you replace/lynch me. Guessing lynch because we know Elmo doesn't like to let a replacement enter a scummy slot.

Genuinely am a VT (just like scum would say) so prepare to be perplexed. My bad.

Sorry if I actually offended you, Iconeum. I'll be a 15 on the scale, though, if you flip red.

Really sad to leave but it's the best for the game I think. Sorry. You guys are great, I've learnt a lot. Probably going to behave the same way when I feel better and join a new game though, so feel free to steer clear.

[Doobietime]

Oof, I got it soooo wrong. Well done everyone else. And thanks for all the kind words when I requested replacement :}