Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[Hectic]

Detective "Detective" Detective reporting for duty! We're looking to keep the peace here. We haven't had any murders for a good few days now, so let's try and aim for a week without any, eh? It'd break the previous record.

Morning Tweet committing around half a dozen greeting tells. Fortunately for her, two cancel out and she's on an even number.

VOTE: a50

Has not confirmed but has been online? Guys

A sound case.

VOTE: Almost50

[Hectic]

Is anyone interested in playing the tape, or shall I?

Go ahead! I'm excited to hear what it says. Though, if it's another prankster sending in a John Cena entrance, I might just quit The Force.

P.S: Can I interest anyone with some mushrooms?

[Hectic]

I had a listen to the tape. It's slightly... off putting, but I can't quite put my finger on why.

https://clyp.it/kw21dlet/widget

[Hectic]

So, what was the holdup, Almost50? Command & Control has been eagerly awaiting your arrival.

[Hectic]

Vote: Blake Belladonna

Vote: Blake Belladonna

Good field work out there, Battle Mage. Blake Belladonna, I believe Battle Mage may want you to notice him.

[Hectic]

The recorded switches off. Morning Tweet throws it to the ground.

That's valuable evidence, Morning Tweet! Careful with that.

Pick tape up and examine for fingerprints.

[Hectic]

i hope sonic is ok

Tails ditched me earlier. Not in a great mood.

I’d assume Detectic over here knows what he’s doing and would use gloves

Gamma Emerald is correct. You can literally see the gloves on my hands, civilians.

[Hectic]

The recorded switches off. Morning Tweet throws it to the ground.

That's valuable evidence, Morning Tweet! Careful with that.

Pick tape up and examine for fingerprints.

It self destructs in response.

Sigh, there goes my arm. Well, at least I have another one.

Cry.

[Hectic]

Also “self destruct” doesn’t mean an explosion, I think your arm is fine Detectic

Yeah, you're right. I was just reaction testing by hiding it behind my back. Frankly, I'm a little disappointed by the lack of concern for my well-being.

[Hectic]

I'm a little concerned that you felt the need to lie to us, Detectic

The Civil Lying Committee gave me the green light in this case. It's like when you're having dinner with your local Godfather and the

rat

(spoilered for those sensitive to the word) in your midst guns him down.

[Hectic]

It's complicated, Gamma Emerald. Let's just say there's certain bats here which have severe phobias of said [REDACTED].

I'm loving your character development so far. Unfortunately, that means your death will be all the more hard hitting later.

[Hectic]

Detective Snorlax here.

No one's died yet so we're probably all innocent. Jigsaw, we don't have all day, m8; get on with it. Just leave Gamma Emerald alone because he hasn't finished his story arc yet. You need to kill him at the right moment for peak feels.

Anyway, I'm going to

Rest

for now.

[Hectic]

Does anyone know where the plot went? I was hoping another tape would fall from the ceiling, but it seems the director's given us little to work with. We could maybe start a brawl, commit some GBHs, and see what happens from there?

I'm not lynching farside or a50 today no matter what. I want to see what happens with them.

Elaborate? For most it'd be the other way around.

[Hectic]

I found the plot!

As the tape recorder self-destructs, you look around. You are in a long, dark, rusted hallway. Behind you is darkness. In front of you lies a monstrous doorway. Do you enter?

Before considering entering the door, I shine my torch into the darkness behind me, taking care to look out for potential Venus Fly Traps.

[Hectic]

There could be a masons.

In this case, 21 players could break down like this:
3 masons in their hood
18 players remaining, 3 hoods with 6 players each

Why would you assume the 3 in your hood are

masons

? I'm assuming you haven't been told the alignments of your fellow characters in that hood. Why can't it just be a smaller neighbourhood of 3?

[Hectic]

So here's what I'm thinking:
1) It's not safe to massclaim our PTs
2) It's safe for someone to claim not to be in a PT, although they might be lying about it and we don't have the means to verify.
3) If you're in a PT, you should announce your presence to the PT participants. Otherwise, you are damaging town cohesion and would therefore most likely be scum.
4) As the game progresses, if we clean out 2 scum from a single PT, it's probable that the remaining are town.

I do agree with everything said here though. The Collision Enquiry Unit approves.

[Hectic]

You see nothing.
Feel nothing.
Know nothing.

This is unfortunate.

I push Morning Tweet and pisskop into the monstrous doorway. Also, I laugh.

[Hectic]

You're a bat, so you can use your echolocation in the dark. You'll be fineee.

[Hectic]

But you can fly out of any. You're kinda OP honestly.

[Hectic]

Then you'd be a very dead bat. I don't think the producers want to kill you off this early though. I think your death would be pretty emotional so it's probably lined up for around 2/3rds of the way through this game. You're basically bulletproof with this plot armour actually; we should make use out of it.

Wow, Gamma Emerald following Morning Tweet and pisskop in! I can't wait to see how this affects his journey and what backstory of his is revealed.

[Hectic]

No effect.

Seems my plan was foiled. Bats and snakes are pretty slippery tbf.

[Hectic]

What are you talking about, Elsa. I'm loving this flavour.

I wouldn't want to risk our protagonist Gamma Emerald getting injured, so I shall take the risk and

play the tape

.

[Hectic]

momo's 184 is incredible. That post from Morning Tweet is entirely NAI. Are reads like these common coming from momo? I've heard he has quite the reputation and would be considered a dark horse for this story.

[Hectic]

Hectic clicks the tape recorder on.

"Your obsessions have lead you to the inevitable. Murder, enacted in reality. I see a weakness within all of you. A weakness that can only be removed two ways. Death. Or murder. Make your Choice. I expect one amongst you to be dead before the timer runs out. If not, my Acolytes among you will do the job themselves. Give in your impulses! And you may have a chance to save yourselves...I will not communicate with you again until one amongst you has fallen, whether to blade, gun, or machine.

Live or die. Make your Choice!"

The recorder clicks off.

I don't buy it. I would trust everyone in this room with my life, and I have no reason to believe otherwise. Jigsaw's just trying to pit us all off against each other, guys.

Destroy the tape.

[Hectic]

Gamma Emerald
GeorgeBailey
GuiltyLion
momo
pisskop
Xtoxm
---
Elsa Jay
Almost50

For my own reference later.

[Hectic]

I'm in a PT with

Pine
momo - attack on the bat is so weird it's town, but depends on meta
Morning Tweet - maybe towny but might just be tone
Elsa Jay - awkward entrance, Bambi could be scum
Gamma Emerald - our savior and the protagonist of this story
VaultDweller
Vecna
iDanyboy - probably town
GeorgeBailey - GeorgeBailey
Drixx
davesaz - bit off
farside
Battle Mage - who knows with this guy
BBmolla
GuiltyLion - i will sheep GeorgeBailey
pisskop - natural and healthy
Albert B. Rampage - i reserve judgement for now
Almost50 - disliked joke response to my question, pointing out "crumb"
xtoxm - okay push on farside
Blake Belladonna - Hello.

[Hectic]

Ah, I get it, PT in this case means PUBLIC Thread.

Good one Hectic.

Thanks, Elsa. I can always count on you.

[Hectic]

I used to be called Jumpman... I always hated that name.

Also, I'm afraid of my place in this story. I want to be an end game survivor but what if I'm just one of those chumps that get killed off in the first trap?

[Hectic]

I'm really not liking this line of thought from Elsa Jay. This game is 16:5. We know that. It's mod-confirmed fact. This implies that there is one scum team and I agree with pk when he says at this point, it's almost irrelevant if there's a traitor. EJ is doing setup analysis, trying to appear as if he is contributing to town but it's through a series of posts that don't actually give town meaningful information. When one of the lines in the mod post is "confirmed 16 vs 5" there's no need to get into all of this.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

Are you aware of the fact that what Elsa is suggesting is allowed by the rules? He's suggesting the Acolytes are split into two PTs, and I think it's a fair thing to speculate about given the ratio of scum to town in this game.

For example, we could have two groups of Acolytes that alternate nightkills. They may know each other but not be able to communicate. A lot is possible here.

The Paperwork Command is asking me to lower you on my reads list.

[Hectic]

I dont think we should be making assumptions about hoods right now. But I really do agree that we should be posting in our hoods so that everyone else knows they are there.

I disagree. If hood membership is outed to hood members it should be outed to the whole roster. Assuming there is at least one mafia member in each hood the mafia will know the composition of the hoods as soon as players post in their hoods.

I have reason to believe this isn't a good idea at the moment. Standby, civilian.

[Hectic]

The ABR thing is straight forward, lots of times setup spec allows scum to post a lot without posting anything, IIOA

The Carriageway states setup spec is NAI on average. Why is it Acolyte-indicative coming from Albert?

[Hectic]

One of the departments back at The Force. They dealt with setup spec related matters.

[Hectic]

V/LA until the 24th.

Will catch up then.

Meanwhile, I want to see some good world-building and character development from the lot of you. I'm going to throw a fit if I return and I see plot holes and cliches everywhere. And for the love of God, NO cheap jumps scares. Leave the scares for the right moments, and pad it out with some juicy psychological horror.

I see Albert B. Rampage is attempting to take a lead role and keep us all calm in this calamity. Probably means he dies first which plunges us into even more despair. Classic Jigsaw.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

[Hectic]

But Elsa, I love you <3
520: Do you usually play more seriously as town or scum?

VOTE: Battle Mage

For his fake claim conversation with iDanyboy.

[Hectic]

Holding back on what you say sounds like a good way to look like scum when you're town. If you say whatever comes to mind, people will realise you're town because off meta when you do it in enough games I reckon.

Tell me about all of the weirdest thoughts you have right now that you're afraid of sharing. I'll grant you lynch immunity if it comes to it.

[Hectic]

I gotta go to work and the sun fucking sucks. My role sucks. I'm sad now. See you in 2 hours.

[Hectic]

Holding back on what you say sounds like a good way to look like scum when you're town. If you say whatever comes to mind, people will realise you're town because off meta when you do it in enough games I reckon.

This is the only viable way to play mafia! taking time and stressing over whether or not to post your thoughts cause you're afraid how they're received is zero fun

Hmm, that does sound pretty healthy and fun; maybe I should try that out sometime.

Anyway, back to my

Cave

. I hope there's no mausoleums inside.

[Hectic]

[Battle Mage, Elsa, Vecna, Drixx] I can all see reasons to dislike. Dany is town, GuiltyLion a townlean. Felt bad when Elsa called me out for always distrusting him so yeah, happy to start a wagon on one of the other 3.

[Hectic]

Drop me a vote on Vecna before you go and I will arrange a champion's feast to celebrate your return.

Fine. If you don't deliver on that, there

will

be consequences, Albert. Also, this is a death flag because it suggests you'll be dead by my return.

VOTE: Vecna

[Hectic]

Detective "Detectic" Detective here with a prodgity prodge.

I'm pleased to see there haven't been any murders yet, though, it does make for a somewhat slow pace to the story. Now, don't get me wrong; I'm not

encouraging

any killings, but I'm sure I could turn a blind eye if there was the occasional GBH or two to spice up the story.

See you all in a couple.

[Hectic]

Detective "Detectic" Detective here. Putting on a second monocle for this post.

302: Why hello there, Drixx. I don't use private PTs/notes. Everyone above the dashes were town in some capacity, everyone below was scum in some capacity.

310: Did you ever explain the gut scumread on Gamma, Guilty Lion? I thought he'd been pretty transparently town up till this point.

Yeah, Drixx not looking at the front page whether it was just a copy of the playerlist is kinda.....yikes

Yeah, Drixx not looking at the front page whether it was just a copy of the playerlist is kinda.....yikes

Ninja'd me here on my last post but this completely.

Why? Wouldn't scum!him have more reason to suspect it's a joke than town!him?

321, 322, and 323 are pretty bad world-building from Drixx though. You can't just go assuming everyone who disliked that is scum.

I'll split this up into watchtowers rather than posting one skyscraper.

[Hectic]

If you're a townie, you see Drixx open up about not knowing the player list in his PT on page 1, and you're not in any hood yourself and not curious at all about his post to comment on it...I find that suspicious.

Scumreads: Guilty Lion, Vecna, Xtoxm, BBmolla

3 have claimed not to be in a hood: A50, BBmolla, Xtoxm,

Guilty Lion

.

For sure there's scum outside the PTs. Probably 1 scum in each PT and 2 outside of it if there are 3 PTs. Statistically, our best bet is to lynch inside [A50, BBmolla, Xtoxm, Guilty Lion] today.

This is bad. You're drawing these conclusions out of thin air, Albert. There's nothing to suggest there's going to be 1 scum in each hood and 2 outside. Also 335.

I'm like 99.9% of the way to swapping my vote to Vecna at this point.

You should. BM is town.

GuiltyLion and davesaz could very well be bussing each other. In any case, we should concentrate our votes. Bring me a chair and rope.

Dislike this overconfidence. Though I might be confusing playstyle with scuminess.

Pedit - You'll find most of the reasoning in the readslist after that. Some of those were gut and I don't remember all the reasoning. Inquire about one if you're particularly interested in it. Also, why is this of interest to you?

[Hectic]

I guess I missed GL's claim he was in no hoods. However, my point still stands. Scum do have a PT of the own, thus can communicate privately. A Traffic analyst would get the liar(s) is any. Nit lynching anyone who claims not to be in a PT today.

Setup-speccing that there might be a traffic analyst in a game where 80%+ of people are in hoods is really strange.

Not A50. I like how he commented on how he loves his role

Why town-indicative, Morning? Are you assuming he prefers playing as town?

This is taking years. I'll skim through the rest and ISO the scummy people.

[Hectic]

Hey, Blake, can you give me an example of Dave reacting very poorly and creating a toxic gamestate while he was pushed as scum?

Almo, are 457 and 776, and 891 your reasons for wanting to lynch Elsa? A traitor crumb, foreshadowing that he's scum WHILE there's a wagon on him, and the fact his scumgame is stronger than his towngame?

.3.

Now that's one I haven't seen before. Some nice foreshadowing.

The Mass Spec Analytical has changed their minds on Vecna. He's pointed out things they found towny on more than one occasion.

Almost I'm starting to think your going out of your way to try and make the vigilante(s) waste a shot on me. Usually you've just left me alone day 1 and such because I'm "entertaining". I think your just trying to detract from the other potential wagons today.

This post doesn't really fill me with confidence regarding Elsa though. I mean, I agree that Almo is scummy, but the reasoning here is iffy.

VOTE: Almost50

[Hectic]

Please enlighten me, Albert dear!

[Hectic]

Splendid, I'll have the hand-crafted banderoles displaying welcome back Hectic on the mezzanine.

Where's my hand-crafted banderoles, Albert? Don't make me pull out a cliffhanger!

[Hectic]

Want to actually give some reasoning for this, Albert? You've gone from townreading me to mysteriously having a scumread as soon as I disliked some of your posts and started pushing Almo.

It's possible you're doing

that thing

here, but I'm no mind reader.

[Hectic]

Almo, don't you think that's far too blatant from Elsa? Joan's was far more subtle and still got her eventually lynched. You think he wouldn't be a little wary being in that game and seeing people including you push her heavily for that?

Honestly though, reading back on Elsa's posts, I still scumread him for feeling weird and off-tone; I just don't like the reasons you're using to scumread him for.

[Hectic]

You've gone from townreading me to mysteriously having a scumread as soon as I disliked some of your posts and started pushing Almo.

You disagreed with me in post 969 about something I said in post 329. I'm over it, Hectic... LOL

It was a catchup, why is that relevant to you scumreading me?

[Hectic]

I'm 99% certain that Hectic is scum. This is our lynch today. I can see you guys are having a hard time pushing a bandwagon beyond 3 votes, so I'll try to reduce my activity for the final 7 days until we can consolidate around Hectic.

Are you actually not kidding around here? Want to give some reasons? Though I do appreciate this plot progression, I'm sure the audience are on the edge of their seats.

[Hectic]

Honestly though, reading back on Elsa's posts, I still scumread him for feeling weird and off-tone; I just don't like the reasons you're using to scumread him for.

so do you think both of them are scum together or what?

I'm trying to chew on this thought process here - my initial gut reaction was that it seemed plainly disingenuous to push A50 while saying "I also scumread your main scum read, but just for different reasons", but then the more I thought about it the more I'm thinking scum probably doesn't make this up because it's so on the surface inconsistent?

can I get crowd opinions on this one? I'm entirely unsure how I feel about it

No, they're both independent reads. I don't team-solve day 1.

[Hectic]

Almo, is your Elsa read also based on meta? Has Elsa so blatantly crumbed like this before as scum?

[Hectic]

Ah, sorry, Almo, I didn't see that post. Will have a look now.

[Hectic]

I'm so confused right now! I really don't understand why it's unreasonable to be suspicious of two individuals, while one of them suspects the other.

[Hectic]

In that post that ABR quoted, it looks like Hectic shifts gears in the middle like he wanted the conclusion and had to find something to get there.

What do you mean? The post was made up of skimming through around 15 to 20 pages. I liked Vecna because of pointing out towny things I agreed with like expressing Blake was town for wanting to avoid a Dave toxic gamestate.

What was the weird shift?

[Hectic]

Hectic: wgy are you voting A50?

I disliked the way/reasons he was using to push Elsa. It felt agenda-driven and still kinda does. People seem to really disagree with me though lul

I think I can almost see the peak of my character arc!

Pedit: My protagonist and saviour! Lend me a hand here, Gamma.

[Hectic]

Unless this is a long drawn out reaction test, Albert is probably scum.

Solid townreads: Drixx, Morning Tweet
Townreads: BM, Hectic, momo
People I don't want to lynch Day 1: Farside, A50
Scumreads: Guilty Lion, Vecna, Xtoxm, BBmolla

XTOM, DAVE, BB, HECTIC, or BLAKE

Anyone here except Hectic works for me, can you rank them for me please?

Here's the list of players I will NOT lynch today: Pisskop, momo, drixx, BM, Hectic, MT, farside, EJ. I think today is a crapshoot as far lynching correctly because town is dysfunctional, and am mainly angling for Day 2 analysis. I need to get the building blocks of early, serious bandwagons that have a chance to tip over to a real lynch. Make of that what you will.

You don't just go from townreading someone and advocating not lynching them today (all of the above), to being "99%" sure they're scum. This is exactly the sort of false bravado and confidence scum like to exhibit, and sometimes gets them townread:

VOTE: Hectic

I'm not buying the a50 suspicion for one second LOL

The gig is up, Hectic, we know you're scum now!

*pulls the curtain to reveal the sign*

WELCOME, SCUM!

The jig is up you got caught.

Anyway, in other news, Hectic is scum.

You've gone from townreading me to mysteriously having a scumread as soon as I disliked some of your posts and started pushing Almo.

You disagreed with me in post 969 about something I said in post 329. I'm over it, Hectic... LOL

I'm 99% certain that Hectic is scum. This is our lynch today. I can see you guys are having a hard time pushing a bandwagon beyond 3 votes, so I'll try to reduce my activity for the final 7 days until we can consolidate around Hectic.

The post in question (971) that got him to scumread me were some disconnected thoughts I typed up from 20 pages of skimming. If his case is that I'm scum for suspecting Almo and Elsa who both suspect each other, he's pushing me for NAI reason that I've explained - I don't preflip solve and my reads are almost always independent - he disregards that reason and continues to push me without giving any reasoning.

Snapshots of earlier overconfidence I was pinged by:

I'm not lynching farside or a50 today no matter what. I want to see what happens with them.

I'm like 99.9% of the way to swapping my vote to Vecna at this point.

You should. BM is town.

Drixx, BM, momo, Morning Tweet and Pisskop are all town.

[Hectic]

ABR or hectic might be scum-- not sure there yet

i was promised something exciting, BM! unless i missed it

Do you see people's reasons for calling me an Acolyte? It sounds like cutting corners and poor storytelling to me!

[Hectic]

You don't just go from townreading someone and advocating not lynching them today (all of the above), to being "99%" sure they're scum. This is exactly the sort of false bravado and confidence scum like to exhibit, and sometimes gets them townread:

I disagree with this. Scum will try and keep their reads as consistent as possible to avoid suspicion, especially a player as active as ABR. It's hard to read ABR this game, but the fact that he was willing to make a noted change to his reads as the game progressed has to be counted as townpoints, def not scummy.

This isn't true as a blanket statement at all, and varies from player to player. Are you aware of Albert's meta? Regardless, you need to look at each instance independently, and see if the switch is justified. Does his flip look justified based on that post I made? I really don't see it at all. I only surround myself with grey flags; you wouldn't find a red flag within touching distance of me.

VOTE: Albert

I want to hear the case, Albert.

[Hectic]

You don't just go from townreading someone and advocating not lynching them today (all of the above), to being "99%" sure they're scum. This is exactly the sort of false bravado and confidence scum like to exhibit, and sometimes gets them townread:

I disagree with this. Scum will try and keep their reads as consistent as possible to avoid suspicion, especially a player as active as ABR. It's hard to read ABR this game, but the fact that he was willing to make a noted change to his reads as the game progressed has to be counted as townpoints, def not scummy.

This isn't true as a blanket statement at all, and varies from player to player. Are you aware of Albert's meta? Regardless, you need to look at each instance independently, and see if the switch is justified. Does his flip look justified based on that post I made? I really don't see it at all. I only surround myself with grey flags; you wouldn't find a red flag within touching distance of me.

VOTE: Albert

I want to hear the case, Albert.

This makes no sense.
If you think he is scum you should explain why.

In other news bm is warming my heart.
VOTE: xtoxm

I did. There's probably some bias in it but I've seen this sort of overblown confidence come more often from scum than town. Though actually, the fact Dany and Dave seem to see the same thing he does but not explain means maybe I am just blind to what I've done wrong,

or

they're lazing sheeping his confidence. OR they're scummily sheeping him and one of the other wagons is scum.

[Hectic]

Then again, I still get the feeling everyone in on some inside joke that I'm not aware of yet. Is this the part of the movie where I think I'm at a party hitting a pinata, but then it's revealed I'm on hallucigons and actually macheting a corpse? That's pretty morbid, Jigsaw.

[Hectic]

Then again, I still get the feeling everyone in on some inside joke that I'm not aware of yet. Is this the part of the movie where I think I'm at a party hitting a pinata, but then it's revealed I'm on hallucigons and actually macheting a corpse? That's pretty morbid, Jigsaw.

I don't see whatever it is they see, but your paranoia about it does smell pooey.

Why? I know I'm not an Acolyte so of course I'm paranoid of whatever this mystery reason is and whether it actually even exists.

[Hectic]

Then again, I still get the feeling everyone in on some inside joke that I'm not aware of yet. Is this the part of the movie where I think I'm at a party hitting a pinata, but then it's revealed I'm on hallucigons and actually macheting a corpse? That's pretty morbid, Jigsaw.

It's a bit old school, but ABR is pushing for reactions from what I can tell. I get the impression he is seeing how players react to each wagon and how they vote and what comes from it.
I haven't seen him do it (maybe a long time ago). The ABR I knew last time did a lot of lurking.

On a similar note, can someone walk me through the BM wagon?

Gut/slimmy feeling when i see him buddy up to tweet.
I have a weird reason as well that I'd rather not explain.

Farside, I would really like to know this weird reason please. Thanks!

You are being way to nice and it is really making me think you are trying to please people. I remember you being more antagonistic in the past and this BM is someone I don't recognize. it gives me the hebbie jebbies.

Sigh, I guess we'll find out. I'm actually gonna go back on Elsa for now. Want him to come back and wow us.

Battle Mage being really friendly is completely NAI nowadays btw. He just has that star quality about him now. Would be the protagonist if Gamma didn't exist.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

[Hectic]

ABR or hectic might be scum-- not sure there yet

i was promised something exciting, BM! unless i missed it

Do you see people's reasons for calling me an Acolyte? It sounds like cutting corners and poor storytelling to me!

Morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Hectic]

Sigh, I guess we'll find out. I'm actually gonna go back on Elsa for now. Want him to come back and wow us.

Battle Mage being really friendly is completely NAI nowadays btw. He just has that star quality about him now. Would be the protagonist if Gamma didn't exist.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

I have no idea what you mean above. Please explain, preferably with reference to any games of mine you have been in, or read? Otherwise I may vote you for outright making stuff up.

It's on an alt. Can't say more

[Hectic]

Sigh, I guess we'll find out. I'm actually gonna go back on Elsa for now. Want him to come back and wow us.

Battle Mage being really friendly is completely NAI nowadays btw. He just has that star quality about him now. Would be the protagonist if Gamma didn't exist.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

I have no idea what you mean above. Please explain, preferably with reference to any games of mine you have been in, or read? Otherwise I may vote you for outright making stuff up.

It's on an alt. Can't say more

You are allowed to say who your alts are...

Does anyone else know who Hectic's alts are?

I don't want to out them. You can just take my word for playing with you on an alt and metaing you in said game, and seeing you're acting like this in all your games right now.

[Hectic]

Hectic - if you're town, quit fooling around and vote Momo, or at least discuss his play to date, and my comments on Pisskop.

I'll go have a look at him now!

[Hectic]

I'm in a PT with

Pine
momo - attack on the bat is so weird it's town, but depends on meta
Morning Tweet - maybe towny but might just be tone
Elsa Jay - awkward entrance, Bambi could be scum
Gamma Emerald - our savior and the protagonist of this story
VaultDweller
Vecna
iDanyboy - probably town
GeorgeBailey - GeorgeBailey
Drixx
davesaz - bit off
farside
Battle Mage - who knows with this guy
BBmolla
GuiltyLion - i will sheep GeorgeBailey
pisskop - natural and healthy
Albert B. Rampage - i reserve judgement for now
Almost50 - disliked joke response to my question, pointing out "crumb"
xtoxm - okay push on farside
Blake Belladonna - Hello.

Battle Mage, hence my "who knows with his guy" early on.

[Hectic]

Our intermittent side-character, Momo:

157 - Setup spec. NAI.
184 - Completely bizarre. Initially thought it was too out there to be scum, but then reconsidered that he could be aware of that, and the calculated way he pushes it makes it a little more scummy.
214 - I thought these questions were pretty reasonable.
221 - Changes his mind about Morning. Can come from scum or town. If he's scum, I don't think he intended to actually push Morning and accumulate votes, but get townread for the push, so this is probably NAI.
263 - Feels really political in a way, and seems to over-justify himself in scumreading Elsa Jay. Kinda scummy.
270 - Over justifies his reasoning for voting Elsa Jay, explaining philosophy of furthering the gamestate during Day 1. I mean, I don't disagree, but the roundabout way he explains his thought process and tries to keep his posts as airtight as possible does seem scummy, like he's afraid of leaving any cracks open.
324 - Disagree with reasoning voting Dany.
676 - Votes/pushes me while I'm V/LA and unable to contribute.
1099 - Pops in to disagree with me on a holistic take on how scum act in certain situations. It's safe to comment on and puts no focus on the wagon on me or Albert's push on me, despite being the first to actually scumread/vote me for entirely different reasons.

I'm fine with voting here for now. I have problems with the tone too, but I'm entirely unsure if that's a playstyle thing.

VOTE: momo

[Hectic]

Hectic, the point really is, your meta on me is wrong. like completely, factually inaccurate. So I don't understand how that could have come to pass, although understanding who your alt is might give me more of a sense of whether you are being honest in your view or not. And obviously it would help with reading you in general.

And respectfully, I think you need all the help you can get at the moment.

I mean, I appreciate that, but I'm not outing my alt for this game. Also, the other game is ongoing so I technically shouldn't have brought it up in the first place. Bit of a plot hole there.

[Hectic]

184 - Completely bizarre. Initially thought it was too out there to be scum, but then reconsidered that he could be aware of that, and the calculated way he pushes it makes it a little more scummy.

Genuine question. Earlier in this game, you called ABR scummy for going from townreading you to placing a vote on you.

You've now done the exact same thing to me.

Is it not scummy when you do it? Or were just using that as an excuse to get a wagon on ABR,

This is why my vote is on Hectic guys.

Why do you need to emphasise this with "genuine question"; are your other questions not genuine?

momo's 184 is incredible. That post from Morning Tweet is entirely NAI. Are reads like these common coming from momo? I've heard he has quite the reputation and would be considered a dark horse for this story.

momo - attack on the bat is so weird it's town, but depends on meta

Are you aware of the fact that what Elsa is suggesting is allowed by the rules? He's suggesting the Acolytes are split into two PTs, and I think it's a fair thing to speculate about given the ratio of scum to town in this game.

For example, we could have two groups of Acolytes that alternate nightkills. They may know each other but not be able to communicate. A lot is possible here.

The Paperwork Command is asking me to lower you on my reads list.

This is my progression on you earlier; I was always unsure about you. The basis of my worsened read on you now is from looking through your whole ISO. You're just the right amount of a supporting character that you're rarely in the spotlight while avoiding suspicion, so that the reveal still surprises us. You make a perfect Acolyte.

[Hectic]

momo, I said that particularly play from you was essentially "too scummy to be scum", but it could just be scum. Albert said his OVERALL read on me was town multiple times, and is now 99% sure I'm scum. That's completely different from the situation you're trying to call me out for. I'm not concrete on you being scum, but I find you scummy enough to vote/push.

[A Spotted Sloth shaking his head]

[Hectic]

Hectic *could* be scum, but that's only because i dont have a townread on him, not for anything specifically. id ask for someone to explain it to me, but im going to reread for myself first. there better be something more than ABR saying "HECTIC CONFIRM SCUM"

As far as I can tell, that is pretty much it lol. I don't think I've ever been more confused about why exactly I'm being wagoned.

Elsa's vote is really bad. It's like when the cinematographer decides to put the lights in front of the cameras. Elsa, any reasoning?

[Hectic]

[A Cactus on a skateboard serving around several bear traps]

[Hectic]

*swerving

[Hectic]

Yeah, that's the tone thing I found scummy but struggled to articulate earlier.

[A labrador retriever riding a unicycle]

[Hectic]

Detective Detetic Detective here, slightly befuddled.

I'm confused by the nonchalant and apathetic way people are voting me. They can't have been convinced by something either since there's no case out there for why I'm scum. Some of them have got to be scum. Is Jigsaw railroading me here? I thought he had better plot devices than that.

When should I be thinking about claiming?

[A Yellow House painted Blue]

[Hectic]

Elsa, why are you voting me?

[Hectic]

Sigh, how many votes am I on? Don't hammer before I have a chance to claim.

[A TV Cable Repair Man giving into streaming services]

[Hectic]

Alright, whatever, I'm claiming:

I'm Detective Halloran, a Police X-shot Sleuth.

X amount of times, I can investigate someone at night to see if they're an

Acolyte

, but I can't detect Jigsaw himself with my check.

I've been crumbing it all game with my RP.

[Hectic]

The way Albert has played this day out is incredibly scummy. He's said I'm 99% scum but has refused to write the case on me or give resasons because "it's better if I let people see it themselves", essentially meaning no discussion can be had about

why

I'm scum, and the game can't be progressed.

[Hectic]

The gig is up, Hectic, we know you're scum now!

*pulls the curtain to reveal the sign*

WELCOME, SCUM!

The jig is up you got caught.

Anyway, in other news, Hectic is scum.

You've gone from townreading me to mysteriously having a scumread as soon as I disliked some of your posts and started pushing Almo.

You disagreed with me in post 969 about something I said in post 329. I'm over it, Hectic... LOL

I'm 99% certain that Hectic is scum. This is our lynch today. I can see you guys are having a hard time pushing a bandwagon beyond 3 votes, so I'll try to reduce my activity for the final 7 days until we can consolidate around Hectic.

Hectic's posts in the last 24 hours guarantee he is scum. His thought progression simply makes no sense unless he is scum.

How is it that the only one picking up on Hectic claiming scum is GL?

I really HATE to explain myself unless we will lose if I don't. It's much better for me to give a few hints and then solve the rest of the game based on reactions. If in a few real life days nobody has figured out why Hectic is scum, I will write the case myself.

Or we could always give him a pass and try to lynch his teammates to give scum a fighting chance, because they are royally screwed in this game.

This Hectic wagon is ass.

nobody cares about your claim.

Im not joining the hectic wagon

I know, farside. You are the other scum. I saw it coming.

I'm pretty sure this is a reaction test by ABR and if not I'm concerned lmao

No it's genuine. All my other reads are cleared.

Farside/Hectic is 2/5 the scumteam and I have 3 to go.

"Why else would we not know our hoodmates?"

This post of pisskop is entirely consistent with him not being in a hood. Pisskop is either lying consistently or is town.

You should look at Hectic AGAIN.

meh

VOTE: pine

Posts like this make pisskop look scummy. He needs to join the HECTIC WINWAGON.

farside is scum guys

Doesn't matter, vote Hectic.

Sigh, how many votes am I on? Don't hammer before I have a chance to claim.

[A TV Cable Repair Man giving into streaming services]

Given how close we are to deadline, it's time you consider your options.

I can see a world where Momo is town and I can see a world where Hectic is scum but I'm feeling Momo over Hectic unless ABR has an especially compelling point on something I'm not seeing

Stay active, we will need you to finish off Hectic as the clock ticks to midnight.

Seriously, in what world is this town?

He's been memeposting "hEcTiC iS sCuM" and that's literally it the past few days.

[Hectic]

VOTE: momo

Good thing I left myself some wiggle room with that 1%.

No, I still want to hear why you found that original post so scummy.

[Hectic]

It's moot now. I think momo/vecna/blake makes sense.

Someone needs to vig this please.

[Hectic]

BM, Pine, momo and I are in a hood. We believe momo is the scum. I was going to run Hectic up to L-1 to see who was eager to save momo and then shift onto momo last minute for the day 1 lynch.

...if someone was eager to save momo, they'd hammer me on L-1? And then you wouldn't get your scum lynch?

Battle Mage, please tell me about what's been going on in his hood.

[Hectic]

Wow, spoilers, Elsa.

Also, you're scum with momo, right?

[Hectic]

BM, Pine, momo and I are in a hood. We believe momo is the scum. I was going to run Hectic up to L-1 to see who was eager to save momo and then shift onto momo last minute for the day 1 lynch.

...if someone was eager to save momo, they'd hammer me on L-1? And then you wouldn't get your scum lynch?

Battle Mage, please tell me about what's been going on in his hood.

Point is, there could be a lolhammer from town as well, and then you've lynched town, not lynched scum, and you have this hammerer that

could

be scum saving momo, or could just be loltown.

[Hectic]

I have faith in SirCakez' ability to write a good storyline. A hero will come to my rescue. I believe.

I'm not taking it personally regardless of your alignment, Albert; I'm just still a little baffled by the play and somewhat struggle to see it coming from town.

If momo flips scum, it makes you look better because of the hood. Otherwise, I can definitely see what you've done here as coming from scum as an act of performance/false bravado to get people to wagon a townie, and defuse pressure from other potential scum wagons at the time.

[Hectic]

Hectic is a bad wagon because of votes like these. No reasoning behind them, other than it's a good wagon.

Keep reading, it comes out as you go.

Let's hear what you saw then, Dave, now that we know the case doesn't actually exist. There's not going to be any continuity errors on my watch.

[Hectic]

Alright, whatever, I'm claiming:

I'm Detective Halloran, a Police X-shot Sleuth.

X amount of times, I can investigate someone at night to see if they're an

Acolyte

, but I can't detect Jigsaw himself with my check.

I've been crumbing it all game with my RP.

Then why the fuck did you FoS me for pointing your OBVIOUS crumb out? You made me feel like I misinterpreted something and that it wasn't a crumb.

VOTE: momo

Because why were you pointing a potential cop crumb out?

[Constable with 4 hats]

[Hectic]

L-1! We're at the season finale here. Who wants to finish the job on momo?

[A torch drenched in Red Paint]

[Hectic]

OBJECTION

[Hectic]

Actually, I was going to unvote so that I could be the hammer but I'm kind of afraid of some scum trap that kills the hammerer, so I'll let you have the honour.

[Hectic]

Thank you for modding, SirCakez! The flavour and mechanics were truly remarkable.