PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf (Game Over)

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Yo.

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Okay, I'll go read now.

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VOTE: Double the trouble

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Hi Snoopy

Hey there.

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Oh.

okay.

VOTE: Flavor leaf
Scumz, get him.

Also hi Flavorleaf, what's your favorite color? Is it red, it's red isn't it. You can tell me.

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Uh, i find it really unlikely that Flavor would draft Noraa btw.

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Uh, i find it really unlikely that Flavor would draft Noraa btw.

Why?

reasons.

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What's it like living as a stump?

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I'm green with envy at your town stumpiness Pooky.
It's my favorite role.

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You're doing good so far since you didn't pick me flavor, way to get on my good side.

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VOTE: Nk 15

donk.

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I have a strong knowledge, not even idea, of everyone's scum game in this game except for Pichu's.

wait, wait, wait, did you meta people?

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Also, hey Noraa.



Where's your hydra?

@Dunstral, is this gunna be a thing again?

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@Dunstral, is this gunna be a thing again?

What are you talking about?

It's RVS dunn, let me play. You don't need to point at every post I make and step on it before the paint is even dry.

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@Dunstral, is this gunna be a thing again?

What are you talking about?

It's RVS dunn, let me play. You don't need to point at every post I make and step on it before the paint is even dry.

I forget, do I have a history of doing this to you? Otherwise, what are you on about

Yeah, during Xenoblade 2 I was grilling Noraa remember?

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Actually, didn't Flavorleaf spot Noraa in like 0.02 seconds when she was scum in xeno.

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It's not really a guess. The chances he picked Noraa are remote.
I'm just adding to it.

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Whelp Noraa's town.
That wasn't hard tho.

15 to go.

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me is on page 3 and me is bored. no more reading. too boring. Someone talk to me!!!!

Hi town Noraa! Wanna be friends?

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me is on page 3 and me is bored. no more reading. too boring. Someone talk to me!!!!

Hi town Noraa! Wanna be friends?

hmm lemme review ur application.
dog prfpc
check!
sunglasses
check!
lots of colors
check!
voted Noraa in the last game?
*squints*
*GASP*
*rejects the application immediately*

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pedit: Yeah okay, we're getting into a party pooper versus party lovers derail.
In the shortest amount possible. We all have our own styles and ways of having fun. So let's just control our own responses to things, because that's the only thing we can control yeah
P

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Do you think Spiffeh found all the scum yet.

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Actually, it makes perfect sense.

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I'd thought I'd have to hard defend her and then she basically got swapped with another human being and is so obviously not scum this game that whatever doubt I might have had kind of died right there (well, not all of the doubt, let's be real) lol.

It was sort of to support my point through theatrics.

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For any solves to be legal everybody must first post at least (

>

) once (1nce) for plausible deniability if it turns out Murderkitty is a sage.

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Okay,
the last five pages.
Gold.

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I think I'm a fan of you as well. <3.
How you doin this fine evening?

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Is scum theatre ever actually scum threatre tho.
I feel like I asked this q in death curse and totally forgot what the answer was.

Though yeah, I'm slooowly reaching the reluctant conclusion that I can't read Ydrasse.

Putting her down with the Bulge in my list.

Titus and Shelly I think graduated, barely. Maybe.

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That's fantastic. My spirits are rising with your t0xic posting style.
Sadly, I have no fucking clue how to read it. I shall get you sorted though Pichu.

How do you usually get sorted?

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So, as scum you don't control the game any and tend to get poe'd down the road due to a lack of motivation when a good town fails to eat itself?

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So, as scum you don't control the game any and tend to get poe'd down the road due to a lack of motivation when a good town fails to eat itself?

Dance game projection.
Question still

stands

tho

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I agree with Pichu

Ircher does sound very bad

I wanna vote Ircher, Creature, Nk15.

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His first post was an active lurk post, lol.

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sigh, here we go.

*gets out a table*
Go for it. Lay out why Noraa is scum for her posts and I'll hear you out.

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Mastina,
the only experience I have with you reading Flavor was that weird third party game. When you mis-eliminated him.

@Murdercat, yeah. It seems like we both roled town this game which makes me happy.

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lol. fuck off flavor.
I'm starting to realize I'm trying to read into your posts and that's just a mistake.
I wish you weren't so entertaining and funny though. *sigh* it would be easier to ignore them if that were the case.

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V/la over weekends.

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They have a 5 day work week of mafia and then 2 days over the weekend to relax and not think about work.

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Solstice is hardly the worst poster when it comes to draft speculation. Though, I'd prefer something more tangible to work with, I only brought Noraa up because I felt the read was safe from a draft spec perspective. But everybody is fair game from my pov. Cept Pooky. Guy's scum this game. I can feel it.

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everybody else*

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@Murdercat, yeah. It seems like we both roled town this game which makes me happy.

We don't need Pooky, the two of us will solve the game

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I have no super secret scum reads.

Just minor scum reads. 1, maybe 2 good town reads and a bunch of meh town reads.

Someone town it up somemmore.

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@Pichu, give me a scum to think about?

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Morning Tweet isn't LHF. Wut /:

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Isn't the natural instinctive reaction to BM annoyance and a vote.

I felt like Norwe had kinship with BM and always getting voted and that's why they seemed on good terms or at least, my fan fiction team is furiously drafting that story in my head as to how they know each other and why they like each other.

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You think she'll keep posting like this if she's scum or town and gets pushed

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No, that's the first instinct.
My first run in was very negative with him too.
You were there.

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I think Mastina and I just don't think about people in the same way.
Maybe she deserves that self-confidence because she's played mafia for so long. I haven't played for nearly that long but her understanding and opinions always just kind of ping me as not making sense about people and my own impressions of them.

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Easy bake cake.
What you doin.

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The size of Ircher's posts versus the content and quality of the conclusions felt super lackluster to me.

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I dunno, but I just believed him because that's what you do when someone says they're v/la this weekend.

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Also, Hello MT and Ydrasse. Sorry for not immediately saying hi it slipped my mind.

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Ydrasse do u have scumgames and towngames I can read

I don't think I've ever seen either of you ask for meta before.

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VOTE: Easybake

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Do you prefer town or scum misty?

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I feel stuck.

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@Netflix and Chill.

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What's Ircher at?

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VOTE: Ircher

k.

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e-3 give or take 1.

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Bell please talk to me

If I say anything about it it's ev-.

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Creature, there comes a time when whining isn't gunna get you anything.
That time was always.

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Bell please talk to me

If I say anything about it it's ev-.

ok but I'm having trouble sorting you so like
throw me a bone
give me something
please

I wanted to push creature or Cakez to claim before Pooky came up from on high to narrow the pool to 4 people. Shouldn't say this, saying it anyway.

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You know what I meant.

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Who was I voting last.

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Oh, he doesn't actually have cake in his name.
I was talking about dr. Easy bake.

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Share with me where the quality of my posting and hunting fell.

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You appear to agree with me on Bake, I already explained N15 vote in a different post and they haven't posted anything significant since then.
Creature was pressure. He has posted a take but still seems stuck on complaining on Noraa which is tired, at least he agreed they're prolly town.

Also, your position on Noraa and Gloria is genuinely gross.

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He always quote walls I think.
He's really playing poorly if he's town this game tho.
He pretty much picked the easiest players to TR.

Called me out for voting sir easy bake when Dunstral did the exact same thing. His focus and what he chooses to comment on aren't town POV. Imo.

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^

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VOTE: MURDERCAT
Many of the recent posts I've read from IRCHER are awful, and I haven't really been comfortable with his slot all game.

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Birthday today, will post tmrw, have a good one.

[Bell]

Hey, sorry.
Job interview early morning tmrw. Can't focus on this rn.

Imo, Ircher's still being surface townie if you look at his reasoning for pushing against the POE pool. It's the sort of thing I'd pull if I were scum for easy town points.

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I got the job I think.

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Why are we wagobing this person

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VOTE: BM

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I helped.

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Why are we wagobing this person

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Sorry, being a goof.

I saw something about bonding and drinks and Facebooking and trust telling, but not trust telling because that would be trust telling. Lots of involvement. Lots of you will regret this *shakes fist* by BM at Mastina. mmm.
It's probably a better vote than Solstice though from my POV and with my limited experience with MT, this isn't really the MT I know. Which Mastina pointed out. But it's not necessarily a scummy MT.

Why were people voting Solstice.

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Ah, shifted wagon and not close to deadline.
Mena is shaking his head at all of us RN.

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Now that I think about it, isn't it a good thing that that solstice is getting pressure so I can read them.

@MC, thanks. It has been a real pain. Hopefully nothing goes wrong.

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Just fyi, if I ever have a daughter I will swear on her life that I'm town everygame.
This may be why I'll never have a daughter.

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^ This is partially why Ircher isn't townie for his chaffing against the rails.
When conf town make decisions it's not natural to just assume they're dumb and are making dumb choices. Rather, it's bad faith posting.

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This is a really shitty mindset to have but whatever.

perspective slip

No, bad murderkitty. Bad.

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This is a really shitty mindset to have but whatever.

perspective slip

No, bad murderkitty. Bad.

It is though

it's not tho. It never is.

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That post looks remarkably familiar.
@BM.

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That post looks remarkably familiar.
@BM.

are you literally voting me coz NC told you to? We're 100 pages deep dude, gimme something.

If someone specifically asks me to sheep and i’m Tring them I usually do it.
105 pages day 1. Would prefer ircher over you i’ve been out of this game for like 4 days. There’s a lot of crap to go through. I’m good.

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‘Sorry, I should have lied.
Actually i’m Scum reading you.
Because mastina’s case was super convincing.

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Np.
Sorry.

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Okay, what.

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fuck it.

VOTE: Murdercat

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Good morning villagers

good morning fellow human. Beep.

@Murdercat, they're not scum. I read your old argument, I read their posts. I've read their reactions to pressure. Scum emulate their own town games and their own response to pressure because it's like what they normally would do. You pushing at Noraa town is scummy asf.

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Or at the least is going to drive us off a cliff and into a loss.

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@Spiffeh, why creature?

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I read the older one.
Not the newer one, but I imagine they're similar in content.

If Noraa isn't scum who is scum?

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You pushing at Noraa

town

is scummy asf.

why is it scummy?

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I've seen enough of how Noraa reacts tyvm.

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Yes, that is a good reason to stop and reexamine our assumptions.
What's your point?

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What do you think of Murder's case on Panda? @ Spiffeh.

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I meant the polar bear.

@Murder, the older case where you were pushing Noraa scum it's segmented into a bunch of different posts.

@What do you find interesting about it fellow human?

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He played with her in a different game where he saw way more of Noraa than you in that game Spiffeh, lol.

We both did and yet we're coming to the exact opposite conclusions.

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Tbf, yes. He's been super townie otherwise and familiar with me in a way that I would expect from him as town.
I'm not going to ignore this cliff drive as being something other than it is tho.

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Do I really have to go and get the posts where you said Noraa was scum yesterday.
What will that do?

@Solstice did you just shade me and vote somebody else?

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hello i have had a very busy week and have not caught up with thread but mt has been helping me sort of keep up

bell, do you think there's a distinct difference in how MC read noraa in the other game as opposed to this one? not in terms of conclusion but in terms of process

~mist

Yes, now that I think about it, the process is different here. But he was more laid back there the context to this game is different so I would expect a different method. For example, Murder just try harded and I don't think I saw a single try hard case in our last game together.

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For god's sake man, the BM mislynch could've been pretty preventable had I had the time to prevent it.

Holy crap.

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I don't think I saw a single try hard case in our last game together.

I know you know I've done this as town
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12212814

I never got around to meta'ing you, so no, I don't. Also, is this really a try hard case. Compared to this one I mean.

Just because you didn't say you had a case on Noraa doesn't mean you didn't line it up in a bunch of posts to swing at it today.

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fuck it.

VOTE: Murdercat

Horrid vote

Cool.

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I don't think I saw a single try hard case in our last game together.

I know you know I've done this as town
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12212814

I never got around to meta'ing you, so no, I don't. Also, is that* really a try hard case. Compared to this one I mean.

Just because you didn't say you had a case on Noraa doesn't mean you didn't line it up in a bunch of posts to swing at it today.

fixed.

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They're here, they're interspersed with Morning's post.

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Bro, you just linked me to a game where you made a single paragraph case and then tried to compare it to the one you just made.

They're totally different. *psyduck*

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Creature, are you cheerleading?

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He slow rolled his read of noraa to today. It's like watching someone preparing for the batting box in the deck circle. He's lining it up.
You could argue it's trejectory instead but iso him halfway at the end of the day and tell me you don't see it.

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hello i have had a very busy week and have not caught up with thread but mt has been helping me sort of keep up

bell, do you think there's a distinct difference in how MC read noraa in the other game as opposed to this one? not in terms of conclusion but in terms of process

~mist

Yes, now that I think about it, the process is different here. But he was more laid back there the context to this game is different so I would expect a different method. For example, Murder just try harded and I don't think I saw a single try hard case in our last game together.

so if you're expecting a different method do you still think it's scummy?

~mist

Yes.

pedit: betelgeuse.

[Bell]

Couldn't sleep at all last night. did anyone have questions?

Yes, Pichu is very scummy, don't ask me why. I'm excited to see his grand case that will no doubt top the last grand case presented and the one before that as well.

Could we not and just talk about it instead.

[Bell]

Extremely. The scummiest.
Just look at that avatar.
That is the face of a born killer.

[Bell]

Cool, thank you. I'm all for grand cases, it's just like, I've been burned by them a bunch.
The only grand cases that ever seem accurate are my grand cases.
and only in elo and like 50 hours of work put into them. And even then, I'm pretty sure that it's just statistical noise.

I can't engage with Murder's case because I can't make the point I want to make because of ongoing. the end.
It's better than grand case meta 4 l4d.

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I'm convinced.

VOTE: Spiffeh

[Bell]

You need to take the vote out of the spoiler tags if you want it to count tho.
But you're a mod so you should know that better than I.

[Bell]

How come there's a little lag in your posts Pichu?
It's not scummy, but I feel like you post to a different rhythm and it's kind of disorienting.

[Bell]

The timing is just different, I'm probably just insane. Don't worry about it.

[Bell]

It's pattern recognition. People have different rhythms to their day, frequencies to their posts. Times of activity and inactivity.

Sometimes you reply super fast, other times when I post 3 minutes after you and expect a reply I don't get anything for around 10-15 minutes which is unusual in Bell world. Where if somebody doesn't reply within 10 minutes they're probably not going to reply for 3-4 hours at least.

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Hi, everybody not Pichu or double, why are you scum reading me?

[Bell]

@Solstice, why are you scum reading me?
@Creature why are you scum reading me?

[Bell]

@Ircher, why are you scum reading me?

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[Who do you think was Flavour's first draft pick though? Open question to anyone who has an opinion on that. I feel as if I'm falling into the usual trap of having lower posters (DEB, Toog, Creature) at the bottom. Is Spiffeh a known (or a lesser known) good scum player?]

spiffeh was the 2017 paragon so probably has a good scumgame by default
i think mastina/Dunnstral/Spiffeh are top tier picks
Trouble/Solstice/Bell in the tier below
i don't know why we're discussing picks again but it's always fun so i don't mind

Why in the world do you think I'd be a good scum draft pick.

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@Creature why are you scum reading me?

You look unhappy with the game enough to feel like you've been drafted scum here.

Uh, wouldn't I be happy with the game state here.

[Bell]

Hi, everybody not Pichu or double, why are you scum reading me?

[Let's talk abt Murder instead !!]

[Does my 2881 do anything for your read on him? The main thing I'm curious about is your point that he "slow rolled" his read of Noraabear into today's case -- and why you've interpreted his progression on her as scummy rather than just NAI]

[pedit: I BROUIGJT UP PICKS because my PoE was starting to be bad and I wanted to figure who the most likely deepwolf outside of my PoE is scum cause given the nature of the draft system I assume there is one.]

[Like I was considering mastina but it doesnt really feel right]

[pedit again: I'll get there Bell i swear (although I could link to you my take on pichu's case at least)]

~Morning

Uh, I'm not gunna engage with Pichu's case on me it's the same forest fire shit and I know exactly what I'd say and what he'd say and do in response to every cherry pick, wrong take, pointed out to him etc.

[Bell]

Which is to say nothing usful, once he's tunneled that's it.
It's a waste of time to engage.

[Bell]

Lol, you think I did good in the dance game.

[Bell]

Literally because regardless of my alignment this game, she's town dude.
Not my fault you made a huge wrong case about it.

[Bell]

Which is to say nothing usful, once he's tunneled that's it.
It's a waste of time to engage.

not true at all
at the end of forest fire i was not voting for you
this is also very different to your reaction in forest fire
you're jumping straight to aggro and AtE rather than trying to engage with me

No, this is absolutely true your vote didn't move your reasons didn't move.
Everyone else moved. You stuck there and you said as much in that game and that that's just how you operate.
I'm not even AtEing you.
Show me where I'm aggroing you

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@Creature why are you scum reading me?

You look unhappy with the game enough to feel like you've been drafted scum here.

Uh, wouldn't I be happy with the game state here.

Scumpost.

- Norwee

Sure, you can explain this.

[Bell]

No, it's ongoing game information it's valid evidence I can't present until that game ends. See if I said that though, you'd just ignore it which is why I didn't bother but if you're gunna keep repeating untrue statements I suppose I can go through the motions.

[Bell]

You didn't push me. I spent upwards of 8 hours telling you to your face what the truth was and it didn't matter. Call it AtE or what not. But the facts are the facts and you saying you weren't voting me in that at the end of day is just massaging your own play to look better in hindsight as a form of ego protection.

[Bell]

I simply wanted the game to slow down and readjust and was very sick of the Noraa takes. My read on murdercat is simply conflicted, it serves little purpose for me to town read Murdercat and buddy up to him only to turn around and slap a vote on him day 2 because he voted somebody I didn't like him voting. He slow rolled it, I felt it odd, felt it bad because I was looking at probable town Noraa and seeing somebody push at probable town when we just lost 3 town. That's my actual perspective. you can take it. You can leave it.

[Bell]

You didn't push me. I spent upwards of 8 hours telling you to your face what the truth was and it didn't matter. Call it AtE or what not. But the facts are the facts and you saying you weren't voting me in that at the end of day is just massaging your own play to look better in hindsight as a form of ego protection.

lol i don't think you say something like this as town Bell
really playing up the AtE and have no intention to dispute why i think you're scum huh?
ftr i forgot and thought i switched to S_S at the end but was mistaken

It's cool, I have a good memory for bullshit.
I just don't want to focus on it for my sanity, yes.

[Bell]

I'm sure Pooky will be around to back you up soon, so I'm not going to respond further to this until he forces me to.

@doublethetrouble: Funnily enough I was just thinking about that, while thinking about something else. Did you notice his narrative around the day and his opinion of it is kind of skewed where he's saying he wants to hear new things, but isn't really?

[Bell]

Yeah i'm pretty certain this is town!Hectic now, don't let anyone tell y'all otherwise.
I don't think scum!them can activate or fake excitement like this when they think they are on to something?

- Norwee

[I was leaning that way, yeah.]

[In a sort of related tangent, I feel Ydrasse confirm biasing Bell as scum looked good for her. I guess you could argue she's scum that knows he's scum so that's why she'd do that, but I dont think so, it felt real to me]

~Morning

You were leaning that way?

[Bell]

I simply wanted the game to slow down and readjust and was very sick of the Noraa takes. My read on murdercat is simply conflicted, it serves little purpose for me to town read Murdercat and buddy up to him only to turn around and slap a vote on him day 2 because he voted somebody I didn't like him voting. He slow rolled it, I felt it odd, felt it bad because I was looking at probable town Noraa and seeing somebody push at probable town when we just lost 3 town. That's my actual perspective. you can take it. You can leave it.

[I agree with you that it doesn't serve an obvious scum agenda. The read itself felt inconsistent because your progression was:]

[Highly townread Murder throughout D1, where he consistently rails on Noraabear]
[Murder votes Noraabear and cases them D2]
[You now think Murder is scummy, without even reading the case, so it is simply by virtue of the read on Noraa and nothing new that really popped up]

[that is what seems off about it. Town can be inconsistent, for sure. It just didn't feel like a genuine read and that's the best I can sum it up for you. I am not lockscum on you by any means, of course.]

~Morning

It's a conflict between what he's saying and what he's doing. It really isn't that hard.

[Bell]

@doublethetrouble: Funnily enough I was just thinking about that, while thinking about something else. Did you notice his narrative around the day and his opinion of it is kind of skewed where he's saying he wants to hear new things, but isn't really?

No? Can you explain in more detail?

- Norwee

He wants to hear about new people, didn't want the circle jerk to continue, didn't seem to mind the case on Polarbear.

[Bell]

Mason.

[Bell]

Opps.

[Bell]

No seriously.
I read you as mason from the matrix game where you fake-real claimed your actual role and your interactions with Drasse is dicking about.

This is why I said you were super scummy rather sarcastically. I actually didn't think you would drop that bomb case on me at all.

[Bell]

Mason.

y did u post this

Spite.

[Bell]

Anyway it is in my interest to figure out who the scum and town are.
Pichu read was fairly easy. His case on me only really affirms that. Though I will always add the disclaimer that he's supposedly really good scum so like, it will bite me in the ass one day and that day I will not be surprised.

Ydrasse is harder.

I don't agree that Ircher was towning it up D1 take by Pichu, I think he looks better today. Though, his votes not great.

[Bell]

Dude I quoted you, are you being derpy on purpose?

[Bell]

That's disney evil. Can we draw out the clock at least. I'd like to try to save the town at some point this day phase if you could all stop pressuring me and just gentlemen's agreement to elim me later today I'd appreciate it.
(if somebody does a day action I will lose my shit*)

[Bell]

No seriously.
I read you as mason from the matrix game where you fake-real claimed your actual role and your interactions with Drasse is dicking about.

This is why I said you were super scummy rather sarcastically. I actually didn't think you would drop that bomb case on me at all.

hey at least you acknowledge it's a bomb case - i'm pretty smart to catch you right

I knew you were going to say and that's why I still am not going to ever directly engage your cases on me now or in the future.

[Bell]

Uh, go back and examine who was pushing Unknown, BM, etc.
I couldn't read over night phase because a lot of shit happened.

[Bell]

I'm aware.
It's your rep on the line. I expect full compensation, I don't expect a reevaluation.
I just need to convince others that you're wrong, but I'm not gunna do that by arguing with you about how wrong you are.

[Bell]

K, I'm detective.
N1 I investigated Toog who killed no one.
Good job everyone.
Good job.

[Bell]

Imagine believing somebody who claims VT in their first post and does nothing for the rest of the day.

[Bell]

Holy crap. Shut the fuck up.

[Bell]

Dude, stop it.
I thought he was out of the way.
You want to talk about better play?
Look in the mirror if you're town.
But I doubt it at this point.

[Bell]

Oh this is alisae.

[Bell]

....Have you played with Dunstral before?

[Bell]

course you have.

VOTE: DTT

[Bell]

It's 2:51AM.

Out of respect. I don't know how you expect me to react when a wagon builds on me for defending a TR.
And I have a choice of being a dick and melting down and getting voted anyway and just like not doing that.

[Bell]

And I still ended up being a dick and melting down in the end so like.
make up your mind.

Am I scum for being too calm, am I scum for Ateing and responding to pressure like I always do or.

I did ask just to let me solve and to wait up. until day end. Has anyone actually examined peope's actions around the flipped players yet.

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First aid class stuff today for maybe probably job prep.
If people could just not talk about me but talk about other people that would be appreciated.

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Wow.

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So the reason I wasn't solving was because solving could get me killed.
I don't have that restriction anymore.

I don't crumb. I suck at crumbs.
DBT actually town cased me and argued it was a scum case.
Give me like 4 hours to write this shit. I had a first aid class that got rescheduled.

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The first mention of NK15 interaction was sadly, my vote on them for watching and waiting. I guess they were trying to utr but that backfired because I'm notorious for scum reading PR's as town because I don't tell the difference between scum, scum faking PR claims, and town+ town faking PR claims. It's a complex world and my philosophy is just to hope they aren't a PR and try to kill the scums. In retrospect there are players that actually can identify town PR's and kinda crush the scum team under their foot with them.
...I'm not one of those. Point being is I'm sorry UK15. Blaming their play isn't cool Pooky, it's on us for mistaken play. Likewise, I do think it is highly fucked up that you don't see anything wrong with Alisae leading the bad PR narrative after smoke filled chamber where I do believe he got blacklisted, by like, half the town in that game. My toog investigation just wasn't bad no matter how I think on it. I thought that if they were scum it would make sense because they flitted in and out of perception I don't think a scum team would think they were bad pick for kills. The speed on this shit RN should be a giant red flag to how this is going to go.

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Netflix was the next person to pick up on NK15 by asking Alisae what they thought about them. No opinion was their reply. Dunstral rightly pointed out that, actually you could have an opinion on that slot as evidenced by me. Having an opinion on them for it. :3. It wasn't a good opinion moving on from my own shame. Maybe Dunstral even mind melded, sadly how he plays means I have no clue what he was thinking because he doesn't like to talk.
MC is next with a weird poast comment.
Ircher is next with a hi guys, votes a town PR post. 3rd or 4th.
Noraa just sorta ignores the Nk15 thing, which isn't strange fmpov.
Netflix jumps to Ircher. Not sure why.
Spiffeh follows Ircher instead of ooking at Nk15, not sure why.


Actually this is probably going to take upwards of 12 hours. My first aid class may or may not be rescheduled for later today so we'll see how that goes.
I'm just gunna keep posting till I'm dead I guess.

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So if flavor would like me to stop at any point maybe he can ask his scum team to get me out of this train wreck of a game. Not that he probably didn't already do that. <3.

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Keep posting Pichu, you're gunna look real good post game.

L'esprit de l'escalier: His ego is so big it couldn't be contained in alter ego.
That's why he has so many alts.

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One alter ego*
oh well.
*chuckle*

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If he's not a mason btw, he is probably scum.

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Still here and pointing out that I have a reason I can't share until another game ends. discussion for post game tho.

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I still dunno why Noraa isn't reacting to that though.
I guess she just think it would be unnatural for me not to think flavor would never pick her as town here.

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It's not a great start to hard TR her though, If I could get away with it.
Mystery for another time back to reread.

On NK15 then focus on BM inbetween or maybe separately.

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confidence

Nope, you don't.

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He thinks he does, but he doesn't.
Because of reasons Murdercat.
Because of reasons.
He just doesn't actually know, he just thinks he does which is kind of in line with his leaf persona/town meta.

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I use the advantages I have to try to win.
Sorry if that seems like poor sportsmenship, but I know what I know. I can't just pretend I don't.

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That guy in that image is kicking Pookie and my ass rn.
I am literally going to escape this just to spite you and that stupid avatar of his.

I'm not going to stop posting until I obvious town.

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Anyway it is in my interest to figure out who the scum and town are.
Pichu read was fairly easy. His case on me only really affirms that. Though I will always add the disclaimer that he's supposedly really good scum so like, it will bite me in the ass one day and that day I will not be surprised.

Ydrasse is harder.

I don't agree that Ircher was towning it up D1 take by Pichu, I think he looks better today. Though, his votes not great.

If he's not a mason btw, he is probably scum.

the first post indicate you TOWNREAD me
not that you just think pooky would pick me as a mason
so what's the latter post mean?

I town read you because I mason read you and your entrance. I'll get into that eventually.

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I don't have a scum wim you silly pokemon.

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That's literally the difference between my scum and town games.

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you're good at this wim thing despite everything i'll give you that
i'm gonna keep pushing you until i convince enough people though
pooky even declared a THUNDERNUKE and people aren't piling on
you're on L-3 i think now?
if anything that's indicative of a lot

This is more of that kinda stuff I was talking about.

Watch.

So I wasn't at L-3 until I almost got hammered By toog.
But you forgot.

"Pichh: WELL IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE FACTS ARE"

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If all else fails, call you main attacker a mason i guess?

- Norwee

This seems like a dumb plan.

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Are you just going to open wolf town case me and just laugh as the town eliminates me anyway.
Because that would be fucking hilarious.

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You have a temporal issue.
Me calling you super scummy was a joke about asking scum not to nk you, so I crumbed I was mason reading you before you cased me.
Read my post again and realize how sarcastic it sounds.

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This is just gunna keep happening this is the kind of interaction we have and why I didn't want to go back and keep having to pick over all the misunderstandings and assumptions and plain blips and misses you do when you case people as leaf persona. I still think you're town on the off chance you aren't a mason, I retract it because there's such a thing as bad play and then there's killing a detective while fake acting like a mason.

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Bell you’re much better off being straight when engaging with me. Cus right now i just think you’re flailing.

- Norwee

That's not answering why you're town casing me and trying to eliminate me at the same time.

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you're good at this wim thing despite everything i'll give you that
i'm gonna keep pushing you until i convince enough people though
pooky even declared a THUNDERNUKE and people aren't piling on
you're on L-3 i think now?
if anything that's indicative of a lot

This is more of that kinda stuff I was talking about.

Watch.

So I wasn't at L-3 until I almost got hammered By toog.
But you forgot.

"Pichh: WELL IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE FACTS ARE"

WELL IT DOESN"T MATTER WHAT THE FACTS ARE.

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Yeah you have.
You said there was no way Flavorleaf would give me such a bad fake claim.
Then just said if all else fails call your attacker a mason I guess, which is dumb asf for scum me to do. Regardless of what Detective Pichu has to say.

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This is just gunna keep happening this is the kind of interaction we have and why I didn't want to go back and keep having to pick over all the misunderstandings and assumptions and plain blips and misses you do when you case people as leaf persona. I still think you're town on the off chance you aren't a mason, I retract it because there's such a thing as bad play and then there's killing a detective while fake acting like a mason.

my case and the original reasons are airtight
"fake acting like a mason"
very untrue and also just a very anti town path of discussion you keep trying to lead me down

See a lot of people have been extremely anti-town about this and let slip that they aren't masons. I'm not going to comment on that.
You're not getting shot, there are other players to shoot and you've already discredited yourself.

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No. I said i expected better but could wholly believe you’d make that claim.
Really, that’s what all the song and dance was about?

- Norwee

Wow, this isn't a good reason or argument.

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You ever gunna let me get back to that reread?
Or are you both so hungry for control that you're afraid I'll obv town if I keep posting and solving and posting some more?

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Cause that would be in your interest if you're town this game.
Just saying.

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It’s not a strong role, because that’s hard to believe unless you can prove it mechanically and make sure it fits in with the setup, it’s not VT because then people might think they have nothing to lose from voting you. Instead it’s an weak role that you could easily say scum RB’ed you or make up an fake result. It neither helps town nor gives them incentive to want to lim you cus an detective "might" be useful.
So i do think it’s one of the best fake claims you could make on second thought, but that’s also why i find it sus.

- Norwee

Uhuh.

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You fucked up pichu, you can accept it now.
Or you can accept it later. But I'm just gunna talking and solving until I'm dead.

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Just like i said with BM.
What’s stopping you from re-reading? Just ignore Pichu and do it.

- Norwee

Jesus christ, do I look like I respond to pressure?
Didn't you just accuse me of flailing make up your fucking mind.

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well

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Also, I distinctly remember asking for a reprieve and you both fucking pushed me to a cliff.

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This feels really fucking familiar.
Is this the part why I'm supposed to unvote you and we're supposed to get along again.
But really you're desclating because I'm going to get you dead now or later and this is your attempt to push me to a breaking point before resocializing me.

Because I've done this as scum.
It works good imo.

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Skip.

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#314 so town.
#313: jesus why are people tring ircher for this at the time. It's like a fluff post complaining about fluff posts while simultaneously saying he doesn't see a case on someone with a mixture of cheer leading. The middle content is okay though.
#321: I missed this post. I chuckled.
433: Squints* bucket for notes Pt.
Pichu lied when he said he'd TR you, if you TR'd him. I genuinely don't know if I can drag across finish line it's too early and I don't have enough information.:X
#489: Solstice next up with the vote. This is hard to differentiate between the town reading town PR play as scum play and the scum reading easy elimination as scum play.
This spiffeh vote is weird here. It can be wking being LHF defending or reaction testing or not. But it's pretty empty. Oh, oky that's not why they were voting them. Oh kay, that was why they were kinda voting them. Nice touch if scum imo it's wobbly in a townie way. Kind of reading between the lines here. Dunstral comes in to justify, solstice's vote. He's not wrong. Though this had the unfortunate effect of thinking I was on the right track tbh. If he's town we kind of fed in to each other. Bleh.
495: Wut.
496:Just a reiteration basically.
#553: /: The fuck is this?
593: I'm not sure if it makes sense to hold this conclusion where NK15 paying attention is a town point against their vote.
599 Interpretation without a position or decision. Game phase around this point and letting things walk is fine.

It occurred to me that when murdercat said it was a weird post that UK15 was omgusing me for voting a PR and that it was a weird post. Just not for the reasons I thought. Opps.

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Yeah gunna need to quote full, made a formatting error. I let that fly out because of the added vote. Probably made to unbalance me.

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General overview is going to be narrative around nK15 through the day.
At least some scum rode him. Probably, I hope. Or at least someone should be discernible from the play around it. If someone would like to assist in reading around or interpreting the pushes against Nk15 it would be appreciated.

Then swing by and do BM if my brain doesn't melt.