Mini Theme 2194 : Draft Mafia | Endgame

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Lunar Martian

stalking me

[BBmolla]

Gamma what prompted you to do RQS

[BBmolla]

I have an ability that is only useful for scum so I will be using that tonight to delete it I encourage others to do the same

[BBmolla]

Nvm doesn’t look like that removes abilities?

Idk I’ll ask the mod

[BBmolla]

no answer from mod yet

[BBmolla]

Interesting. Is there a way you could contextualize this that would resonate with me in particular?

I'm sort of hesitant to say what it is I have in case of mafia having some sort of special role stealing thing or something

It's not THAT good anyway

idk

[BBmolla]

Gamma what prompted you to do RQS

I will discuss this more later, but for now I'm fine saying I wanted to achieve a specific atmosphere for myself

I have an ability that is only useful for scum so I will be using that tonight to delete it I encourage others to do the same

Interesting. Is there a way you could contextualize this that would resonate with me in particular?

why does this sound so formal lol

probably the same answer to "why did gamma do RQS"

[BBmolla]

Pooky seems town fwiw

[BBmolla]

Interesting. Is there a way you could contextualize this that would resonate with me in particular?

I'm sort of hesitant to say what it is I have in case of mafia having some sort of special role stealing thing or something

It's not THAT good anyway

idk

oh
yeah we are not of the same mind here

why what do you think

[BBmolla]

ok

[BBmolla]

ye buddy otherwise I’d just 1v1 you to get rid of you

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Gamma

[BBmolla]

coolio

VOTE: pizza

[BBmolla]

drafting a role removes it from the selection so yeah I'm taking the anti-town one unless people have serious objections

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Gamma

why?

i dont like your rqs

i dont like you trying to dig deeper at what role im talking about

[BBmolla]

Pooky seems town fwiw

uhh why?

This seems pretty on par for what I’ve experienced with pooky town

[BBmolla]

Like BBMolla posting what he did? Fucking bad play.

-_-

What the hell were you thinking? Seriously.

GreyIces intro posts are awful

[BBmolla]

Like BBMolla posting what he did? Fucking bad play.

-_-

What the hell were you thinking? Seriously.

GreyIces intro posts are awful

why this one? because he disagreed with you?

comes in, votes pooky for no reason, then shades me for no reason

[BBmolla]

my perspective here is probably different because i generally agree with what he's arguing there.

which is what

[BBmolla]

Like BBMolla posting what he did? Fucking bad play.

-_-

What the hell were you thinking? Seriously.

GreyIces intro posts are awful

No really. Did you join the game and think "I'm gonna tell the scum I'm taking the most useful power from the pack so they know to definitely avoid passing themselves my pack"?

Or did you think "I'm taking the scummiest power from the pack, I'll tell the town in an attempt to look town so I'm not autolynched if they find out."

Vote: BBMolla

Inquiring minds are curious here.

I'm doing the only one of these that actually makes sense

[BBmolla]

what towncred would I gain by taking a scum power

I'm literally being open about it so that if that many people think I'm scummy or whatever I won't take it

like your logic makes no fucking sense

[BBmolla]

why did you vote Pooky

[BBmolla]

my perspective here is probably different because i generally agree with what he's arguing there.

which is what

Also I'm

firmly

against discussing the contents of packs, having actually read the mechanics. Even what we picked, as the quality of the pick could give the scum an idea of what's left (e.g. if XXXXX picked a 1-shot neighborizor their pack probably doesn't have a 1-shot cop or anything juicy).

Exception if you actually did get a dayvig I suppose, but dayvigs don't exist.

so because I disagreed and thought it was worth discussing im scum

just want to make sure I udnertsnad you correctly

[BBmolla]

my perspective here is probably different because i generally agree with what he's arguing there.

which is what

Also I'm

firmly

against discussing the contents of packs, having actually read the mechanics. Even what we picked, as the quality of the pick could give the scum an idea of what's left (e.g. if XXXXX picked a 1-shot neighborizor their pack probably doesn't have a 1-shot cop or anything juicy).

Exception if you actually did get a dayvig I suppose, but dayvigs don't exist.

so because I disagreed and thought it was worth discussing im scum

just want to make sure I udnertsnad you correctly

you do not udnertsnad me correctly. you are the one who is using disagreement as a reason to suspect someone. you said that greyice's shading of you had no reason. it did. that's the reason. you also have the pooky part, but i'm not talking about that right now.

the pooky part is the main awful part lmao

greyice dodged that answer completely

[BBmolla]

what towncred would I gain by taking a scum power

I'm literally being open about it so that if that many people think I'm scummy or whatever I won't take it

like your logic makes no fucking sense

Getting caught as having taken a scum power first pick by something like a rolecop, or draft pack cop, or anything like that, would be an extremely negative thing, yes?

I understand the value of picking a scum power out of a pack full of bad powers, but I don't understand the value in announcing "hey my pack is so bad the best thing I can do is hatedraft a scum power that depending on how packs pass the scum might not even see".

I'm not seeing the "town" in this announcement. I see the scum CYA.

because if enough people think I'm scummy then I won't do it

I'm being transparent

this is not a hard concept to grasp

[BBmolla]

ICE didn't shade pooky, jsut voted him, and it was his first post of the game so probs random or at least not a serious scumread. also a few people are voting pooky right now, do you have any problem with them bbmolla?

check my last vote

[BBmolla]

VOTE: GreyICE

not against a pizza lim tho

[BBmolla]

There are 2 votes on our slot.

-Infinity

you have litetrally nothing to say about abnything that's happened in the last like five pages

???

[BBmolla]

why do you think Grey is town

[BBmolla]

I mean not really? You v greyice has felt TvT to me so far, and I'm waiting to see how others interact and play around it. (I'm curious about toog's grey vote, I'm sure they'll talk about it at some point). Tris' questioning of gamma felt a bit performative, especially in comparison to shadow's, but it's kind of a weak read and I wanted to see how she would follow up.

-Infinity

Flashwagoning BBmolla sounds like a fine idea

if these are two different heads ya'll need to fucking talk

[BBmolla]

VOTE: GreyICE

not against a pizza lim tho

why did you only just make this vote now/why is greyice scum for his push on you?

i wanted to explore a grey wagon more than a pizza wagon

he continues to evade any sort of reasons for his pooky vote because he has none

[BBmolla]

tbh I feel like the whole game is solveable just by looking at how people interact with pooky lel

[BBmolla]

Is pooky scum, BBmolla?

no

[BBmolla]

fucking lol

[BBmolla]

Here is a read for you: Pooky scum.

Why

[BBmolla]

mastin's reads are on par for traditional mastin reads

[BBmolla]

mastina's*
mastina*

apologies

[BBmolla]

hi lld

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Gamma

[BBmolla]

did every one here just take stupid pills
RQS IS NOT A SCUM TELL, IT HAS NEVER BEEN A SCUM TELL, IT WILL NEVER BE A SCUM TELL

yeah but you also randomly disappeared after the spotlight was off you

[BBmolla]

I said in my response to tris I thought you had a point, his behavior looks like virtue signaling

ok but now like

im reminded of shitty trumpistanians

and i no nothin

can u claryfie

Okayyy
BBMolla claiming he had a pro-scum ability he was going to burn N1 doesn’t really make sense with his attitude regarding claiming powers/drafts. It makes even less sense with the fact I don’t believe he has anything with a lasting impact that he’d have to vocalize early.
VOTE: BBMolla
I was wanting to go with my pet SR but thinking about the ramifications of why BBMolla is sus, he should be limmed today.

what a shocking vote

[BBmolla]

tbh actually gamma seems more like upset town than upset scum

which blows but it is what it is

VOTE: GreyICE

[BBmolla]

tbh actually gamma seems more like upset town than upset scum

which blows but it is what it is

VOTE: GreyICE

Why does that blow, because I’m upset? Thanks, I guess?

it's just a little inconvenient cause that means you actually think I'm scum

[BBmolla]

people continue to vote me for awful reasons tho, yourself included

[BBmolla]

I feel like we're still in RVS. What's the case on Pooky? All I've seen from Pooky's is maybe a little dismissal of the votes and their constant support of eating pizza.

there is none people think they can get an easy lim off pooky cause they don't know pooky

[BBmolla]

can someone (maybe infinity) give a brief rundown of mastina's town meta and why her opening posts make her townie?

they don't necessarily

[BBmolla]

Mastina plays in a very particular way

May be worth checking out some other Mastina games

[BBmolla]

apparently you're now scum for claiming to do that

[BBmolla]

stay safe mastina

[BBmolla]

apparently you're now scum for claiming to do that

nice try, but the issue is your caginess making little sense

how does it make little sense and explain the difference between me doing and flea doing it in response to me doing it

[BBmolla]

Your desire to not claim powers doesn’t mesh with softing the sort of thing you did
And Flea actually claimed faer power, so there’s a level of honesty from fae that you didn’t display

Do you have knowledge about scum powers?

Do we know for sure they can’t steal powers?

[BBmolla]

up to page 5, grabbing food, thanks for the warm welcome everybody

so first why are all of the wagons on town based on the v/c

VOTE: pooky

aggressive and confident little fella this game ain't he

can we please eliminate this

[BBmolla]

I think Grey took it to 11 with the vote, and as of right now I'm a little suspicious of it as the attack seems more in the vein of trying to find anything to attack that can emulate scum hunting. I really don't see the scum motivation in Molla's post, but it's something that can easily be attacked, giving people who want a way to look active something to do.

greyice's response to this was way out the rails but this is a great way to say grey is trying to get out of RVS, scum motivation for molla's play (gambit/cover for use) was given by grey and toog straight up didn't care. i think it's +town for molla but don't exactly have to dig deep to find scum molla in it.o

this whole angle is also pretty fucked when you realize that it actually took greyice awhile to swing the vote around, at first he just thought it was bad play

i think this is amished but maybe im misunderstanding

[BBmolla]

i think this is amished but maybe im misunderstanding

not familiar with the term

Willow seems to be blatantly buddying and trying to pocket. The takes are also a bit odd sometimes.

first is valid, leaving it at takes being odd does nothing

if a player criticizes the person they replaced they're scum

the logic is a player knows the player they replaced is town and wouldn't bother reading through their posts, but first thing scum does when they replace in is iso their former selves to see how fucked they are

idk if what you did qualifies so I'm meh on it

[BBmolla]

i think this is amished but maybe im misunderstanding

not familiar with the term

Willow seems to be blatantly buddying and trying to pocket. The takes are also a bit odd sometimes.

first is valid, leaving it at takes being odd does nothing

if a player criticizes the person they replaced they're scum

the logic is a player knows the player they replaced is town and wouldn't bother reading through their posts, but first thing scum does when they replace in is iso their former selves to see how fucked they are

idk if what you did qualifies so I'm meh on it

Whats wrong with criticising your own slot? I've done it a few times and while I have found it to be AI, it's not always SAI.

it's super dependent on the circumstances

willow is scum regardless so choo choo

[BBmolla]

I mean you are our glorious leader. <3

Molla why is willow scum?

conveniently same reads as predecessor, defending predecessor, all sorts of whack things

[BBmolla]

I still have yet to see a single reason for any Pooky vote

[BBmolla]

shadowslug seems town

[BBmolla]

agree with the people saying bbmolla is town, has me as scum but doesn't push the amished tell more forcefully. don't think molla really holds that back.

conveniently same reads as predecessor

think this is an oversimplification, might be worth revieiwing

someone is going to have to sell me on toog town because his engagement with greyice did not seem in good faith from the start

, saying this as someone who regularly takes the same line of attack (pressing on the first person to press) as mafia. joke about mafia all repping out also felt forced to me but pretty dumb to put stock in that.

you say that and then keep doing weird shit in your post

[BBmolla]

am I reading the same game as you guys

[BBmolla]

idk where you guys are getting your reads from

VOTE: We brought pizza

[BBmolla]

Pooky reflects me more as apathetic scum than apathetic town and I saw no reason to think otherwise at the moment.

ill be perfectly honest with you

I signed up for this game to shoot the shit with greyice, LLD joining up was a secondary bonus.

I've already caught pizza scum

if you guys all decide to elim me instead of pizza scum

i really could care less.

full speed on pizza lets go choo choo

[BBmolla]

pizza

if you guys are town

can you give me an actual explanation why pooky is scum

[BBmolla]

would you like mine
because mine's probably way better, no offense

sure

[BBmolla]

toog seems really gut town to me, I feel better about them every time they post

[BBmolla]

Has Noraa hydra given their reason to SR Pooky yet?

glad im not crazy lmao I'm getting purposefully fucking ignored I swear to god

[BBmolla]

oi

ty pooky

[BBmolla]

Klick wagon is zzz

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Gamma

I'm not feeling this today btw, Gamma seemed town during his AtE

[BBmolla]

932 was super scummy, but I'll pretend I didn't see that post since I don't want to eliminate pizza today and I think she's a slot with potential.

[BBmolla]

If I HAD to swap I could do Klick or NPOM

or even willow if enough people wanted to swap that way

Edit: The pizza vote on the Klick wagon is a yikes for me dog

[BBmolla]

Nvm lets flashwagon BBmolla. Back to go get perms.

there is no way you actually believe I'm scum

[BBmolla]

Klick if Flea is town who is scum?

[BBmolla]

short answer is that I'm currently seeing something along the lines of {Pooky, mastina, Not_Mafia} as entirely plausible if Flea is town

[BBmolla]

i definitely think it's possible with willow that i really didn't like greyice lmfao

[BBmolla]

no offense greyice

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Pizza

Scum on the wagon

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Pizza

Scum on the wagon

Expand on this?

A lot of the Klick wagon seems town, I don't think that there were 7 town on it though

Pizza sticks out like a sore thumb amongst the townish crowd

They're the scum on the wagon

[BBmolla]

Are you trying to act erratically scummy to make me think you are emotionally town by wifom?

Because this is something toxic.

That is not how scum me works.

this is right after they tried to flashwagon me

and then clidd died

it's them dudes/dudettes

[BBmolla]

also continuing to vote pooky lmfao

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Pizza

Scum on the wagon

Expand on this?

A lot of the Klick wagon seems town, I don't think that there were 7 town on it though

Pizza sticks out like a sore thumb amongst the townish crowd

They're the scum on the wagon

Ok but do you have actual reasons to SR us or is this just gambler's fallacy nonsense

-Infinity

do you even know what gamblers fallacy is

[BBmolla]

thats not what im arguing at all

I'm arguing that in a game where 7/12 are voting a player (minus the player himself in this equation), and 3 of those 12 are scum, mathematically it's unlikely that all 3 scum are not on the wagon. That's ignoring the real gameplay aspect that mafia are likely going to jump on a miselim.

if you're arguing that every player has a 1/12 chance of being town... I mean yes, but that's sort of ignoring the bigger picture.

regardless none of this matters, I think there was scum on the wagon, and the scum on the wagon would be you

[BBmolla]

NM who you votin today I'm looking forward to it

[BBmolla]

Shadow slug where are you leaning today

Pooky same question

[BBmolla]

Yeah I’m out atm but I can talk about my townreads today

[BBmolla]

Klick (7) toogeloo - Gamma Emerald - We brought pizza - NoPowerOverMe - PookyTheMagicalBear - Flea The Magician - Not_Mafia Banished !

toog is town for their stance on me and their lack of agenda

Gamma posts are genuine as hell and I think that's town

NPOM is a wildcard tbh

Pooky is town

Flea seems genuinely confused 97% of the time and I think that makes faer more than likely town

Not Mafia is Not Mafia

[BBmolla]

Stop avoiding the question, why is pizza scum?

im not avoiding

their pooky vote

their me votes

their disingenuous gameplay

it's just a bunch of calculated garbage

isn't nora supposed to be obv town by now

[BBmolla]

Stop avoiding the question, why is pizza scum?

im not avoiding

their pooky vote

their me votes

their disingenuous gameplay

it's just a bunch of calculated garbage

isn't nora supposed to be obv town by now

Thats the most direct answer you've given me. Nora is a chaotic mess of a voter and follows her heart and brain interchangably and frankly I'm confident townbinning her, and the hydra as a result. Infinity is taking a steady approach, which is the infinity I'm familiar with despite lacking much game experience, MC is an enigma, I mean who really likes flareon? the attack powerhouse with special typing?

Yuo've got nothing, that I can see, and honestly you'd do better just saying that.

Mastinas screaming town to me rn, NPOM is failing the vibe check badly and can enter my PoE. Pooky is sadly failing the vibe check and shadowslug is pinging me.

“Your reasons aren’t reasons”

Okay lol

[BBmolla]

so i'm really concerned about the slowdown atm, it's partially my fault but we definitely need to pick it up a bit. i've been shellacked the last few days irl and am really tired and don't want to tackle the bigger projects (revisiting pizza) atm but we can take some interim measures in the meantime

first, it is antitown imo to be more specific, but i'm very confident that toog did not make the night kill last night!

second, bbmolla and pooky! congratulations! you've been chosen to be my accountability partners for tomorrow! if i don't show up grill me, let's hang out and solve mafia games tomorrow night. i think this game is really interesting and poses some unique challenges, i don't think we're hurting for anything to work through. i should be around by 9 est.

this is townish but why did you pick me

[BBmolla]

there is literally know reason for you to take miller

it's only useful for the mafia if they claim to take it

basically what you're doing right now

[BBmolla]

okay

but why not

just leave the miller

??

[BBmolla]

if there's a PR cop and scum take miller for some god knows reason (it literally does nothing for them) then you're literally preventing that PR cop from getting a guilty by doing this

[BBmolla]

i dont know if this makes flea scum but im sure as fuck confused

[BBmolla]

the odds of the pack still existing by then aren't great am I wrong

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Flea

[BBmolla]

VOTE: pizza

Thank you for the gift whoever

[BBmolla]

I think Mathblade is scum with pooky

Fucking lol

[BBmolla]

Pooky is town. I used a 1-shot Cop ability on him night 1. He should have gotten a gift from me last night with one of the inventor powers I picked up on Night 2.

did you mean me? cause I got a gift

and a cop clear on me would be excellent

[BBmolla]

dude i would never change my claim if im mafia

i think bbmolla is the best suspect if mastina was the kill which is what we both think happened last night right?

:/

I wouldn't kill mastina lol

[BBmolla]

dude i would never change my claim if im mafia

i think bbmolla is the best suspect if mastina was the kill which is what we both think happened last night right?

:/

I wouldn't kill mastina lol

Why do you think you were targeted for an invention? Don’t say what it is in your response.

I assume it was because someone is reading me correctly

[BBmolla]

dude i would never change my claim if im mafia

i think bbmolla is the best suspect if mastina was the kill which is what we both think happened last night right?

:/

I wouldn't kill mastina lol

If you were scum you wouldn't kill town!mastina? That would be against your win condition.

why would I? no offense to mastina but I am entirely unthreatened by her. she's super wrong and there's no way she'll ever realize that so it's pointless to discuss with her (I've tried in the past)

she has no power here so why would I kill her

[BBmolla]

we're so far away from elimming actual scum

this game is depressing

[BBmolla]

I'm town

I was very excited at the prospect of being cleared because I'm going to inevitably have to do my normal scream session to make ya'll understand that

and I'm just tired

can you please all just read me correctly

the only time I get scumread is as town

[BBmolla]

what specifically is mastina wrong about?

I'm town

[BBmolla]

I have no idea what to make of NPOM's whack logic

[BBmolla]

can we elim pizza now

[BBmolla]

BBMolla why are you not wanting to figure out the inventor situation?

I'm starting to think scum gave it to me and it might be fake or something

I know I got a gift, no one is claiming to give it to me, they must have some reason

[BBmolla]

NM I never had Neapolitan, it’s probably an upgraded role or whatever?

[BBmolla]

can we just elim me

it's not me and ya'll are really conf biased at this point

[BBmolla]

can I actually ask if people think lurking pizza is town

like I can go A50 I don't really care but I'm puzzled why everyone is completely ignoring pizza

[BBmolla]

unwnd seems town btw

[BBmolla]

:/

I don’t think Unwnd is scum I’d rather go A50 over unwnd

[BBmolla]

cool posts

let's elim pizza

[BBmolla]

Alright game is stagnating and it’s becoming anti-town at this point

VOTE: Unwnd

[BBmolla]

Scum literally mocking us by killing themselves at this point

[BBmolla]

I was roleblocked btw

[BBmolla]

pooky

we sat around

for like a fucking week

[BBmolla]

these morons

were so fucking tunneled

that it was the only way

i saw scum getting elimmed

[BBmolla]

I was VERY transparent I didn't think the slot was scum

but it was reaching a point of being detrimental cause the game was fucking stagnant

[BBmolla]

pooky do you honestly think mathblade is going to listen to anything I say

[BBmolla]

mathblade who with mastina has been espousing that I am scum for like two or three days now

???

[BBmolla]

I think maybe it's just also the long nights have made me impatient this game literally feels like it's always on hold

[BBmolla]

like I've been pushing pizza more than even you pook

you didn't even jump on the pizza wagon till halfway through the day

||||

[BBmolla]

I WANTED the pizza elim very bad but I didn't see us getting it, people were too tunneled on NPOM scumming up the slot

[BBmolla]

VOTE: mastina

[BBmolla]

pooky do you honestly think mathblade is going to listen to anything I say

Today I am not voting anyone and enjoying a beer in a bit. I try to not play mafia when tipsy/drunk.

What makes you say you were blocked?
Did you get a message saying so?

hold on have to ask the mod something

[BBmolla]

okay yes, I tracked mastina and got no result

which definitely means roleblocked I double checked with mod

[BBmolla]

she could be ascetic yeah

but that would roleblock me

so I'd still be roleblocked

and I'm not lying

[BBmolla]

I don't think the person who caused it needs to claim, especially if they can possibly get another.

[BBmolla]

maybe the bus driver was redirected to pizza lol?

[BBmolla]

I read it, but half of it is meta so nothing to really contribute on this side to it.

[BBmolla]

@Mod: I am sorry to do this but I need to request replacement.

Stepping away for a while.