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[Kerset]

jo jo

[Kerset]

VOTE: nomnomnom
you ate monkey!

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cyrus you were SE in my first game

[Kerset]

new forum?

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rvs votes dont mean nothing for one for two im a wild card . so i tend to make games wild . you seem to be trying to hard relax and have fun gee. we just started . you will see me casting votes every where when i think people are scum . even when i said they were town. plus no two games of mine are the same.

cyrus got scared, pressure worked well

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i feel so good rolling town i hope i catch scum !

i don't want to vote so early but the scum could be anyone!

i guess i'm just gonna vote for the Mod for making me town! i wanted so bad to be scum

why do you act out of meta?

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i feel so good rolling town i hope i catch scum !

i don't want to vote so early but the scum could be anyone!

i guess i'm just gonna vote for the Mod for making me town! i wanted so bad to be scum

why do you act out of meta?

What is his meta? Can you share 1/2 game links?

You click on his name>view their topics>pick a game.

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huh every time i come another tons of pages appear, i hope that it won't be a daily basis

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the most important

boxy pls give me link to your off side meta

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Box is kind of player with old account, empty hole and claims to be playing offside.

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Monkey if you vote box I'll hammer at this point, seen enough now.

intent to hammer box if he goes to e-1 again

I appreciate the intent and I will flashlynch as soon as everyone has posted.

boxxy, if you can, claim

Forcing a claim this early with a trash case. gg no re.

I'm a roaming detective, so if we have any sort of doc protection tonight would be appreciated, assuming i make it that far.

This is the pressure, which was supposed to gain a claim.

It looks like a complete BS. What was it? 24 ingame hours? For boxxy it was 25th post in this game. Any normal player would refuse to claim, especially when their claim is that important as there wasn't enough to analyze yet. Also how continent it is actually a TI! Typical claim that saves you from death. Thing that scum would do in panic mode, as he holds no value in his power role.

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Roaming Rolecop wouldn't makesense. Also I just looked atthe wiki and ddetective is always town.

well scum can claim anything but anyway dectec can be evil too https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=76996

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VOTE: Boxy for being to box like

Was this vote a meme or what? Before and later you seem to believe in him.

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Salsabil do you ever make nonquestion posts? You keep asking asking but there are no conclusions out of it.

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Btw, I'm busy rn, will post in details later. But

cyrus62

still doesn’t reply my question on 221 (while being on the phone and replying others but keeps ignoring me) which is very scummy. I still think

Seanzie

and him aren’t TvT, interaction between them seems genuine, not performative.

VOTE: cyrus62

and the reason of your vote is lack of answer to the question like that the heck is the deal here

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Salsabil do you ever make nonquestion posts? You keep asking asking but there are no conclusions out of it.

Read all the posts and then count and let me know how many 'asking' posts I made with no conclusion.

Without deep reading it would be 17

Spoiler:

Sixth!

No vote?
Hmmm suspicious.
pedit:
he knows what he did

Nope, I'm too scared to vote because then you'll see my TMI.

I want to see your TMI

Too bad.

Hmm....
Tood bad in a town way or a scum way??

Non fluff though, current reads:

Cyrus - wolf

Everyone else who has posted thus far - Town

Aahahaha.....
You rolled scum, aren't you?

Does someone on a new forum that knows no one who rolls scum usually stick their neck out to push the game out of fluff?

I guess I can see the TMI of yours now....

VOTE: Seanzie

Btw, did you play forum mafia or any sort of mafia game anywhere else before?

Wagon on Seanzie seems way overblown? What am I missing?

He seems (newb) scum to me.... what do you think?

rvs votes dont mean nothing for one for two im a wild card . so i tend to make games wild . you seem to be trying to hard relax and have fun gee. we just started . you will see me casting votes every where when i think people are scum . even when i said they were town. plus no two games of mine are the same.

cyrus got scared, pressure worked well

scared no . angry yes i was trying to have fun and he went that rout .

Are you short-tempered?

i feel so good rolling town i hope i catch scum !

i don't want to vote so early but the scum could be anyone!

i guess i'm just gonna vote for the Mod for making me town! i wanted so bad to be scum

why do you act out of meta?

What is his meta? Can you share 1/2 game links?

Still waiting to hear townreads from people.

Who do you think is town atm?

Sup nerds.

VOTE: salsabil

Is it RVS or serious?

right now i have mostly nulls.

town i think i get town vibe from nom. but wont know for sure till we get going.

i see kerset as more lay back town to be honest i wont vote them yet.

sean to me is feeling town like the way hes pushing feels like hes trying to short maybe a bit fast for my taste but still.

salsabil gets a scum lean from me.

Your reason to scumread me?

Sup nerds.

VOTE: salsabil

Is it RVS or serious?

It's serious,

Reason?

cyrus62 (3): Seanzie, nomnomnom, boxxy

Ah yes, E-1

opps they changed it to e-2 and e-1 ok im at e-1 and seans at e-2

@cyrus62

, how serious it was?

my bad i thought it was 5 . not 7

Did you play mini normal ar any normal set-up game(s) before?

This feels like a reach, and possibly dishonest. Cause I didn't even vote monkey, i just said I support a policy lim at end of day if they don't contribute more.

VOTE: nomnomnom

In other news monkey moves to slight townlean.

What changes your mind?

Seanzie, he townleaned me out of nowhere from #222. My posts before #222 were horseshit.

Give me a second to look to see if I agree with your assessment of your own posts.

Okay, yes #222 was before you actually started posting game-related content. I agree that him switching to a townread there is bad.

But not scummy enough to you? See my 256.

While I am confident most of this wagon is comprised of town I feel strongly that at least one of Cyrus and Salsa are scum

Fot the argument's sake, assuming

cyrus62

is the town between us, how it makes me scum to you?

I think that Cyrus not knowing we weren't in a newbie with 9 players (hence that whole "I'm at e-1!!" drama) is a town slip? Unless it was ultra planned to give off that impression, but he doesn't strike me as that kind of player at all.

Daytalk enabled for all PT's.

Also, he was only @3 votes, so not even in a 9-players setup would he have been @E-1

So you're scumreading him or not?

@Dwlee99

, how often you are playing here? Your joining year is 2015 but didn't see you much before.

If

cyrus62

flips town, will

boxxy

be cleared?

[Kerset]

Those who have experience here, is roaming is commonly used for any role, especially in a normal setup?

I personally have not even heard of it before. That said, it is NOT a 1-shot. It's 1-shot PER PLAYER

I do some modding and saw it. Usually it is used for healers, so they don't stick to single PR.

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Salsabil do you ever make nonquestion posts? You keep asking asking but there are no conclusions out of it.

Read all the posts and then count and let me know how many 'asking' posts I made with no conclusion.

Without deep reading it would be 17

Spoiler:

Sixth!

No vote?
Hmmm suspicious.
pedit:
he knows what he did

Nope, I'm too scared to vote because then you'll see my TMI.

I want to see your TMI

Too bad.

Hmm....
Tood bad in a town way or a scum way??

Non fluff though, current reads:

Cyrus - wolf

Everyone else who has posted thus far - Town

Aahahaha.....
You rolled scum, aren't you?

Does someone on a new forum that knows no one who rolls scum usually stick their neck out to push the game out of fluff?

I guess I can see the TMI of yours now....

VOTE: Seanzie

Btw, did you play forum mafia or any sort of mafia game anywhere else before?

Wagon on Seanzie seems way overblown? What am I missing?

He seems (newb) scum to me.... what do you think?

rvs votes dont mean nothing for one for two im a wild card . so i tend to make games wild . you seem to be trying to hard relax and have fun gee. we just started . you will see me casting votes every where when i think people are scum . even when i said they were town. plus no two games of mine are the same.

cyrus got scared, pressure worked well

scared no . angry yes i was trying to have fun and he went that rout .

Are you short-tempered?

i feel so good rolling town i hope i catch scum !

i don't want to vote so early but the scum could be anyone!

i guess i'm just gonna vote for the Mod for making me town! i wanted so bad to be scum

why do you act out of meta?

What is his meta? Can you share 1/2 game links?

Still waiting to hear townreads from people.

Who do you think is town atm?

Sup nerds.

VOTE: salsabil

Is it RVS or serious?

right now i have mostly nulls.

town i think i get town vibe from nom. but wont know for sure till we get going.

i see kerset as more lay back town to be honest i wont vote them yet.

sean to me is feeling town like the way hes pushing feels like hes trying to short maybe a bit fast for my taste but still.

salsabil gets a scum lean from me.

Your reason to scumread me?

Sup nerds.

VOTE: salsabil

Is it RVS or serious?

It's serious,

Reason?

cyrus62 (3): Seanzie, nomnomnom, boxxy

Ah yes, E-1

opps they changed it to e-2 and e-1 ok im at e-1 and seans at e-2

@cyrus62

, how serious it was?

my bad i thought it was 5 . not 7

Did you play mini normal ar any normal set-up game(s) before?

This feels like a reach, and possibly dishonest. Cause I didn't even vote monkey, i just said I support a policy lim at end of day if they don't contribute more.

VOTE: nomnomnom

In other news monkey moves to slight townlean.

What changes your mind?

Seanzie, he townleaned me out of nowhere from #222. My posts before #222 were horseshit.

Give me a second to look to see if I agree with your assessment of your own posts.

Okay, yes #222 was before you actually started posting game-related content. I agree that him switching to a townread there is bad.

But not scummy enough to you? See my 256.

While I am confident most of this wagon is comprised of town I feel strongly that at least one of Cyrus and Salsa are scum

Fot the argument's sake, assuming

cyrus62

is the town between us, how it makes me scum to you?

I think that Cyrus not knowing we weren't in a newbie with 9 players (hence that whole "I'm at e-1!!" drama) is a town slip? Unless it was ultra planned to give off that impression, but he doesn't strike me as that kind of player at all.

Daytalk enabled for all PT's.

Also, he was only @3 votes, so not even in a 9-players setup would he have been @E-1

So you're scumreading him or not?

@Dwlee99

, how often you are playing here? Your joining year is 2015 but didn't see you much before.

If

cyrus62

flips town, will

boxxy

be cleared?

Cool! Now how many of the questions aren't answered yet?

5 speaking from memory
and now we got another question of yours, which leads towards no conlusion

[Kerset]

hem, why (for first time?) you are agitating people towards an elimination? I think about your cheering towards box death. Did you hope to early pressure him or what?

[Kerset]

Salsabil do you ever make nonquestion posts? You keep asking asking but there are no conclusions out of it.

Read all the posts and then count and let me know how many 'asking' posts I made with no conclusion.

Without deep reading it would be 17

Spoiler:

Sixth!

No vote?
Hmmm suspicious.
pedit:
he knows what he did

Nope, I'm too scared to vote because then you'll see my TMI.

I want to see your TMI

Too bad.

Hmm....
Tood bad in a town way or a scum way??

Non fluff though, current reads:

Cyrus - wolf

Everyone else who has posted thus far - Town

Aahahaha.....
You rolled scum, aren't you?

Does someone on a new forum that knows no one who rolls scum usually stick their neck out to push the game out of fluff?

I guess I can see the TMI of yours now....

VOTE: Seanzie

Btw, did you play forum mafia or any sort of mafia game anywhere else before?

Wagon on Seanzie seems way overblown? What am I missing?

He seems (newb) scum to me.... what do you think?

rvs votes dont mean nothing for one for two im a wild card . so i tend to make games wild . you seem to be trying to hard relax and have fun gee. we just started . you will see me casting votes every where when i think people are scum . even when i said they were town. plus no two games of mine are the same.

cyrus got scared, pressure worked well

scared no . angry yes i was trying to have fun and he went that rout .

Are you short-tempered?

i feel so good rolling town i hope i catch scum !

i don't want to vote so early but the scum could be anyone!

i guess i'm just gonna vote for the Mod for making me town! i wanted so bad to be scum

why do you act out of meta?

What is his meta? Can you share 1/2 game links?

Still waiting to hear townreads from people.

Who do you think is town atm?

Sup nerds.

VOTE: salsabil

Is it RVS or serious?

right now i have mostly nulls.

town i think i get town vibe from nom. but wont know for sure till we get going.

i see kerset as more lay back town to be honest i wont vote them yet.

sean to me is feeling town like the way hes pushing feels like hes trying to short maybe a bit fast for my taste but still.

salsabil gets a scum lean from me.

Your reason to scumread me?

Sup nerds.

VOTE: salsabil

Is it RVS or serious?

It's serious,

Reason?

cyrus62 (3): Seanzie, nomnomnom, boxxy

Ah yes, E-1

opps they changed it to e-2 and e-1 ok im at e-1 and seans at e-2

@cyrus62

, how serious it was?

my bad i thought it was 5 . not 7

Did you play mini normal ar any normal set-up game(s) before?

This feels like a reach, and possibly dishonest. Cause I didn't even vote monkey, i just said I support a policy lim at end of day if they don't contribute more.

VOTE: nomnomnom

In other news monkey moves to slight townlean.

What changes your mind?

Seanzie, he townleaned me out of nowhere from #222. My posts before #222 were horseshit.

Give me a second to look to see if I agree with your assessment of your own posts.

Okay, yes #222 was before you actually started posting game-related content. I agree that him switching to a townread there is bad.

But not scummy enough to you? See my 256.

While I am confident most of this wagon is comprised of town I feel strongly that at least one of Cyrus and Salsa are scum

Fot the argument's sake, assuming

cyrus62

is the town between us, how it makes me scum to you?

I think that Cyrus not knowing we weren't in a newbie with 9 players (hence that whole "I'm at e-1!!" drama) is a town slip? Unless it was ultra planned to give off that impression, but he doesn't strike me as that kind of player at all.

Daytalk enabled for all PT's.

Also, he was only @3 votes, so not even in a 9-players setup would he have been @E-1

So you're scumreading him or not?

@Dwlee99

, how often you are playing here? Your joining year is 2015 but didn't see you much before.

If

cyrus62

flips town, will

boxxy

be cleared?

Cool! Now how many of the questions aren't answered yet?

5 speaking from memory
and now we got another question of yours, which leads towards no conlusion

From these 5 questions, 1 is kept ignoring by

cyrus62

while he is online.... rest of the 4 I think towards other people who aren't online yet or not game related.
So, you can't be exaggerated that I'm having no conclusion.

17-5=12 Although it is pointless to count.
The fact that your posts do nothing is not the valid counterpoint here. The initial point stands as you make bunch of noise with questions and do not make any useful analysis.

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hem, why (for first time?) you are agitating people towards an elimination? I think about your cheering towards box death. Did you hope to early pressure him or what?

I don't understand this question. Don't you want to pressure your scumreads to see what happens?

but was this your intention back there?

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can we get a flip already.

flip yourself

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actually does anyone know what ssbm stands for?

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I dont see why kill didnt go on vocal player. Seanzie so sus

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why do i feel that this day will also last 24h

[Kerset]

I never claimed to be playing offsite.

I don't get the meta on this site.

You didn't directly but it would be super unnatural thing to say, if you don't.

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why do i feel that this day will also last 24h

If you've caught scum, you've caught scum. No need to play around.

and then on d4 you will lament about lack of data to talk about

[Kerset]

checking sus people like Seanzie night 1 is the worst play?

Are you kidding me?? Why would you check the first vote on the Cyrus' wagon??

Shouldn't you two argue right now?

[Kerset]

Has boxxy's result really affected your reads on Seanzie here? Exactly.

no but the NKA did

[Kerset]

VOTE: nom

thats it? you didn't even get dwlee to react and throw his case away

[Kerset]

I mean if you dont push him, Nom won't believe I have an actual guilty and won't kill me tonight so I can find his partner later.

o.0

[Kerset]

well you can just hardclaim this guilty, if you want to be taken seriously

[Kerset]

Only other situation is you're worried about a doc,

doc wouldn't stay on you

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why do i feel that this day will also last 24h

If you've caught scum, you've caught scum. No need to play around.

Instead of being dodgy, what we'd rather hear is your thought process choosing nom vs other viable candidates in the wagon. Or did you just yolo it?

cool

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If bambi doesn't want to openclaim then there is a reason behind it. Digging it, only favors scum as they learn more about the thing they shouldn't.

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I don't see why neither nom or hem got killed. They controlled two insta wagons on d1. Scum either wanted them to push box today or one of them is scum and pocketed the other.

[Kerset]

T3 can you try a bit harder?

[Kerset]

@salsa quite normal, just like others

[Kerset]

In post 767, Kerset wrote:
In post 764, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
Has boxxy's result really affected your reads on Seanzie here? Exactly.

no but the NKA did

How

Kuyoku suspected sean and died randomly

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VOTE: Seanzie
Its better then d1 24h 'associations'

[Kerset]

No one in scum team would expect that the first push in game is the one which will deliver elimination. It is reading game backwards.

[Kerset]

salsa use spoiler tags, you spam the thread

[Kerset]

Kuyoku suspected sean and died randomly

There are multiple levels to this, so why do you prefer this narrative specifically? Kuyoku also suspected Salsabil and died seemingly randomly.

wut? are we reading the same iso?

[Kerset]

No one in scum team would expect that the first push in game is the one which will deliver elimination. It is reading game backwards.

What does this mean

It means that sean is not cleared thanks for being the first on cyrus wagon

[Kerset]

i saw only like two early posts about it but ok

[Kerset]

I'm a roaming detective

I didn't even know what Roaming was.

OK, this is a 100% TOWN claim. Detective determine3s if a player HAS killed (if the target is Mafia who has NOT killed they get a negative result). This reminds me of a game I played recently where I suggested the

Detective

Psychiatrist targets the same players twice, so if they get "Can Kill" on N1 and "Can't Kill" on N2 that's a GUILTY (Psychiatrist is the opposite of Detective), so I think Roaming was added here to prevent that sort of guilty (although it would still be more suitable used with a Psychiatrist). Ohm and that game had a BABYSITTER in it, which is why I suggested the check would be on the same person, because the babysitter would not appear to have killed until/unless they were dead themselves)

for the record, A50 imminently believed in boxxy claim

[Kerset]

Seanzie (5): Almost50, Bambi Jay, Kerset, nomnomnom, humaneatingmonkey
Almost50 (1): Seanzie

Not Voting (4): MaxTheFox, boxxy, Dwlee99, T3, Salsabil Faria

[Kerset]

6 to elim so E-1

[Kerset]

I am tempted to lolhammer only cause yesterday I hit scum with it but I'm not comfortable voting there until I can read Seanzie's scum games (which requires getting admin approval to sign up on the forum apparently??)

and you also care about claim... i hope

[Kerset]

Salsa can finally be ready to interact in real-time. Woohoo.

maybe even after 666 questions he will give us a read on something

[Kerset]

she

[Kerset]

claim?

i just did vt.

[Kerset]

Oh when I hammered I missed the claim.

[Kerset]

Intent to hammer.

what is your case on sean?

[Kerset]

nom you start to work under confirmation bias

[Kerset]

1178 sounded so bad, no surprise that he died.

[Kerset]

You are trying to match my post in to scum tactic rather then finding scum agenda from my posts.
BTW votes in increased sizes don't count twice.

[Kerset]

1178 sounded so bad, no surprise that he died.

Really?? Why is that?

Just my emotional impression

[Kerset]

Intent to hammer.

what is your case on sean?

The whole psych thing.

This guy shouldn't get this far in game. T3 is barely trying to do anything in this game and sneaks inside a wagon.
VOTE: T3

[Kerset]

1178 sounded so bad, no surprise that he died.

Really?? Why is that?

Just my emotional impression

What cause this emotional expression from the post you mentioned?
Also, I want to you, why didn't you give vote to

cyrus62

when he was slipping or didn't talk about the wagon formation around him?

First question is stupid
2. I had no intention to end that day so early and he got enough votes at the time

[Kerset]

Now you start to ignore me

+ voted 'easy push' wagon

With tools, which call everything i do scummy, you will get nowhere.

[Kerset]

2. Fine... then why didn't you give your read/thought process about the wagon formation or about the wagon holder?

If you wanted such thing then you should have asked. I am out of divination spells to predict that you will need it in the first 24h of the game.

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2. Fine... then why didn't you give your read/thought process about the wagon formation or about the wagon holder?

If you wanted such thing then you should have asked. I am out of divination spells to predict that you will need it in the first 24h of the game.

2. Fine... then why didn't you give your read/thought process about the wagon formation or about the wagon holder?

If you wanted such thing then you should have asked. I am out of divination spells to predict that you will need it in the first 24h of the game.

Mocking me will not do you any good in this situation. And I actually asked, but you're very busy with dodging and mocking, so you missed the question.

1178 sounded so bad, no surprise that he died.

Really?? Why is that?

Just my emotional impression

What cause this emotional expression from the post you mentioned?
Also, I want to you, why didn't you give vote to

cyrus62

when he was slipping or

didn't talk about the wagon formation around him?

If i didn't talk about then i had no need to do so atm. What do you expect to hear here? If you wanted me to say about it then you should have asked.
I fail to see your good faith in those questions, if you give me 3 accusations (weak push, ignoring you, dodge), while question over trivial things.

[Kerset]

Nomnom must have protected whoever got attacked. If we figure out who (or he crumbed it) then we will get a clear out of it.

He didn't even have a chance to crumb since he would've just gotten to role of BG unexpectedly. Though we can probably assume they either shot someone he townread or he protected on of the invest claims. Probably Box if anything.

Nom didn't believe in box

[Kerset]

Funny thing is that i expected A50 to be backup, who wants to get detective from box. It would explain this psychology thing s he hoped that sec maf will kill.
Game with another backup is impossible so ...

[Kerset]

My last reply to you

If i didn't talk about then i had no need to do so atm.

This is the answer on why i didn't talk about 'cyrus wagon formation'.
.the end

[Kerset]

Nomnom must have protected whoever got attacked. If we figure out who (or he crumbed it) then we will get a clear out of it.

In this case

humaneatingmonkey

maybe but can't be sure because I didn't see any crumb or don't realize it.

Fuck that's actually also likely if he just despised Box instead.

But I also don't think Monkey is town in the slightest. He turned on Nom on the dime with my vague ass guilty and he hammered before we could do anything with like 6 days left. He's been too opportunistic to be real town.

By monkey do you mean HEM or A50

[Kerset]

So do we make a poll? Who is real TPR box or a50?

[Kerset]

Or maybe we should wait for a50

[Kerset]

Show me what he's done to be trusted enough he can't be townie after quick hammering our Bodyguard AFTER they claimed. Why is that not a scum move in your eyes?

Tbh when i saw Seanzie post without checking the flip i was sure it was fake

[Kerset]

I came back, read Seanzie claim, i said to myself "wow thats obv scum" then i checked the flip.
I am not surprised that they made decision to vote him out.

[Kerset]

Why are you sure that A50 is not scum?

[Kerset]

I am vt

[Kerset]

Roaming Detective
HiderBodyguard
Universal backup
Novice psychologist


A lot of town power. In my setuo i had 2 TI, backup and zero power neighborhood.
The only way i could image this would be with scum ungated roleblock, which doesn't seem to be the case.

[Kerset]

Kerset, what's your take on Salsabil, boxxy, Almost50, and BambiJay?

I think that a50 mindset makes no sense as psychologist. Normally players are afraid of being too obvious. A50 claimed out of nowhere and use his crumb in haha! way. It makes box town.
Salsa and bambi are ok. I would rather look for other scum in t3/fox.

[Kerset]

So Kyouko's death wasn't to hide themselves very well. It had a purpose.

Or scum are beginners who had no idea what to do

[Kerset]

Wow i am hard to read but T3 with his posting is town.

[Kerset]

I think T3 is town. I think Salsa is town. I think you're right about A50's mindset not making sense as a psychologist.

What do you think about Bambi Jay's take on A50 lying about his role to save boxxy? I think it's a load of bullshit because A50 doesn't have the town motivation to believe boxxy's claim if he has a sense that the slot of scum (as demonstrated by him, before boxxy claimed). But since he claims his role is tied to his own role (which Bambi Jay believes is fake and A50 is alluding is fake), he says he believes it. So it's a load of tangled bullshit imo.

I dont see it in bambi iso. I am posting from work so i lack of time to deep search.

[Kerset]

I think boxxy and A50's alignment is the same, and I think the game solves itself if we elim one or the other. boxxy's D1 play is very sus. But MaxTheFox is making me very nervous about this solve.

Roaming Detective
HiderBodyguard
Universal backup
Novice psychologist


A lot of town power. In my setuo i had 2 TI, backup and zero power neighborhood.
The only way i could image this would be with scum ungated roleblock, which doesn't seem to be the case.

Don't you see too much TPR?

[Kerset]

And if they are both scum then lack of TPR

[Kerset]

I also didn't belive that almost was what he claimed. Although i thought that his real role was backup detective. We all 3 felt that something is off but filled it with different explanation.
Idk why bambi believed in d1 box.

[Kerset]

Don't you see too much TPR?

It's too much PR, but Bambi Jay claims A50 is obviously lying (as town) so he thinks it stills stands. I think there's at least one scum (if not two scum) between boxxy, Almost50, Bambi Jay. But again, MaxTheFox makes me nervous.

When will you have the time to deep dive this game?

7-9 hours, its morning in my time zone

[Kerset]

Sooo you claim vig?

[Kerset]

If you kill me today, read my posts after I flip.

???

[Kerset]

And I'm transparent that I meme around even claiming a shitty role when y'all know I'm a VT since I already admitted to wanting to bite the bullet earlier. I would've shot you anyway if I was a vig. I'm trigger happy.

Anyway I'm off to bed.

You're hurting town from your playstyle here.... it's my opinion obviously.

If Bambi did this as scum, then what was her goal here?

[Kerset]

I'm a roaming detective

I didn't even know what Roaming was.

OK, this is a 100% TOWN claim. Detective determine3s if a player HAS killed (if the target is Mafia who has NOT killed they get a negative result). This reminds me of a game I played recently where I suggested the

Detective

Psychiatrist targets the same players twice, so if they get "Can Kill" on N1 and "Can't Kill" on N2 that's a GUILTY (Psychiatrist is the opposite of Detective), so I think Roaming was added here to prevent that sort of guilty (although it would still be more suitable used with a Psychiatrist). Ohm and that game had a BABYSITTER in it, which is why I suggested the check would be on the same person, because the babysitter would not appear to have killed until/unless they were dead themselves)

can you link it? all i found was https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85940

[Kerset]

And if they are both scum then lack of TPR

You're arguing against your own argument.

Your "fear" is it looks like "too many TPR", but if both I and boxxy are Scum then it\s "too few" (I agree to the latter). What do you make of -presumably- Scum!ME defending Town!boxxy all game and keeping him alive too 9when he is supposed to be the TPR that can actually catch scum still).

hm? i was arguing hem back there

Its not like you expected on d1 for every other PR to die before box does. Your plan was to believe in box, watch his death and then fight other PR claim. Your idea was that your psycho and his dect match each other, so any other role which would try to take your spot should be less believable.

[Kerset]

Salsa has not killed anyone.

@Almost result?

Funny you should ask, cuz I did get a guilty on you.

I wanted to get you off my head for good, cuz everybody was SRing you, so I decided I'd put an end to it with -what I hoped was- a CLEAR, and instead I was given a GUILTY (Positive result = Can kill but has not attempted to).

Another thing, why

Almost50

is still alive with claiming an investigation role but

nomnomnom

was killed without claiming + crumbling anything??

@Almost50

.... this is for you mainly.

Obviously because I was HARD TOWNREADING boxxy and that's the ONLY slot I could have guiltied. With me defending boxxy and him living long enough to clear his p in a pool of 3 (assuming he lived today) which would put everyone's mind in doubt about WHICH of them 3 is the last Scum. You know..

If I had targeted just about ANYONE else I would have got a clear, which wouldn't really be worth anything because I could have hot the other Scum who has already killed, so I couldn't have told the difference.

The question is why is BOXXY still alive? The one role that

still can

produce a solid guilty. Unless you think nom protected boxxy (whom nom was so gung-ho on eliminating in the first place, and for TWO GAME DAYS RUNNING).

WAIT! That could mean non died protecting me?? If so, I owe them a BIG thanks. In fact, EVERYBODY does. I wouldn't have gotten my result posted if I had been swimming with the fishes already.

Other than that, I checked HEM and got a clear (reminder: my clears are NOT AT ALL clears, and HEM himself outlined why that is).

Wait a50s claim was serious?

The role: Yes. The result: No.

What I'm saying is it's {boxxy/Almost50, Bambi Jay, MaxTheFox}. If Almost50 can just straighten out his claim, I can narrow down my PoE and case these players.

I am a bloody VT. Bambi is the ONLY player here who knows how to read my posts. OK? And because she does, she cannot be Scum, because she knew all along that boxxy was the one and only Investigative we have.

next time i wake up you will claim that you got guilty on bambi

[Kerset]

I don't buy it at all. You just noticed that people believe in box more then you, so you decided to retcon everything in order to suit your current needs.
VOTE: A50

[Kerset]

Its not like you expected on d1 for every other PR to die before box does. Your plan was to believe in box, watch his death and then fight other PR claim. Your idea was that your psycho and his dect match each other, so any other role which would try to take your spot should be less believable.

Cool story. Now why didn't I shoot BOXXY on N1 then??

Scum expected him to die on d2 rather then kill on n1. Box is conftown, this is universal theory.

[Kerset]

I state again I don't trust Monkey but since I'm outnumbered

He wouldn't be able to mentally keep this pace of posting, if he would be faking solve.

[Kerset]

Max, I really want the solve to be Almost50 and Bambi Jay. But your posts are screaming scum to me. I feel like you're sweating for no reason. Tell me why you're feeling nervous.

Have you seen https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86642? She actually managed to survive and win as scum in normal.

[Kerset]

@EVERYONE: If I had ever intended to fake TPR as SCUM I would have gone the safe route and given a CLEAR on someone. It's not that hard is it? Novice.. only have to give a result on D3, do have enough time to make sure that theoretical 1-shot Vig already used their shot too. EVERYONE GIVES ME A CLEAR would've been my cover.

Other than that, I checked HEM and got a clear (reminder: my clears are NOT AT ALL clears, and HEM himself outlined why that is).

Lol

[Kerset]

Max The Fox, I'll be honest with you. I'm not impressed with your reads. They all seem fake—weak at best—but your full vindication that Almost50 is scum and that I'm town makes me not believe that there's actually a player behind your posts that's trying hard to solve this game. Is this the best you can do?

And T3 still gave none.

[Kerset]

I don't see how anyone can make a towntell out of nothing, which is T3 ISO.

[Kerset]

T3... I'm nervous about T3 tbh. I have never played with him as scum. Lukewarm, in our recent game, has said that scum!T3 posts and pushes with more obvious agenda. In this game, I don't know if I can call any move that T3 has done to be scum agenda. Although I don't know how valuable that meta is anymore if T3 already knows about it. But I think, if we were to commit to boxxy being town, T3 would have been less likely to unvote in the way that he has when boxxy claimed if he was scum.

Debunk this

Hmm last time he keep voting scummates

[Kerset]

What makes me pause with A50 is that he hard tiownread boxxy as son as the claim happened. But now I realize while writing this post that could have just been to pocket him. VOTE: almost50

E-1

[Kerset]

even in townflip next day isn't lylo, so no need to worry

[Kerset]

Official Vote Count 3.02

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elimination

With 9 votes in play it takes 5 to eliminate a player

MaxTheFox (3): humaneatingmonkey, boxxy, Almost50
Almost50 (2): Kerset, Dwlee99
T3 (1): MaxTheFox
Bambi Jay (1): Salsabil Faria
Kerset (1): T3
humaneatingmonkey (1): Bambi Jay

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-06-28 22:20:01).

Mod notes:

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I'm not feeling motivated for anything atm due to some hard stuffs irl, I don't want to do detailed posts or give arguments about anything rn, not feeling it tbh. I do complete the catch-ups and decide to go with my gut again.

UNVOTE: Bambi Jay

VOTE: Almost50

MaxTheFox

can be scum if one of (or both)

Almost50

and

Bambi Jay

will flip town. Same goes for

Kerset

,

Dwlee99

,

humaneatingmonkey

and

T3

.

What makes me pause with A50 is that he hard tiownread boxxy as son as the claim happened. But now I realize while writing this post that could have just been to pocket him. VOTE: almost50

VOTE: Almost

Fuck it no slow days for you. See you in another 2 days.

Or we can speed up the night. Whatever the mod wants.

i see 5 votes now

[Kerset]

So scum in Monkey, Kerset, Dwlee.

and you kill monkey man?

[Kerset]

a50 don't bother reading you are dead

[Kerset]

Do you know HEM meta?

[Kerset]

I know he hammered the bodyguard and he's been against me and Almost all day. And if/when Almost flips green then I know he'll gun for me tommorow.

He's no ally of mine.

but would he tryhard that much as scum?

[Kerset]

poor a50 is still making wallposts unaware that his effects are futile

[Kerset]

A50 you have violated the golden rule of mafia.
Don't be a dick.

there is also a rule about avatar wagers

[Kerset]

HEM better hurry! Mod will be here at any time!

[Kerset]

Dwlee99 shouldn't your future choices depend on a50 flip?

[Kerset]

hey bambi, i know that a50 enjoys trickery but how much effort could a50 put to pretend to be town after hammer? What is his type of humor?

[Kerset]

hey bambi, i know that a50 enjoys trickery but how much effort could a50 put to pretend to be town after hammer? What is his type of humor?

Instead of asking you can always meta dive me. I literally don't recall having ever done this. The most I remember doing was a ONE POST saying "I said NO BUSSING" and that was it.

ofc i will meta dive hammered player, time well spent

[Kerset]

since our last moments are dragging
almost have you considered anime avatar?

[Kerset]

Waiting for Kerset and T3 to acknowledge Salsabil's claim so we're sure we have no counterclaims.

Intent to hammer MaxTheFox if she reaches E-1

Prediction: MaxTheFox won't post again until post-game, and it's okay. Let her rest. It's a hard game.

i am vt

[Kerset]

why people (HEM the call maker) suspect me but don't talk about dwlee at all.

[Kerset]

VOTE: kerset

VOTE: max¬

What makes me pause with A50 is that he hard tiownread boxxy as son as the claim happened. But now I realize while writing this post that could have just been to pocket him. VOTE: almost50

I don't see how someone could put me as top SR but a bit later decide that actually almost is scum. There is no logical progression at all, just an opportunity. I guess it could also apply to salsa but she explained it already.

[Kerset]

Kerset put MaxTheFox out of her misery

ask her to selfhammer

[Kerset]

Spoiler: bambi to T3

T3 why did you vote almost again btw? You don't have a pfp so no face for me to remember you by.

but i'm so glad bambi jay scumclaimed

I'd vote hem tomorrow just for this tbh

Don't be reasonable only when I say your evil. Sigh.

This game is weird. But I might as well go all in with the theme so far and make this the quickest mini in awhile.

Spoiler: T3 to bambi

Oh so you actually counted. Good on ya.

Salsa good cuz of Box result, Box is a PR, and I know I trust myself and since you want Max gone I'll trust her.

So scum in Monkey, Kerset, Dwlee.

Replace Kerset with T3 btw. I realize Kers is actually trying to solve.

"O' wise senpai of the lake. What is your wisdom?"

"T3 only shitposts when he's town"

"Oh."

Here's a slip Dwlee, I got a guilty on Nom but ain't gonna do anything with it today since I'd rather have fun this way instead.

I think ik what bambi is but Iwon't say it.VOTE: nomnomnom

Spoiler: bambi to max

yea nothing

Spoiler: max to bambi

Finally caught up and wondering what even are these posts.

VOTE: cyrus62 this talk is getting us no where . when i flip town check monkey. ps i just cant keep up right now.

Like... What gambit even is this? Voting yourself as a gambit only works in later days, day 1 a policy elim is still on the table. This sounds more like you'd clear the person your targetting if you flip evil. Speaking of flip...

so now that thats done as i said boxy isnt lieing. so check monkey to see why he wanted to lynch a pr.

why though

im the type of guy who plays fair. good job . town good job.

fatia isnt scum trust me.

This literally just sounds like throwing? Or the worst WIFOM ever. The worst wine nobody would even drink.

So honestly for now I'll assume anything he said is pointless to find his partners.

Or that's what he wants you to think.

One major lead that i noticed is that actual conversations between bambi and max don't exist. T3 was less active and yet even he got some direct exchanges.

[Kerset]

why people (HEM the call maker) suspect me but don't talk about dwlee at all.

lol i'm the only one defending you as town. also, D3 wasn't my call at all. if it were, we would have elimmed between Bambi Jay and MaxTheFox.

i mean your call for opinions about me which lead to suspect claims but you don't do that with dwlee

[Kerset]

EBWOP

[Kerset]

EBWOP

[Kerset]

EBWOP

[Kerset]

Waiting for Kerset and T3 to acknowledge Salsabil's claim so we're sure we have no counterclaims.

God just end the game guys it's obviously MaxTheFox why are you guys doing this

[Kerset]

one more ewob and i will kill Max, then see you later after 48h of nighttime or gameover

[Kerset]

geez you are just spamming the thread, not even spoilering the larger quotes

[Kerset]

why people (HEM the call maker) suspect me but don't talk about dwlee at all.

lol i'm the only one defending you as town. also, D3 wasn't my call at all. if it were, we would have elimmed between Bambi Jay and MaxTheFox.

i mean your call for opinions about me which lead to suspect claims but you don't do that with dwlee

Do you scumread

Dwlee99

?

no but i also didn't see their IC reveal

[Kerset]

IC??

Innocent Child. It is a role which can ask mod to be confirmed as town.

[Kerset]

author expected that no one will read it and made it in unusable from

MaxTheFox

Motivation + Progression

TL;DR MaxTheFox lacks the vibe that she's solving the game, and not just appearing to solve the game. All the reads MaxTheFox are based on gut and it's impossible to differentiate that with bullshitting. Gut-based players exist, and they can be town. But what's special about MaxTheFox is: She can't explain how she got her gut reads. And when she quotes posts and cites examples, she does not make sense at all.

• Not interacting with the posts of players and including them in her considerations.
• When she gives reads of people, it's really selective and there's a lack of effort in sorting every slot — as town would.

• She suggested looking in Cyrus' wagon for bussers, but didn't actually try herself. She said it's because she was discouraged when she was wrong about cyrus being town — I don't think town are easily discouraged by being wrong.

• In #1046, MaxTheFox said boxxy's recent posts reeked of scum but boxxy hasn't really posted since #973... In addition, boxxy's posting since #880 was fine and didn't have anything about them that was scummy.

• In #1472, MaxTheFox said that Bambi is town because she seems helpful, providing reads, helping solve the game, and most importantly it doesn't seem forced. She got this from her ISO and particularly #1351, based on "intuition". Read it. It was not really a post that anyone would townread.
• In #1646, MaxThe Fox actually deepdives Bambi Jay's ISO — proving that she really didn't read the ISO the first time and that she was just bullshitting.
• In #1646, MaxTheFox scumreads Bambi Jay for having me as her top scumread. This is TMI. How is she so sure that I'm town? Her read on me was that she doesn't think town would have this playstyle. That's not a very confident read.
• In #1646, MaxTheFox just quotes random Bambi Jay posts and calls it scum with no explanation and calls it gut. But she only has her on "scumlean".

• Meanwhile, her Almost50 case is on a strong cemented confident scumread for (a) tone, (b) being active, (c) being jumpy as shit.
• In #1472, MaxTheFox said A50 was almost silent Day 1, but suddenly became more active when Cyrus was hanged. She interprets this as a partner picking up the slack after their partner dies. Problem is: It's not actually accurate. A50 was loud in his catch-up on Day 1.
• She answers all my questions except #1642, where I asked "How did scum!A50 use his claims and fake guilties/clears to fit his situation?" Because she can't answer that.

Associative

MaxTheFox has positive partner interactions with both Cyrus and Bambi Jay.

• In 523, MaxTheFox blurts out an unexplained Cyrus townreaad on a gutread.
• In 1362, Bambi Jay puts HEM, Salsa, Dwlee on her elimpool. Mentions that her Salsa and Dwlee scumread also applies to MaxTheFox, but she makes an exception that "she got screwed by the fast day".
• In 1369, Bambi Jay remarks: "That's alot of sudden Max support from me reminding y'all she exists." This reads like a "Hey woah, slow down!"
• In1407, Bambi Jay does a perspective slip when she forgets that MaxTheFox hasn't claimed yet and can still claim detective.
• In 1511, Bambi Jay poorly explains the slip and demonstrates TMI when he explains that he assumes MaxTheFox is VT because "she clearly isn't invested enough" — even though she already mentioned that MaxTheFox could have been just screwed.
• In 1546, Bambi Jay defends against a MaxTheFox lynch by remarking that her mislynch could put us in ELo — like she's appealing that we reconsider.
• Bambi Jay hammers Almost50, but not MaxTheFox.

Emotional

• At #1472, MaxTheFox gets flustered when she said she was VT and said "she's probably gonna die" even though she wasn't in the chopping block and that we were just massclaiming. She said she felt nervous because pressure was building on her. It was, but she reacted in way that's more likely for caught scum to react.

Bonus

• At #1498, MaxTheFox scumslips when she said "My town playstyle didn't form yet, really." She is speaking in past tense, and doesn't have the POV that she's town in the present.

here is version with links

[Kerset]

ok we can end the day
VOTE: T3

[Kerset]

you got some questions

T3, cyrus62, Bambi Jay (exclude Day 4)

VOTE: seanzie
Fake helpful.

Explain why?

VOTE: cubxxy
I am convinced.

That moment, which posts of

cyrus62

's made you think he was townier than

boxxy

?

You have only ''1'' direct interaction with

cyrus62

, which is:

my bad i thought it was 5 . not 7

Did you play mini normal ar any normal set-up game(s) before?

been away for 2 years but yes i have. it was a mistake.

That's not mafia, that's arithmetic.

Almost, what Monkey does he got? He's avoiding the question and won't play with me even though he's a "troll" player.

I am letting him play it all out until he hangs himself with his own tail.

FTR, ISO me vs him. See my reaction to his entrance. I may have lightened up a little since, but it doesn't mean I have him as a "clear".

BTW, my Full read list looks like this:

Definitely TOWN

:
Almost50, boxxy, Seanzie, Kerset, Rathe/Bambi Jay

Possibly Town

(have some reservations/paranoia):
Dwlee99, Salsabil Faria

Null:

T3, MaxTheFox

Scummy

:
humaneatingmonkey

SCUM

:
nomnomnom


I'd advise you/anyone to to do a triple-ISO of cyrus/nom/HEM and re-evaluate their reads accordingly.

Like, who votes/pushes boxxy the most? That trio. T3 backed off as soon as he realized the claimed role wasn't what he thought it was. T3's push thus wasn't agenda-y. Who pushed Seenzie (and for what)?? Who finally gave up and voted cyrus?? Scum ARE nom & HEM.

These are pretty much just my reads.
VOTE: 3 noms

Oop the quote broke.

You never say what did you want to post then.

UNVOTE: nom3

Seanzie isn't giving me the same vibe as newbie 2063.

Intent to hammer.

Intent to hammer.

what is your case on sean?

The whole psych thing.

Explain these.

Intent to hammer.

what is your case on sean?

The whole psych thing.

This guy shouldn't get this far in game. T3 is barely trying to do anything in this game and sneaks inside a wagon.
VOTE: T3

I should be locktowned after what happened yesterday.

I got seanzie fo townslip then I had something and forgot to unvote.

Explain please how you

should be

locktown in this scenario.

Is that it, MaxTheFox? That's too little. I would like you to act as if you're a replacement into your slot and catch-up, explain the reads you had blurted out, roleclaim, and tell us who is scum.

I am a VT. I'll just say it. I'll probably die but I am a VT.

The explanation for my read on Bambi is that Bambi just seems helpful. Providing reads. Helping solve the game. And most importantly it doesn't seem forced.

You are town because I don't really see scum with that playstyle. Maybe because I am new.

Boxxy has been scummy since day 1. I can't quite explain it but I wouldn't be surprised if they flipped scum.

A50 is weird. He was almost silent day 1 but suddenly became more active when Cyrus was hanged. Something about that just pings my scumdar.

Very +newbtown post

Were you town reading her or scum reading her that moment?

VOTE: kerset

VOTE: max¬

Oops I thought that was hammerlol

Explain your reasons.

What makes me pause with A50 is that he hard tiownread boxxy as son as the claim happened. But now I realize while writing this post that could have just been to pocket him. VOTE: almost50

While you didn't think to give reasons for other votes, then why did you need to give a reason for

Almost50

's?

I know he hammered the bodyguard and he's been against me and Almost all day. And if/when Almost flips green then I know he'll gun for me tommorow.

He's no ally of mine.

T3 why did you vote almost again btw? You don't have a pfp so no face for me to remember you by.

1672 is why.

Oh so you actually counted. Good on ya.

Salsa good cuz of Box result, Box is a PR, and I know I trust myself and since you want Max gone I'll trust her.

So scum in Monkey, Kerset, Dwlee.

Replace Kerset with T3 btw. I realize Kers is actually trying to solve.

Oh so you actually counted. Good on ya.

Salsa good cuz of Box result, Box is a PR, and I know I trust myself and since you want Max gone I'll trust her.

So scum in Monkey, Kerset, Dwlee.

Replace Kerset with T3 btw. I realize Kers is actually trying to solve.

"O' wise senpai of the lake. What is your wisdom?"

"T3 only shitposts when he's town"

"Oh."

but i'm so glad bambi jay scumclaimed

I'd vote hem tomorrow just for this tbh

Don't be reasonable only when I say your evil. Sigh.

Bambi is an alt?

Can be fake if partnership interaction.

[Kerset]

Didn't you just joke about being conftown and now try to give it a meaning?

[Kerset]

Yeah,

cyrus62

also said the same thing but I'm also considering if town!her said that in frustration. My gut is saying

T3

but I messed up with

Almost50

last time by using my gut read, so I'm scared rn.

Well i wasnt part of cyrus caught then led seanzie wagon and yesterday fought for a50 death. Still, i feel confident that t3>max

[Kerset]

i hope that death thread is not yelling at me :S

[Kerset]

It would be more save to skip this day.

[Kerset]

This is normal game, scum got no such role

[Kerset]

Idk but I will be happier bc i won't need to worry about you! scum

[Kerset]

Noob vs pro games are tricky. Max should be the one but he would always look worse

[Kerset]

Dwlee what is your history with kyouko?

[Kerset]

Max, I really want the solve to be Almost50 and Bambi Jay. But your posts are screaming scum to me. I feel like you're sweating for no reason. Tell me why you're feeling nervous.

Have you seen https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86642? She actually managed to survive and win as scum in normal.

Thank you. Now I feel much more comfortable voting Max. as this explains why ssbm was shot on N1 (He was the only on here who did witness her Scum game)

It would explain D1 after all this time. Cyrus dead, rathe afk so max picked kill alone

[Kerset]

VOTE: no execution

[Kerset]

You sleep for 2 hours :0

[Kerset]

Ah okay so it's the afternoon for you. That's good. I'm going back to bed, maybe I'll do it in 2 hours when I wake up for work but I want to do my reading and I can't save progress without being able to Q+ and preview the posts. Max also hasn't checked in yet.

When monkey dies you will have associates to check

[Kerset]

One less to check

[Kerset]

max just vote no execution and we will see whenever monkey dies or not

btw use fast night, idk why we had to wait so long last time

[Kerset]

if he dies then you will look silly for flipfloping but whatever i don't do instavotes anyway

[Kerset]

Can I do my reading before we end day or no

it is up to democracy to decide whenever you got freedom or not!

[Kerset]

Max, I really want the solve to be Almost50 and Bambi Jay. But your posts are screaming scum to me. I feel like you're sweating for no reason. Tell me why you're feeling nervous.

Have you seen https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86642? She actually managed to survive and win as scum in normal.

Thank you. Now I feel much more comfortable voting Max. as this explains why ssbm was shot on N1 (He was the only on here who did witness her Scum game)

It would explain D1 after all this time. Cyrus dead, rathe afk so max picked kill alone

max you can explain n1 kill meantime

[Kerset]

For me the only reason, why i find hem town is that nomnom said so and flipped green. He seems to know hem well and should be right.

[Kerset]

Kerset do you have history with Kyo?

no

[Kerset]

my fucking god if we lose this because you guys can't see Max is scum and I'm town when it's so obvious, I'm gonna flip my shit

but he is a newbie and you are an experienced player, it is common reason of defeat to get fooled bc of experience fallacy

[Kerset]

No matter what my experience is, I'm not infallible. If I'm scum, I would have slipped. If I'm scum, I would have blundered. If I'm scum, the path to victory would have been obvious. If you think that I'm good scum with a lot of experience, don't you think I would have created a better path to victory than be in this situation where you doubt my alignment vs MaxTheFox?

You wanted to start this day with max execution rather then skip this day. Skip is meta play here.

[Kerset]

I agreed with skip as well. But also, Max can no-kill? We could no-elim now and Max can no-kill.

as far i know normal rules, if no-kill repeats then town wins

@mod can clarify

[Kerset]

Kerset, let's go. Let's convince you I'm town, and let's convince you MaxTheFox is scum. AMA.

how about dwlee just skips and i see or not see your flip >.<
If you want questions then i was wondering why did bambi out of all players picked you to push even that you had the most townpoints atm.

[Kerset]

as scum you count days and eliminatalbe players, they had enough miseliminations at the time

[Kerset]

I'm combined bodyguard hider (or whatever it is called)

Weren't you told?

Not a chance, and that's why this is the best slot to eliminate right now.

I would think a PR would know what his role card is, but okay. I want to hammer.

why didnt you wait for reply?

[Kerset]

I'm combined bodyguard hider (or whatever it is called). I'm essentially a bodyguard with an unlimited vest. I severely doubt we have two investigative since my role is kind of way OP (granted they are nerfed roles, but still, seems way too townsided).

why were you sure? You said that sena had no idea about their role butthe explanation of role mechanics was actually there,

[Kerset]

why were you sure? You said that sena had no idea about their role butthe explanation of role mechanics was actually there,

You said so yourself. It seems like a fake claim. I absolutely believed it was a fake claim. "Town combined bodyguard hider or whatever it's called" is not something that inspired confidence.

Well yea that was my impression but yours didn't have to be the same. You said that you will prove your town mindset, if i ask you questions so i do that

[Kerset]

Kerset, let's go. Let's convince you I'm town, and let's convince you MaxTheFox is scum. AMA.

I think the case on HEM is bad.

Thank you! Geez.

It really sucks having to explain myself like this when it's too obvious.

blame yourself for this idea

[Kerset]

so why max didn't kill box early? This is the most obvious move and the most exceptable from 2021 member

[Kerset]

HEM why are you so sure a50 was the protect? Or at least not boxxy?

nomnomnom doesn't buy boxxy, so not boxxy. nomnomnom doesn't completely buy a50 either, but someone has made the observation that there hasn't been any PR crumbs from anyone. it's questionable for scum to kill anyone but town!boxxy or town!Almost50 who has claimed investigative.

so it's either scum went straight for nomnomnom or they killed A50 and nomnomnom protected A50.

I'm just trying to dispel the narrative that I would belong to a team that would kill A50 or nomnomnom.

If you think that nomnomnom wouldn't have protected boxxy or A50, then that's a strong point that would indicate boxxy and/or A50 being scum.

[Kerset]

And why would I kill Kyuoku? The guy was willing to elim boxxy with me. If the play was have boxxy stay so I can elim him, I would have needed Kyuoku. And even so, I would have never made that play. Killing boxxy was the obvious move.

You know who has motive to kill Kyuoku? Someone who had played with him before, and could expose his scumgame. That's MaxTheFox.

yea that is my main argument why max is evil but a shame its form a50 not myself

[Kerset]

And why would I kill Kyuoku? The guy was willing to elim boxxy with me. If the play was have boxxy stay so I can elim him, I would have needed Kyuoku. And even so, I would have never made that play. Killing boxxy was the obvious move.

You know who has motive to kill Kyuoku? Someone who had played with him before, and could expose his scumgame. That's MaxTheFox.

yea that is my main argument why max is evil but a shame its form a50 not myself

Now explain why he couldn't be doing this to frame

me

?

bc he is not a diviner to predict the he will argue you in lylo

[Kerset]

Kerset, are we good? Any more?

I am still looking at your progression.

[Kerset]

I have played a lot of games with T3 and I have seen people dissect his scum game enough for me to watch out for it.

I think T3 is town. I think Salsa is town. I think you're right about A50's mindset not making sense as a psychologist.

What do you think about Bambi Jay's take on A50 lying about his role to save boxxy? I think it's a load of bullshit because A50 doesn't have the town motivation to believe boxxy's claim if he has a sense that the slot of scum (as demonstrated by him, before boxxy claimed). But since he claims his role is tied to his own role (which Bambi Jay believes is fake and A50 is alluding is fake), he says he believes it. So it's a load of tangled bullshit imo.

I think we should force participation out of MaxTheFox. VOTE: MaxTheFox He blurts out an unexplained Cyrus townread, and literally all his reads are unexplained. He just isn't towning it up. He suggested looking in Cyrus wagon for bussers but didn't actually try himself.

I would think that MaxTheFox is the better choice here. Although it might be that we just haven't seen enough of him to really read into the slot, I think his D1 stances are off, I think his reads are shallow, and I think the emotions of his recent posts are off.

It might be a bit vague but what is it your meta to be submissive? You let me execute both T3 and A50 even that you suspect were elsewhere. Why did you force your idea like with box

Spoiler:

let's do boxxy guys. it's a good wagon

Boxxy's wagon in the near future.

Boxxy's posts aren't good. TL;DR Boxxy is positioning himself to be the town's lord and savior from these anti-town scrubs and he's gonna scumhunt the scum to infinity and beyond. I read this as scum who's trying to score towncred. This is not how town actually score towncred. Town score towncred by making an effort in actually sorting slots. But in fact, he's done the opposite — he's reading into things very superficially and focuses much more on keeping the 'tegridy of much tuhwn.

BOXXY WAGON HYPE

[Kerset]

Why didn't you force your idea like with box

[Kerset]

it was question to hem why didn't he stand by this reads

[Kerset]

I think I remember people saying seanzie and/or salsa was evil for it

yea i said that

[Kerset]

I am going to mall for diet coke

[Kerset]

i hoped that i could force max to kill dwlee so he gets solved how lame

[Kerset]

max would think that he got good position against hem and kill dwlee, which would ultimately confirm him as scum, because it is dwlee who is actually less confirmed

[Kerset]

VOTE: max
gameover

[Kerset]

ye ye but we are just waiting for you

[Kerset]

*makes cute pose*

[Kerset]

[Kerset]

monkey how could you

[Kerset]

i got losing streak recently

[Kerset]

why n1 kill?

[Kerset]

With less then 48 hour dayphases (in one case less then 24), we had a very exciting quick mini atleast.

who are you?