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[GrandpaMo]

pog ok was waiting on my confirmation message.

let me provide some input

honestly, looking at this game before wanting to replace, i thought clasko was scum for everyone being really a townread and clasko was just poe atp so i was like let me replace in , turn this wagon off me and pog as solo scum

turns out i was wrong, im just a boring vt here.

all the tracker talk in the beginning made it so obvious that there was a tracker in the setup -- then i was right, hockey claimed tracker.

2nd: i stopped reading around page 18-19 i believe?

the last thing i remember was hockey being replaced.

also i dont personally think its alstro -- i did scumread them while reading their early day 1 but honestly them playing AtE here is probably just bored vt knwoing town will be able to win day 3.

i think maf lies between margot / egnix who were both sheeps throughtout day 1 -2

lets see how offended they will get. i would say there is mafia between alstra / egnix just because alstro voted egnix day 1 and had that interaction but im townreading alstra so i would just assume its egnix // and thats just not fair / bias.

[GrandpaMo]

Any input on my track is fine. It's not as if they can do anything but sweat.

I'm happy to go with you, give tracker full lead on who gets eliminated.

I'd be ok with either Clasko or Alstro, but I'd say track which ever of the two don't get yeeted tonight and we'll go from there

see like quotes like these -- makes it seem like you are setting up chainlims right.

because you would want the tracker not to go on you etc.

also isnt hockey tracker what happened to that claim kek

[GrandpaMo]

I feel like scum!Mo would have looked at the game more closely and known that which makes me think it's more likely to be in {Egix, T3}

Also have made it clear yesterday that I don't think it's Margot

I don’t think Margot is likely to be scum in this case unless they had some sort of play where LQ pushes their partner for all of Day 1. I also noted that LQ just kind of dropped off with their initial scum read on Margot, going from often commenting about their posts then to nothing, then coming right back to voting Margot again.

I really don't think that Margot is scum, given that Quick was.

Any input on my track is fine. It's not as if they can do anything but sweat.

I'm happy to go with you, give tracker full lead on who gets eliminated.

I'd be ok with either Clasko or Alstro, but I'd say track which ever of the two don't get yeeted tonight and we'll go from there

see like quotes like these -- makes it seem like you are setting up chainlims right.

because you would want the tracker not to go on you etc.

also isnt hockey tracker what happened to that claim kek

I heavily doubt Margot is the second scum. Between the two of them, LQ would've been the PR so I don't see why they 1v1 each other here. Scum desperately needed its Rolecop, so it makes no sense to bus him.

holy fuck ok ok .

margot isn't scum xD

ig margot is just being utr'd

[GrandpaMo]

also isnt hockey tracker what happened to that claim kek

Ythan is hockey (also hi!!!)

Also, hello GrandpaMo.

Hi Gramps thanks for subbing in.

Also hello again, Grandpa.

nice to play wit yall again.

strangematter, im still mad at how i pushed all of day 1 that one game and then u had to replace:(

turns out i was right that u were scum

[GrandpaMo]

I don’t play scum very well or even be interested in playing a scum game. A game of don’t get caught by everyone else is kind of boring, except hunting for PRs, that’s really the only fun part. Fun to me is not knowing in this game.

u replace all the time as scum...?

[GrandpaMo]

A bit short on time rn but I will say this:

The thing that gives me pause regarding Clasko is how LQ treated the slot. In retrospect, some of the scummiest posts LQ made (e.g. 69, 250) were regarding Clasko (the former of which especially doesn't feel SvS), and the sheer awkwardness of 276 gives me the impression that he was trying to get a cheap misyeet on Clasko but chickened out as soon as I commented on it.

Alstro does at times interact with LQ, but when they do it's mostly about things that matter less in the long run (see 131 -> 136 and 179 -> 182 for examples). The one thing that makes me a bit less sure is 315.

The multi-iso I've been running so far doesn't include T3 due to the limit of three, but from what I have been able to see, 172 -> 177 gives me some possible distancing vibes, and I've yet to fully verify the validity of Clasko's 306 but the final paragraph of it should give you an idea of what it could be.

yea i just looked backed on it -- i thought lq was bussing this slot lol but it just looks like an easy mislynch on an afk after lq was getting pushed .

me the only push lq had on me -- makes me town there

[GrandpaMo]

Sorry for double quote

sorry alstro , you have to concede here buddy.

[GrandpaMo]

ok i claim doc, lets vote already.

[GrandpaMo]

Okay so seeing these last pages play out, there are two possibilities. One, T3 is scum but no one besides Egix is with me, and it seems quite unlikely that that will change before the deadline, so we'll have to wait until PoE or tracker catches him to resolve that. Two, T3 is town and I'm barking up the wrong tree, which would usually have a limited downside because it's still an interaction I can get info from, but in this case, it appears the more I push the more I get run-up, because I don't want to spell out what I think is happening behind the scenes and why I think it's less good than everyone else seems to think. Still, based on what I've read in the thread, I suspect I've likely inadvertently damaged the crap out of T3's plan if he is town. Let me try putting it this way, getting a little more direct without spelling everything out. To those tracking along with T3's gambit, if your understanding of it relies on key assumption(s) and WIFOM-ing the mafia a bit, what if the assumption(s) isn't correct? That's the trail I'm on.

alstro honestly i think ur town kek

[GrandpaMo]

im scared to read t3 because t3 had pocketed me that one game...

honeslty i just wanna get a revenge vote on him

VOTE: T3

go go go gas this

[GrandpaMo]

I hammered lq though.

honestly i dont think ur maf

i just wanna kill u >:(

[GrandpaMo]

Wow a lot to respond to but I'm going to start by tossing out maybe it doesn't make sense for the doc to CC unless we are pitting Mo against someone, etc. Mo has fakeclaimed PR as town in prior games, or it could be scum!Mo trying to fish out the doctor. The way for scum to save this, I think, is to find the doctor to kill both the PRs ASAP. If Mo is actually doctor, well, I don't think it made sense to claim at all, but Mo's meta adds enough WIFOM that I'm dubious.

tl;dr: if Mo is fakeclaiming doc I don't think that's enough for doc to CC because he has done this as town and would just draw out the actual doc for a nk

stop talking bout my claim and move on.

if im not doc, real doc can evaulate im actually fakeclaiming either as town or scum.

its nai and no point of talking bout it. if scum believe im doc, they just kill me assuming no STUPID cc will come out the way.

just dont focus on it and give scum more info. just please. move on.

[GrandpaMo]

i just die tonight rip

[GrandpaMo]

agh agh agh actually I should have gathered my thoughts instead of posting each one individually. Having thoroughly processed the catchup and in the absence of any cc I find it more likely that the second, town T3 thing is true after all. So, if T3 was scum, it would be for reasons other than what I have been alluding to.

VOTE: Egix because at least T3 did vote for LQ. here are some other things for everyone's consideration, which are more compelling now that I have less reason to believe in my T3 gambit theory:

Spoiler: Egix on LQ

For now, I'm going to VOTE: Egix to try to squeeze some more content out. Question for you: Has your read on LQ changed since 111 given that they've been particularly active, and since the whole slip discussion?

I won't be able to sit down and form a comprehensive, updated read until I am back from visiting my grandparents today, but for the time being I will say that I don't think it's a good idea to yeet the top poster on D1 unless there is a very compelling case for them being scum, because if they flip town it's a huge blow.

early defense

i think this vote my secure that ther is probably 1 maf between alstro and egix?

Smh, 250 looks worse now that I've reviewed LQ's posts and seen that he actually had a town lean on Clasko in 127.

On the other hand, I do get mild town feels from 157/159, and as I mentioned earlier, I wouldn't want to jump to conclusions here if it just ends up all being for nothing.

solid hedge

I'd probably still vote LQ first. The flail looked townie, but Margot hasn't really done anything to earn scum points from me. Unless she does some real scummy shit before EoD, I'm putting my vote back on LQ.

I disagree. Aorn I would almost always vote Margot before Quickety.

speaks for itself

What makes you think Margot is scummier?

Eh, it's more that I think she is less towny rather than more scummy, seeing as if I thought anyone were outright scummy I would be hounding them. LQ has 157/159 as I mentioned before, whereas Margot only has the "mixup" I mentioned in 111 (gee that feels like it was ages ago) and although I eased off because of Clasko having a TR on her, it seems that not even he believes in that any more. Also also a bit of "sort by postcount, become werewolf expert".

LQ has made really weird pushes all day while Margot just feels more subdued.

I would say that it's Margot who has been being weird whereas LQ has made opportunistic moves, but now that I've said that... well, that only makes me less right and you more right.

more push on Margot instead of LQ

But yeah, I'm aware of the dilemma: if LQ flips green, I'll feel like a numpty for not having done enough to prevent it, but if he flips red I know I'll look terrible.

[GrandpaMo]

agh agh agh actually I should have gathered my thoughts instead of posting each one individually. Having thoroughly processed the catchup and in the absence of any cc I find it more likely that the second, town T3 thing is true after all. So, if T3 was scum, it would be for reasons other than what I have been alluding to.

VOTE: Egix because at least T3 did vote for LQ. here are some other things for everyone's consideration, which are more compelling now that I have less reason to believe in my T3 gambit theory:

Spoiler: Egix on LQ

For now, I'm going to VOTE: Egix to try to squeeze some more content out. Question for you: Has your read on LQ changed since 111 given that they've been particularly active, and since the whole slip discussion?

I won't be able to sit down and form a comprehensive, updated read until I am back from visiting my grandparents today, but for the time being I will say that I don't think it's a good idea to yeet the top poster on D1 unless there is a very compelling case for them being scum, because if they flip town it's a huge blow.

early defense

Smh, 250 looks worse now that I've reviewed LQ's posts and seen that he actually had a town lean on Clasko in 127.

On the other hand, I do get mild town feels from 157/159, and as I mentioned earlier, I wouldn't want to jump to conclusions here if it just ends up all being for nothing.

solid hedge

I'd probably still vote LQ first. The flail looked townie, but Margot hasn't really done anything to earn scum points from me. Unless she does some real scummy shit before EoD, I'm putting my vote back on LQ.

I disagree. Aorn I would almost always vote Margot before Quickety.

speaks for itself

What makes you think Margot is scummier?

Eh, it's more that I think she is less towny rather than more scummy, seeing as if I thought anyone were outright scummy I would be hounding them. LQ has 157/159 as I mentioned before, whereas Margot only has the "mixup" I mentioned in 111 (gee that feels like it was ages ago) and although I eased off because of Clasko having a TR on her, it seems that not even he believes in that any more. Also also a bit of "sort by postcount, become werewolf expert".

LQ has made really weird pushes all day while Margot just feels more subdued.

I would say that it's Margot who has been being weird whereas LQ has made opportunistic moves, but now that I've said that... well, that only makes me less right and you more right.

more push on Margot instead of LQ

But yeah, I'm aware of the dilemma: if LQ flips green, I'll feel like a numpty for not having done enough to prevent it, but if he flips red I know I'll look terrible.

i quoted it wrong -- here is what i said in resposne to the above quote ^

i think this vote my secure that ther is probably 1 maf between alstro and egix?

[GrandpaMo]

I hammered lq though.

honestly i dont think ur maf

i just wanna kill u >:(

Wow a lot to respond to but I'm going to start by tossing out maybe it doesn't make sense for the doc to CC unless we are pitting Mo against someone, etc. Mo has fakeclaimed PR as town in prior games, or it could be scum!Mo trying to fish out the doctor. The way for scum to save this, I think, is to find the doctor to kill both the PRs ASAP. If Mo is actually doctor, well, I don't think it made sense to claim at all, but Mo's meta adds enough WIFOM that I'm dubious.

tl;dr: if Mo is fakeclaiming doc I don't think that's enough for doc to CC because he has done this as town and would just draw out the actual doc for a nk

stop talking bout my claim and move on.

if im not doc, real doc can evaulate im actually fakeclaiming either as town or scum.

its nai and no point of talking bout it. if scum believe im doc, they just kill me assuming no STUPID cc will come out the way.

just dont focus on it and give scum more info. just please. move on.

i just die tonight rip

Why do you always post the scummiest things possible when trying to gain town cred?

hows this scum?

[GrandpaMo]

If I am limmed I'll reiterate that my PoE is {Egix, T3, Mo} but very much in that order (1, 2, 3). I do recognize that my flip will be helpful, which it better be because after that some scumhunting will be necessary without Ythan.

With less than 12 hours to go I'll shift back to VOTE: T3 but I'll be around this evening (EST) to help prevent a no elim somewhere else if necessary (feels more natural to say prevent instead of save if I'm not crumbing. . . . )

vote egix wit me

VOTE: Egix

i think 86.79% we win this game after this condemn

[GrandpaMo]

I agree, but it seems like you and I are the only ones that feel that way and I don't want to run out of time

nah i think ur doc claim will have ppl unvoting u and vote with the confirmed.

smh yk im the real doc; ill just let u roleswap <3

[GrandpaMo]

So let's not vote out Grandpa and Astromerical, and if one of them dies its probably the other.

... or we are both town?

[GrandpaMo]

rip. i tried to save u alstro. u should have let me claim honestly -- i would have made everyone pivot of u

[GrandpaMo]

this game auto?

VOTE: t3

[GrandpaMo]

rip. i tried to save u alstro. u should have let me claim honestly -- i would have made everyone pivot of u

Didn't want to say anything yesterday, but if you're town, scum would've already known that you weren't Doc since we know your slot wasn't online at all during Night 1. Regardless I'm not sure why you'd expect scum to buy that you'd openly claim Doc for no reason?

what

so im confirmed town from ur pov? because i wasnt online during the night ?

[GrandpaMo]

also forgot tracker was still alive.

UNVOTE: t3

[GrandpaMo]

rip. i tried to save u alstro. u should have let me claim honestly -- i would have made everyone pivot of u

Didn't want to say anything yesterday, but if you're town, scum would've already known that you weren't Doc since we know your slot wasn't online at all during Night 1. Regardless I'm not sure why you'd expect scum to buy that you'd openly claim Doc for no reason?

what

so im confirmed town from ur pov? because i wasnt online during the night ?

Grandpa please read my posts. I said it was impossible for you to be Doc, I don't know how you interpreted that as you being conftown.

because i wouldnt be here as scum and there would have been a nk if i wasnt online no?

[GrandpaMo]

This seems like the least useful time to say that.

btw lame play from you ythan. i highly suggest fake claiming tracked on either rosa or t3 lol

and get to reaction test them

[GrandpaMo]

Ok, actually no, I've gone back through the ISOs for d1, and it has to be strange. T3 is a distant second, and Roden is lock town for me. For whatever reason, I thought I remembered T3 being kinder to LQ and insisting they were town (which did happen, but way less than I thought).

Strange, however, barely interacted with LQ at all except briefly, and when they did vote for LQ 583 it was guarded, and made a very big point of hedging and giving LQ a way to actually argue their way out of it (which they didn't do, and got zucced as a result)

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Strange

interesting pivot.

[GrandpaMo]

ok also im the actual tracker. thanks for saving my slot ythan. you played a very good roleswap. shows over lets to get the actual biz.

im the actual tracker.

strangematter actually visited the dead person today > that makes them scum ggs.

[GrandpaMo]

What if roden is scum though

smh i called roden scum but no one listend and just said they were town with the interactions before hand.

[GrandpaMo]

You never know.

Can you retract now?

I retract my tracked claim of Strange visiting -- That was just a reaction test.

Ythan didn't visit the night kill. They are confirmed VT.

I am the real tracker by the way, if it wasn't obvious through my interactions with Alstro and claiming that PR.

There was a chance where Ythan could have been scum claiming my role, however I checked them now just to make sure.

[GrandpaMo]

Please, just stop adding more confusion into this game GrandpaMo that does nothing, you’re confirmed to pretty much everyone.

it doesn't matter. if you believe ythan, ythan + me is confirmed.

if you believe me, me + ythan is confirmed.

so it doesn't add confusion. there is no confusion to be added.

im the real tracker here. and i am NOT bsing here. ythan did a brilliant playing coming into day 2. and i softed on day 2 eod as well as clasko breadcrumbing in a unique way. if any one can spot it props to u

[GrandpaMo]

Ok fine I'll just claim so we can get T3/Roden to play the game!! I am tracker, im gonna go for the night so i will probs re read game tmr afternoon or smh after work

Anyway.

That claim looks so fake by the way now looking back at it. I know hockeyfan personally, he fakeclaims A LOT.

[GrandpaMo]

Figured someone would CC if it needed CC'ing, and when Ythan came on board and we got through d2, I was like, ah well, guess this is definitely legit then

Ah that would make sense why Clasko didn't CC. They weren't there.

[GrandpaMo]

Anyways Strange might be scum this game

Time to actually try this game and look back at the itneractions

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: T3

For being so low energy. Can't talk about this read much, but I do think T3 doesn't have much vigor this game. He also isn't explaining himself very well. Both things point to him being red.

But since Hockey has played with T3 before I want them to answer if T3 was this low energy in the game they played together. Will check for myself.

VOTE: Clasko

Yeah, I feel like this is money. I think that was an actual slip tbh.

VOTE: Strange

For being uh... strange.

VOTE: Roden

VOTE: alstro

We need some Town cohesion.

lol lq is funny

[GrandpaMo]

Oops.

VOTE: Margot

They literally voted everyone here wtf

[GrandpaMo]

There are 6 people alive.

I think T3 is probably town here.

1:6 > we miscondemn strange > 1:5 > i die > 1:4 > we miscondemn rosa > 1:3 > nightkill > 1:2 >> kill between roden / t3.

[GrandpaMo]

There are 6 people alive.

I think T3 is probably town here.

1:6 > we miscondemn strange > 1:5 > i die > 1:4 > we miscondemn rosa > 1:3 > nightkill > 1:2 >> kill between roden / t3.

It's a 1v5 by the way with 2 confirmed. Then its 1v3 with 1 confirmed which is I believe Elo.

im so bad at this game

i keep forgetting to not include me

[GrandpaMo]

also do u mind being voted off today @sm?

[GrandpaMo]

also do u mind being voted off today @sm?

I absolutely have a problem with being voted off today since the game would go into elo, and to me it’s be a waste of the one of two shots at eliminating scum we have.

but it shouldnt matter no?
becuase if u get limmed and we are wrong then we get another chance tmr.

us catching scum today is way less likely than tmr

[GrandpaMo]

ok lets go vote strange here. together. sheep the tracker.

VOTE: StrangeMatter

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: margot
Honestly I just want to lim margot or strange.

i think margot could be town for just coming to the consesus to vote out strange rather than u.

i feel scum could have just chose an easy target and chose you.

[GrandpaMo]

Grandpa why do you think Margot is town? Do you think he tries to NK the Tracker N1 if he believes I softed Doctor?

VOTE: margot
Honestly I just want to lim margot or strange.

i think margot could be town for just coming to the consesus to vote out strange rather than u.

i feel scum could have just chose an easy target and chose you.

I don't get this at all. First of all, they were the first person to vote me, then T3 votes me (and unvoted), then you. That's not what I consider a consensus vote at all if you ask me. Also the only other person who did vote me was T3 who said afterwards that they were voting me for POE.

lol look at desperate scum tryna stay in the game

[GrandpaMo]

Grandpa why do you think Margot is town? Do you think he tries to NK the Tracker N1 if he believes I softed Doctor?

honestly it doesnt matter. i dont want strange in a f3 regardless -- i feel like we always vote t3 over strange tomorrow if margot is town today

[GrandpaMo]

Grandpa why do you think Margot is town? Do you think he tries to NK the Tracker N1 if he believes I softed Doctor?

honestly it doesnt matter. i dont want strange in a f3 regardless -- i feel like we always vote t3 over strange tomorrow if margot is town today

I’d like for you to explain why you don’t want me in the final 3? Also, what was your night 1 track if you’re tracker

I already explained and the person I had checked -- which clasko did submit a night action for but I believe they replaced -- I kept it. It was alstro visited ythan, the "tracker" claim. That's why no one died at night. Scum targeted Ythan, and Alstro saved them. That's why I claimed doc lmfao. because I knew alstro would come out. im so big brain. Night 2, visited ythan, didint visit anyone. Anyways, you still being weary on my tracker claim, is def weird. I am hard claiming it here just look at Ythan's comments about Clasko. There was even a whole interaction happening with T3. You second guessed yourself in 450, it was a joke. ive played with hockey (know them personally) many times to know he fakeclaims A LOT as town.

anyways ur just outted scum. i think we win the game by voting u. hammer this ythan.

[GrandpaMo]

ythan listen to me, you will be the only confirmed in the f3 if strange is town which i doubt.

but just in case, iso t3 and if they act serious half way vote them out LOL .

jkjk, even tho its like a good scumtell, both ppl have good towncreds on them. margot had been scumread lq by eod and vice versa while t3 hammered lq by accident? scum t3 could do this. margot is being paranoid bout t3 being scum, probably could be a tell for setting up a chain lim since they know strange is flipping scum. but this talk doesnt need to come until day 4. which we are in a rare instance of!!! newd3 setups usuaully end by day 3. but knowing this game have gotten by this long, it means a lot to me personally. anyways bye bye

[GrandpaMo]

wait....


ythan will die >> because its optimal to always nc day 4 in a world of evens. so nc day 4 >> we will be led to a f3 in day 5.

[GrandpaMo]

unless ythan doesnt have to die. the only time ythan doesnt die if scum can presudae / use ythan as a vote goat, and make scum vote with them. there is a chance where roden dies as well. anwyays its good info regardless by nciing

[GrandpaMo]

i feel like we always vote t3 over strange tomorrow if margot is town today

is that not good enough explanation?

[GrandpaMo]

woops forgot this game existed. also lol im not dead..

ythan didnt retract well

[GrandpaMo]

also roden i still maybe do wanna sleep here?

like it does have a poiint of going on.

mafia doesnt have to kill me.

mafia can keep me alive because they would know i would vote against that person. its just more likely a wifom kill at that point. if they dont kill me and kill someone like t3 >> which is a smart play, then roden, if mafia, would have to force a to go against someone weaker etc etc

[GrandpaMo]

but eh maf probably deos kill me

[GrandpaMo]

yall both look bad and good at the same time lol

[GrandpaMo]

there is a possibility where margot is a new player who forgot they had tmi to scum info and didnt know about doc so targeted tracker.

[GrandpaMo]

I'm leaning towards Margot at this point since T3's ISO does add up with his explained thought process. He's also been gradually mistrusting of me which feels natural.

I wanted to vote Margot yesterday because of N1 scum actions not adding up for anyone but her and I'm still pretty sure I'm right about that. The only thing that gives me pause is that T3 could've chosen to no-kill N1, but I'm fairly certain he never directly targets the Tracker N1 because his plan relied on the chance of there being a Doc regardless of his alignment.

Margot's Ate does seem towny tho

I might need to analyze the game.

[GrandpaMo]

sorry

[GrandpaMo]

been busy with school

[GrandpaMo]

I really need Grandpa to start posting, I'm starting to doubt myself and we're already halfway to deadline.

ok ithink ur town. if ur scum u deserve to win

but im like 98% ur not scum

[GrandpaMo]

LQ is probably town ftr
VOTE: lq

okay wow
Hopefully he's VT or maf.
If LQ is something stupid like cop then this will be one of my top 3 mafia fals, along with the fake slip in NQN and the macho 2-shot cop.

CRINGEEEEEEEEEEEE pages 19-23&
LQ is town though.

the problem is that t3 townread lq while hammering

[GrandpaMo]

I do think it's possible T3 is scum, but his thought process here is similar to what I've seen in his past town games. Grandpa ultimately has the final word though since he's the only one that can hammer. If he thinks it's T3 I'm completely open to hearing his case, since I'm never gonna live this down if we fuck up at the end after such a strong D1.

This is my only active game atm so it's got my full attention.

smh imagine not being in like 4 games

[GrandpaMo]

Ok fine I'll just claim so we can get T3/Roden to play the game!! I am tracker, im gonna go for the night so i will probs re read game tmr afternoon or smh after work

Anyway.

That claim looks so fake by the way now looking back at it. I know hockeyfan personally, he fakeclaims A LOT.

I do remember thinking it was a bit odd that everyone took the claim at face value, when it kinda seemed like it wasn't even a serious claim to begin with. Idk

i think margot is most likely to flip town more than t3.

t3 + roden have way more scum equity than you rosa.

you remind me of my newbie game when i played ate and got solved indifferent later

[GrandpaMo]

I do think it's possible T3 is scum, but his thought process here is similar to what I've seen in his past town games. Grandpa ultimately has the final word though since he's the only one that can hammer. If he thinks it's T3 I'm completely open to hearing his case, since I'm never gonna live this down if we fuck up at the end after such a strong D1.

This is my only active game atm so it's got my full attention.

can u explain that process/

[GrandpaMo]

If anyone says Tracker should claim and then specifically mentions a Doc, it implies a Follow The Cop strat.

I've been saying this for awhile now? Why are you surprised now?

If I softed doc I genuinely don't remember
What how is that a doc soft

BTW if there is a tracker you should claim now.

Why?

If there's no Tracker then we play normally. If there is a Tracker then if there's a Jailkweper they should Jail the Tracker. If there's a FN they should target the Tracker. If there's a Doctor they should protect the Tracker.
Once day 2 hapens we massclaim.
If Doctor/FN is run up to E-1 then just claim 'PR'.

Mafias don't know if there's a FN or a Doctor.

How is this not a Doc soft? Why would I not think you were Doc here?

I think you'll just see as the game goes on. I'm sensing a spicy T3 play and scum might not be happy starting Day 2.

Okay you saying this implies that you

want

tracker to claim d1 f1? If thats true, what do u think the benefit actually is in claiming tracker d1 f1?

I can't answer this unfortunately.

Yep Roden is locktown.
SOUL MASONS

Okey dokey, here is where I am at.

I am getting strong town sense from Margot, contrary to what some others have said. It seems like she is really trying to sort -- some internal back and forth is good. I really liked 53 although I didn't check the math. It reads to me like a newbie who is really determined to put in the work.

Hockey is a town lean for me, though I disagree with the argument in 94 that withholding information is

always

anti-town. If someone is trying to bait a trap or is an investigation role who doesn't want to share results until they have a guilty, etc, there are some cases where that's good to hold back. If T3 was trying to do a spicy town play, which is totally T3, then not spelling out the details is beneficial. But the way that he's making his argument reads town, even if I disagree with it. Although I just realized it could be scum trying to get info on what the play is. Still not enough to change my read though.

T3 is probably town for the exact reason that Hockey outlined -- it's a huge gambit for scum to do right out the gate, so it seems unlikely.

Roden is null. 77 struck me as weird as well, but I don't see why scum would town lock T3 after that risky play. Then again, he then went on to walk back that town lock in 91.

Clasko and Egix are null.

The Astra slot is a sliiiiight scum lean because even with so few posts and the swift replace out, it seemed like she might have been jumping on the LQ wagon, and her RVS vote was also a wagon.

LQ -- I get a bad sense from 125. It reads a bit like complaining about getting scumread with a liiitle smidgeon of omgus, especially considering they imply that T3's gambit isn't scummy in 57 before bringing in a little more setup speculation.

The main thing that gives me pause is the very fact that LQ is a wagon already. It could be a quick and easy miselim. I also have no interest in pushing anyone to E-1 right now, so I'll leave my vote on the Astra slot for now to put a little extra fire on whoever joins in.

Roden knows exactly what is going on and he is locktown for that.

Did you think I knew you were using a strat from a completely different ongoing game?

okey
yes

I think you'll just see as the game goes on. I'm sensing a spicy T3 play and scum might not be happy starting Day 2.

Okay you saying this implies that you

want

tracker to claim d1 f1? If thats true, what do u think the benefit actually is in claiming tracker d1 f1?

I can't answer this unfortunately.

Also wanna ask SM who their two strongest elimination candidates are rn for D1, and why?
I say two, because one is most likely me which you've hinted the potential reasons for in #279 and iterating that doesn't say much.

I say Roden or you right now is my top two candidates for scum has to be you and the former is honestly better to flip than your slot. Roden elim. To me, getting some information involving the meta (of T3 and Roden) is probably more useful than eliminating you because of what some people here consider a slip.

VOTE: Roden

Even if this flips green it means we still have some sort of information, so either way I think this vote is fine.

Imagine threatening to vote a townie out because they refuse to out town power roles. This is such an overtly scummy thought process you might as well be scum claiming.

VOTE: Strange

This is the earliest I directly mention power roles wrt T3. I don't know how I can make it clearer I thought you were Doc.

okey
yes

How would I know about this strat though? I don't typically read ongoing games that I'm not a part of.

I thought you were like "hmmmmmm yes where did t3 get this strat and he won't say why
*looks at ongoing game'*
ok must be town"
VOTE: margot

what happened to this @roden?

[GrandpaMo]

licketys at E-1 lol wtf? I think from Lickety's reactions to being put at e-1 is town+. They arent panicking like scum would nor are they doing damage control(ie giving some last min scumreads to distance from thier maf partner)

Totally misunderstood what e-X rules were. Thought it meant that your vote would only count up to n-1 votes, which meant people couldn't hammer off your vote. I believe the only votes for LQ are Roden, T3 and myself, so I'll correct

VOTE: LQ e-2

its quotes like this that make margot to be town

[GrandpaMo]

I think Roden and T3 could easily be playing mindgames here. Idk. Could go either way.

also this is fun

[GrandpaMo]

t3 uses the excuse that they hammered lq. they hammered lq when townreading lq.

@t3 why did u think it could be roden

[GrandpaMo]

Honestly I just get bad vibes from LQ.
PROTECTIVE SHOULD ALWAYS BE ON TH TRACKER

how did u know there was tracker atp in the game? i dont believe tracker claimed. did u have tmi that tracker was in the game? + protective

[GrandpaMo]

I do think it's possible T3 is scum, but his thought process here is similar to what I've seen in his past town games. Grandpa ultimately has the final word though since he's the only one that can hammer. If he thinks it's T3 I'm completely open to hearing his case, since I'm never gonna live this down if we fuck up at the end after such a strong D1.

This is my only active game atm so it's got my full attention.

can u explain that process/

It's because he went for a gambit with the intention to help town, regardless of whether or not he actually helped town. T3's gambits tend to help the opposite alignment of his own, since he doesn't ever tell people what his gambits actually are until they've already happened. It isn't a hard meta tell, but I don't think I'm saying anything that's incorrect.

what did t3 do to help town. margot did more and actually pushed the lq vote while t3 kept flipping if lq was town or scum. they say they had bad vibes > then townread them > then scumread them > then townread them and hammer them

[GrandpaMo]

Grandpa, if T3 is scum then do you believe he no-killed N1? Or do you think he targeted the Tracker?

For me, in the world where T3 is scum I think he'd have to no-kill. Assuming his explanation of his gambit is a lie, he would've known that I thought he was Doc, so if anyone but him died then that would tip me off that he was scum. In this scenario, that is exactly why he's adamant in saying that he didn't realize I thought he was Doc, because that would make me question what happened on N1. Which...actually makes a lot of sense.

On this, I've been thinking about it and I'd say T3 no-killed, but for another reason.

Like, calculus for a scum when they are playing 1v5 is completely different from 2v4, especially when investigative role is a tracker rather than a cop.

In the latter instance, you want to get rid of as many people as possible as quickly as possible.

In the former, you don't necessarily, especially if there is a chance that you'll be outed as scum if AND ONLY IF you take a night action. Tracker can't work out you're scum unless they track you when you move, and you can bide your time until the doctor is forced to out themselves by virtue of a threat of being lim'd by Town, and/or you can be sure that the tracker won't watch your slot to out you as the scum. As it is, waiting one day was perfect, because it meant that when it got down to elo, there were 4, rather than 3, which is much better odds for scum (Town have a 3/4, rather than 2/3 chance of getting it wrong, all else being equal). On top of that, a more experienced player puts all the pressure on players who would otherwise have targeted the tracker and gets all the heat off of them.

In short, it makes the most tactical sense, as I see it, for scum to no kill until doctor is revealed, and I think T3 has been playing long enough to have worked that out

holy shit roden

do u rlly think scum newb says this

[GrandpaMo]

sheesh irdk

[GrandpaMo]

im probably can lim t3 here just because

[GrandpaMo]

lol i was the only that was gonna push roden. margot u shouldnt have quick voted there and listened to dead person's role.

i was still 50 50 on who to vote.

we never should have voted margot there.


roden v t3 was always the spotlight.

t3 not playing as much isnt also AI of them as well i realized.

and no strangematter. u were an amazing kill that day. i dont regret it. i got info that margot was town and that roden could be more suspectible as maf

[GrandpaMo]

its okie tho ggs, had fun. roden u played well

[GrandpaMo]

also sorry for not being there for like deadline it was like semi serious not serious its becauise i was busy but also because roden was so adamnt on getting a kill.

ik it wouldnt have changed anything but more discussion is always pro town +

[GrandpaMo]

100% sure T3 would’ve been the miselim in ELO no matter what so there’s that.

Not saying it can’t but right now it definitely doesn’t prove your point LQ.

eh not true

i could have swayed margot to vote roden with me

[GrandpaMo]

Idk since it didn’t happen.

However that tracker play was almost impossible to have it work if you ask me.

lol i wanted ythan to retract. ythan played it as me a vt is claiming their role and didnt care bouit me

[GrandpaMo]

It would've been difficult, all three of you town read me and nobody really seemed to have a case on me. But I also kept pushing a narrative that made it hard to push me.

i scumread u just as much as i scumread t3. i was still 50/50 and didnt coem back in time for deadline and was leaning actually on voting u .

post 1020 was when i started to develoip my scum narrative on u . i brought how margot was never the vote there and t3 + roden was always the vote here.

then post 1021 and 1022 was when i started pressuring u

post 1025, was me seeing t3's opinion on plausbile scum!roden

then ur progression of posts i didnt like so i got frustrated with u when u kept psuhing rosa instead of t3 which made my scumpings higher for u.

then i went to iso t3 one more time and said idk probably just lim t3 here and let roden get the win here if scum that was my last doubt

[GrandpaMo]

Also would've helped a lot more if it wasn't specifically GrandpaMo who said it. And if anyone isn't informed, GrandpaMo has had a history of claiming PR as VT so yeah it was kind of ruined by its own circumstances.

what where?