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I was going to wait and see how much the votes would build up without me saying anything because it would be funny. But uh me not making the sixth post is not actually self-meta. That was satire.In post 76, redtea wrote:scum probably already willingly bring up self-meta with no provocation, jokingly or defensively, more often than town but has that increased recently or am i just now cottoning onto it- Roden
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It wasn't even an actual self-meta though...
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I...haven't misunderstood anything? You're the one who did.In post 98, redtea wrote:historically people who fail to understand my very clear posts are scum
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An unannounced E-1 is always anti-town, but doing it after everyone was warned of a potential NM quick hammer is even worse. Plus I just don't like how redtea is trying to turn their misunderstanding around onto me.In post 111, Gamma Emerald wrote:Do you think their unannounced E-1 was a scum ploy or is there something else here?
If you're scum then ok, but I don't see how any townie is supposed to know that without a N0 guilty, nothing has happened yet to reasonably say anyone should get hammered.- Roden
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Why the strike?In post 129, MegAzumarill wrote:In post 127, Roden wrote:
An unannounced E-1 is always anti-town,In post 111, Gamma Emerald wrote:Do you think their unannounced E-1 was a scum ploy or is there something else here?
Plus I just don't like how redtea is trying to turn their misunderstanding around onto me.but doing it after everyone was warned of a potential NM quick hammer is even worse.
If you're scum then ok, but I don't see how any townie is supposed to know that without a N0 guilty, nothing has happened yet to reasonably say anyone should get hammered.- Roden
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Ok, but why do you want a quick hammer? And why is Meg posting emojis enough to stop you from quick hammering?In post 130, Enchant wrote:
I wanted quickhammer, but changed mind when noticed Mag was upset, and decided to hold for now.In post 128, Roden wrote:Also Enchant wtf are you doing- Roden
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Because a page 5 quick hammer is almost always bad.In post 133, Enchant wrote:
Why not?In post 132, Roden wrote:
Ok, but why do you want a quick hammer? And why is Meg posting emojis enough to stop you from quick hammering?In post 130, Enchant wrote:
I wanted quickhammer, but changed mind when noticed Mag was upset, and decided to hold for now.In post 128, Roden wrote:Also Enchant wtf are you doing
Idk, honestly. Seems like i turned in wimp with high empathy when i am sleepy. Mostly i really don't care.
Why i am not sleeping?
Weeeeeeell! I need to go now seems.
Quick hammers without a claim are also almost always bad.
Even if Gamma flipped scum here, we'd be going into Night 1 and Day 2 with very little info. If you really wanna hammer him give it a few days first at least.- Roden
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You say we're oppotunistic for voting you. By those same standards, do you not consider your own votes and pushes opportunistic?
In post 50, numberQ wrote:Well it says "Mafia Scum" under Roden's username so I think you're onto something.
VOTE: RodenIn post 52, Not_Mafia wrote:Unironically Roden is scumIn post 53, numberQ wrote:Then vote themIn post 94, numberQ wrote:VOTE: Gamma
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Somewhat agree with this. Shutting down early quick hammers is low effort town cred for scum, and doesn't even consider the possibility that Gamma could be my buddy and that I was trying to save him. That shouldn't really be seen as town indicative.In post 170, MegAzumarill wrote:
TMI that me and Roden are town?In post 166, Egix96 wrote:In post 99, redtea wrote:
I'm trying to be aIn post 86, numberQ wrote:Considering no other things have happened or are happening, I say thing it up. Why is your vote better off the wagon than on it?
littlemore selective in my thingingCome on, that had to have been deliberate.
VOTE: redtea
This is also terrible.In post 133, Enchant wrote:
Why not?In post 132, Roden wrote:
Ok, but why do you want a quick hammer? And why is Meg posting emojis enough to stop you from quick hammering?In post 130, Enchant wrote:
I wanted quickhammer, but changed mind when noticed Mag was upset, and decided to hold for now.In post 128, Roden wrote:Also Enchant wtf are you doing
Idk, honestly. Seems like i turned in wimp with high empathy when i am sleepy. Mostly i really don't care.
Why i am not sleeping?
Weeeeeeell! I need to go now seems.
Side note: Roden is prob town for actually having common sense around the whole quickhammer situation, and also Azumarill to a lesser extent.
Egix, do you have a read on Gamma?- Roden
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It's been a day, and not much has happened since this post. Are you caught up yet? Do you have any opinions?In post 97, mozamis wrote:ok, sorry, didnt realise game had started, catching up, ty- Roden
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I think you're fairly intuitive. What do you think is stagnating the game state?In post 168, Almost50 wrote:I like how this game has nothing going on but everybody's pretending that it's ongoing and forming wagons that get to E-1 too.- Roden
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I get that you're gimmicking this game, but it's obscuring your thought process. Can you explain your votes?
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I'm vibing with this reads list for the most part.In post 180, numberQ wrote:Early reads, in order from towniest to scummiest:
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I can elaborate on any of these if asked but I'm not going to elaborate on all of them right now, too much work.
Why are you town reading Penguin?- Roden
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That's fair, I tend to do the same as well.In post 223, numberQ wrote:
Partially meta. I don't really know what your scum game looks like, but you're giving me the same vibes as from NEP3. You were on side "meme game" in that one, but still, you were town and looked like this.In post 200, Almost50 wrote:
Are you saying the rest of the readlist was serious? because I assumed it was all upside down tbh. If you did mean I was a Town lean to you I would like a short explanation. I don't think i did anything alliance indicative thus far, unless you're meta-reading me. Is that it?In post 199, numberQ wrote:(That was a joke on the same level as when I jokingly implied Gamma was VT, btw)
Otherwise it's just a vague feeling I get from your posts. 168 in particular didn't feel like scum because I don't think scum would blatantly say that instead of giving a few fake reads.
Admittedly, a somewhat weak read. Maybe you should be a couple slots lower, though still in the leantown category.
Penguin questioning and then voting me felt genuine. Idk, I generally townread people who question me and/or scumread me, at least in the early game.In post 220, Roden wrote:
I'm vibing with this reads list for the most part.In post 180, numberQ wrote:Early reads, in order from towniest to scummiest:
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Penguin
Leantown:
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Gamma
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mozamis
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I can elaborate on any of these if asked but I'm not going to elaborate on all of them right now, too much work.
Why are you town reading Penguin?
If you're vibing with it for the most part, what stands out to you as not vibe-worthy?
The only placements that stood out to me were Penguin and Meg. Penguin's posting has been fine, but nothing has stood out to me as particularly townie. And Meg hasn't felt like they've done much to get a scum lean, at least to me. But also Meg is a kind of player that I have to let simmer before I can read them, their town and scum metas are distinct but not immediately obvious.
Like I said earlier though I do mostly vibe with your list, if I were to write one out now it would be almost identical to yours. Which is actually kind of rare for me to have a similar reads list to someone else on Day 1.
Yeahhhh I'm feeling the same at this point.In post 224, numberQ wrote:I can tell I'm not going to enjoy Galron's gimmick, even if I like the source material... It's not even a wild or potentially meme-worthy setup, I don't get bringing RP stuff like that into games like this.
It's a weird spot for me because I want to say yes, that should be enough for someone to claim. But also I don't like that with NM around it basically let's scum get claims out of townies sooner.In post 225, numberQ wrote:So do we treat E-2 like E-1 with N_M around? Like if someone has intent to put Enchant at E-2, he should claim? I'm not saying I have that intent quite yet. Just wondering.- Roden
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VOTE: GalronIn post 222, Galron wrote:
If you take money from these people under false pretenses, you’ll be committing fraud.In post 220, Roden wrote:
I'm vibing with this reads list for the most part.In post 180, numberQ wrote:Early reads, in order from towniest to scummiest:
Town:
Roden
Penguin
Leantown:
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redtea
Gamma
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I can elaborate on any of these if asked but I'm not going to elaborate on all of them right now, too much work.
Why are you town reading Penguin?
VOTE: roden
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In post 173, Roden wrote:
Somewhat agree with this. Shutting down early quick hammers is low effort town cred for scum, and doesn't even consider the possibility that Gamma could be my buddy and that I was trying to save him. That shouldn't really be seen as town indicative.In post 170, MegAzumarill wrote:
TMI that me and Roden are town?In post 166, Egix96 wrote:In post 99, redtea wrote:
I'm trying to be aIn post 86, numberQ wrote:Considering no other things have happened or are happening, I say thing it up. Why is your vote better off the wagon than on it?
littlemore selective in my thingingCome on, that had to have been deliberate.
VOTE: redtea
This is also terrible.In post 133, Enchant wrote:
Why not?In post 132, Roden wrote:
Ok, but why do you want a quick hammer? And why is Meg posting emojis enough to stop you from quick hammering?In post 130, Enchant wrote:
I wanted quickhammer, but changed mind when noticed Mag was upset, and decided to hold for now.In post 128, Roden wrote:Also Enchant wtf are you doing
Idk, honestly. Seems like i turned in wimp with high empathy when i am sleepy. Mostly i really don't care.
Why i am not sleeping?
Weeeeeeell! I need to go now seems.
Side note: Roden is prob town for actually having common sense around the whole quickhammer situation, and also Azumarill to a lesser extent.
Egix, do you have a read on Gamma?- Roden
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I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. If your scum read on me is genuine then you're making it impossible to understand. And I think if you actually scum read me then you would be making a stronger push on me and try to make it clear to everyone else.In post 264, Galron wrote:
Start with the misdemeanors and then, we're gonna' push right on through to the lighter treasons:In post 230, Roden wrote:
VOTE: GalronIn post 222, Galron wrote:
If you take money from these people under false pretenses, you’ll be committing fraud.In post 220, Roden wrote:
I'm vibing with this reads list for the most part.In post 180, numberQ wrote:Early reads, in order from towniest to scummiest:
Town:
Roden
Penguin
Leantown:
A50
ssbm
redtea
Gamma
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Galron
mozamis
Not_Mafia
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Enchant
Egix
Meg
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numberQ
I can elaborate on any of these if asked but I'm not going to elaborate on all of them right now, too much work.
Why are you town reading Penguin?
VOTE: roden
Ok, let's figure each other out. Are these serious votes? If so, why do you scum read me?
In post 172, Roden wrote:Ughhhh...I'm gonna have to keep pushing discussion, aren't I?In post 173, Roden wrote:
Somewhat agree with this. Shutting down early quick hammers is low effort town cred for scum, and doesn't even consider the possibility that Gamma could be my buddy and that I was trying to save him. That shouldn't really be seen as town indicative.In post 170, MegAzumarill wrote:
TMI that me and Roden are town?In post 166, Egix96 wrote:In post 99, redtea wrote:
I'm trying to be aIn post 86, numberQ wrote:Considering no other things have happened or are happening, I say thing it up. Why is your vote better off the wagon than on it?
littlemore selective in my thingingCome on, that had to have been deliberate.
VOTE: redtea
This is also terrible.In post 133, Enchant wrote:
Why not?In post 132, Roden wrote:
Ok, but why do you want a quick hammer? And why is Meg posting emojis enough to stop you from quick hammering?In post 130, Enchant wrote:
I wanted quickhammer, but changed mind when noticed Mag was upset, and decided to hold for now.In post 128, Roden wrote:Also Enchant wtf are you doing
Idk, honestly. Seems like i turned in wimp with high empathy when i am sleepy. Mostly i really don't care.
Why i am not sleeping?
Weeeeeeell! I need to go now seems.
Side note: Roden is prob town for actually having common sense around the whole quickhammer situation, and also Azumarill to a lesser extent.
Egix, do you have a read on Gamma?In post 174, Roden wrote:
It's been a day, and not much has happened since this post. Are you caught up yet? Do you have any opinions?In post 97, mozamis wrote:ok, sorry, didnt realise game had started, catching up, ty
It is exactly the opposite:
In post 178, Roden wrote:I get that you're gimmicking this game, but it's obscuring your thought process. Can you explain your votes?
I think if Enchant flips green then it's possible Galron is scum and his buddies are trying to distract by pushing an easy mis-elim. But if Enchant flips red, which does feel likely, Galron is likely town. I think I can figure out Galron by tomorrow either way, so...
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I don't really follow the logic on this. Scum teams don't usually dogpile, especially this early into the game. They're usually too afraid of associations.In post 233, Enchant wrote:All scum voting me, 100%
Atleast i don't see phrase "WELL NUMBERQ IS PROB SCUM AND WAGONED LET'S WAGON ENCHANT INSTEAD BECAUSE OPENWULF"
Blatant counter wagon, so mafia are Kyouko+Gamma+NumberQ.- Roden
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My bad, I didn't realize how long the quote block was in preview.In post 294, redtea wrote:Jesus Christ y'all spoiler that shit- Roden
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In post 214, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Openwolf enchant is unironically scum
VOTE: Enchant
Q prolly also scum
What's your analysis of Enchant so far?In post 280, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I still think Enchant is most likely here- Roden
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In post 298, redtea wrote:I'm trying to see what you're getting at with if scum!enchant, then town!galron
if there's 2 scum then I get it
if there's 3 then I don't
and 3:10 is balanced right?
I usually assume the bigger number
I should've clarified this better but I was in a rush to post.In post 299, numberQ wrote:Well, we know it's a 3 scum team from the setup. It's just the number of PRs that's up in the air.
And I'm also unsure why scum!Enchant = town!Galron, I figured it was just because Galron is impenetrable to me but if someone else doesn't see it either then maybe it's just a confusing read.
My thought process behind scum!Enchant = town!Galron is that it doesn't make sense for them to be competing SvS wagons. The third scum buddy wouldn't try to counter wagon scum!Galron with scum!Enchant, especially when nobody's really talking and there's so little content that they could easily just push a townie with little to no consequences. Wouldn't hurt to send an invest PR his way regardless of Enchant's flip though.- Roden
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What?In post 312, Gamma Emerald wrote:
lolwutIn post 305, Roden wrote:Enchant, if you're town then you should start questioning your scum reads.- Roden
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I don't see how that's related. How does my read on you and Kyouko have any effect on the fact Enchant is on the chopping block and needs to pursue his scum reads if he's town?In post 314, Gamma Emerald wrote:Afaict enchant SR me and kyouko, do you think we’re town? If so why?
To answer your question though, my suspicion on both of your slots increases the longer this game goes on and as you both continue to not offer content. The fact a universe exists where I have more posts than either of you after Radio Buzz is astonishing and eyebrow-raising.
Has Kyouko finally escaped your Bad Player Jail? Do you have a read on her at all? She put you at E-2 and you didn't even bat an eye.- Roden
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3-4 votes...? Why are you acting like you didn't know Gamma was within NM hammer range?In post 317, Enchant wrote:
I don't think mafia expect from me to help NM with quickhammer.In post 316, redtea wrote:
Sure but the gamma lim came way too close imo for it to be a busIn post 310, Enchant wrote:
Gamma chances being mafia higher than my chances being mafia.In post 309, numberQ wrote:Are you scumreading Gamma?
In theory i should have hammered to avoid this situation at first place (even if town i atleast tried, if scum i am not going on chupping block). Considering love of mafia to bus each other on day1 and then changing votes, i think Gamma could be maf distancing, but not sure here, whatever.
it's not like gamma was a lost cause
3-4 votes not so dangerous imo.
Spoiler: Spoiler tags this time- Roden
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What vibe?
Oh hey, you're playing now.In post 367, Galron wrote:Spoiler:
Roden, you wanted to push me to explain why I was voting you, but when I voted for Enchant, you just let that go.
I was getting almost nothing out of you, and what I was getting was just cryptic. I made it very clear that I was setting you aside for later so that I could evaluate Enchant better. I never said I didn't want you to explain anything, you've just chosen not to.
You dipped out of the game for awhile. :/In post 370, PenguinPower wrote:Probably because you all rush a elim over the weekend when i'm not active.
We were near EoD, and barely anyone was playing, so there wasn't much of a choice here. I was giving Enchant multiple chances to dismantle his wagon, but he just refused and gave up. And even if I hadn't hammered, NM was going to do it anyway because Enchant literally put himself in hammer range.- Roden
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...Except he didn't push his reads, and he got voted out for it. Do you actually think giving up and accepting his mis-elim was the optimal play here? Because the reason he got voted was exactly because of that. He was focused more on teasing quick hammers than actually scum hunting.In post 379, Gamma Emerald wrote:
It means his vibes this game are terrible. Pretty much every time I've faced scum!Roden he's pinged me a certain way, and his comment about Enchant not pushing his reads hit that note.In post 365, Galron wrote:What does that mean he failed the vibe check?
Also I'm just taking this stance from you as that you're either scum fake vibe checking me, or you're town and admitting that you don't actually know how to read me at all. I'm not nearly this aggressive and active as scum, and I would never try to inject life into a dead game. I also wouldn't ever try to give Enchant a chance to save himself by giving him as many outs as I did.
You're free to show examples comparing my actions this game to past scum games though.
Then why are you voting me on vibes and not Kyouko when you scum read her through meta?In post 381, Gamma Emerald wrote:
they can both be scumIn post 373, PenguinPower wrote:
?In post 340, Gamma Emerald wrote:But I do think kyouko hasn’t made much of a splash and might be scum as a result if enchant is town.
No idea tbh. Which is probably the point, it's a low info kill in a low info game. Scum probably just got lucky with Mozamis being a PR.In post 380, Almost50 wrote:Can anyone explain why Moz was the kill here? I don't see a crumb in his ISO, I don't think he made any serious reads, and I don't think he was globally TR'd even.- Roden
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It's not self-meta but I can't really get into why.In post 391, redtea wrote:This new meta of self-meta "I would never" needs to quit tbh- Roden
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Isn't this you?In post 398, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I didn’t mention meta lolIn post 390, Roden wrote:Then why are you voting me on vibes and not Kyouko when you scum read her through meta?
In post 340, Gamma Emerald wrote:
That was poorly communicated then. And this game is kinda just miserable in terms of being engaged with what’s going on. But I do think kyouko hasn’t made much of a splash and might be scum as a result if enchant is town. Kyouko has kinda gone into parole wrt being in bad player jail.In post 326, Roden wrote:
I don't see how that's related. How does my read on you and Kyouko have any effect on the fact Enchant is on the chopping block and needs to pursue his scum reads if he's town?In post 314, Gamma Emerald wrote:Afaict enchant SR me and kyouko, do you think we’re town? If so why?
To answer your question though, my suspicion on both of your slots increases the longer this game goes on and as you both continue to not offer content. The fact a universe exists where I have more posts than either of you after Radio Buzz is astonishing and eyebrow-raising.
Has Kyouko finally escaped your Bad Player Jail? Do you have a read on her at all? She put you at E-2 and you didn't even bat an eye.- Roden
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In post 406, redtea wrote:afaics you're assuming something was implied
No offense but I feel like we're on two completely different wave lengths here. Your responses to my posts are really odd. It's like you're talking to an alternate universe version of myself that wrote something different from what I actually wrote.In post 407, redtea wrote:
I swearIn post 396, Roden wrote:
It's not self-meta but I can't really get into why.In post 391, redtea wrote:This new meta of self-meta "I would never" needs to quit tbh
please just understand the intent behind my posts instead of focusing on slightly differing definitions okay- Roden
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Cool, not what I said. Your push on me is shit, and we both know you'd be at my throat if you actually thought I was scummy. You're usually a very passionate player and I'm seeing none of it here, just half-hearted pushes and unexplained reads.In post 428, Gamma Emerald wrote:You also pick shit apart as scum
What I'm thinking happened here is that you thought this would be one of my LHF games and that I'd get mad and freak out if you put pressure on me. The problem though is that you're not committing and instead making it clear that your push on me is unsubstantiated and has zero merit.- Roden
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...You mean the scum game where I was set to make end game until I was caught by an invest role who's sole purpose was to find my scum role?In post 430, Gamma Emerald wrote:Go read the day phase Roden was eliminated in large normal 235 and tell me you don’t see the validity in my approach.
How is getting caught purely through mechanical means in any way indicative of my scum play?- Roden
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That's scum indicative though? What are you even doing here.In post 431, Gamma Emerald wrote:As for actual town motive, how about the fact that I’m not hard-pushing what is presumably a miselim if I’m scum? Instead I’m letting the vagary simmer
I'm so confused by this because you're acting like this is your preferred way to read me, yet we've played together in eight different games now and you've never done this before. We either kinda ignore each other, find each other as town early on after some prodding, or I ping you in some way that leads you to keep up pressure on me. What you're doing now is none of those, and it's disingenuous to act like this is how you typically try to read me, or really ever try to read anyone.- Roden
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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=GoIn post 430, Gamma Emerald wrote:Go read the day phase Roden was eliminated in large normal 235 and tell me you don’t see the validity in my approach.
For whoever's interested.- Roden
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"Your reaction is bad" is a nothing accusation. I asked you to explain your read and you said no. You then said you purposely made it unsubstantiated. You don't get to make a weak push on me then say I'm reacting poorly and acting hyper defensive when I call you out on your shit.In post 440, Gamma Emerald wrote:
No, but your reaction is still bad. I was SR you before the guilty because of how flipped scum treated you (a lot of blatant ro3 from 2 new scum players). When I started pushing that was when I got the nasty-ass vibes I’m also getting here from that one post. And honestly when I think of it the thing I’m perceiving becomes very transparent: you’re hyper-defensive.In post 437, Roden wrote:Wait, are you claiming a guilty on me...? If so then lol. I 100% 1v1 that every single time.
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1) I didn't insinuate anything. I literally gave an example of how it was NAI.
2) What does this have to do with you shading me?- Roden
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Penguin, can you tell us what's going on in your head? You're the leading wagon and doing nothing about it. Why are you voting Egix? Do you think he's scum? If so, what's your case? If not, why aren't you scum hunting?
You also look like you want to scum read me. Would you prefer to wagon me over Egix? If so, why aren't you voting me? If not, why are you shading me?- Roden
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In post 471, PenguinPower wrote:In post 470, Roden wrote:1) I didn't insinuate anything. I literally gave an example of how it was NAI.In post 465, Roden wrote:it notably got him mis-elim'd in Scarlet Witch.
cool cool.
Penguin can you tell me what NAI means?In post 472, PenguinPower wrote:please tell me more about this "not insinuating anything"
I am most eager to hear it. - Roden
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