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VOTE: datisi

saw him vent

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e-2

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Moderator: catboi
Setup designer: Isis
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Player List

1. Andresvmb
   
2. VP Baltar
   
3. Datisi
   
4. skitter30
   
5. OutWorldER
   
6. Reformed Toxic Player
   
7. Something Smart
   
8. Aristeia
   
9. innocentvillager
   
10. Laplacian
    
11. Frogsterking
    
12. House
    
13. Almost50

Spoiler: Alive

Andresvmb
Almost50
Aristeia
Datisi
Frogsterking
House
innocentvillager
Laplacian
OutWorldER
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skitter30
Something Smart
VP Baltar

Spoiler: Dead

Your name could be here!

LMFAOO

CATBOI WHY THE FUCK DID YOU USE THIS FUCKING RABBIT AS THE FLAVOR

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im not even going to explain its just fucking hilarious that he used *that* specific rabbit pic

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#bunnytossgang

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it has a troubled past

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i will not elaborate and im also yoinking this for this game

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VOTE: Datisi

hold on they made more than just Space Jam??

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hold up i've heard that song before but only in a mashup LMFAO
https://soundcloud.com/paper-jams/cmon- ... -jams-ttyd

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VOTE: innocentvillager
Mans flipped scum and is too nervous to do more than a naked vote

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less questions more votes

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hi andres,

starv and dunya say hi

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Naked votes are not a scumtell.

its an amazing place to start :3

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hi andres,

starv and dunya say hi

I’m in a game that StarV is modding somewhere else. Should be fun.

oh hey 1612

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baltar are u scum

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even if datisi was modconfirmed mafia to me, i would never vote him out day 1 <3

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that being said i have fuzzy feelings about datisi's alignment rn :3

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even if datisi was modconfirmed mafia to me, i would never vote him out day 1 <3

this is so cheeky if you are mafia with datisi ~.~

what if we were masons?

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laplacian i think u could be town talk to me :3

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Laplacian do u hate me :c I wanna talk to u and u ignore me :c :c :C

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nooo i wanna talk about the game >:(

what do you think so far :3 do you like innocentvillager? i think he is stinky hehe

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i can be whoever you want me to be :3

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im buddying people :3

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so you're scum with someone else?? :O

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221 is a post that i *really* want to call bad for reasons that would most definitely get easily disputed and ultimately do not actually mean anything

which is reminding me of the fact how useful it would be to have iv actually play the darn game if he's town

i think its bad too :3

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IV, how do you feel about Laplacian :3

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whats meh :3

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they only reach obvtown status when they are actually town - fixed it for u

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i think ari is town :3

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ari v house is tvt

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Nope :3

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You called me mafia so im all set hehe

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Don't care im im control today and we're limming in my poe hehe

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You have my solve in the bottom half so;3

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I spectated a game with frog and theyre very different tonally here ^.^

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I consider myself old school mafia wise and ive been playing since 2016 lol

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Glad to not be at the top there for once datisi:3

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Ok really frog is town theyre just pushing silly strategy which isnt scummy just ambitious :3

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Not to vt tell but i realized that this game is actuslly even easier than i thought because PRs exist

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hey hey ss also has my current solve in the bottom half

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iv needs more votes

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that was easy

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House
innocentvillager

VP Baltar
Frogsterking
Aristeia

Datisi
Laplacian

OutWorldER
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Something_Smart
Andresvmb
skitter30

Almost50

I would be surprised if any in the dark green flipped scum.

Almost red flip = 1-2 in the pink & 0-1 in yellow/light green
Almost green flip = 2 in the pink, 1 in yellow/light green

You have 2/3 scum in your green section. Just step aside pls you were never known for amazing reads uwu :3

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Wait I saw the 3rd green section you're townreadjng 3/3 scum :c

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Im town

Naked votes are not a scumtell.

I agree with both of these posts.

VOTE: innocentvillager

How does this == TMI iv town?

Anyone?

Wait I saw the 3rd green section you're townreadjng 3/3 scum :c

You should learn to shut up while you're ahead.

Just saying.

It's ok pat pat
VOTE: laplacian
I never Townresd this slot btw I just wanted to be the good cop whole people were pushing them to get them to feel hopeful: 3

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my solve has been vp/iv/laplacian for a while now :3 I largely townread everyone else here

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a50 is the only null methinks

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Oh Andresvmb is null too but I can never read him right as town recently anyways but he doesn't seem to have an agenda anyways and I trust his self meta :3

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I think laplacian should be easiest to see as scum but that's just me ig :3

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Pee pee poo poo

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I do what I want

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Skitter see :3

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Oh I didn't actually send the post about why you switched your read on baltsr but I did write up it was a poor reason because it was just discrediting froggy hehe :3

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i dont think house is scum with a50

mostly bc.. house is not mafia =3

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I realized I didn't have to try and get Lap night killed I could just execute them myself.

What is, "stuff scum says" for $800, Alex?

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a50 is the only null methinks

rofl mainslipping

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i mainslipped in the last game i played on this account so some research would have revealed it anyway

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VP is trying to discredit my read on laplacian by attaching it to something irrelevant (my read on IV)
Its pretty clear but my read on IV did soften once i saw them post a lot more.
It's not easy for me to abandon solves i have felt high confidence on due to ego. Obviously i pivoted to laplacian because a) people werent seeing him as scum anymore b) he eas posting more robust thoughts

VP is trying to subtly plant the idea that im scummy for this without directly pushing me because his team is probably in a shit spot because I PoEd them all fast
Shrug

I'm unlikely to unvote laplacian here

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I think laplacian wagon is pure rn btw

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I cant really vocalize it but laplacian isnt a towny bumbling - its something in their language choice and how they approach the game that its from a solved perspective where they know the correct answers but have to avoid them

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I cant really vocalize it but laplacian isnt a towny bumbling - its something in their language choice and how they approach the game that its from a solved perspective where they know the correct answers but have to avoid them

Is it tone, syntax, behavior?

A mix of the first 2.

Fwiw my very first normal game was against a scum vp baltar and i correctly clocked them as scum d2 even through a pr claim

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Those were 2 separate thoughts

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Nah im not wasting discussion space for this conversation

If youre trying to say im scum you should be voting me (:

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And?
Fun fact about mafia: people's reads can change in light of new evidence(posts)

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Why is laplacian town, vp? Since you're so desperate to push a scum me angle

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Ok skitter30 who is scum if it's not within lap -a50 iv - vp baltar -andres


I'm likely to eliminate Andres from that list too soon they're just a difficult read for me

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I see a lot of overthinking and doubt but no solutions

Just because it feels easy doesn't make it wrong

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I guess it's weird to me that you felt that lapla is newbtown but you're ok with lapla getting run over by RTP because you trust RTP to be town because you think RTP!scum is more aggressive?

It's not really a train of thought that makes a lot of sense to me.

Scum case me or stop this pointless line ty

I don't need a Quick style tinfoil where loud and aggressive= wrong

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Your vp Townsend sucks

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Townread

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Why is lap town skitter

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When have I ever aggressively pushed anyone this hard as scum on d1

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Your vp Townsend sucks

well, why?

Ok this town wants to go from a winning games tate to a losing one fuck this

Vote me already I really don't care

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I already see the votes coming I'm not in the mood rn

I fucnjng hand what is probably a perfect poe on a silver platter and I get immediately tinfoil because I have confidence

Well sorry I have the experience to back it up

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Vote me vp

Do it,

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I know you're waiting on a townie to do it first so you're not the one under fire for the vote rofl

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VP IS FUCKJNG SCUM

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When this ate is over, can you tell me your iv read?

Go away

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Vote me or stop talking to me

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I think you're town.

I think OWER's iso regarding you/lapla is not great

nobody is even suspecting you.

OWER IS TOWN

YOURE TOWN

SIITTER IS TOWN

HOUSE IS TOWN

DATISI IS TOWN

just fuckin trust me for d1

This is one of my d1s where I'm fucking up scum just let me do my thing

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ok


ok

crazy

but hear me out:

when someone feels null

but not townie

but when theyre town

they actualyl feel townie(or "scummy")

THAT MEANS THEY ARE SCUM

god.

i feel like im viewing the game from like a completely different pov here

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btw i think

if a50 flips town

skitter is massively sus for trying to defend lap in the way they are


its like active discouragement of a wagon you supposedly dont care about


but also ive seen skitter have a game where they were way off (chain of command) so wee

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So you think Lap is doing a good job playing middle ground to come across null?

i dont think theyre doing a good job at it.

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actually awkward that you ask because im actually losing my townread on you the more you talk but a50 scum flip will completely shut me up and im ok with that wagon existing side by side with lap wagon

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im not a big "explain" person

i just sense energies

and i share those energies

and those energies are very likely to be correct

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their thought process is very jagged

1 dimensional

and not caring



i can sort LHF people that low post

they show cognition even in the low posting

its not difficult if you try to connect the dots

if you cant connect dots -> scummy

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i think SS is in his town meta because as scum he kinda feels different energy wise


and andres i think is also in town meta even tho i havent seen his scum game - but ill leave him alive for 1 day regardless cuz he gets fearkilled a lot bc he really gets stronger as the game goes on

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yes im null on a50 which is - again - why i am ok with the wagon on him rn but i wanna push my own preferred wagon


i like competing wagons

especially if i think theyre scum v scum

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i'm vetoing SS and andres sorry

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frog ur tinfoiling shit because of the "it feels too easy to be a scum wagon" feel

and i get that feel

ive been feeling that too

but its just really

that easy

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andres is like never caught up rofl


SS i could reread to make sure im not wrong but im pretty consistently good at reading SS as ive caught scum him in 2 recent games(well, 1 from spec chat)

tho
uh

tbf i caught him cuz he complained about something that is unfair to scum lol

so maybe my scumdar on him is just when he exits his townrange

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ok well andres' opening is exactly what he would post as town and ive been wrong on him before posting awkward stuff like this as town

like take it from someone who incorrectly tunneled andres while having a perfect PoE (large 236)

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Okay knowing RTP is koba helps and doesn’t help - they’re prolly not as town as I thought they were but i still think they’re townish idk. I don’t trust their D1 read accuracy that much but I think they will eventually converge on better and better reads.

Koba if you want to explain Datisi, Out, skitter I would certainly be open to hearing it, but “energies” is too vague for me to sheep, especially you have me in your solve

do you see me pushing your elimination right now?

or are you using me calling you scum at all not to give me any credibility?

townies never shoot 100% right away thats absurd to think

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?

IV seems to have spewed they arent aware of anything


can u explain what you mean

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frog is still town

stand down

you're exhibiting mason ego

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the level of detail and effort put into that analysis is still towny and you're just lost in the sauce of being masons

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fwiw i think house is more likely neighbors with IV and just townreads IV

this is something to keep in mind if neither flips over the course of the next couple night phases

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house is town

if house is fakeclaiming and willing to throw the game though and IV isn't really a mason ill be really pissed

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stand down

let's not lose sight of the lap wagon

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ok well just fucking vote lap then and we can talk about where to go from there d2.

i honestly have doubts about your mason claim and won't be believing it until one of you 2 are night flipped


if you make it to limlo do not maintain the claim if you truly are just neighbors is all i ask

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i think theyre trying

i didnt say their trying was effective

i literally watched them just flop over as scum, they have an energy tell and they aren't scum here.


i think you and frog shouldnt interact too much because theres a playstytle class there partially too


frog, just solve assuming house is town from here - this isn't a scum gambit. house would lose *2* scum members at once with this, even if it guarantees a mislim or 2 - it can cause an autoloss situation.

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datisiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

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stop interacting with eachother please, you're clashing >.>

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datisiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

what

ur yelling D:

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wait

hahahah

holy shit i thought frogster was a player by the name of frogsfrogs from this normal https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88383

hahahahaha

ok im dumb but frogster is still town ROFL

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in a mason world, a backup claim becomes much more suspicious to me

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absolutely

which is why im sticking my vote here on lap still rofl

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Hardclaim Masons with innocentvillager

Please let this be true

ROFL

TOWN

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Intent to hammer laplacian. Claim.

No one cares what they claim rofl

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You of all people would understand this if you were town

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I care!

ok thats bc u trust every claim and crutch mechs

i point to large 236 where i simply steamroll an FN claim in lieu of a strong scumread on kyouko

This is similar here

I will steamroll this slot no matter what it claims

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If you wanna see effective hood play read my neighbor game from 2020, ydrasse + totally not obvious secret alt were in the hood with me and we used it to stomp :p

I love hoods just when theyre used right xD

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what was that Vigilante claim you used that made no sense?

that weak vigilante claim is the most beautiful disaster i have ever seen

GAIZ I PROMIS I SHOOT TOMORROW Just get the roleblocked hehe!

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we already have claimed uncc masons rofl

We have 0 reason to wait on a claim

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translate: give scum a free pass for a day so they can buy time

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Ok fair point there

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Tbh i would have let off the gas if i didnt have so many townreads

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vetoing any push on datisi until limlo ty