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i think in an alternate universave vfp + val is the scum group
val gets on vfp how vfp takes advantage of this bw
and vfp follows this plan
val's plan 2nd day is to bus vfp for this reason because ima flip town.
after that -- val gets towncred and probably won't be looked at until day 3.
alstro will be in the final 3.
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could it be true that you were doing this just to set me up? why?
do you think that i would be following along with your plan? after all you might be town -- but it will take a long stake at hold. i will be hammered once zyla comes back unfortuntatly. and town will see this lost. vfp will flip scum and eventually get ruled out with the options of NEE. look at how NEE started at zyla my intitial scumread -- then turns to me once the wagon hit.
james is town afterall. this whole thing was an act. an act that got wasted by humility.
you are right @val. this was a town v town scenerio hence why i asked alstro and their thoughts on the sitatuion. could it be that it could be replicating me and JacksonVirgo's and my first newbie game but my frustration and egotistical overconfidence led me to the point where I am town in Virgo's eyes? could it be that James could be following the same thing -- once I laid back everything was quiet between us. But it was too late and I sincerely apologize.
But val you are so wrong and you know it.
You are outright scum. I just know it. Just look at the everything you have followed suit? Did you overcome yourself to seem towny? Like look at me asking the very simple question of you being scum and look at zyla being overly excited. I don't think it may seem excessive? Could it be?
There is a world where you are scum with VFP but once I scumread VFP -- will it be an omgus, is that why I am scumreading you more than VFP right now? It is up to you to decipher that as town.
You failed. And I hope town sees this day 2 after I flip masons with T3.
Unfortunately, that isn't my real claim -- I am just saying this so possible I can openwolf my way out of a hammer and it may or may not happen. T3, could you possibly claim masons with me? Because you won't be voted today. And like I said -- you are one of the one's + cooks, and vfp's alignment's gets solved by tomorrow and VFP is probably the vote tomorrow and town will eventually lose if alstro / val is scum only if VFP flips town somehow and is not scum with Val.
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There is also a world with Cook + Zyla could be scum. There early interactions allign way better than James + Zyla.
You set this shit up for yourself @Val
To make you look town.
You know I am flipping town -- therefore you push for a vote on James while half of town pushes on VFP. The question is who wins in that battle?"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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In post 57, VFP wrote:Grampa likes to pocket me as scum for the record.
He knows that my only weakness is compliments and calling me town!
It may be too late for me, but you all have to stop... gnnnnhr
Grampa is looking town so far.
Zyla maybe town, I don't see anything scum motivated to point out the no lim and as an experienced player probably just isn't used to this.
T3 has a T3 town start so we'll see.
Thats 3 pages, 3 reads! A read per page!
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I didn't mean to quote the second person... Am I doing this to you VFP?
Oh fuck. I am.
This is why you scumread me, isn't it.
But I haven't played with me!scum have I?
You said yourself, so how would this be true?"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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Are you claiming scum?In post 719, Val89 wrote:Are you claiming Mason or no?"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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Also no, I will be claiming cop with a night zero guilty check on James. They aren't scum though.
You are."With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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Why would I fake claim. I am obviously a VT claim if it isn't obvious enough. I wouldn't throw like that.In post 724, Val89 wrote:I'll be honest, I don't consider fake claiming, semi-fake claiming or whatever it is you are trying to do here as town behaviour. Are you walking back your VT claim or not?
I just want to have fun while it lasts -- my progression and game theory will be eventually right. don't @ me post game"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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Holy fuckIn post 725, JamesTheNames wrote:I'm so confused now."With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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vfp should have been the vote today dammit.
does anyoone wanna pivot to me
we get val tmr >>> then cook/zyla day 3"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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with****In post 729, GrandpaMo wrote:vfp should have been the vote today dammit.
does anyoone wanna pivot to me
we get val tmr >>> then cook/zyla day 3"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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lord make up ur mindIn post 741, Val89 wrote:I think we are looking at scum!Grandpa now, and I may actually be eating my hat at some point in the next few days.
That said, we still have 4 days, and there might be some value in letting him flail some more. I'm sure this all supposed to be what scum!Grandpa called "200iq wifom" in his mafia pt last scum game he had, but it might be possible to draw some conclusions from what he did there and draw parallels to this game.
I have changed my mind in that I think it's more likley a red flip than a green flip now, but my concern that seeing this flip green gives us no real information still stands.
Going into the lim while I still have a straight up null read in Cook is also something I'm a little uneasy about."With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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damn i guess im hammered well gl townIn post 732, Cook wrote:
yeah alright i'll pivot to youIn post 729, GrandpaMo wrote: does anyoone wanna pivot to me
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my vote might have already have been there, doesn't matter"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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this looks like a straight omgus imo.In post 741, Val89 wrote:I think we are looking at scum!Grandpa now, and I may actually be eating my hat at some point in the next few days.
That said, we still have 4 days, and there might be some value in letting him flail some more. I'm sure this all supposed to be what scum!Grandpa called "200iq wifom" in his mafia pt last scum game he had, but it might be possible to draw some conclusions from what he did there and draw parallels to this game.
I have changed my mind in that I think it's more likley a red flip than a green flip now, but my concern that seeing this flip green gives us no real information still stands.
Going into the lim while I still have a straight up null read in Cook is also something I'm a little uneasy about.
pls lim val tmr for this.
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after me scumcasing u on a weird ass bs context -- you pivot ur read as scum ? all that quick? when you have litearlly been pushing james as scum with me all game??
isn't the scummiest think you can do is that you flip the narrative.
this looks bad for u imo"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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+1 another time where alstro says they agree wit me but continues to scumread me sad!In post 744, alstroemerial wrote:
This feels silly, likeIn post 742, T3 wrote:Grandpa is town for the reaction.
T3: Grandpa is town
Grandpa: Okay I changed my mind T3 is town now because they didn't hammer me also some meta
T3: Ok Grandpa is town even more
I agree with Grandpa's logic in the reaction, that not hammering at this point is something townie, but also, like, WIFOM at this point on anyone who was under suspicion who goes on to rush a hammer and doesn't, you know? And especially when you consider the meltdown that happened between Grandpa's reaction in 675 and T3's post in 742... I just don't follow the logic at all."With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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In post 750, Val89 wrote:Something else can concerns me is the abrupt change between #711-712 and #713 onwards, in the space of 7 minutes and in response to no-one. I think it's fairly clear he is just throwing stuff out there and hoping something might stick, but if we are wrong about James, then continuing the attack on James would also serve his purpose, surely.
no. i was just thinking how scum could have been you this whole time trying to pocket me for the vote on james but failed and then found this opportunity to quickly pivot onto me. just maybe a world where you + vfp could be scum.
I think there are two things to consider: one, that he knows I've already said that Scum!Grandpa = Town!James, and if he is right about him getting hammered once Zyla comes along, and we see him flip red, continuing an attack on James makes little sense.
i think we are tvt atp. this whole game has been a shit show me it -- me townreading someone to see how they react is the best play for me atp. i am doing a favor for town, to gain reactions from other ppl once i push a narrative that hasnt been pushed before, for example scum!you. after my flip as town, town can look back and see how well or bad you reacted in pressure from accumlated dissonance of my perspective.
Second is the content that James and Grandpa were discussing: which is how he might be scum buddies with either me or T3. Grandpa has in general been rather concerned with finding out who certain people think he might be scum buddies with, if he theoretically flips red. The conversation with James has prompted posts like #704; Grandpa himself has said "person a - yes and ur partner is possibly t3; " in the proceeding post to his sudden change of heart on James. If Zyla is right about Grandpa writing stream-of-consciousness style, it occurs to me it's possible scum!Grandpa realises this is only drawing attention to his scumbuddy and immediately jumps into "Val is bad! Val is BAAAD!!"
why do i do this as scum? just why? why would i do this scum when i already know im in a shit show and know im gettting hammered. heck i just got hammered, again why would i have done this?
I can see where the idea of a {Grandpa, Val} came from. Does anyone recall where the idea of {Grandpa, T3} was first floated, and why? I know we might well be getting into the realm of the pre-flip associative now, but to my recollection T3 was one of those "laid-backs", to borrow Grandpa' term, and hasn't given us all that much to read them with, yet alone to start partnering them off.
it was brought up because no one really found a read wit me and so just paired me with someone who hasnt talked a lot / gave no contribution for example, cook, or t3."With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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claim masons wit me atpIn post 752, T3 wrote:Grandpa claiming vt only comes from towngrandpa."With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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In post 734, Zyla wrote:I want to clarify, that I'm not meaning that to be rude, I'd just personally suggest rereading your posts a couple of times, maybe even check spelling and grammar, not because those are necessary, but because rereading might help make sure your logic sounds like it would make sense to other peopleIn post 735, Zyla wrote:.... sorry for the run on sentence. I'm not the best at doing that while on my phone.lol irony
In post 731, Zyla wrote:I... I thought reading this thread on the way back home would be nice. Now I've just got a headache.
Grandpa, question for you. When you make posts, do you usually just write what you're thinking and hit send?and u think thats scummy? cuz thats how i play as my town playstyle -- i like for town to listen to my thoughts // and gain negative or postiive reactions from them.
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no??In post 758, alstroemerial wrote:
Cook was already voting you so not yetIn post 746, GrandpaMo wrote:damn i guess im hammered well gl town
cook never had voted me"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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fuck i just rememebred them scumreading me but never voting --
well thats embarrassing"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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yea dedass forgot bout that quote and me rambling to vote james wit me hence why i thought they never votedIn post 762, alstroemerial wrote:In post 531, Cook wrote:
imagine if this post was referring to yourselfIn post 526, GrandpaMo wrote:this is the real flailing scum
and realize how accurate that feels as well
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what?In post 763, Val89 wrote:Cook said he was already voting for you in his post.
This sort of thing is starting to drift towards the level of trying to insult our intelligence."With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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how is that a townslip lol
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what does that mean
that doesn't mean they knew there vote was there. dont take words out of context -- "might" was used there to imply an unknown thought.
i just assumed that it never cook had never voted me but only scumread me as tho why they might have said that "might" (scumreading someone can sometimes be mistanktly alligned wit voting)"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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ive done that and i still get scumread lol so i just gave up -- im trying new playstyles:( also tyt if u wanna get to read me rightIn post 773, alstroemerial wrote:
Maybe not immediately "scummy" in my opinion but if it makes it more difficult for your teammates (i.e. other town) then it's probably worth refining a bit. You can share all your thoughts while just making sure to write in a way that is more coherent. Syntax and proofreading go a long wayIn post 757, GrandpaMo wrote:and u think thats scummy? cuz thats how i play as my town playstyle -- i like for town to listen to my thoughts // and gain negative or postiive reactions from them."With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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also try doing what vfp doing a grasp the scumcase on me from vfp's perspective by checking out my scumgame in aliensitter needed. check what vfp was talking bout on how there were similiatires. can you spot any differences? etc"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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In post 780, alstroemerial wrote:what's tyt? I found the alien game and I'm going to look at it tomorrow when I'm more awake
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that was literally my thought process lmfao. u hit on spot on like i was dead ass thinking ways of just everyone being scum closest one i can find is scum in these val, vfp, cook, nee. like with val there is this thing where i wanna trust them for their subsequent posting and their consistency but its like they are now pivoting to me when they have been pushing the same person i have been pushing all game? and it just seems like an omgus.In post 777, alstroemerial wrote:Could be tired-posting hell but here's where my brain is at:
If Grandpa genuinely thought he was hammered (which I think is the case), then his immediately subsequent posts tell a lot. Being like "good luck town" and continuing to maintain being town and working toward a game solve is more town than just being like "lol ok bye"
in my sleepy delirium I want to toss out a half-baked new possibility for us to maybe chew on. What about {VFP, NEE}? Yeah, this means that all of this Val James Grandpa has been a TvTvT clusterf*** with those two watching from the sidelines and feeding the fire every now and then based in part on where the sentiment of the group seems to be going. Consider that they were the H-2 and H-1 posts within 7 posts of each other (585 and 592), maybe trying to give it a burst of momentum? I'm writing this purely off of notes and not going back to the ISOs tonight, but just had this paranoid sinking feeling that what if we're completely off the wrong track and the newbies are just eating each other alive??
then there is cook who coasts and never talked until one point where they just came into the discussion for one moment to scumread me and leave just to never talk again until becoming more active towards the eod.
then there is vfp who townleaning me in the beginning i believe for something i would do as town then starts hard scumreading me based off meta (this is where i want you to look at this from @ alstro hence why im asking u to personally read the game since you are the only one i can trust imo)
then there is NEE who also was scumreading my initial scumread (zyla) then pivots onto me and never becomes active towards eod ever again -- just dies down as i become e-1.
its just intringuing to find that the voting progression followed this pattern:
vfp townreads me
me scumread zyla
zyla scumreads me
zyla votes me
james then follows to votes me
cook scumreads me
alstro townreads me
val townreads me
t3 scumread me
nee implied townread on me (dk for sure on this one)
me scumread james
cook votes me
nee scumreads me
vfp scumreads me
alstro becomes more 50/50 with me
t3 townreads me
vfp votes me
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this game is supppperrr weird.
i get unvoted by nee and hammer just stalls (just seems like i could be town from town's perspective -- mafia would have just hammered me imo)
val now scumreads me all of a sudden (omgus) and scumreads the ppl who i had in my scumtheory
;-; im so lost and confused pls help me t3 what is going on anymore"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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they do xDIn post 786, NorwegianboyEE wrote:These reads from T3 don’t feel real.
t3 does shit when they are town
check out the first game where we were both town hilarious game btw"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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or actually check the same game alstro will check where i was scum and t3 was town -- u would see this from t3!town"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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i have to go to work and will be back around 4 pm est -- this twindle of a shit show has finally died down a little.
i have a question for u nee .. do you think i would i have done all this as scum?
like you even say in post 790, i am confident in my reads -- well yes I am and I do think I am right because i am town and everyone's perspective could be very much info telling off a mindset switch (look at the post where i saw everyone's reads from townreading to more of scumreading)
and in post 789 - to answer ur question -- nah this was just out of parania, it was to stick any last reads so i can brag about it in post game -- really, but in all seriousness, i do kinda see val being scum but atp i also see u as scum too but u might have just wanted the hammer. but then there is james, the same person who ME AND VAL both pushed all game (who val now pushes me? again this vote makes NO sense here . and i still want someone to explain why does town do that if val is town) , which i am having paranoia -- yes i called them tvt towards the late (this mainly for a reaction) to see how well theytook getting townread like i said so they could analyze the response after i die and solve james allignment better and so val doesnt get to control the vote just incase val is scum -- i can explain this bit more. im in a rush rn and have to go now . so ill ttyl"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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In post 815, VFP wrote:Grampa still out right refusing to answer my questions.
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In post 682, GrandpaMo wrote:
i litearlly have called u town multiple times -- what r u talking boutIn post 653, VFP wrote:Grampa you need to make your mind up if I'm scum or not.
You try to pull at my heart strings, don't get the result and shade me as scum.
I'm okay if you want to say I'm scum, but let's not do the little dance!
You talk about James ignoring your questions.
I'm yet to receive answers from you.
i literally still townread u so hard.
i have pointed out multiple times that i townread you. even tho ur wrong on me -- i will not let that get besides me and make me blind that you could just be town doing this.In post 685, GrandpaMo wrote:
i have not seen these actuallyIn post 656, VFP wrote:In post 335, VFP wrote:
Since this was at me.In post 322, GrandpaMo wrote:let me hear those farfetched bs reasons once again
Can you explain this part?
Where have I had farfetched bullshit reasons on anyone?
Since you are talking about people ignoring you Grampa.In post 336, VFP wrote:Also, I've never played with town you, Grampa? Other than a game I replaced into where you were dead.
Why should I know this is town you?
You haven't answered these yet.
hereIn post 689, GrandpaMo wrote:In post 685, GrandpaMo wrote:
i have not seen these actuallyIn post 656, VFP wrote:In post 335, VFP wrote:
Since this was at me.In post 322, GrandpaMo wrote:let me hear those farfetched bs reasons once again
Can you explain this part?
Where have I had farfetched bullshit reasons on anyone?this is where i was just frustrated at people like you and cook where they would they im scum and then literally provide no reason -- or really weak reasoning
since you say meta is a good tool to use then i suggest you use it -- you will see more similarities of my town pov than scum pov from my newbie game and not the aliensitter needed game where there were 3 scum instead of 2In post 336, VFP wrote:Also, I've never played with town you, Grampa? Other than a game I replaced into where you were dead.
Why should I know this is town you?
Since you are talking about people ignoring you Grampa.
You haven't answered these yet."With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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im too smol to undertand this big brain logicIn post 809, Val89 wrote:
Honestly, all the crap he is spouting about "this is my claim but not really" and trying to encourage you to claim Mason looks like heIn post 801, T3 wrote: if I were him I would have claimed a pr to draw the c.istrying to draw a cc."With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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yea i realized that probably was against james nd used for confirmation bias -- hence why i dropped that read (scumreading them for not answering questions - becase u realize u skim and don't even focus on what anyone says anymore and just tryna get past ur thoughts out to town)In post 820, VFP wrote:Those answers were just clear dodging answers.
It's a bitch when you get called out for what you're using as scum reads on others, eh?
but dw i got u
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the one in red was true tho - not dodging anything. i answered ur question truthfullyIn post 821, GrandpaMo wrote:
yea i realized that probably was against james nd used for confirmation bias -- hence why i dropped that read (scumreading them for not answering questions - becase u realize u skim and don't even focus on what anyone says anymore and just tryna get past ur thoughts out to town)In post 820, VFP wrote:Those answers were just clear dodging answers.
It's a bitch when you get called out for what you're using as scum reads on others, eh?
but dw i got u
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You said that I have ignored you but you have implied in your response that I have responded to you but you just didn't like the response.In post 819, VFP wrote:Thats not answering my questions Grampa.
Why would I know this is town you? You said I should know its town you, not that I should meta check you.
And the part about you being frustrated is just a pile of bollocks.
You even say again that my play style is to call you scum for no reason or weak reason. Where do I do this? Are you saying that my town game I do this?
Let me reiterate -- first, that question is an unapproachable question because everyone is different and has a different playstyle that can vary each game. No one is going to know for sure you are scum (unless you are really really obvious which not a lot of people are in this game -- this could be the due to nature of small sample base and paranoia from town). And no one is going to know for sure you are town. This is why I responded to you to read my meta. You even said that I was acting like this in my "Aliensitter Needed!" game where I was scum. So since I know you have seen my iso and how it was similar to that -- I challenged you to read one of my town games and see the similarities in that. Do you see any differences or similarities? That is up for you to decipher if I am town or scum based on how you see I play the game. I said that you should know its town me because of that -- because you can go back and check my town games and see that I have the similarities I would of as now. This was in rebuttal to in which you scumread me for the "Aliensitter Needed!" hence why I brought up meta in the first place because you said yourself that meta is a good tool to use. And I do agree -- I learned a lot. This is why I actually started to say Zyla was misguided town because of there meta in there newbie game, they are playing in a way that is similar (they even have mentioned it multiple times in the thread so I decided to check it out nd before)
Second -- How do you know me being frustrated is wrong? How would you know I am lying? Do you have sources to back this up? Or is just confirmation bias because you know I am scum in your eyes and so me being frustrated seems wrong. Point out the inaccuracies, inconsistency, and the reasons why you may think its wrong frustration. I was just genuinely frustrated at that game -- you can even see in the game. Heck, I even threatened to hammer myself (which I apologize for) so I just left the thread to calm my self. And now I am more calm. At that point of the game -- I had very much confirmation bias in my head into everyone for people I was townreading and scumreading. And after opening new lights / perceptions -- I see how you could be scum, val be scum, james be town, zyla be scum, alstro be scum, NEE be scum (and everyone who I townread can be scum and everyone who I scumread can be town etc) so I reseted my logic. And started again -- that was that whole post of me in 717, me trying to disassemble my logic and figure out and game solve for once. I was disappointed in myself. So to reiterate the answer to the second question, there was a period where dropped their paranoia about me and james and instantly hopped onto you, that's why I townread you at first then everyone dropped off and YOU started playing more aggressive and it just felt everything to me to come up with any reason to scumread someone -- so you chose me , someone who was already being scumread by half + like all this lobby at one point that can be driven easily by a mislim on me. So GG to you if you are scum, because your plan is working. However, if you are town, I hope you stop pushing me for one second -- look at my possible partners (not t3 -- because that's a blatant sheep, and just again why would I make it obvious I am paired with t3 if I were scum? that isn't smart especially after people started pairing us up either way and T3 continued to say I am town and I continued to say they were town. Yes, we would totally do that as scum |: ) so I suggest for you to look at other pairs that could be viable scum and look at this game if I were town in your eyes -- see how things change.
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can u answee my qusestion u aint answer quickIn post 826, NorwegianboyEE wrote:When y’all are ready to move on with the game i’ll revote. Going to sleep IRL now."With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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hereIn post 807, GrandpaMo wrote:i have to go to work and will be back around 4 pm est -- this twindle of a shit show has finally died down a little.
i have a question for u nee .. do you think i would i have done all this as scum?
like you even say in post 790, i am confident in my reads -- well yes I am and I do think I am right because i am town and everyone's perspective could be very much info telling off a mindset switch (look at the post where i saw everyone's reads from townreading to more of scumreading)
and in post 789 - to answer ur question -- nah this was just out of parania, it was to stick any last reads so i can brag about it in post game -- really, but in all seriousness, i do kinda see val being scum but atp i also see u as scum too but u might have just wanted the hammer. but then there is james, the same person who ME AND VAL both pushed all game (who val now pushes me? again this vote makes NO sense here . and i still want someone to explain why does town do that if val is town) , which i am having paranoia -- yes i called them tvt towards the late (this mainly for a reaction) to see how well theytook getting townread like i said so they could analyze the response after i die and solve james allignment better and so val doesnt get to control the vote just incase val is scum -- i can explain this bit more. im in a rush rn and have to go now . so ill ttyl"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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For the second answer -- it actually addresses to everyone in the game.In post 827, GrandpaMo wrote:
You said that I have ignored you but you have implied in your response that I have responded to you but you just didn't like the response.In post 819, VFP wrote:Thats not answering my questions Grampa.
Why would I know this is town you? You said I should know its town you, not that I should meta check you.
And the part about you being frustrated is just a pile of bollocks.
You even say again that my play style is to call you scum for no reason or weak reason. Where do I do this? Are you saying that my town game I do this?
Let me reiterate -- first, that question is an unapproachable question because everyone is different and has a different playstyle that can vary each game. No one is going to know for sure you are scum (unless you are really really obvious which not a lot of people are in this game -- this could be the due to nature of small sample base and paranoia from town). And no one is going to know for sure you are town. This is why I responded to you to read my meta. You even said that I was acting like this in my "Aliensitter Needed!" game where I was scum. So since I know you have seen my iso and how it was similar to that -- I challenged you to read one of my town games and see the similarities in that. Do you see any differences or similarities? That is up for you to decipher if I am town or scum based on how you see I play the game. I said that you should know its town me because of that -- because you can go back and check my town games and see that I have the similarities I would of as now. This was in rebuttal to in which you scumread me for the "Aliensitter Needed!" hence why I brought up meta in the first place because you said yourself that meta is a good tool to use. And I do agree -- I learned a lot. This is why I actually started to say Zyla was misguided town because of there meta in there newbie game, they are playing in a way that is similar (they even have mentioned it multiple times in the thread so I decided to check it out nd before)
Second -- How do you know me being frustrated is wrong? How would you know I am lying? Do you have sources to back this up? Or is just confirmation bias because you know I am scum in your eyes and so me being frustrated seems wrong. Point out the inaccuracies, inconsistency, and the reasons why you may think its wrong frustration. I was just genuinely frustrated at that game -- you can even see in the game. Heck, I even threatened to hammer myself (which I apologize for) so I just left the thread to calm my self. And now I am more calm. At that point of the game -- I had very much confirmation bias in my head into everyone for people I was townreading and scumreading. And after opening new lights / perceptions -- I see how you could be scum, val be scum, james be town, zyla be scum, alstro be scum, NEE be scum (and everyone who I townread can be scum and everyone who I scumread can be town etc) so I reseted my logic. And started again -- that was that whole post of me in 717, me trying to disassemble my logic and figure out and game solve for once. I was disappointed in myself. So to reiterate the answer to the second question, there was a period where dropped their paranoia about me and james and instantly hopped onto you, that's why I townread you at first then everyone dropped off and YOU started playing more aggressive and it just felt everything to me to come up with any reason to scumread someone -- so you chose me , someone who was already being scumread by half + like all this lobby at one point that can be driven easily by a mislim on me. So GG to you if you are scum, because your plan is working. However, if you are town, I hope you stop pushing me for one second -- look at my possible partners (not t3 -- because that's a blatant sheep, and just again why would I make it obvious I am paired with t3 if I were scum? that isn't smart especially after people started pairing us up either way and T3 continued to say I am town and I continued to say they were town. Yes, we would totally do that as scum |: ) so I suggest for you to look at other pairs that could be viable scum and look at this game if I were town in your eyes -- see how things change.
If you have any further questions, comments, or concerns, feel free to address them to my by replying to this specifically.
So please read the second part where I talk about my thought process through that mini mental breakdown I had."With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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What did you get out this answer then that I responded to?In post 789, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Grandpa seems to just be sticking every kind of read towards the wall here. Especially their Val read was quite sudden and came almost out of nowhere.
@GrandpaMo Have you had this read for a long time, or any previous suspicion. Or did you just now start believing Val could be scum?"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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That was the point I was trying to make. Me as scum wouldn't make us obviously paired here. Unless you resonante about wifom?In post 843, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Grandpa claims to have really good meta on T3 being town though. So that might be an potential spew for T3 town if Grandpa flips scum here. I’m considering the possibility that Grandpa pocketed T3."With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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This is so manipulative. If you read I actually gave you examples.In post 835, VFP wrote:Okay, Grampa is just screaming scum now.
[Post]827[post] is a politician response. Doesn't answer and just re directs to a different point.
Let me confirm.
Grampa said I should know his town game.
I challenge why
Grampa is saying my question is unapproachable and basically only says I should read a town game of his.
The original statement from Grampa is that I should town read them. Me asking why is a logical question that can be answered easily if town. For example "you should know I do X as town". The problem is, when Grampa said I should know this is town him, he was trying to manipulate me.
The Second part, is this.
Grampa wants to know what my reasons are and implies that my reasoning is shit.
I challenge this
Grampa says that people like me don't give reasons or weak reasons and this was said because he was frustrated.
I challenge this again.
Grampa does AtE and only focuses on how would I know if he is frustrated.
You can see the key points that Grampa initiated are being ignored here.
Get this politician off the stand! Boo! Boo Grampa!"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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In post 846, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Is this something you would post to a scum partner?In post 755, GrandpaMo wrote:pls let me live t3. u are literally the only one who knows how i play lol
If Grandpa!scum i’m fairly sure T3 town based on these interactions here.
Again, my points exactly. That's why Val's logic is just wrong. No, I am not admitting I am scum -- I am just referencing what Val said earlier."With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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Did you not see what I said in there -- If you look at the first thing I said to val, you would see I had a thought of Val being scummy.In post 834, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I actually find it more scummy that it was an spontaneous read than if you’d had suspicion on Val since early on. I was hoping you’d show evidence of an natural progression to explain your reads, but that was not the response i got."With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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"Key points" I have said my answers like what 3 times now?In post 837, VFP wrote:In post 835, VFP wrote:Okay, Grampa is just screaming scum now.
827 is a politician response. Doesn't answer and just re directs to a different point.
Let me confirm.
Grampa said I should know his town game.
I challenge why
Grampa is saying my question is unapproachable and basically only says I should read a town game of his.
The original statement from Grampa is that I should town read them. Me asking why is a logical question that can be answered easily if town. For example "you should know I do X as town". The problem is, when Grampa said I should know this is town him, he was trying to manipulate me.
The Second part, is this.
Grampa wants to know what my reasons are and implies that my reasoning is shit.
I challenge this
Grampa says that people like me don't give reasons or weak reasons and this was said because he was frustrated.
I challenge this again.
Grampa does AtE and only focuses on how would I know if he is frustrated.
You can see the key points that Grampa initiated are being ignored here.
Get this politician off the stand! Boo! Boo Grampa!
Multiple times -- I have gave you my reasoning and thought process -- I even told it to NEE in post 789 I believe? I am trying to remember on the top my head 00 but I used to reference my source.
You haven't answered my question and nor have done anything I have told you to do. So again, answer my questions -- then maybe you can see how your questions are manipulative. "knowing that i was frustrated" how?
In the game I played with you where I was scum -- you played way differently -- and never pushed me for reasons like these hence why I am asking you to literally yk maybe read the game?
and read my town game and again WHY I KEEP RESORTING TO META because you and I do that."With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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That is the most basic pair you could do at this point if I was scum in your eyes.In post 853, VFP wrote:I'm telling you now, it's just Grampa and T3.
A Val + Grandpa pair is actually way better here for your perspective because you push the POVs through defense but you never have thought of bussing have you?
So if Val was scum irresistible of me being paired -- would you have scumread them for something else?
Again, do what I told you and stop making me bitch you around -- stop pairing me and t3 up and find another one in this game that I could be paired up. then see the game if I was town in your eyes, who would be scum then?"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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Honestly I don't what I want this game. I wanted me to die -- so town could have progressed but hammer stalled (which should show I am town more) and failed so I don't know who to vote or push my ideolistic theories -- because any theory could be scummy in someone else's eyes. I way already scumread by everyone in this lobby at some point.In post 857, VFP wrote:If Grampa is genuine and thinks I'm scum we can agree that there is scum 100% in us and he will put me to E1 to claim.
Also pedit: I hate that vote from cook...."With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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What?In post 863, VFP wrote:If Grampa goes quiet now, take that as a scum claim."With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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You mean wifom to hard defend my scum partner when when my scum partner was getting bussed + voted off by everyone? yea for that LOLIn post 860, Val89 wrote:
Scum in general? Probably not.In post 846, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Is this something you would post to a scum partner?
Grandpa specifically? I think they might just. Open up the mafia PT, and the end-game discussion from his scum gameand do a control-f for "wifom".
It's difficult to follow the trademark Grandpa logic, but if you eventually get anything other than the idea that scum Grandpa has the absolute craziest ideas when it comes to that sort of stuff, let me know.
I haven't gone through the game deep enough to figure out if he actuallydidanything quite as crazy, but it's clear he was at least considering it.
and thats really cuz i was selfish af -- and didnt want to die . i see that more of a town!grandpa doesnt care bout dying vs me as scum which i would try anything not to die"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3- GrandpaMo
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can u explain ur vote? and not caost again?In post 851, Cook wrote:
TL;DR,In post 835, VFP wrote:Okay, Grampa is just screaming scum now.
(vfp impression)Oh My God You Suck, GrandpaMo
(normal voice) Sounds like VFP's going today.
VOTE: VFP
because u voted me ? then now u pivot on to vfp person who i have been pushing??
heck, u even calledme scum and u had reasons but this vote no reasons other than omgus?
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