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Post Post #7075 (ISO) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:24 am

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Here's where I am at the end of this dayphase. To be clear, the greens aren't really towncases (wave should ignore everything above JJD if he wants to avoid the 'signal to noise ratio'), they're just my current feelings. There's some observations for pink and below. JJD and GR are about the same here as in my post earlier. Mostly I wanted to share because I had fun putting it together

TEXCAT -- KIA

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Special Abilities:
Grappling Hook: Can disappear from the game whenever there's a wagon she doesn't like.
Widow's Kiss: Throws obvtown at L-1 with no explanation.

Was obvscum after:
In post 3098, texcat wrote:
In post 3039, Flavor Leaf wrote:The fact that Wheme, Lalendra, and Mylo are on PP also points towards PP town. They’re either scum joining on, or town that is being used a scum sheep votes for scum.

Wheme likely has the worst ISO in this game, to be honest. We had Wave, who I think is town, alongside the masons and Penguin being the only ones on the Wheme wagon initially when PP was picking up steam.
Have you looked at Mylo's ISO? Have you looked at ArcAngel's ISO (though it has improved somewhat with BrawlGuy's replace in)?
In post 3096, Scioness Sajj wrote:After yesterday I feel okay with my vote on Wheme.

I have no idea how Texcat could make that post asking about extension (not to say it looked like giving an extension would suggest answer) and then asks about Mylo.
I have this sneaking suspicion that scum is controlling this game. Perhaps it's just my bad gut. The one advantage that town has over scum is numbers. And we give up that advantage when so many players are not playing.

Yesterday when we started consolidating wagons, it looked like it was going to be either Performer or Wavemode. And then it actually ended up being Performer and Android. And today, it looked like it was going to be Penguin and Robster, but now it's looking like Penguin and Wheme. Based on this alone, I'd say Wavemode and Robster are likely scum.
HIGHLIGHT:
In post 5730, texcat wrote: It came from my very scummy read of TBG's predecessor, ArcAngel.
In post 4028, texcat wrote:I'm pretty sure scum is going to have to kill Ausuka before endgame. :]


Conftown -- Krazy POV


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RAGE CAPS -- the ability to knock back bullshit during a CFD[/quote]

Note: Obviously not conftown for anyone else, since they didn't get my role PM.

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Catchphrase:
"Cheers, love! The cavalry's here!"
Characteristics:
You know he's town because the character is in all the promotional material for the game.


Likely Conftown (Conditional on single flip)

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Hero Selected:
It's a perfect day for some mayhem!

Abilities:
Total Mayhem: Can be hilariously self-destructive
Frag Launcher: Does incredible damage to nearby targets, but struggles to hit snipers like Texcat

Characteristics:
Seems like scum the entire game until PLOT TWIST he was just a confused good guy the entire time.

Note: YES, I CHOSE THE GIFS BEFORE TCHILL WAS CONFTOWN. SO JUNKRAT AND ROADHOG AREN'T ON THE SAME TEAM NOW. DEAL WITH IT.


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Build 'em up, break 'em down.
Abilities:

Armor Pack -- Can keep fellow heroes like Tchill from getting mislynched. Also works on himself.
Build Turret -- Spends day 1 building his turret while ignoring the thread.

Highlights:
In post 2966, wavemode wrote:VOTE: WhemeStar
In post 6938, wavemode wrote: rob also authored post which means he is Satan
In post 7020, Ankamius wrote:Sky + Gamma + Vax townreads

That's tragic
In post 7021, wavemode wrote:unless they're all town

in which case it's *MAGIC*


Close to Locktown

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Catchphrase:
Quit screwing around and get ready to move!

Abilities:
Sprint -- Has the ability to start CFDs to get into close range of sniper scum.
Biotic Field -- Manages to avoid mislynches on his own which is good because apparently Winston's shields are garbage.

Characteristics:
Everyone thinks he's scum for half the game because he has a red visor, and red is always bad.
Everyone complains about his playstyle because they think it comes from Call of Duty.
Should probably be locktown but no one trusts old people.

The reason every apparently decided he's scum:
In post 3062, TehBrawlGuy wrote:oh fuck it's closer than I thought

VOTE: wheme

still open to counterwagons but this is a more useful vote than wave atm
Highlight:
In post 6065, TehBrawlGuy wrote:eh

VOTE: tex

it's just more likely to me

i can some back to sajj if we need my vote to secure lynch


Likely Town -- Not in any particular order


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Don't anger the hamster.
Abilities:
Roll -- Creature transforms into a ball, moving from vote to vote and disrupting wagon positioning
Grappling Claw -- If Creature posts more than the average player in the game, the entire town will think he's obvtown

Highlights:
In post 3453, Creature wrote:VOTE: WhemeStar
In post 6290, Creature wrote:Oh whatever

VOTE: texcat

back to L-1


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Hi I'm still here!
Hi guys.
Hi sorry I'm still here lol.
Hi I'm here sorry
Hi I'm here sorry

***THOSE LAST TWO ARE TWO SEPARATE POSTS***

Abilities:
Wall Climb: Myloninja has the ability to exit the thread at random, but can reappear at critical times
Storm Bow: Myloninja can reach any slot with his votes, making him useful for taking out enemy snipers

Highlights:
In post 3185, Myloninja13 wrote:
In post 3184, TehBrawlGuy wrote:just intent so he claims instead of playing around
I mean, from what I've seen I'm not sure he'd claim regardless but sure lol.

Intent to Hammer Wheme
In post 6308, Myloninja13 wrote:
In post 6307, Creature wrote:Vote him then to ensure we got this hammered
Okay! :D

VOTE: texcat
PLAY OF THE GAME:
In post 6297, Myloninja13 wrote:
In post 6295, Creature wrote:Hi Myloninja

I'm totally seeing you online
Yo, I'm here! :D


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The True Enemy of Humanity is Disorder
Abilities:
Energy Ball -- Able to shape Night Kill Analysis into balls of pure energy


Highlights:
In post 6176, Ankamius wrote:VOTE: texcat

Doesn't matter, I'm not convinced by any of what's going on anymore


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Never stop fighting for what you believe in.
Abilities:
Biotic Rifle -- Skygazer has long range with her votes allowing her to reach enemy snipers
Nano Boost -- Skygazer's incredible sheeping allows her to give wagons the power they need to lynch scum
Sleep Dart -- Skygazer has the ability to lurk through the game except when she's drunkposting

Highlights:
In post 6172, Skygazer wrote:VOTE: texcat

that sajj reads list was town

still TRing TBG

Notes: I think wave's TC here on Dave is much more convincing than wave's TC on Gamma's slot.

Complicated and Conditional Townread


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Justice ain't gonna dispense itself.
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Combat Roll -- Dodge Away from the Game when Scum is at L-1
Deadeye -- Demand claims from multiple people simultaneously
Flashbang -- Blinds himself from Golden Rob sheeping his votes half the game

Characteristic -- Full-blown COWBOY Town Syndrome:
In post 2580, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 2555, Flavor Leaf wrote:Claiming mason. Legit claiming mason.
I want the partner claim or I'm considering this fake.
In post 5687, JarJarDrinks wrote:Can we gat a vote and/or intent on TBG so they can claim already? 2 days left.
In post 5688, JarJarDrinks wrote:Honestly I'd love it is SS and TBG would just both go ahead and claim at this point.
In post 5692, JarJarDrinks wrote:VOTE: Scioness Sajj
In post 6265, JarJarDrinks wrote:I really cant decide if I'd rather a no lynch or join the wagon w/ all the scummy people in the game on it.
In post 6281, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 6279, Scioness Sajj wrote:hint

i'm strongly against nolycnhes
I'm strongly against no-lynches too.

But
In post 6253, Krazy wrote:NOT AN OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT
TehBrawlGuy(4) ~ Kublai Khan(23), Texcat(12), Myloninja13(18), Wavemode(54)
JarJarDrinks() ~
Scioness Sajj(4) ~ Golden Robster(62), JarJarDrinks(66), Hopkirk(28) Tchill13(130),
Texcat (L-1) ~ Krazy(64), Gamma Emerald, Vaxkiller(19) Scioness Sajj(29), TehBrawlGuy(67), Creature(63), Skygazer(10), Ankamius(85),
I cannot join that wagon.

Highlights:
In post 3030, JarJarDrinks wrote:Good point

VOTE: WhemeStar


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Come on, let's bring it together!
Abilities:
Wall ride: Vaxkiller can appear or disappear from the thread at random
Sound Barrier: Make it hard to get a wagon on Vax by never saying anything over two sentences long

Highlights:
In post 3112, Vaxkiller wrote:VOTE: wheme
In post 5986, Vaxkiller wrote:VOTE: texcat

I'll participate in this compromise I guess.


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Only through conflict do we evolve
Possible Scumtells:
In post 143, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 142, Almost50 wrote:
In post 141, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 129, Ausuka wrote:
In post 128, Kublai Khan wrote:Huh. Second time Ausuka is mentioning a traitor.
Yep, and I've explained why I believe there is a traitor. Do you actually scumread me for this?
If you were a traitor and wanted to flag to your team who you are, then bringing up the possibility of a traitor apropos of nothing is a pretty good beacon.
If that's true then dueling on it persistently is another way of signaling it to your team.
*low whistle*

Not bad.
- Unprompted chainsaw defending
- "No, you!"
- Lying ("persistently")

I was voting your for the stupid BS stuff you were doing earlier, you could have ridden that out. But now you are super number 1 scum with a bullet.
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In post 2366, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 2362, Golden Robster wrote:
In post 2229, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’m probably a super strong PR this game and lurking for that reason.
he's softclaiming a strong PR

if he's vt, then he's acting as a decent nk bait

if he's actually pr, then he's painting a big target on himself (unlikely)

if he's scum then he's bringing unneeded attention to himself by acting scummy and saying he'll be conftown
Fine. I can think of a few exceptions to this but they feel a little far-off at the moment.

UNVOTE:
He doesn't re-vote for 26 hours.
In post 2692, Kublai Khan wrote:Spent the last 3 hours sorting through isos and re-skimming Day 2. Here's where I'm currently standing.

Town pile
Ausuka
Hopkirk
Andriod19
Dunnstral
Golden Robster
texcat
PenguinPower
JarJarDrinks

Weaktown
Gamma Emerald
EspeciallyTheLies
Lalendra
Frozen Angel
Pine

Eh... pile
Scioness Sajj
ArcAngel9
Creature (Apparently has a famous meta where he's active as town and lurks as scum. He lurks. But replaces out, which someone (WhemeStar?) sold as being town, but is it?)
WhemeStar

Scum pile
Flavor Leaf
Vaxkiller
Myloninja13
Wavemode


I'm in the group that says that Flavor Leaf's mason buddy needs to claim. On the re-read it just feels like his town & scum read on me & JarJarDrinks keeps flipping depending on whoever is attacking him. There is something manipulative in his play and he's trying to hide it with smoke and mirrors. Like his explanation of his reaction to Golden Robster is all WIFOM. He's basically arguing that there's no excuse for scum to play/react badly. Well of course not. But we catch scum when they do play/react badly. Except when we get placated by WIFOM reasoning.

If his partner is in my town or weaktown list, then I'm happy with three solid town reads to help with POE.
Really dislike that he puts texcat in town pile which seems at odds with his questions earlier. Don't get why GR is townpile, don't get why Pine is weaktown, don't get why Gamma is weak town, kinda have a hard time following the logic in this list. Also not in love with the metoo to Mason buddy claim.
In post 3027, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 3022, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 367, TheRampage wrote:I am cool with being the Lynch, I am nothing special on this side.
I found this from a towngame.
Dude...

You were *in* that towngame. You let me get all tunneled in and then you deflate it with meta you were quasi-aware of.

VOTE: WhemeStar
The main problem I have with this is that it seems so disconnected from why Wheme is scum. It's a convoluted reason to vote for Wheme.
In post 3591, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 3584, Creature wrote:If I really intended to preserve WhemeStar there I would've done PP instead saying it's better to mislynch a VT than doc.
WIFOM.
"Buzzwords are scumtells" -- Taly
In post 3600, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 3593, PenguinPower wrote:Oh yay, Tchill is town.

So is Creature.
What the fuck.

Do people not actually read Creature posts?

Someone needs to link me to a scum-Creature game. All game people have been saying his scum game is obvious. And if it's somehow more obvious than this game, I have to see this for myself.
Why does he not want to find his own example? It's not hard to find player games... Just seems odd to complain about a TR if you're not casing the person, although there are conftown that have done this too.
In post 6340, Kublai Khan wrote:I re-read from 235 to 254.

Town:
Hopkirk
TehBrawlGuy
Myloninja13
Krazy
Skygazer
Ankamius
Golden Robster

Creature:
Creature

Not town:
Wavemode
Tchill13
JarJarDrinks
Gamma Emerald
Vaxkiller

If it weren't for Ankamius' spontaneous decision to announce her candidacy for town leader, she's probably be on the scum-side after that texcat lynch.

VOTE: vaxkiller
I still don't get why GR is town.

Highlights:
In post 3027, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 3022, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 367, TheRampage wrote:I am cool with being the Lynch, I am nothing special on this side.
I found this from a towngame.
Dude...

You were *in* that towngame. You let me get all tunneled in and then you deflate it with meta you were quasi-aware of.

VOTE: WhemeStar


Scumread



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Whole Hog -- Able to knock busses into his teammates
Scrap Gun -- Take down attack helicopters

If scum, here were some tells:
In post 1889, Gamma Emerald wrote:UNVOTE:
honestly the behavior after this slot claimed from a couple people makes me think it's town
is there any other wagon to performer (besides android)? I'll vote performer if it's literally the ONLY option, but if anything else is there I'll probably vote there.
In post 2488, Gamma Emerald wrote:[cut up this wall of text]
VOTE: Kublai Khan
I think this is a good case, and think that the points brought up are valid points.
(this is the next vote, a full REAL LIFE week later)
In post 2839, Gamma Emerald wrote:Honestly I'm more in the mood to vote GoldRob out of those two, PP hasn't been towny per se but GR has been scummy
VOTE: Golden Robster
GR's 2848 for context: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10310730
Also page 115: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=2850
In post 2867, Gamma Emerald wrote:UNVOTE: Actually maybe Rob has a point
In post 2990, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: PenguinPower
For anyone thinking claiming VT makes the person less likely scum I personally think that's a crock of shit. If A50 were still here he'd back me up on VT claiming not being clearing.
Next vote is on PP about a day later.
In post 3954, Gamma Emerald wrote:UNVOTE:
Lalendra explained the issues I had and she seems genuine rn
In post 4073, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: myloninja
honestly all the actual content I've seen from him has been terrible
I'm done beating around the bush here
This is 2 real life days after last unvote.

Highlights:
In post 3318, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3275, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 3267, WhemeStar wrote:and a game I self hammered as doctor because I was frustrated that people didn’t believe my claim because I didn’t claim flavor?

Get your bs out of here
So when your frustrated as town you care about what happens after you get lynched? When your not frustrated all you care about is surviving?
mhm thinking about it it's actually very similar to his first newbie and yet he's playing different
nah fuck dis s*** I think wheme is actually scum
VOTE: Whemestar
In post 5983, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: texcat
eh after a mite of meta I think tex has a decent chance of being scum

Note: Wave's TC here involves Gamma being incisive and aggressive, which seems simply untenable if you look at the duration between votes and the nature of the pushes.

Golden Robster

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Setup Quotes:
"The True Struggle is for the Superiority of Ideas"
Abilities:

Shadow Shift -- can vanish from the game when scum is put to L-1
Biotic Orb -- Golden Robster can Heal or Destroy her teammates. The question is... who are her teammates?

If scum, these were the scum-tells:
In post 3106, Golden Robster wrote:replace out is NAI

claiming VT is scummy
In post 3284, Golden Robster wrote:UNVOTE: Wheme
In post 3286, Golden Robster wrote:VOTE: whemestar
In post 3288, Golden Robster wrote:in my head right now

wheme has a better chance of flipping red since claim is fake

but lynching PP is the better play here on the off-chance it isn't

it just depends on what you believe

Highlights:
In post 3099, Golden Robster wrote:VOTE: Whemestar
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Post Post #7076 (ISO) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:29 am

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No. I'm not going to let the game no-lynch.

Unless Gamma Emerald is absolutely terrible at playing mafia, he wouldn't let a friendly neighbor keep confirm towning himself around. I've got to VOTE: Golden Robster.
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Post Post #7077 (ISO) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:44 am

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In post 7076, Kublai Khan wrote:No. I'm not going to let the game no-lynch.

Unless Gamma Emerald is absolutely terrible at playing mafia, he wouldn't let a friendly neighbor keep confirm towning himself around. I've got to VOTE: Golden Robster.

letting wave keep firing doesn't really /do/ anything though. he's basically conftown regardless of how many people he's hit, and by the time gamma found out he was town, the cat was already out of the bag so to speak

and having wave claim and then killing him is basically the same as killing him beforehand anyway
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Post Post #7078 (ISO) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:45 am

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L-1 alert for GR btw
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Post Post #7079 (ISO) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:46 am

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people can’t read me for shit
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Post Post #7080 (ISO) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:46 am

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I'd really much rather lynch Gamma. He's at 5 right now, so we have the votes.
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Post Post #7081 (ISO) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:47 am

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someone hammer me
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Post Post #7082 (ISO) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:47 am

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Happy to hammer.
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Post Post #7083 (ISO) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:55 am

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JJD AND KK TOMORROW NO BUTS

okay I’m ready do it
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Post Post #7084 (ISO) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:55 am

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Didn't you scumread Gamma and townread GR earlier KK?
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Post Post #7085 (ISO) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:56 am

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KK is 100% scum on my wagon

please lynch it tomorrow
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Post Post #7086 (ISO) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:04 am

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I'm waning on JJD but I feel good about KK or Gamma lynches tomorrow. JJD's not bad though.
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Post Post #7087 (ISO) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:12 am

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Any thoughts on KK flipping from scum to hard town on Gamma (enough to vote GR when Gamma had more votes there despite a townread on GR), based on scum killing PP and Scion over Wave when they knew Wave would be confirmed town?
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Post Post #7088 (ISO) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:26 am

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I think it doesn't hold stock.
If they figured there wasn't a protective, why not kill you? You being alive says they're willing to leave conftowns alive.
If they figured there was a protective, (which is dumb) then why are they off killing claimed VTs instead of hunting for the Doc, especially since they presumably have a small unknown pool to kill in thanks to Tex?

I can't tell whether it's bad town logic or scum justification, though.
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Post Post #7089 (ISO) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:27 am

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Hopkirk has seen the light!!!
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Post Post #7090 (ISO) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:28 am

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Also anyone want to guess how many times tchill will change votes from now to the end of day six? I'm guessing three
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Post Post #7091 (ISO) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:30 am

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Do we have enough people here to CFD to KK, though? I don't think we do, although it would be a welcome change.
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Post Post #7092 (ISO) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:31 am

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With Ank, we could put Gamma to L-2 already.
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Post Post #7093 (ISO) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:34 am

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I need to leave in like half an hour, so CFD might be difficult if scum resist.
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Post Post #7094 (ISO) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:40 am

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VOTE: Gamma Emerald
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Post Post #7095 (ISO) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:41 am

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What's Gamma at now?
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Post Post #7096 (ISO) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:42 am

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Nevermind it's 6 and 6 now, both are at L-2.
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Post Post #7097 (ISO) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:43 am

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Tchill comes back and we've got enough for the Gamma hamma.
There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.
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Post Post #7098 (ISO) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:50 am

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I can move my vote if we're really not doing GR tonight
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Post Post #7099 (ISO) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:52 am

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VOTE: gamma emerald
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