On the Flying Scumsman (Abandoned)

[Unapologetically Foxy]

Also, ugh, you actually made me do actual work in a mafia game, gross. I hope you're happy. >:(

~xoffy

[Cappy]

[Blake X Yang]

Insomnia

, it's boring that you asked 4 self-meta questions and then not followed up with a response when someone replied.

What was the point of it if it was just to see who would reply? If at all?

Also, I have like... 8-9 reads at the moment, and I'm getting better and assessing their strength.

And on the contrary

Ircher

, I did gain some read clarity from my 598, the prompted interaction with

Cena

helped my read of

Disaster's

slot, and his consistency in attitude toward

Blake

reinforces my reads. I want

Pops/Prism

to pick my brain more before I come to a conclusion there. Also,

Flavortown

at that point in the thread said he didn't have any definitive views on what was going on in the game until that point, despite having been involved 100+ posts prior, and hasn't been in the thread today to my perception. It could be an activity difference but I'm less impressed with the slot's response during the conversation that revolved around that post.

-yang

p-edit

Well, let's begin discussion.

1) Why could Titus' entrance come from scum?
2) Is Spiffy's hydra a valid lynch?
3) Do you think that much of Mikoto-Something places too much emphasis on appearing a certain manner?
4) What is one reason to townread Black Hole Defection?

Okay sure, I'll answer these.

1) I mean, anybody's start could be from scum. But Titus is someone I've played a few games with and I'd like to think I can read her by now. Her start seems a little slow for her, but I don't know that it's AI, she seems to actually be busy with things. But she does seem to be holding back a little. That's really the only thing from my perspective. I don't go in for a "oh this person is scum cuz they started by saying/doing x" way of play. I'm always about tone and what brand of defensive people are being, are they lying/hiding something, is what they're doing helping town. So how people start could be absolutely meaningless.

2) With no actual information, isn't everybody? I don't think Spiffy's hydra has given any actual reasons they should be lynched though, and lynching them wouldn't actually give much information to go forward with. I don't know that anyone fits this yet. Most Day 1 lynches really don't from my limited experience.

3) I don't know that I'd say they look like they're going out of their way to have a certain perception, but reading them in isolation, they do have an odd tone that feels performative. Could just be how they're playing their hydra, I couldn't say, I don't have any experience with either head at all. At the same time, I weirdly like them?

4) Their posts have actual content to them. When they're saying anything, they actually link back to things that support their claims or help expand further what it is they mean. They're a hydra that I expect will also continue to give good content that is actually helpful to the town. I just like their logical tone so far. That's a reason enough for me.

I'm still waiting on Pine's opinions on things and to actually catch up, but I hope this kinda gives you a perspective on how I view and think about things?

~xoffy

shiny wallpost!! I'll assess soon and we may continue discussion.

Also, ugh, you actually made me do actual work in a mafia game, gross. I hope you're happy. >:(

~xoffy

feel it h03

Chara

is A fucking +

And I'd love it equally as much if you'd pay more attention to me Half because I don't have a strong grasp on you while others seem to do, and also because I love your posting. Jealous as hell.

[The Searchers]

I'll catch up later. Got an emergency work thing. Sorry SC. I should be free by noon (within about 3 hours 15 minutes.) I probably could be available right at the event but performing is questionable.

~Titus

Ok

@SC Can you still talk to me about your individual spiffy read?

I mean he called pops the greatest evil of this world or something, but i didn't see them ACTUALLY voting or pushing the slot in any way, so... i don't see a particular reason for scumreading spiffy there, so, what else am i missing? Do you think smol is town enough to not have anyone scumreading him? Just trying to understand your trajectory to spiffy

-Farkran

It's not the joke itself but the way I believe he was using to buddy people. See also; his reaction to my vote on him.
I don't think Smol is particularly town but it's also a low-hanging fruit type-push and I think town!Spiff goes elsewhere.

[The Searchers]

I am also fine with our DN vote tho since Ircher disagrees about SB
Also Spiffeh will continue to become easier to read as the game progress

-(this and last post) SC

[Spiffybringer]

I'm glad the Spiffybringer wagon is rolling. I find it hard to believe that the best push town!Spiff comes up with here is Smol Might, basically a troll slot.
I feel better about Imperium w/Nacho's posting spree over the last few pages.

We haven't played together in awhile, so I can understand why you could feel this way. I try not to shove my reads down everyone's throats anymore because it got me into trouble more often than not.

But I think it's a little irresponsible to write Smol Might off just because they've been trolly? I explained that despite their carefree attitude I still find them scummy. What is your read on them?

They're my only real scum read right now and I don't really see the need to "come up" with something better when I don't feel anywhere close with anyone else.

~Spiffy

[Spiffybringer]

Low hanging fruit can be scum too!

~Spiffy

[The Searchers]

hmmmmm

[The Searchers]

where do you see scum in Smol? I just see spam and uselessness

[The Searchers]

Good vibes was basically Fire's posts being open (for lack of better phrasing) and not really pushing an agenda. They read genuine and suit Fire's trollish nature. Perhaps that's a bit weak to townread on, even moderately so, but honestly, the slot feels town to me. There's nothing else to be said.

SirCakez elaborated to me on his Spiffeh read. He said that Spiffeh seems a bit too worried about staying in the spotlight and is going after low-hanging fruit in the form of Smol. While I agree the latter is true, I'm not certain about the former and will need to verify that.
~Ircher

[Spiffybringer]

@SC

seems like they're trying too hard to seem carefree, and their only "meaningful" content so far is their commentary around Hectic's potential posting restriction which is a pretty unhelpful thing to talk about.

Out of everything to break the trollyness with, I think that the Hectic post restriction is a safe place for scum to act like they're contributing without actually saying anything.

In contrast, I feel that Flavortown's progression from troll posts to game content is a lot better. Nothing ground breaking, but actual opinions on players that they can be held accountable for rather than post restriction speculation.

~Spiffy

[Spiffybringer]

Like honestly even having to further elaborate on this makes it seem like I'm more committed to this read than I actually am lmao

I think they're scummy, I'd like pressure on them, and I will reevaluate when they contribute more. If you think I should have a better push, point me towards someone and I can investigate and tell you how I feel about them.

~Spiffy

[The Searchers]

I mean Smol has not posted in ages for one thing.
And they had a little "content" in the form of random SRs.
I can see how the PR thing can be scummy.
Why are you so disengaged? You are making your Smol SR seem stronger than it is.

SC

[The Searchers]

please let me make it clear I am not TRing Smol here

SC

[Spiffybringer]

I don't think I'm disengaged, I'm just being more conservative than you're probably used to.

I recommend you read Day 1 of Titus vs. Alsae, the only Day I was alive. It may give you a more clear perspective on how I play nowadays.

The Smol SR probably seems stronger because it's the only one I really have right now? And I've been called out on it by multiple people and have had to defend it more? Idk

~Spiffy

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Bitmap is trying to talk me away of my vote on blakeyang but i'm not entirely convinced yet. The push was bad, but upon reexamination of their ISO it seems that i was wrong believing that they had stronger scumreads than us. They actually expressed doubts about us early enough, and the progression might make sense. The analysis is still wrong, but not as terrible as i was viewing it before, and blake doesn't look as confident as i thought she was, which may point to wrong town rather than scum.

I am willing to go back to VOTE: egospray and wait for more content from blake.

People in my town bloc right now are cappy, latiguys, black hole, imperium and despair. I'm fine working with them. @black hole i think you should reconsider your vote on cappy.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

WRT smol, my read on there is still weak but i think i can safely say that both hydra heads do not have a particularly strong scumgame, or at least i have been reading them accurately in all games we played recently, and i think they are town here. Refer to waifu upick and my normal with alisae/saudade/etc to see what i mean

-Farkran

[Cappy]

[The Searchers]

I don't think I'm disengaged, I'm just being more conservative than you're probably used to.

I recommend you read Day 1 of Titus vs. Alsae, the only Day I was alive. It may give you a more clear perspective on how I play nowadays.

The Smol SR probably seems stronger because it's the only one I really have right now? And I've been called out on it by multiple people and have had to defend it more? Idk

~Spiffy

My meta is pretty rusty admittedly
I just recently reread Mafiaception which is ancient (but still gold haha)
Why don't you have other SRs?
I will look at that game

SC

[Smol Might]

So this is my first non-IC newbie game. Welcome everyone, and JC especially from our history. I had a custom of posing some introductory questions to get the game started:

1. What is your experience at Mafia
2. How do you play as town
3. How do you play as scum
4. What do you think gives away a player as scum or town

~som

I have issues with this post but ill answer anyways and then give my thoughts on it.

1. Years of experience, to the point where ive been almost selected for Champs at MU more then once.
2 & 3 Have Chemist answer this for me. He knows how I play. Me giving any answer would make it wifom while having him answer for me would tie us together, and it would help me read him based off his answer on me.
4. I think chems answer to the above would help answer this more then anything i could give honestly

the issues i have with this is that no matter what alignment you have, your going to try to make it seem like your town from these answers, even if its nt 100% true. Theyre just not good questions.

wouldnt you get much more info if we posted our latest scum/town games?

[Smol Might]

So this is my first non-IC newbie game. Welcome everyone, and JC especially from our history. I had a custom of posing some introductory questions to get the game started:

1. What is your experience at Mafia
2. How do you play as town
3. How do you play as scum
4. What do you think gives away a player as scum or town

~som

I have issues with this post but ill answer anyways and then give my thoughts on it.

1. Years of experience, to the point where ive been almost selected for Champs at MU more then once.
2 & 3 Have Chemist answer this for me. He knows how I play. Me giving any answer would make it wifom while having him answer for me would tie us together, and it would help me read him based off his answer on me.
4. I think chems answer to the above would help answer this more then anything i could give honestly

the issues i have with this is that no matter what alignment you have, your going to try to make it seem like your town from these answers, even if its nt 100% true. Theyre just not good questions.

wouldnt you get much more info if we posted our latest scum/town games?

-Not E

[Smol Might]

i'm currently a big fan of Smol Might for all the wrong reasons

HAVE NO FEAR! FOR i AM HERE!

that bad boy is just my type

Spoiler:

[Smol Might]

hectic is town for hectic's interactions with farkran

Explain, im still not liking the slot personally?

[Smol Might]

For Farkran: I'm not seeing eye to eye with you on the Cappy read. Can you elaborate?

-Prism

Assuming the post restriction is real, i think hectic is efforting to convey a lot of content to the thread, i wouldn't expect to see that if he was scum. He also looks very similar to how he played the cult game hosted by kerset. These are strong town points from his slot, it's the read i'm most confident on atm. I could see a null read on hectic from you, but a scumread seems really out of place compared to our undertale experience, unless you think he is lying about his post restriction. We could explore that world in d2, given that he specifically said "for this day phase".

-Farkran

THE POST RESTRICTION IS NOT REAL

if you're "exploring it day 2" you're setting hectic up for a mislynch because you're fucking scumn

I like dis

[Cappy]