Yeah, that’s my concern too but we can’t control any of that and the smartest option is to go with your strongest srs. We should never allow what happened D1 to happen again. We hit three towns because some people voted Toog despite not sr him and then he and Vax made bad decisions.In post 4557, MURDERCAT wrote:I think Fred could be scum sure, but I'm not currently convinced by it and I really want to go S>T>S today. But if no one can see LLD or Pooky as options then I guess we will flip there? If we go town Fred to town Noraa it'll really suck though.
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Yeah, that concerns me about Tayl0r’s reads. Neither MC nor Titus should be considered possible scum. The very fact that Tayl0r thinks this, is that I’m not going to follow her reads, even if she was right on the three flips and Noraa.In post 4558, Bell wrote:mmm. Sure.
Personally not willing to go there today (somewhat obviously).
Other people can discuss the Pookie murder if they want.
I don't truly see an issue with his votes without flips. in those areas.
I absolutely don't know whether Pooky is overly defensive as one alignment than as another.
I will give you that it is weird that everyone isn't town reading you at this point.
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Are you saying here you read Fred as a scummy town? Earlier you said you would be down for a Fred wagon saying he is shady and did your read on him change?In post 4653, Noraa wrote:why tho? I mean Murder ..... didnt have the hottest solve yesterday but I mean so? I believe he brought up a valid point. The SRs from Fred on me are hot garbage. I agree with that. They seem opportunistic. I agree with that as well. Nothing else he has said has made him look anything but bad. I agree. He bad. He scummy. So?
From what I could tell in his other games, he's a juicy LHF and everyone jumped on him too fast. Legit I saw that wagon building up and I was like "Oh god Noraa#2 is charging in"
That's what I said earlier and Noraa is putting pressure in this game. I did not read her completed games and I only quickly skimmed 2 of her scum games and 2 of her town games to see what her votes looked like. In 2 of her scum games I quickly skimmed she used by the lines of, "I would like to put pressure or I will put some pressure on you." When I quickly skimmed through 2 of her town games to see what her votes looked like, she did not mention the word pressure when she placed her votes.In post 4661, Gloria Cleary wrote:
I’m going to address other posts but you may join the Toog and MC club for having some bad reads here, primarily Titus and MC.In post 4531, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
its possible that im backwards on you and pooky. i do think one of you is scum but if i really am backwards then im still, perhaps more, confident in titus, fidget, and uno. i think if you and pooky are both town then the last two scum are murdercat and shelly.In post 4529, Bell wrote:I have a headache the size of a small island nation.
Is this going to be taylor's magnum opus? *Checks role Pm* Nope.
@Fidget, @Gloria, Strongest scum read?
@gloria I think I addressed Fred's tone.
@Shellyc: Shelving discussion, need to secure scum death and then I can fidget around. Might hurt teamwork but we'll see.
@Theta, you can't?
I think MC is very likely town, because he’s clearly sorting and that 180 on Noraa and reconsidering of LLD, don’t make a lot of sense coming from scim, and based off Titus’ clearly not having any agenda, tone and meta, I’d probably be willing to eat LLD’s hat if she’s scum here. I don’t know about Fidget or Uno. When I clicked Titus’ link and ISO’d you, I also did a brief skim of other players in this game. What I found was that Adorable clearly doesn’t know Noraa’s meta because she definitely did put pressure on players in that game. Shelley and especially Fidget seem kind of different here but I don’t know if that’s AI.- PookyTheMagicalBear
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she disappeared and i dont think she cares about the game anymore. its not AI but it's whatever.In post 4670, Gloria Cleary wrote:
@Pooky, why did your LLD read change? And if you’re no longer hard tr her, then why aren’t you questioning your Noraa read?In post 4547, MURDERCAT wrote:I don't feel comfortable voting there with Pooky tbh.
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Lol there are plenty of games I've played bad in not sure why you linked that oneIn post 4676, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:if MC is town we're basically doomed:
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That’s probably town indicative though I think. Are you seriously suggesting that if Pooky tried to hard ram through either a Tayl0r or Noraa wagon, you’d tr him for it? His apathy is town indicative not the other way around. Scum!him would be trying to hard drive town wagons. He’s really not doing much to push a scum wincon. I would be a lot more suspicious of the players that are doing this then ones that seem apathetic.In post 4567, MURDERCAT wrote:
Are we doing this again? I think I have a cold so I'm going to go lay down but I'll give you one.In post 4563, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Ok ShadeCat
tell me which vote of mine you find suspicious and why
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uhhhhh ur gonna SR me for how I word things? That's kinda bad to begin with plus those are prolly outdated or something anyways cuz im overgamed which means I rack up games really fast. No, my light SR on Fred is there. Never called him town. I just believe there is that possibility and my SR there is weak anyways so eh.In post 4678, Adorable wrote:
Are you saying here you read Fred as a scummy town? Earlier you said you would be down for a Fred wagon saying he is shady and did your read on him change?In post 4653, Noraa wrote:why tho? I mean Murder ..... didnt have the hottest solve yesterday but I mean so? I believe he brought up a valid point. The SRs from Fred on me are hot garbage. I agree with that. They seem opportunistic. I agree with that as well. Nothing else he has said has made him look anything but bad. I agree. He bad. He scummy. So?
From what I could tell in his other games, he's a juicy LHF and everyone jumped on him too fast. Legit I saw that wagon building up and I was like "Oh god Noraa#2 is charging in"
That's what I said earlier and Noraa is putting pressure in this game. I did not read her completed games and I only quickly skimmed 2 of her scum games and 2 of her town games to see what her votes looked like. In 2 of her scum games I quickly skimmed she used by the lines of, "I would like to put pressure or I will put some pressure on you." When I quickly skimmed through 2 of her town games to see what her votes looked like, she did not mention the word pressure when she placed her votes.In post 4661, Gloria Cleary wrote:
I’m going to address other posts but you may join the Toog and MC club for having some bad reads here, primarily Titus and MC.In post 4531, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
its possible that im backwards on you and pooky. i do think one of you is scum but if i really am backwards then im still, perhaps more, confident in titus, fidget, and uno. i think if you and pooky are both town then the last two scum are murdercat and shelly.In post 4529, Bell wrote:I have a headache the size of a small island nation.
Is this going to be taylor's magnum opus? *Checks role Pm* Nope.
@Fidget, @Gloria, Strongest scum read?
@gloria I think I addressed Fred's tone.
@Shellyc: Shelving discussion, need to secure scum death and then I can fidget around. Might hurt teamwork but we'll see.
@Theta, you can't?
I think MC is very likely town, because he’s clearly sorting and that 180 on Noraa and reconsidering of LLD, don’t make a lot of sense coming from scim, and based off Titus’ clearly not having any agenda, tone and meta, I’d probably be willing to eat LLD’s hat if she’s scum here. I don’t know about Fidget or Uno. When I clicked Titus’ link and ISO’d you, I also did a brief skim of other players in this game. What I found was that Adorable clearly doesn’t know Noraa’s meta because she definitely did put pressure on players in that game. Shelley and especially Fidget seem kind of different here but I don’t know if that’s AI.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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it just finished and i thought it was funnyIn post 4680, MURDERCAT wrote:Lol there are plenty of games I've played bad in not sure why you linked that oneShow"I can't even look at the game anymore.
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But he has been pushing his srs and gotten sr for that? It really doesn’t make a lot of sense what you’re saying here. If I rightly or wrongly have a strong sr and I keep experiencing pushback and getting shouted down. I’m obviously going to back off of it. I think if scum, Pooky would need to get miselims and care a lot less about that.In post 4568, MURDERCAT wrote:
Working towards getting townies to vote with you is working towards a town wincon IMO, even if you end up being wrong.In post 4565, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:nah i just think it's funny that I was right and you're wrong and you go afk and then come back and try to lecture me on working towards a town wincon its wild- Gloria Cleary
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I think we hit two town in that case. I think both you and Pooky are town, not sure about Fidget. I also think Pooky would give the scroll to Tayl0r and not you.In post 4574, Noraa wrote:How about we go pooky -> me -> fidget?
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Yeah I dont want this anymore. Recently a strong TR on Pooky has appeared so im not down for pooky and me dying the same day cuz then that would be max one scum(the third slot)In post 4685, Gloria Cleary wrote:
I think we hit two town in that case. I think both you and Pooky are town, not sure about Fidget. I also think Pooky would give the scroll to Tayl0r and not you.In post 4574, Noraa wrote:How about we go pooky -> me -> fidget?
I wanna take out two SRs of mine in one go.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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My money’s on the latter.In post 4575, MURDERCAT wrote:If Pooky is scum, probably me or MUSH gets shot. If Pooky is town I think taylor gets shot.- Gloria Cleary
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That’s obviously not going to happen, Pooky is almost certainly shooting you, not Noraa.In post 4578, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
i like this idea. we get a ton of info and are almost guaranteed to hit at least one scum. even if its only one scum, thats the info we need to set up tomorrow.In post 4574, Noraa wrote:How about we go pooky -> me -> fidget?
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In post 4579, Noraa wrote:scum pooky would give to me anyways cuz im currently a universal TR
Are you and Tayl0r reading the game?In post 4575, MURDERCAT wrote:If Pooky is scum, probably me or MUSH gets shot. If Pooky is town I think taylor gets shot.- MURDERCAT
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Are you literally agreeing with me in you last post?In post 4690, Gloria Cleary wrote:Are you and Tayl0r reading the game?- Gloria Cleary
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In post 4586, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
nah i'll give it to murdercat so I can talk shit to him in the dead thread after I flip green.In post 4583, Noraa wrote:Pooky will you hand to me?
Wow, are you actually serious about this? Are you actually trying to get yourself killed? Haven’t you been saying you want to kill Tayl0r, so why would you want to give it to an obvious townie?In post 4589, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:big true
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Why do I think that wholever is scum is laughing in the scum PT and letting town just cannibalise itself?In post 4605, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
that was day 1In post 4603, Noraa wrote:bc I was dead set on just spite killing LLD
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How are you sr both murder and Pooky?In post 4610, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
not you. maybe murder sorta. pooky and bell? sure. they were non-presences in the thread until nowIn post 4599, Noraa wrote:
bruh are you trying to tell me that Murder, spooky, and I are the solve here?In post 4596, Tayl0r Swift wrote:the instant we start looking at something other than fred the thread is active again. hmm- Noraa
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The whole scum team probably laughed their ass off while I was getting wagoned day 1 >:(In post 4694, Gloria Cleary wrote:Why do I think that wholever is scum is laughing in the scum PT and letting town just cannibalise itself?Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Not tr this.In post 4635, Flea The Magician wrote:I present you with: some of my reads. composed while I'm space braining on my new meds
Taylor - TL, randomly defensive, seems to be sticking to guns. Smart enough to not create those specific associative tells imo.
Noraa - SL, can't forgive the over-defensiveness earlier and response to drilled, have considered play since and downgraded.
UNOwen - scum. Previous post details this somewhere.
Mush - Town - seems proactive
Lady - Town - want to see more from her, and hope she's well soon <3
Shelly - TL, slot doesn't sit well with me on interactions still but the response to the hurt seemed genuine to me.
MC - Not sure, overconfident in reads.
Pooky - SL, slot isn't sitting well with me, seems to be mostly shitposting and taunting.
Lapsa - SL, What the smeg even is this slot.
Theta - Null Seems rather middle of the road to me.
Fred - scum. Zden was lean, freds entrance was... well I had to triple check when they came in because it's like they were always here, and its 3 straight in at taylor.
Bell - TL. Reads well to me. Should probably go look at the points made against them at some point.
Fidget - Honestly, haven't been paying attention.
Gloria - See above.
Adorable - Forgot about them
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You and I must have extremely different definitions of “playful” and that’s not even a valid basis for that read. It’s also inaccurate.In post 4638, Flea The Magician wrote:ebwopIn post 4635, Flea The Magician wrote:
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Pooky seems quite playful to me.Noraa wrote:I think pooky's town. I feel like pooky has a kind of playful vibe when they are scum.
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