TM 2021: A normal roguelike

[Isis]

Votecount 1.8

• Sirius9121
  (0) -
  
• Augustus
  Caesar
  (1) - Creature
  
• Aristophanes
  (0) -
  
• Datisi
  (0) -
  
• Summer
  Nights
  (0) -
  
• Creature
  (0) -
  
• xofelf
  (0) -
  
• DeasVail
  (0) -
  
• The
  Bulge
  (2) - Datisi, petapan
  
• Adorable
  (0) -
  
• petapan
  (1)- The Bulge
  
• xRECKONERx
  (0)
  
• RCEnigma
  (5) - Augustus Caesar, Summer Nights, Adorable, xRECKONERx, DeasVail,

Not Voting (4) : xofelf, Sirius9121, RCEnigma, Aristophanes
Deadline: (expired on 2021-01-29 21:00:00)
With thirteen alive, it takes seven votes to eliminate and seven votes to skip the day's elimination.

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UT is overwhelmed.

Spoiler:

Ok, this axe is pretty good. But now, a high level enemy, an Ogre, has shown up. They have pretty good health and armor and heavy damage, but poor magic resists. Also, an orc priest is like the worst possible straggler.

Spoiler:

Lemons are for lemonade. Untrod Tripod uses the wand of charming to charm the ogre, and convince it to kill the priest. But then an orc mage shows up, and spams its blink spell in a way that really messes up positioning for using Big Friend for killing it. Orc mages can cast Magic Dart, which never ever misses, like smiting, but unlike smiting, can have its damage reduced by armor points. UT doesn't specialize in armor points though.

Spoiler:

UT uses his axe to smack the mage to death, finishing right when Big Friend has made it over to come help. Now we are at a common awkward situation in crawl. The only enemy left is one that is temporarily loyal. A very very evil thing has to be done. At the first moment of taking damage from UT, the charm spell will be completely broken. Since UT can throw darts and wand magic from far, and this Ogre is a pure melee unit, UT yells at Big Friend to go stand by the wall. For no reason in particular..

The ogre was executed by wand of iceblast bolts. Due to all of his octopus ingenuity, this attempt at inserting him in a dangerous situation to end his life in favor of reincarnation in a screenshot friendly game has failed. Perhaps he is fated to live, and I am going to simply save his file and switch to another roguelike game for the next votecount.

[Sirius9121]

a

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[DeasVail]

VOTE: RCEnigma

I’m fine if people want to wait and see more, but I think I’ve seen enough to be comfortable with an elimination here

Me too, but I don't want to end up being pressured all day tomorrow and feel unable to scumhunt due to that wagon

Why are you expecting a wagon on you? I don't think there are many, if any, votes on you now.

[Creature]

VOTE: RCEnigma

I’m fine if people want to wait and see more, but I think I’ve seen enough to be comfortable with an elimination here

Me too, but I don't want to end up being pressured all day tomorrow and feel unable to scumhunt due to that wagon

Why are you expecting a wagon on you? I don't think there are many, if any, votes on you now.

I mean, RCE probably drops dead today, but tomorrow I may be at risk.

[DeasVail]

I still wonder why you are concerned about the risk of a wagon on you though

[petapan]

i'm cool with moving back to RCE, catchup is meh, unenviable to replace into the position he's in but i'm not reading it as townie, time is running down so we should be running someone up for a claim

VOTE: RCEnigma

[Summer Nights]

i feel bad because i’ve had negative motivation to play mafia lately and been neglecting this, i’m fine w my vote where it is and i’ll try to catchup like... soon i guess sorry

@datisi because i owe you this (and it’s dated by like... a few days), team read through you more and there are things that are +town as they put it (your interactions w adorable, the hectic/reck post, interaction w bulge) the worry seems to be that you’re not... as solvey as you could be/maybe my team wants you to be? like that’s i think the crux of where the issues lie wrt your slot but we recognize that the game is a bit slowgoing/stagnant but ye ye, and also you being like this does make infinity feel good about you for meta reasons but otherwise i actually think some of the worrycresolved itself when read over you in full

[Summer Nights]

saying that i am too tired once more to think about this game sucks but also like... yeah!

[xRECKONERx]

started new job today, energy tanks low, coming in to say i find RCE's catchup supremely whelming which doesn't give me a good reason to move my vote since if i did, it'd be to ari, not someone many people have shown interest in

[RCEnigma]

Not gonna lie it's rough forcing myself to put out content if I'm the defacto elim and the reads won't be heard much next day phase anyway.

I'll say that both the lack of counter wagon and resistance to this elim is indicative of a scum approved elim. That said I kind of believe peta believes their argument, so hunting scum on wagon would have him at the end of the poe as most likely wrong!town in the bunch.

I'll go through some reads by iso. I'm kind of having an issue with getting around adorable interactions though, it's kind of forcing a bias. I think it really comes down to interactions outside of that just being more like side orders and the content around adorable being the meat.

Strong town lamb impression on adorable overall though.

[RCEnigma]

Sirius -

Apparently I'm getting limmed! exciting!

Sticks out as townie in iso but in context is baseless. So maybe just a post to antagonize Datisi as the slot most of their focus has been on early game.

The bravado is a big difference from this post

I'm easily the worst

player here

so they're trying

to make a wagon on me

NO U

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very simple half read list:

artistic boi: very stressed as scum. more prone to theatre. so far so quiet. +town
pink fluff: giant sheep? 128 was some extent to a read BUT only mentions dats/hect/xof/ari/creature? to some extent is always sheeping hect/summer? +scum
bulge boi: really asking other ppl many questions but no... readlists themselves?
heccticc: uh... assuming they are starrling seems very different from starrling from 2175? many reads which im not like 100% sure is a good thing due to town mafia

Adding scum points to adorable for too specific reads and hectic for too many reads is kind of... Idk, Goldilocks I guess but I'd expect scum to be a little more selective about their reasoning when scumreading. Especially if they're up against slots they are familiar with (I'm assuming Datisi and to some degree hectic as well)

I've only really seen Sirius teamreads on Datisi/reck/hectic. Doubtful they just throw reads on partners and ignore everyone else without pressure in those directions. Also consistent with sorting via familiarity first. I'm calling it town indicative.

744 is Sirius' strongest bit of content but I want to engage Sirius on it after these isos so I'll be ommiting it here.

Prob-town slot

[Datisi]

hi rcengima! nice to see you again, though kinda sucks these are the circumstances.

i'm not exactly thrilled about this wagon but also don't necessarily have much better ideas. sirius may have become one of my stronger townleans in this game in the meantime which is kinda sad lmao.

@xof, where did that read on bulge come from, you didn't mention it before? also how is that bigger post working out?

@deas, what is it that made you comfortable with executing rce? (734)

@rce, i'm kinda confused by a part of 760. you don't think sirius would be giving reads "just ... on partners". are you doing preflip, with the same poe that you had when you were on page 7? (i mean, i'm assuming you are, i guess this is more a "did your reads really not develop at all from page 7, and why did you have them in the first place?")

[Augustus Caesar]

Yo, it's Marksman here. There's been a nuclear meltdown in the facility so everyone's busy fixing that and probably getting radiated. I work remotely from home so I've been given the reigns for a little while.

I said I don't *think* it's AI, was sorta hoping for clarification from you or people who know you better than I do about whether or not that's just you as a person or how you play games. I think you and I have played only the one game together(it's possibly two and I suck at remembering), and I was in a hydra in that one so I wasn't working nearly so hard to notice things and get reactions. Your posting since has sorta calmed down in a way that does tell me it might just be how you start games traditionally.

Datisi was also in a hydra in the Haunted Village game you played a while back, and he was scum! See if that changes your impression of him in any way.

Oh so this is just how she typically is? Okay, thanks for that.

Yep.

Sure, I'll go dig out the posts in question. I don't typically link to specific posts as my reading of a person or slot is done holistically and more of an overall tone than specifics, but I can dig out the specific posts I was talking about.
....which I realize that I just misread who Summer was talking about so she didn't actually flipflop on Bulge like I thought I read when she was talking to Datisi when I made up this post so uh nope, that's a bad. Maybe I do need to always link to posts if I think I see something D:

I like that you're writing this post in-real-time like this. I think the misinterpretation is NAI but this realisation in this manner is slightly towny.

Do you have to use a nickname and not her username? I get it's cuz of the avatar but for whatever reason you say Puff and my brain goes "but Pinkball's not in this game? who are you talking about???" every time.
But that aside, I didn't like 157 cuz at the time it happened Datisi's interactions with adorable made sense to me, like he voted a slot he thought was doing confusing things. Just all of his interaction made sense to me, so it felt really weird. But also it felt like the kind of things you would say if you were trying to give an example to a less experienced scumplayer to follow. That hey, if you interact more here, you can make Datisi look worse perhaps and you look better. It might just be Summer is a helpful person in general. Just it all pinged really poorly for me.

Idk, I think Puff is a much better name for her than Adorable, I like the sound of it.
Regarding that Summer post, don't you think it'd be much better suited to the scum PT if its aim is to give Puff some advice or something to follow? I agree that the take itself is a little too tinfoily for my tastes though; the Datisi interaction read fine to me.

@Ari, yes your wallposts did help. Though idk, still felt really weird. Like you coming in with your big wall was all performative. And that's really what my initial you felt off came from. Maybe you're doing your you want people to think the best of you schtick, but it felt saccharine in a bad way. In a no "look see, I'm sweet innocent Ari, I promise!" way. You do raise some really good points and I don't think the content is completely bad. You've moved to null for now. There's just something man. It's not that you don't read genuine this time, it's rather I don't quite get how you're reaching some of the conclusions you are. Then again, I have to remember, you always want to see the best in people always, so your conclusions follow the same sort of logic.(I learned a lot about how you think and why during your video confessionals, see!). But I definitely don't like you comparing my lack of activity to beeboy's. I've posted shit and been trying to contribute in the way that I can. Beeboy has done nothing at all so even putting us in the same basket I don't like.

I like this assessment, seems genuine

[Augustus Caesar]

Pretty sure we're set on beeboy and while my stance that it's mostly NAI remains, I'm not actually against it.

I don't like this insistence that it's still NAI. You saw the meta arguments that have been brought up, so I'd think you would comment about those by this point.

The hop onto you with hectic had a lot to do with a #fuckit attitude. When you asked about me saying you were off I did not just backpedal and I thought my recognizing that the statement was flawed was fine. I did say other things there yaknow. I stand by my defense of Adorable and I really don't see why town wouldn't do what I did there. Defending someone you know to be odd when they are odd makes really good sense to me. And I did not create a narrative of you tunneling on hectic. That was another falter in phrasing which I addressed. I was saying that as scum I would expect you ho stick on something that you could easily make outrage posts about. I thought it would be Hectic's posts. It ended up being Adorable's. I know you have a loud personality, and I am literally not "poisoning the well" with that fact. Nice try tho.

Like the more I think about it while writing this the more it looks to me like a blatant misrep of me in order to discredit me and this read I have on you, and I'm not cool with it.
I would legit Eliminate you if it were my choice. Alas it's not and I must therefore drop it for now. But this is not going away. I am already regretting the unvote I've made in this post and it hasn't even been posted yet.

Oh,I missed the hop off and back onto you. Can you explain why that's "gross"? Because looking at this, "gross" tells me just about as much as "interesting" told you and I'd like a fuller explanation.

I like this. My one qualm is why you kept the unvote if you still scumread him by the end of the post. What's the harm in keeping the vote there?

i like that response from ari

very free flowing

Agreed.

In that post I said I hope you're not raging for the sake of raging giving you an easy slot to tunnel.
Not said: "Reck is tunneling Hectic"
Wow. Tough reading. Definitely some backpedaling needed there. I clarified already that my intent was not to imply you were scumreading Hectic. I never said you were! This isn't a backpedal because it's literally fabricated in your mind!

But here, you said you were specifically talking about me:

I know I'm questioned later on my wording in response to my response to this response, but what I meant by Reck using this to tunnel them, as I believe I put it, is that if Reck sticks to the rage or commentary about this slot and thefact that Alts shouldn't be in this game and gimmicks are dumb rather than providing content I think that is scum indicative and a way to look busy without actually contributing. I haven't read what they've said after that response but I'm hoping they're *doing things* because otherwise this could indicate scum!Reck. I hope that makes things clearer here.

Just that you meant "tunnel" in a different way, not to scumread, but to have a hyperfocus on.

I realize, however, that a tunnel like that could hurt both our reads and the gamestate. I have enough awareness to say to myself "wow, Reck obviously isnt the Elim today. Maybe I should put that aside since it looks like beeboy is the Elim and I don't want to clutter the game at a point when the day is winding to a natural close. Maybe I even said all that in that very post! :O

I literally backed off because it's not going to happen today. I'm not shading you, I'm scumreading youm but I have enough sense not to drag us into a 1v1 right now.

Okay, cool. This answers my earlier question.

if i'm scum here i don't think i even bother pushing this because it's beneficial to have a nothing slot like that going later into the game because people will always distrust it and he's not likely to be a threat, i just keep him constantly on the backburner and push elsewhere. i mean i guess the risk would be that he starts actually playing and gets townread but it's hard for people to overcome their bias toawrd a slot if it gets a late start.

Eh, are you sure about that? It's been obvious to everyone for a while that beeboy either starts playing or gets replaced. and when he plays as town, he can obvtown quite easily. On the other hand, if he gets replaced, the new person may be a lot harder to push than a lurking beeboy. Today is the best time to take a lurker-town-beeboy launch as scum.

[RCEnigma]

@rce, i'm kinda confused by a part of 760. you don't think sirius would be giving reads "just ... on partners". are you doing preflip, with the same poe that you had when you were on page 7? (i mean, i'm assuming you are, i guess this is more a "did your reads really not develop at all from page 7, and why did you have them in the first place?")

The two are unrelated, more like if sirius flipped scum the likelihood that the subset of (Datisi, reck, hectic) mentioned slots is significantly lower. I doubt that changes going through the rest of the isos but it's something I'm keeping an eye on when I get to these slots.

I got caught up dealing with the IRS but xofelf is my next iso short and sweet.

[Augustus Caesar]

622 from Reck giving me big town vibes

I actually like Reck more than Ari for individual takes this game. Tone-wise I think Ari is good and Reck is scummy, but I know I have a bias against Reck's tone so I'm gonna ignore that. As for actual content and reasoning, I often find myself agreeing with Reck's arguments while Ari has a lot of stuff I don't agree with. Why do I even think Ari is town then... probably because his scummeta is so narrow in terms of how much he efforts and gives reasoning, and he's done so much more than all of his scumgames, and even if his reasoning is flawed in

my

eyes, I can see why he'd believe it.

I think I townread Reck and townlean Ari at this point.

[RCEnigma]

Probably, through 7 pages my shortlist poe is datisi/Deasveil/Reck

That didn't answer your other question.

The push on adorable from deas felt like they were pressuring adorable into making their rvs mean something and if it didn't it was scummy. Intimidation tactics basically. That pressure was compounded by your slot and recks slot piling on.

The two thoughts just reading through were:
1.) Coordinated shading (mostly because adorable looked like a vulnerable slot after Deas' line of questioning tripping them up)
B.) An opportunity to make the adorable slot a viable elim if nothing else opened itself up.

That would point to Datisi/reck as more likely scum than deas in that scenario but not by much if that makes sense.

Also I hadn't thought about it at the time but I don't really know how quickly the thread was progressing at the time so it might not have all been happening as fast as it played out in my head.

After looking at the VC on my rep in that didn't really line up, there is scum on my wagon and I'd bet multiple scum at that. Deas wasn't on my wagon when I made that statement, you weren't either so I figured I might have made a wrong assessment there.

[Augustus Caesar]

I am working on a case as we speak. as I specifically stated, it is more than a gutread, hence why no, I will not be throwing it away on a whim simply for your satisfaction. the fact that you are trying to rush information out of me when I have already made it abundantly clear that I want to spend time on it, and then calling ME scummy for refusing to cater to some scumfuck's demands? please.

Little scummy due to the fire here. I don't know if this is warranted given he's just asking you for a name. Why exactly did you not want to give just the name early?

661: I think the "nervous jokey self-awareness" is NAI for Datisi, I recall it from him as both alignments.

• Bulge-tone reads as towny around this point
  
• Dues is also saying a lot of good things
  
• I also feel peta's reaction is overblown around here, feels too passionate, or as if he's looking for a fight with Bulge

[Augustus Caesar]

You having fun this game, RCE? How you doing? I haven't finished catching up but I crave just talking to someone in this game. Give me something to chew on.

Like what your favourite type of cheese is.

[Augustus Caesar]

@Datisi: When you take ages to write a post, but people wouldn't be able to tell, do you ever admit to it, and as town, scum, or both?

[Creature]

Should we ever do Aristophanes?

[Creature]

Kinda scared I now have close to zero solid townreads

[Augustus Caesar]

Bulge: Did you write 698 and 697 right after one another?

[Augustus Caesar]

Kinda scared I now have close to zero solid townreads

What changed and made you stop townreading people? Specifics, my dragon.

[Datisi]

@rce, i see, thanks. i'm a bit annoyed (?) that you keep calling me scum for that one thing when there's nothing else in your read there (as far as i can tell?) but i don't think it's ai. has your team weighed in on this game in any way?

@Datisi: When you take ages to write a post, but people wouldn't be able to tell, do you ever admit to it, and as town, scum, or both?

i've truthfully admitted/mentioned it as both alignments. though it's definitely not an ~original~ thought for scum!me to do, as scum i do it because i know town!me would do it there.