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math ive had plenty of paranoia over April this game. 2 game days ago i was feeling like it was more likely they were maf. ive gone back and forth, but right now i don't see any reason to think they're maf, based on the way they're playing and the way that titus played. the same way that titus' play made me feel it was most likely that vp was town. and even though they've been wrong with some reads, I think that they're p valuable to work together with and solve with- fireisredsir
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im not 100% confident on it, and i think lately there is a bit of those vibes, but looking back on their ISO it doesn't look like town, especially for frog. there's a pretty major lack of attempting to solve through the early and mid game, not much of the trademark overexitedness and overconfidence and just... effort that is trademark of town frog. he's been pushing town the whole game and there were literally zero attempts to sort datisi (despite a few mentions of "i still need to sort this slot", no questions or reads or thoughts given) until titus replaced in, then you have 4029 and 4042 which are pretty weak, 4836, and then after that he has at least a few engagements with titus, then the wild theory of her being SK, but once that calms down he doesn't even mention her again until after the flip (although he didn't post at all for like 4 days in there)In post 7019, DeasVail wrote:I'll need someone to convince me on Frogster? I'll have another read through, but I'd feel nervous eliminating there. The all-over-the-place-ness of their stances and posts seems more "lost townie" to me than scum-motivated. And given the gamestate up until the titus elim, "lost townie" seems pretty believable. I may be falling for it, but I'm not as convinced by Frogster being scum.
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In post 323, Datisi wrote:
have you decided you're just gonna mindlessly tunnel every post i make this game? i logged in during my break, saw that nero was supposedly townreading people that hadn't posted, i asked him about it. do you think "nitpicking" that makes me scummy?In post 318, tenebrousluminary wrote:
I don't like the way Datisi focused on nitpicking rather than the substance of Nero Cain's argument.In post 304, Datisi wrote:some people not mentioned in your list haven't even posted?? excuse me for asking i guess
class starting back again, cheersIn post 336, Datisi wrote:
because it seems like you've decided you're gonna scumread me and are forcing my posts into a scum mindset, as opposed to actually reading them and coming to alignment-indicative conclusions.In post 330, tenebrousluminary wrote:I would like to know how you came up with this "mindless" idea. I have been quite clear about why I think the posts of yours I have criticized are scummy to me. It has not been mindless at all.
So long as you continue to make such posts, I will continue to suspect you, yes. Is being scumread so alien to you as to be upsetting?
and i find it dubious at best that you would consider a post like that scummy, considering its context. i'm not upset, i'm just calling bs out when i see it.
Still think I'm partnered with this?In post 352, Datisi wrote:
you mean like when i tried to question him about what gives him the jitters and he latched onto the fact i said "good vote" as opposed to actually responding to my questioning? and how the entirety of his push just kept being egging me on without any substantive elaboration? gee, i wonder why i started thinking of the push as a meme. no idea why.In post 349, tenebrousluminary wrote:
To me, it seems like Yeet's push made you sweat. Resorting to discrediting it as a meme rather than either ignoring it because of not being concernedIn post 348, Datisi wrote:like, this is what i mean when i say specifically looking for scum motivation in my posts. it feels like latching on to whatever i say in order to try to force a contradiction out. do i seem concerned? why wouldn't i dismiss it by saying something about it?or confronting the substance, to me is the action of mafia. One could call it "dismissive." I could be wrong, of course.
In post 190, Datisi wrote:ackchually before i go
VOTE: skitterIn post 181, skitter30 wrote:
I think you made a bad initial vote and that you're trying to justify it under pressure but cant. And i now am!In post 173, Datisi wrote:ok? does that make me scum? if no, why are we having this conversation? if yes, why aren't you voting me?
(1) what pressure
(2) you've seen me so many times make early votes that had more confidence than justified to get the game going and see the reactions to itIn post 346, Datisi wrote:
do you expect there to be some super strong case / reasoning from me on page 2-4, whatever it is? (when i'm not playing with ico, that is ) like, A Thing from tenebro pinged me, i decided to vote him for it, both to show that i got bad pings from his slot, and to see if any interesting things happen as a result from it. i do this *checks notes* all the fucking time as both alignments. which is something that you should know, and the fact that you're giving me shit for having an "empty" vote early on is, like, not a good look.In post 200, skitter30 wrote:Pedit @dats me questioning you abt your vote. The more i ask you abt it the more i feel like there was no initial reasoning and you're trying ti back-justify it
And my issue is that you presented it as a scumread and the reasoning you gave was somewhat empty
And now you're saying it was more of a reaction vote? Why is my reaction scummy?
like, what's your idea here? that scum!me panicked, made a random vote that i had no idea how to justify because i thought i wouldn't get asked about it?? then when, surprise, did get asked about it, i only then started thinking about a justification?? like you know better than this...In post 445, Datisi wrote:
- just because i voted them after they voted me doesn't mean it was omgus... like you can claim it is you want, and i can't prove it wasn't because i can't prove what i was thinking, but like; even if it were omgus, that is scummy why exactly? like you don't get to make such blanket statements about meIn post 440, skitter30 wrote:- this in some ways reads like an OmGUS-y reaction to them voting you a few posts prior
- i still disagree with you that his vote was indicative of a 'scummy lack of boldness' and not wanting to stand out when you hadnt had much pressure at the time
- i obviously do not expect a super strong case on p4, and i would habe been fine if you had just said it was A Ping, but the reasoning you're giving doesnt make sense to me as something you actually thought at the time
- you seem to be getting kinda testy / sensitive that i'm pursuing this line of questioning ...
- i was the person with the most pressure at the time (and before someone starts crying how this is a contradiction because i called yeet's push a meme - just because it was the most pressure doesn't mean it was actually a lot of it), and okay.
- ok, what is the difference between me just saying it was a ping and me actually explaining the thought process behind the ping? also, what about "there's a person continuously attacking me, and then there's a person who jumps into the game, says one throwaway line on why i'm scummy and votes me, and the latter is more likely to be scum trying to fit in and attack a popular target, but also make it seem like there was Original Thought Process behind their attack" doesn't make sense?
- yeah no shit i'm getting testy. same question at the first point: why is that scummy? did i miss some new towntisi meta where i as town don't get annoyed at garbage pushes at me?
There's a lot of interaction with skitter in here. Many of Datisi's targets are flipped town at this point, so if there was any slot he interacted with heavily which could be a partner, I think this is a reasonably likely one. There are parts of this interaction that read as genuine frustration from Datisi, which would suggest not being partnered with skitter, but I am only reading his side of it right now. There are bits I could see as potential bussing, too. Plus, there is a third option, which is that traitor-skitter is distancing from Datisi and he doesn't know it. I think this last might sound the most likely to me right now, but this could be a useful place to analyze for someone who knows Datisi and skitter well or is generally good at associative tells. Would love to get some input on this.In post 456, Datisi wrote:
and again, why are you assuming that this is supposed to be like, lockscum pack it up boys caseIn post 449, skitter30 wrote:
Because i think you were overestimating how much of a target you were at the time, and how likely scum are to be trying to 'fit in' there by voting you, and i dont know why that universe was more likely than them being town and just not liking one of your postsIn post 445, Datisi wrote:there's a person who jumps into the game, says one throwaway line on why i'm scummy and votes me, and the latter is more likely to be scum trying to fit in and attack a popular target, but also make it seem like there was Original Thought Process behind their attack"
And yeah i think you getting this annoyed is more indicative of scum-you, see: recent open wherein you became conciliatory (i.e. vs testy) when you got scumread
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like, how i imagine town enters the game where they have a scumread on a person that is currently being pressured. they will either (a) quietly vote the person to add pressure and say minimal stuff about them, or (b) add a decent amount of content (page-appropriate ofc) onto their push. the fact that he did something *in between* is markers of a scum mindset imo - it shows that he doesn't want to take too much responsibility for pushing me if i happen to flip (so he can't do (b)), but also doesn't wanna seem like scum who's braindead sheeping someone (so he can't do (a))
like OBVIOUSLY this isn't super strong but it's a start. and i see no reason why not to vote there and explore that start. like do you think i'm not aware that reasoning is not very strong??
and after googling both conciliatory and testy... you sure? i'm pretty sure i started voting you there pretty early on after you did some nonsense push on me
I could still see it as partnered in part because Datisi eventually comes around to a townread on skitter and even chainsaws for her later.
Ari is another slot that I could imagine Datisi being scum with. This interaction could easily be fake, but there's more interesting stuff coming.In post 472, Datisi wrote:
i'm town, and i will do all that i can to protect this town and you : >In post 471, Aristeia wrote:dats tell me you're town again? : )
Datisi's entire push on monkey is a chainsaw for Ari.In post 908, Datisi wrote:
this is like, one of those times where i want to ask - what do you expect me to pressure you about? your slot is scummy because you dropped into the game, made a pretty much meme push on me, threw weak questions at ari, and left when she voted you. there is nothing to parse there, you and i both know that you're a better scum player than that, so it's not like i can actually draw a "well he's scum completely fucking up the game, gg" conclusion from that. and the only possible pressure i can put on you is general "what are your reads", which like. i find more value in seeing what you come up with yourself than what you come up with if i'm yelling at you about it.In post 489, humaneatingmonkey wrote:So Datisi makes no attempt to pressure my slot even though he admits it's scummy, and didn't attempt to parse even further when prompted by Nero. No hot takes and no solves, just unproductive questions thus far.
I don't think I spotted a compelling trajectory to come off scumreading skitter.In post 917, Datisi wrote:
VOTE: nordomIn post 754, Nordom wrote:If Datisi's replies in a satisfactory manner, I'm switching my vote to VP.
gee, i wonder where i saw this kinda reasoning before
last two games i saw a post like this, it came from scum both times
(i'm not yet certain if i wanna end up on nordom, but this feels fitting to change now, both as a scumread on nordom and as a not-quite-scumread-anymore on skitter)
I think it was more than once that I saw Datisi brag about being first on me and skitter, which would be an odd thing to do if skitter and I are both town.In post 995, Datisi wrote:
i made one (1) post on wu, AFTER being asked my opinion. and i did not call monkey scum, quite the opposite, i said i don't think those weird posts make him scum. all while pushing skitter and tenebro, who i was first on.In post 988, Nordom wrote:Wu was the pressure push and Monkey was just the idle comment because he was a popular choice at the time.
can you acknowledge the above, and then tell me whether you still think i was making "lazy convenient reads on wu and monkey"?
Part of the aggressive Ari defense series. Why is he townreading Ari, again?In post 1848, Datisi wrote:
not doing what the conftown player tells you to do and instead being contrarian to them lands you into pressure? wow what a surprise, i'm sure she'd had no idea that would be the end resultIn post 1844, MathBlade wrote:
Yeah. Just because she thought it would work doesn’t mean it would.In post 1842, Datisi wrote:as an escape route. that landed her into more pressure.
The two-for-one skitter and Ari defense in one easy post. I think scum would be more aware of their partner's VLA than some random person's. Also, I feel that the statement "skitter's wagon taking off while she's vla feels indicative of something" is phrased in a seed-planty way. It's obvious what conclusion Datisi wants the reader to come to, that scum are taking advantage of the situation, so why not say so rather than try to convince the reader this is their own idea?In post 2236, Datisi wrote: this makes me think, did skitter's wagon go up at like, any point other than last night? because it seems to me that nero had been arguing with her for a longer time, but the wagon only taking off now while she's vla feels like it should be indicative of *something*
i was very much present in the game where the math/ari shitfight took place, so i was aware of the context at the time. but it doesn't really change my view on her behaviour much? like, ari saw what happened last game, how math started tunnelling her and how much effort it took just to salvage the game in final 6 when math was dead set on voting out ari. so i think it's still fair to conclude that ari wouldn't purposefully be getting on his bad side as scum. the baggage point is... i dunno, if it's true that the whole thing was NAI and that ari was acting like that solely because of an outside grudge, then i kinda lose a bit of respect for her, but i'm really not sure it's the case.In post 2168, humaneatingmonkey wrote:So I think very much that Ari was being contrarian to Math because of the b a g g a g e. Personally, i think it would support the claim that it's non-ai. But it doesn't explain her belligerence towards me. It seems to me that it was a blanket strategy to anyone who she thinks she can push around. But saying that, i wonder what datisi thinks about ari's contrarianism now that it's been given full context.
I must admit this puts a hole in my theory that the neighborhood could possibly be scum-free. Incidentally, what is Cape's read on Galron, since we know Cape was using the neighborhood last night, allegedly?In post 2260, Datisi wrote:
thanks, i'll check that out.In post 2254, Nero Cain wrote:
I think some people had mentioned Skitter being scum most notably Math and Fire for not doing her "ping" thing.In post 2236, Datisi wrote:this makes me think, did skitter's wagon go up at like, any point other than last night?
Can you link me a game or 2 that you played in where there was a hood?
normal games that i've played in that had a hood are:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=80974 - 9p, town/town
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=82613 - 9p, town/scum
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=83045 - 9p, town/town
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=84455 - 13p, town/town
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=84322 - 12p, town/scum/scum
and one game which had a scum/scum hood of a scum and a traitor that i'm not really counting since it wasn't a hood in the usual sense.
so, yeah. i'm really not buying the notion that "there has to be scum in hood because *radio static*".
More chainsaw for skitter. It's almost so much it makes me think it could be TMI that the skitter pushes are wrong rather than partnered.In post 2289, Datisi wrote:
i am in fact aware of that (though there were more people on there previously)In post 2284, Yeet wrote:
Datisi there are 3 people on skitter's "wagon" and two of these people are close to confirmed town.In post 2274, Datisi wrote:skitter is really good as town, yeah. the thing i'm thinking of right now is what i commented earlier, i find it weird that there was an actual wagon happening on her seemingly right after she went for a few-day-vla.
it does not refute my point that it's odd how her wagon took off only once she went v/la and how it's much easier for scum to vote her once she's away. and how your progression on skitter is less than stellar.
Just wanted to note there is an incredibly weak Dragons suspicion throughout this iso that Datisi never does anything about, and in fact he even goes after Scorp among the lurkers despite having Dragons as his #3 suspicion or so consistently. Looks partnery to me.In post 2382, Datisi wrote:std, is there a reason why you feel so... backseat this game?
More chainsaw for skitter. He's awfully invested in this for someone who was recently scumreading her.In post 2487, Datisi wrote:i wonder if the fact that fua is attempting to push skitter while ignoring me (while the two of us are doing almost the same thing) has anything to do with the fact that skitter is more likely to be yeeted and has more supporters than i do...
Not much in here that contradicts fire's Titus/Cape theory.In post 2666, Datisi wrote:
was townie early then fell offIn post 2647, VP Baltar wrote:Datisi, what do you think of cape?
eod play was obviously not great but that's a very shallow answer
i will provide a fuller answer in the next 36-48 business hours, really need my vla this week >_>
This is a sudden flip compared with Datisi's earlier expressed Scorp townread because of his "Luca Blight tell." I believe it supports Scorp town, and makes me question why Dragon gets no attention from this quarter.In post 2857, Datisi wrote:ok, my bitch ass laptop decided to not connect to the internet so phoneskimming time
looking at scorp's iso in isolation (lol), definitely a scum contender. this dude has done jack shit all game. i think the tell i made on him on d1, that he's not even TRYING to appear townie, is valid, but not insanely so as he was aware that refuge in audacity is a possible defense.
i can def see scorp being scum *if* the rest of his team in a pretty good position. because i think scum is more likely to be lazy if the game seems to be going fine, or if it seems like their partners have it together. (thought goes to umlaut in that one mini normal where he started being lazy when mathblade replaced into his team)
as said, if he'd scum, i think we're lowkey fucked since that prob means there's some deepwolves or powerwolves or whatever. i think nero is a strong contender should scorp flip red; other than fitting with my bullshit gamestate reads, i think he also tried to make an eyes wagon a thing when math was trying to wagon scorp?
also, the fact that (1) there is absolutely nothing townie about scorp (2) there's still practically no wagon on him despite that and despite a MASON pushing him makes me feel like the game isn't a fan of his wagon (though i'd have to run another check to see if anyone was actually properly pulling away from him)
so, like, in total? 6.5/10, my gamestate reads aren't always great, but i would not mind a wagon here
I believe this comes from a desire to keep Scorp mislimmable for later.In post 3182, Datisi wrote:VOTE: frogster
not loving the fact that it feels like everyone and their mother is defending scorp, but let's see what happens here
I don't understand what "if I were there now" means, but it sounds like an excuse to maintain a Cape scumread and avoid acting on it. While I have found Cape's play to be town, I am only seeing support in here for fire's theory.In post 3372, Datisi wrote:
if i were there now, i'd be voting cape. 2610 feels like a "how DARE you question me on my speedy lolhammer you SCUMFUCK" shadethrowing when it's like, quite obvious why he should be getting questioned for it, the defensiveness feels unusual because like, obviously he's getting shit for itIn post 2647, VP Baltar wrote:Datisi, what do you think of cape?
and i think it's unlikely cape/malcolm are s/s because i have a hard time imagining two scumbuddies deciding to do this weird lowkey shade but not really push thing on the same person one right after the other
bottom of page 106, be back in a bit
This is an odd thing to become incensed about for someone who allegedly scumreads Cape.In post 3421, Datisi wrote:
give me one reason why these aren't just random 3 names you pulled out of a hatIn post 3410, Scorpious wrote:If anyone cares, my strongst scum reads right now are VP, Cape,and Datisi...
@nero, do you actually have any reason for scumreading me other than me not accepting your "hood therefore must scum" idea as gospel?
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Dragons had almost zero interaction with Datisi so nothing to see there.
I don't want to think in Mystical Voodoo Triangles, but it is awfully tempting.
In post 144, Aristeia wrote:Dats did you roll town again ? ? : )
This is a slot that showed up to the game already intending to not give Datisi a hard time.In post 471, Aristeia wrote:dats tell me you're town again? : )
Hey look, it is the exact thing VP did that was suspicious. Knowing I'm town, at least, there's no difference. I wonder whether Cape also tried to push me early on, I see that all of Datisi, Ari and Dragons were united there.In post 375, Aristeia wrote:I think we should consolidate on one of HEM/Tenebro to push pressure and advance game state rather than splitting
so which one would you like to do today dear?
This again seems like someone who started at "Datisi is town" rather than someone who arrived there.In post 753, Aristeia wrote:Sure let's discuss Datisi then.
Why does Scum Tisi decide to not create a townblock?
Revving up the chainsaw for Datisi.In post 756, Aristeia wrote:
Do you have a previous case of Datisi pressuring you off the bat? Is it scum!indicative for him to be interacting with people other than you?In post 751, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Which makes me suspicious because if Datisi remembers me as the one who "ripped through town" in that one game, then he must have due cause to pressure me.
The defenses are endless and I do not even know why Ari is so sure of Datisi town.In post 779, Aristeia wrote:
We are 24 hours into the game.In post 774, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
I assume Datisi is able to create a townblock because that's how i remember his playstyle in early games.In post 765, Aristeia wrote:You assume that Datisi is able to create a townblock in the first 24 hours of a large theme... which makes very little sense to me - you also previous stated you think nothing ai has actually happened and you think people shouldn't be able to form reads - this is a contradiction just on the surface.
You are imposing a standard that by your own admission is absurd upon Datisi and using it to push him.
Datisi has been in class for 10 hours and slept for maybe 6 or 7 hours.
Your expectations are ridiculous and directly contradict what you previously said about there not being enough alignment indicative material to create townreads this early.
The Mystical Voodoo Triangles are speaking to me again. Dragons, Datisi and Ari all targeted Scorp, seemingly from whole cloth.
Chainsaw.In post 1884, Aristeia wrote:Do you really think its not ok for Datisi to repeat his viewpoint to another player in the game who might not have read his point earlier since this is a large theme that is moving very quickly?
Easy to see how this could earn Nero the label of "enemy" without inviting reflection.In post 1895, Aristeia wrote:
mm I guess I misremembered - you wanted Datisi dead not me in 2258.In post 1890, Nero Cain wrote:
I'm not sure if we have ever played together on this account. If you are talking about mini 2258 then it was House and Dats that I thought were scum, not you. Unless you are like a House alt. And ITG I was town/null reading you and even defended you in 1618. Was I misreading you then?In post 1879, Aristeia wrote:
you misread me last time we played what makes you think you got any better this game?In post 1877, Nero Cain wrote:still think its Ari/Skitter maybe eyes and yeet
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In post 3405, Cape90 wrote:
You played one game with me so clearly you can deduce that what you are saying is complete hogwash yeah? It really isn't super convenient on this site to just see who voted what, also I really wouldn't expect such a heavy shift in votes when we were not even near EoD. It was very easy to keep track of the votes in the normal blitz game, but I was literally just on a constant catch up mode for most of this entire game. Should I have looked? Yes. I knew that they received like some votes, like I was thinking 2 or 3 more, not hecking 6 others.In post 3372, Datisi wrote:2435 is definitely a post scum!me would make in order to go "ackchually i didn't know it was hammer i didn't count hehehe" and my short history of playing with cape tells me he is the kind of person who *would* be paying attention to how many votes there are on someone, anyway
So I keep seeing a bunch of people be like "oh what Cape did has clear scum motivation!" Does it? I don't think it does, what would I try to accomplish with an early hammer? Is Yeet my scum partner? The thread wasn't even suspicious of my slot until I hammered. If I am mafia, this only hurts me unless like Yeet is my scumpartner right? I really don't see my scum motivation there, also I BET one of you would have lolhammered that if not me, just saying, and it wouldn't mean shit probably.
Also, let's think about why I would post 2 messages after a vote has been achieved on someone. I mean, I think this would be against the rules under normal circumstances yeah? But obviously I justknewI hammered the vote. Flawless logic I must say. Anyway Datisi the votes say you are mafia, I don't think your content particularly does, also you seem adamant on following my votes despite your laughable suspicion of me, so you are pinging me my good friend.
LOL I mean your not wrong VP did ping me there. Also Datisi, I kinda see this and I think your full of it, your cockyIn post 3372, Datisi wrote:if i were there now, i'd be voting cape. 2610 feels like a "how DARE you question me on my speedy lolhammer you SCUMFUCK" shadethrowing when it's like, quite obvious why he should be getting questioned for it, the defensiveness feels unusual because like, obviously he's getting shit for it
VOTE: Datisi
scumIn post 3413, Cape90 wrote:
There was literally 9 insta votes on GeneralWu. I don't think his Miselim was being avoided no matter if the day was being prolonged or not.In post 3399, Datisi wrote:you mean like it totally hadn't changed with math and monkey and fua right? because there's no such thing that could shift the gamestate instantly riiight?
Correct, thunderdome me. there is 1 scum between Cape and Datisi, let's go. I am popping off ProHawk style.In post 3399, Datisi wrote:2692 - ok probably at most one scum in baltar/cape/scorpious
But cape is mafia this game amiright?In post 3399, Datisi wrote:this is interesting since i recall when in a previous game cape and i were t/t and he made a similarly-sounding huge wallcase on why i'm scum and i think i did get voted there, and then i got unvoted 5 minutes later because lol but like point being
Anyway, what is the mindshift?In post 3416, Cape90 wrote:Datisi has their sights on too many town. You with me Frogsterking?In post 3423, Cape90 wrote:Listen, I get why i should be questioned for my lolhammer the other day. But really it's just getting tiring and frustrating to even deal with because I know you and VP and all that will just tunnel me incessantly for it.
I don't think cocky was the right word
It was like
You are obviously posturing and I don't think you believe the words you are saying, you are forcing out something onto me. You literally have jumped on like 2 wagons with me today around the same time too! i struggle how you are believing in real thoughts. Also it really looks like you have your sight set on just multiple people all at once with somehow even less direction then me, and yet you shade me for being directionless?In post 3429, Cape90 wrote:Datisi also seems to love throwing around this very ironic word "opportunistic" when they only said that word once in the blitz game. Datisi's play has been riddled with oddities around this section of the game and.
The best word I can use is "hostile"
I think you could use that word for me but I am kinda just more frustrated. But Datisi feelshostile3049, 3037 (the haha is like ???), 2879, 3383.
I will be off for a bit
This sprang pretty quickly out of a former null read, and ended just as suddenly. Not sure what to make of it.In post 3526, Cape90 wrote:UNVOTE: Datisi
I will hold for now actually.
Some thoughts I had that kinda just came to me.
1. Does VP Baltar actually have the thought that communicating in our neighborhood at night is anti town until we "descumify" our hood? Like a night ago I agreed with this until I actually sat down and thought about that and then came to the realization that there literally is no downside really to talking in there at night or whatever.
2. I find it really strange that Nero Cain hasn't really been pushed by either of VP Baltar or Datisi as it seems kinda obvious by the way that Nero has basically been lowkey shielding me and suspecting VP, like since day 1, like this whole time. I want to revisit this like tomorrow or something.
3. As much as i don't like VP like, kinda just shrugging off my big case on them and saying some pretty evidently false things about the wall, like if you took a look at it for one second, it's obvious it wasn't like, prewritted/preplanned from the night before, but it's pretty clear that VP doesn't have too much intention really debunking me... but Datisi does, and still scumreads me off of it.
4. As much as I want to think that my suspicions on VP/Datisi/Scorpius are good. Well, the thing is, I am usually accurate on my scumreads, but the problem is is that I usually have more focus. Focus that I just kinda am thinking I am lacking right now this game. Especially with me not thinking of ruling out anybody from my neighborhood from POE.
5. I think I don't want to push the following players: Yeet, MalcolmTucker, fireisredsir. And then there comes some other people like Save The Dragons (I think recent content is good + they seem consistent in logic when I questioned them on April), tenebrousluminary, DeasVail who I think are all relatively towny and- Save The Dragons
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TMI?In post 6219, Cape90 wrote:In post 6051, Titus wrote:If they flip town, April is the last person who should be shot.
If VP flips scum, sure shoot April.
wat?In post 6052, Titus wrote:If VP or Cape flips town, the shot should be on the scum pushing those lims.
If VP or Cape flips town, the shot should be on April and suppose that I'm just batshit crazy.
Only thing that is preventing me from hitting that vote button is IDK how scum!Titus works in either of scum!VP or scum!Nero's world
Why did this need to be pointed out?In post 6817, Cape90 wrote:
VOTE: TitusIn post 6814, fireisredsir wrote:
like hey guess what we're not in a scum!VP or a scum!Nero worldIn post 6219, Cape90 wrote:Only thing that is preventing me from hitting that vote button is IDK how scum!Titus works in either of scum!VP or scum!Nero's world
so what's stopping you now
Titus did a similar thing to VPB the other day.
But like. You know, I don't like the swap off me they did.
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If Frog is scum with anyone I currently think is scum, this is actively sabotaging their agenda.
This post is so strange as to be town.In post 3129, Frogsterking wrote:@luminary
Are you being evasive and passive aggressive and stuff? That will destroy any teamwork potential we have.
In post 3432, Frogsterking wrote:
Thank you for strengthening my townread on Cape.In post 3428, Datisi wrote:
less than 24 hours on the clock for d1, cape makes a huge wallcase on me and votes me. five minutes later (with nobody's input), he unvotes me because he went back and realized something i said actually made sense from a town pov and he might be wrong. cape got immediately townread for the case>reeval (the case itself was rly bad though), and we ended up yeeting both scum d1 and d2.In post 3426, VP Baltar wrote:Can you explain for me? I wasn't in that game.
I don't see a Cape partner here.In post 3445, Frogsterking wrote:
Their town meta is impulsive and thoughtful and they write a lot sometimes. If they're scum it's good acting, I think it's difficult to fake. I'll be less willing to townread them if they have a performing arts background.In post 3441, Datisi wrote:explain this to me like i'm 5.
please.
Just thought this was interesting, I don't have an angle.In post 4027, Frogsterking wrote:Yeah it's potentially a LAMIST statement to make with a built in excuse to not share thoughts.
I think luminary suggested the first 60 pages and then skipping to when April becomes active which I'd like because Titus' slot is one I really need to sort.
An alternative approach, not really reading at all and providing fresh reads as they come, could be helpful for scum hunting but would be more difficult for us to read Titus' slot itself.
April's reads are flipping; so where are you?In post 4185, Frogsterking wrote:I think I'll evaluate April and Dragons alignment based on the way their reads flip. I'm going with this approach because I think they can both get good reads as town, I don't think I have any levels on them through "social deduction" and I think they both keep their cards close to their chest as either alignment.
Here, VP flipped his read from a hard scumread on Cape to a hard townread on Cape, it's not consistent with VP's outted reads and is scum motivated.[/quote]In post 4463, VP Baltar wrote:
I think galron is more likely to flip scum based on his flaky play since coming into the game, and I don't think two scum in the hood, so that would make you town.In post 4461, Cape90 wrote:
Front half? I am town now?In post 4455, VP Baltar wrote:front half of this wagon is good, back half is shifty, but this seems more likely to hit scum than Malcom flip.
UNVOTE: Galron
It looks like VP is scum in the hood and being opportunistic for a mis hammer[/quote]
VOTE: VP
[/quote]please dont kill another limbait target have some courage and vote VP
This post looks town to me.
I don't see a Deas partner here, and I'm thinking Deas works well as a final partner for basically any world.In post 5591, Frogsterking wrote:Now I want to talk more about Dease. Dease completed a large normal a couple years ago with both Nero and Eyes. In that game Dease was the deepscum who made it to the endgame. There are a lot of similarities between Dease's play in that game and this game. I have a feeling Dease may be a player who needs pressure before he releases actual AI information.
Seems legitimately upset with Titus, and I think sussing Nero if they had a rolecop on him would be pretty plainly unhelpful.In post 5638, Frogsterking wrote:
Titus you CAN'T BE SERIOUS. "WHERE DID HE DO THIS?" ??? U R NOT EVEN READING VPS POSTS. U CANT BE. UR TELLING ME U MISSED ALL THIS:In post 5624, Titus wrote:
Where did he do this?In post 5620, Frogsterking wrote:VP asked me to answer his questions repeatedly then ducked out when I actually did.
Why are you voting no one?
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I guess if I had to choose one of Nero, Cape and Galron to be scum in the hood gun to head I would choose Nero on PoE because Nero seems significantly more experienced so I'd weight Galron's psuedo mech clear > Cape's town tells > Nero's town tells.
This post looks town.In post 6975, Frogsterking wrote:In post 6966, Frogsterking wrote:UNVOTE: fire
I mean maybe I overreacted a little bit, it all made sense in my head. Fire pushed through malcolm and then vp and fire was right there to get credit for titus. IDK I'm go to sleep.
No you know what I have good ideas sometimes VOTE: fireisredIn post 6969, Frogsterking wrote:
I thought fire looked worse based on votesIn post 6964, Cape90 wrote:fire is a bit town based on VC
Frog is not moving in lockstep with my suspects and some of them are targeting him. I wonder if he is a mislim.
VOTE: April- April Ludgate
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In post 7036, Scorpious wrote:I also see that fantastic bus by April..
I've been pushing Frogster since Day 3.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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In post 7024, MathBlade wrote:The main issue I have is if I am right and traitor exists this is the last miselim we have.
So as much as I think you’re scum April I am torn between eliminating Frog or you.
I should just be tunneling you because of how wrong you have been
But at the same time I think if you’re scum you know this and give me frog and set up for you and Fire stomp.
You just got Flavor Fever.
I think if I were to flip, youd be able to look back and see how obviously town I've been this game.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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In post 7020, MathBlade wrote:You really contradicted yourself and said tene is town and now tene is possible scum.
Again, I don't do this as scum ever. Contradictions are not scummy either, I flip flop constantly as town because one minute I think this, but I backtrack and think another. =/Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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if traitor exists, you get an additional misfade not one less?In post 7024, MathBlade wrote:The main issue I have is if I am right and traitor exists this is the last miselim we have.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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Also, people saying my reads have been flipping more than they actually have.In post 5977, April Ludgate wrote:Eyes without a face
DeasVail
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this was the bottom half of my reads list on Day 3. DV/Galron have gone up, and VPB has flipped town.
Look who's left....it's like incredibly similar to what I'm still currently pushing.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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In post 7039, tenebrousluminary wrote:My worlds right now look something like Dragons/Cape or April/Galron? I'm not sure Frog fits into either of those neatly.
But I probably shouldn't try to hero-solve it.
Galron is essentially confirmed town because of Yeet Psychologist clear.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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