Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 1.09

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-06-14 01:30:00).

yeet

humaneatingmonkey [4]:

Dwlee99, Titus, implosion, Roden

Aristeia [3]:

humaneatingmonkey, Bellaphant, MathBlade

MathBlade [2]:

Gamma Emerald, Save The Dragons

Dwlee99 [1]:

Ausuka

not voting [4]:

Harley Quinn, Malakittens, Enchant, Aristeia

mod notes

~ humaneatingmonkey v/la wednesday to friday.
~ Gamma Emerald v/la for a week.
~ dual mod iso.
~ this is mod note.

flavour

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: for Dats<3

[Harley Quinn]

Meh changing it up

HEM Implosion Mala/Roden...... then maybe Math.

That last Implosion post fished 6 alternative wagons to HEM while claiming to be ok with an HEM wagon.

Can you explain Implosion, Mala, Roden?

[Aristeia]

implo you're going to hate this but the impression I get from your conversation with mathblade is that he's town and you're mafia and you know hem is mafia and you can't believe how absurdly wrong mathblade is. hehe

[Aristeia]

I'm going to just chill and flirt with Datisi because caring about winning is not good for my mood and talking with mathblade just makes me feel icky :/

[Save The Dragons]

Anyway. Good night thread. I expect to wake up to at least double, if not triple the current page count. Don't disappoint me.

Challenge...

[Save The Dragons]

...accepted!

[Save The Dragons]

So how we doin folks

[MathBlade]

Spoiler: Ari

mathblade have we ever played a game where you were right about mech and I was wrong?

it feels like the only time I ever have mech disagreements with you are when you're scum and trying to make up random nonsense.

Is there a single time we've been t/t and disagreed on mech and you've actually been right?

literally the only times you spend lots of thread time fighting with me over mech in a way that makes no sense to me is when you're scum and making shit up.

for example:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=89351

and

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87284

Spoiler: Math

right now my scum team guess is just enchant - hem - you

Ausuka, Gamma, Titus, STD are my strongest TRs

Dwlee, Bella are townleans.

Roden, Mala, Implo, Harley are null

Cool

Then you’re scum because imho 2/3rds of that are bad almost certainly

So I think I might be right for the wrong reason.

And Ari isn’t that bad as town. You’re just not

VOTE: Ari

I don’t think this ever picks up today and it’s more posterity but I feel confident enough here to vote.

except every time you wasted my time with a mech argument that's senseless you've been scum so why would I townread you for it this time?

Because we aren’t arguing over mech

We are arguing over scum theory and what players would and wouldn’t do

And it’s not been a waste of time

I forgot how much I hate playing with scum you because when I am not scum I have the charisma of nothing because I don’t know the lay of the land

But how about you prove it and vote me?

I flip town then you go brag about how “right” you are

Then you flip tomorrow.

Chicken?

Math's scum read on Ari feels really fake. She uses meta to scum read him first, and he retaliates by doing the same back. And he suddenly acts like he "knows" she's scum.

They're both using Burden of Proficiency for their meta reads, which typically I hate but I hate Math's more. Claiming "every time we disagree/you're wrong on mech it's because you're scum" and then providing examples at the very least has a basis in reality. But Math simply saying "you're never bad town so you have to be scum" is just, awful.

She is or is in a place where she won’t talk with me

So I have quit responding to her for the night

It would be like you all of a sudden posting one liners

It’s a huge difference when she’s wrong

I think she was trying to talk to you, honestly you're both saying the same thing in different ways. But she got tilted which tilted you in return.

What I don't get is why you're saying she's wrong. Like unless I misread it looks like you're saying her reads are wrong, but it's Day 1 so I'm not sure how you could know that. Like at best I could understand heavily disagreeing with her reads, but flat out saying she's wrong doesn't make sense to me.

What exactly is wrong with her reads?

I really don’t get that vibe.

I feel like she had an agenda of spewing the mechanical things for a reason. It’s what I do as scum, spin individually factually correct statements. By talking on mech she avoids having to actually play a social game

She’s wrong = heavily disagreeing. There’s always a chance I am wrong, but the odds of that are slim.
There’s something HEM did that I extremely doubt that the scum team would permit him to do.

She’s like put her buckets in an HEM world I don’t think she wants to consider being wrong.

I don't think she's avoiding playing a social game. I get your point about focusing on mechanics = scummy, but her ISO shows her talking about more than just mechanics and interacting with a decent amount of the player list.

Which of her reads do you heavily disagree with besides HEM?

Also what did HEM do that you think the scum team wouldn't permit him to do?

I am not ignoring this. I don’t think it’s smart to answer this at 1 am when I am sleepy and could say something stupid and I should watch my words.

[MathBlade]

implo you're going to hate this but the impression I get from your conversation with mathblade is that he's town and you're mafia and you know hem is mafia and you can't believe how absurdly wrong mathblade is. hehe

It’s possible. I don’t think it’s likely. I don’t see why implo makes the post he did as scum though.

It would be kinda oof

Good night and enjoy your Datisi flirting.

Artisi (I forget your shipper name) is always a good ship

[Save The Dragons]

I'm worried now I'm tunneling mathblade but I still think he could be scum.

Ari is there a reason you didn't vote mathblade

[MathBlade]

As scum with HEM though*

Wow yeah writing at 1 am sucks.

[MathBlade]

I'm worried now I'm tunneling mathblade but I still think he could be scum.

Ari is there a reason you didn't vote mathblade

Let’s put it this way way way
I think hopefully you’ll see you’re tunnelled if town.

But I am bad at communicating what I know and shitty at explaining so I expect you’ll probably point your sus at me and then inexplicably you’ll get it and it will make sense later.

[MathBlade]

But then each time I try to explain what I see in you it’s infuriating.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Unvote

I don’t like my Ari vote anymore

adding UNVOTE: for the vote counter. ~D

[Harley Quinn]

I'm worried now I'm tunneling mathblade but I still think he could be scum.

Ari is there a reason you didn't vote mathblade

Not sure what to make of Math, hated his initial replace in but his subsequent posting has been fine. \_0_/

[Bellaphant]

UNVOTE:

I actually got content and reads from Ari/math, that wasn't just about mechanics and maths!

About a million pages ago someone asked if I thought klicks answer about numbers was towny: yes, for the same reasons as I did dweelee's. Also, this is town!math, this is exactly the mech based moon logic they used in team mafia where they were wrong and wedded to set up ideas that looked scummy.

Implosion's 863 is skeevy af. Town read gone.

I think Titus could be town.

I'm not loving Roden. People have mentioned they are capable of deep wolfing but im not seeing much at all.

The thread seems to think I should have a lot more opinions about hem than I do.

I'm quiet because this game seems quite mech/set up spec heavy at the moment and I suck at it.

[Enchant]

Aye, purge time.

VOTE: Aris

[Harley Quinn]

UNVOTE:

I actually got content and reads from Ari/math, that wasn't just about mechanics and maths!

About a million pages ago someone asked if I thought klicks answer about numbers was towny: yes, for the same reasons as I did dweelee's. Also, this is town!math, this is exactly the mech based moon logic they used in team mafia where they were wrong and wedded to set up ideas that looked scummy.

Implosion's 863 is skeevy af. Town read gone.

I think Titus could be town.

I'm not loving Roden. People have mentioned they are capable of deep wolfing but im not seeing much at all.

The thread seems to think I should have a lot more opinions about hem than I do.

I'm quiet because this game seems quite mech/set up spec heavy at the moment and I suck at it.

That was me and thanks.

[Ausuka]

Ari do you know me from ~the past~

[Bellaphant]

Hey @harley quin, where's your head at?

[Roden]

Aye, purge time.

VOTE: Aris

This is a fun game lmao

[Harley Quinn]

Hey @harley quin, where's your head at?

You’ll have to be a lot more specific. I’m still trying to figure out the game.

[Harley Quinn]

UNVOTE:

I actually got content and reads from Ari/math, that wasn't just about mechanics and maths!

About a million pages ago someone asked if I thought klicks answer about numbers was towny: yes, for the same reasons as I did dweelee's. Also, this is town!math, this is exactly the mech based moon logic they used in team mafia where they were wrong and wedded to set up ideas that looked scummy.

Implosion's 863 is skeevy af. Town read gone.

I think Titus could be town.

I'm not loving Roden. People have mentioned they are capable of deep wolfing but im not seeing much at all.

The thread seems to think I should have a lot more opinions about hem than I do.

I'm quiet because this game seems quite mech/set up spec heavy at the moment and I suck at it.

Can you elaborate more about 863?

[Titus]

Meh changing it up

HEM Implosion Mala/Roden...... then maybe Math.

That last Implosion post fished 6 alternative wagons to HEM while claiming to be ok with an HEM wagon.

Can you explain Implosion, Mala, Roden?

Yes.

Implosion's relation to HEM is super scummy. Mala and Roden lack the impact they should.