Worst Role Mafia - GAME OVER!

[Oversoul]

Oversoul (8) - Tierce, Gimmicky Alt, Agent_Ireland, brizingre1, theamatuer, ShadowGirl, Amrun, mafia-n00b

Are you fucking

kidding

me?

I want all of you to name your fucking suspicions of me because other than Tunneler Tierce (which I debunked completely but you know retard-logic-Tierce thinks her case is gold ) no one has named a reason.

I'm fucking angry because I'm about to be deadline lynched for no reason whatsoever and this town can't get its head out of its own ass to even come up with a comparable alternative.

No, the Phil wagon is setup spec to the max and is completely crap. All of you who were on it should be ashamed.

I'm going to eat dinner, but once I return I am going to write up why this wagon is stupid. I better not be fucking lynched by then.

And no, I'm not claiming until at least L-2. So fuck any of you.

I'm mad.

[BBmolla]

Hey Tierce I think Oversoul is town

[BBmolla]

I might just be falling for AtE.

[theamatuer]

I think tierce thinks your wrong and/or secretly scum without telling anybody

[BBmolla]

you're*

[Amrun]

no one has named a reason.

Not at all true.

[Tierce]

I think it's AtE, BB.

Anyway, BATCAVE while I'm around and not asleep. Screw timezones.


theamatuer: what?

[mafia-n00b]

no one has named a reason.

Not at all true.

^

[Tierce]

What, do you think Oversoul is only skimming the thread for VCs/my posts and assuming everyone is sheeping me instead of actually reading things through?

[ShadowGirl]

Also, I disagree that what Tierce said ruins the value of her reads. The fact that you are trying to devalue them doesn't make me think well of you.

I'm still in love.

And I'm still flattered. <3

Also, I disagree that what Tierce said ruins the value of her reads. The fact that you are trying to devalue them doesn't make me think well of you.

I didn't say it devalued her reads. I said it devalued NK analysis. Her reads would have been examined regardless, if I was alive, anyway, and they would have been MORE informative had she not placed WIFOM into scum's head on purpose. I have a hard time believing she doesn't realize this.

The cases etc. she leaves behind would still be valid, should she die and flip town, but the nk analysis is now pointless.

I will say fair enough on the distinction, but at the time it seemed like you were suggesting that what her reads would not be worth going after in the case she died because it would be impossible to know why she died because she had pointed out that her reads mattered. (Okay, that was long winded.)

For example, this time, I assume that Hippos was killed because he was clearly a hydra/alt of mysterious but clearly experienced players and mcqueen was killed because he was fucking annoying (no other possible reason there that I could determine).

In your opinion, do you believe that there was a better NK choice for scum and what would it be? As I see, it might have been a hydra but he was not a player I would have considered overwhelmingly town/useful.

@ ShadowGirl
He's right, I wasn't threatening you. I'm only warning you that there are things you don't know that are connected to the one interesting thing that you DO know about me. I can reveal more soon, but for now I'm just making sure you know that there will be consequences out of my control if you choose to do something to me. And those consequences will be worse for you than for anyone else. Also, I may know what research you did, but you're going down the wrong track if it's what I think it is.

I think with the knowledge that

I

know that it was reasonable for

me

to constitute it as a threat, especially by telling me that there will be consequences for me if I do something to you. Anyways, I'm very interested into what research you think I've done and the conclusion I came to. Second point of interest is what consequences (I assume you mean other than your death), that there will be for town? Or do you mean your death and your contribution to town is that consequence?

@Oversoul:
Can't speak for anyone else, but my reasoning is in post 1078/1084.

@All of you in the last 2 pages:
If you directed something up please redirect me because I've been trying to read the jumble of the last two pages and my mind is sort of bleh since I just got back from an exam. ... Or I shall just reread and see if my my name appears again and get back to you.

[Amrun]

In your opinion, do you believe that there was a better NK choice for scum and what would it be? As I see, it might have been a hydra but he was not a player I would have considered overwhelmingly town/useful.

I don't know if there was a better NK choice for scum because I don't know for sure who the scum are. If you give me a player, I can say then, but overall? There wasn't anyone else in the game I would say was giving more "experienced, good" tells. Gimmicky Alt would have been another expected choice, if GA is town, but today, GA is megalurking. The allure of those two is "just how good IS the original player? They're alts! What if they're of someone awesome!" even if the day play doesn't necessarily make them a threat.

[Amrun]

I forgot to say that killing the most experienced player in the game is fairly standard for n1 NKs, especially in larges.

[ShadowGirl]

@Amrun: Simply put, I meant a player who had been overwhelmingly be considered to be town. Namely, I'm wondering how you can explain the fact that I'm alive today.

[Amrun]

Votecount 1.07

Guy_Named_Riggs (12) - saulres, Amrun, Phillammon, Moneybags, Oversoul, BBmolla, knox, IceGuy, Gimmicky Alt, danakillsu, Captain Haddock, numberQ
Chimera (2) - ManiacalLemon, Candy Corn Vampire
ManiacalLemon (1) - Chimera
Oversoul (1) - Guy_Named_Riggs
Teleporting Speed Hippos (1) - RedPanda
saulres (1) - Teleporting Speed Hippos
BBmolla (0) -

none

Captain Haddock (0) -

none

Robotnick2 (0) -

none

Phillammon (0) -

none

danakillsu (0) -

none

PokerFace (0) -

none

Candy Corn Vampire (0) -

none

IceGuy (0) -

none

Amrun (0) -

none

Moneybags (0) -

none

mcqueen (0) -

none

ShadowGirl (0) -

none

Gimmicky Alt (0) -

none

numberQ (0) -

none

RedPanda (0) -

none

knox (0) -

none

No Lynch (0) -

none

Not voting (4) - PokerFace, Robotnick2, mcqueen, ShadowGirl

A lynch has been reached.

This is interesting, though. This was edited part way through the night - and I really, really remember thinking that numberQ was overhammering. I suspected TSH, and I remember him being on the wagon. I remember thinking, at some point during the night, that TSH was lying about his role and that I was going to go for him the next day over it.

But now, after 2 edits, the Vote Count looks like this, meaning that he was NOT lying about his role.

I forgot about this because TSH flipped anti-town anyway, and because in general I just forgot about it because I thought of it overnight and had nowhere to put it so I remembered it. (Should keep notes, but lazy etc.)

So perhaps the scumteam noticed that his role was confirmed and thought he would be difficult to lynch because of it?

But maybe I'm mis-remembering anyway. That's not necessary; he makes sense as a kill either way.

p-edit: There are a lot of reasons. I can think of several, but I don't think it's the right move to say them at this juncture.

[ShadowGirl]

You have literally just confused the hell out of me how his role was confirmed and how with that confirmation he was a must kill. I mean, I don't think being able to prove your role makes you automatically town and thus an NK target... I won't ask you for those reasons now, but I may ask you for them at the end of the day.

pedit: Saw ShadowGirl has dana at the top of her list, will have to look into why (unless she wants to point me to it?)

1078 + role related reasons, and I will do a proper ISO and expect to find similar poor voting patterns (I skimmed).

[Amrun]

I don't know if that's the case or not. I'm just speculating. I wouldn't have thought TSH was town even if he proved his role, but something like that might have made the scumteam nervous. Idk. Like I said, it's entirely unnecessary, may not have happened, and even if it did, may not have been noticed by scum. He makes sense as a general scum NK without it.

He was pushing GNR, so I don't really think it was for reads reasons. Also I vaguely remember him agreeing with me about the masons not necessarily being scum, so I'd say it's a possible slight towntell for the masons, too.

[PokerFace]

@Amrun

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4000783
Like I said before I skimmed some more recent game happenings. Brizz, the red shirt guy is obviously town. Scum couldn't make that claim or be that role because town would lynch the obv fakeclaimer the next day when some townie died. I know I'm gonna live to Day 3 because red shirt is an obvious town role that will die tonight in place of any townie. Aside from that I doubt scum would target me. Let's face it, compared to most people in this game my overall activity here is pretty low. Only foolish scum kill people with low activity

About Mcqueen

. I don't know what vanish means. If mcqueen stays gone, then he must have been scum given Briz's claim. If McQueen returns to the game somehow, then I guess we can figure out what mcqueen is then.

@Shadowgirl,

I still think you are town but I dislike your skill. I have moral issues with the fact it makes people loose the game instantly. If you are in a situation where you feel you need to use the skill to win the game for your side, then use it, as playing to win is a moral obligation to all players. Also should there be a player we all think is scum and said player lurks to the point where izak has to replace him, that person isn't playing to win or even playing the game. Killing a

scummy

player that was getting replaced would be justifyable in my eyes. Otherwise I don't think your skill should be used willy nilly on players everyday

@BBmolla,

shortly after robotnick brought up mason's being in the game you said one of them had to be scum which I consider to be an assumption. And doing that is something scum would do in an attempt to discredit a possible powerful town role. Also I don't believe I have seen you scumhunt or actually try to determine which mason had to be scum. What you did there came off as power role fishing and setup speculation whish is something I'd expect scum to want to do on what could be a powerful town role. If you can find a post where you did scum hunt or you want to dispute the rolefishing haddock also pointed out then go ahead and do that.

As far as why there could be town mason's in this game, there are other ways to make things worst ideas like chimera/fox's vote restriction. Also I have run and played in bastard games that had double fake outs
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=11067
In that game I had an Insane Killer Cult Cop. There was no cult in the game and because he was insane he basically was gauranteed to kill everything. The 2 negative's canceled each other out and made him just a vigilante. I put that role in the game to trick everyone into thinking there was a cult when there really wasn't. The mason's could be here to trick us into thinking one of them must be scum. I also had 2 neighbors in that game that I cut when I didn't get enough sign ups. I originally planned those 2 neighbors to both be town. I considered having one turn scum at random if they were included in the game and should I have felt the scum needed a greater chance to win. tldr I ran a bastard game where there were 2 town neighbors and seen bastard role's designed to deliberatly send players on wild goose chases

That logic in no way proves you to be town. You are passing crap logic there. Trying to pass crap logic in order to confirm yourself, is a scum tell. And rather than prove you didn't do you come off as looking even more scummy

Yeah it's crap, I jumped the gun due to excitement in seeing the mod basically confirming my role in the rules.

This response feels genuine. In hindsight I think I could understand where someone would do something like that due to over excitment. Looking back on the matter I think you only pushed your possible confirmness in 1 post as apposed to multiple posts. And you did not try to use this false confirmness as some advantage over other players, you didn't use it as a case on someone else for being scum. I didn't think of it before, but when scum do that sort of thing, they usually hype about it or turn it against individual other players in an attempt to paint other players as scum by process of elimination or some other logical means
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=21502
Thats what I did as scum in that game and was NOT caught for it.

Bold is me

Your apology for your misunderstanding

Fair enough. I appreciate you taking the time to acknowledge you made a mistake. Would you say this is something that you do often when you make mistakes like that? Just curious.

Not sure what you are getting at or if you are refering to a type of mistake or not, but in general:
If I know i messed up or did something dumb without good reason, yes I apoligize. If I did something horrible for any reason (like if I broke some family vase or feel I insulted a player or lost the game for my side all by myself), yes I apoligize. However if I do something I don't see/understand as dumb or inherently bad (You lynch a townie that claimed scum) then I don't appoligize. hope that answers your question

Can you explain why you said iceguy was scum here? I have a theory that you and iceguy could be scum buddies

Well then obviously if you think he's scum you must be seeing similar things to me, no?

He's very standoffish, which is so very different from the town-Iceguy from WnW. He's very... in the back. It's just strange. The fact he is not impacting me gives me a bad feel. Also, due to the fact that I find a lot of others town, he seems scummier due to PoE. It's not a read I'd bet my mother's life or anything, all of those were me quickly reading some of the ISOs and remembering what I'd seen and giving a quick read based on that.

I asked the question because I wanted to see if you had a reason unlike my own for suspecting him. I wanted to make sure you weren't sheeping someone or generally bsing. Your comment here leads me to believe you were NOT sheeping or bsing

Do me a favor BBmolla. If you are town and only have 2 shots, do NOT use your recruit skill tonight.

I won't, for realzies.

Good. In general my mistake on you and your responses here have began to make me reconsider a few things in the case on you. I believe I only still don't like what you first said about the masons as pointed out in this post already. I don't like how you faked a PR and how it potentially allowed you to initally avoid my points on you. I disagree that haddock rolefished earlier, I think you may have rolefished in relation to the masons. Though that doesn't say I like haddock as I can see where he is tunneling on you and not saying alot about others in a good bit of his posts

I am here:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4001057
Cleveland browns better do well in tonight's NFL draft or I will be angry

[ShadowGirl]

@PokerFace: I will take your moral objections (and others) into consideration, as I've said before. Especially yours because I respect you (although you probably don't remember me from the last time we interacted, I mean, before your Drunk Mafia).

As far as why there could be town mason's in this game, there are other ways to make things worst ideas like chimera/fox's vote restriction. Also I have run and played in bastard games that had double fake outs
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=11067
In that game I had an Insane Killer Cult Cop. There was no cult in the game and because he was insane he basically was gauranteed to kill everything. The 2 negative's canceled each other out and made him just a vigilante. I put that role in the game to trick everyone into thinking there was a cult when there really wasn't. The mason's could be here to trick us into thinking one of them must be scum. I also had 2 neighbors in that game that I cut when I didn't get enough sign ups. I originally planned those 2 neighbors to both be town. I considered having one turn scum at random if they were included in the game and should I have felt the scum needed a greater chance to win. tldr I ran a bastard game where there were 2 town neighbors and seen bastard role's designed to deliberatly send players on wild goose chases

In essence, the bastardness of this game (the fact that a Guilty Child came up town [!]), is what keeps me from being 100% confident that one of the masons is scum (or both or whatever) that it could just be done to WIFOM the hell out of us.

For whenever you completely catch up... I'd like your thoughts on Oversoul, Dana, and Saul.

[theamatuer]

Did you honestly think the mod would give you scum on a silver platter?

[Oversoul]

Spoiler: rant, final reads, filled with cursing, bad language, not the typical me, spoilered because I have some decency

I might just be falling for AtE.

I JUST FUCKING DELETED MY GOD DAMN POST. GOD FUCKING DAMN IT. I JUST WANT TO SHOOT MYSELF. FUCK EVERY THING IN THIS WORLD THAT ISN'T SACRED.

YES I AM MAD.

YES I WILL CURSE.

YES I WILL CALL YOU NAMES.

DON'T TAKE IT PERSONALLY I'M JUST REALLY PISSED OFF BETWEEN THIS WAGON, MY DAY, AND ME JUST FUCKING MISCLICKING AND DELETING MY DAMN POST.

I think it would be better to use the modkill instead.
If they don't even try to help the town, they deserve to lose.

That’s completely fucking subjective and the modkill should only be used on people we think are scum.

That post seems really town to me wtf

Oversoul, if I'm town, Tierce is town, and you're town, who's scum?

I'm waiting on a few key players to post before I can comment on this.

Why not just answer the question?

VOTE: Oversoul

You cannot look me in the eye and say that this is fucking reasoning. Agent Ireland has played like SHIT today. He has literally done nothing and then places down a convenience vote after disappearing without any fucking recoil from yesterday. On top of that he hasn’t even read what happened yesterday AFTER he used his ability. I am really tempted to fucking vig him, and the only thing saving him is his paranoid nature of death which screams survivor rather than scum.

Oversoul- I can't find the slips I was referring to in that post. What I still have is a gut reaction. This annoys me, so, I'm putting you as neutral-slight-lean-scum, just for my gut.

Again, Phil doesn’t even fucking remember what he was talking about. This is not reasoning. His original vote was not even his own reasoning, it was him agreeing with the crap that Tierce and BB were spewing out of their mouths at the time. He voted me saying he agreed with Tierce’s case, with the caveat that says he is now as guilty as me once he voted me. WHAT THE FUCK? That doesn’t even make sense. Phil is town in my eyes, this dumbass logic is completely beyond me. PHIL USE YOUR GOD DAMN BRAIN.

All the same, very good points raised there. Unfortunately, saying this alone makes me guilty of exactly what Oversoul is being accused of. Oh well.
VOTE: Oversoul

Brizingre

, do you feel that the previous player of your slot was scummy? Specifically with his opportunistic hammer? Do you have an opinion one way or another about your slot’s history? Caveat, yes I know what I am doing, yes this is a test.

Phil was being way too secretive with his descriptions and while I don't view 1-shot and N-shot as contradictory, I'm having trouble seeing a town motivation in him being circumspect until pressured

This is a bad post. MN basically says he has no real opinion on Phil but leaves the chance for a vote on Phil should the situation present itself. Entirely looks like posturing scum gauging whether or not he should vote for someone or wait.

Let me spell this out how I see it:
-Worst Role Mafia. Have yet to have anyone claim a non-Worst role.
-Masons claim.
-Having all worst role except for masons makes ZERO SENSE, meaning either:
--A. One of the masons is scum, making it a worst role.
--B. The masons have some worst role part of them so that it makes sense that they're masons and that the worst is for different reasons.

And LET ME SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU.
They have claimed worst roles. One has to fucking CLAIM its ROLE in each post or something and the other has to vote for whoever voted him last. THAT IS FUCKING BAD. THE MASONS ARE IN ADDITION TO THE WORST ROLE.

Why the hell would it make sense at all for a scum-town mason group to have one mason CLAIM it was mason? MASONS ARE GOOD ONLY WHEN THEY ARE A SECRET. Scum-town means that masonry IS NOT A SECRET AND IS BAD. IT MAKES NO SENSE FOR A mason group with a scum to have one mason be forced to claim.

USE YOUR GOD DAMN HEAD BB.

I'm more than slightly suspicious of Haddock and Amrun now, given they appear to be attacking me without checking the ISO as claimed, if he honestly thinks I changed my claim today. Dan appears to be well reasoned and thought out, though, so appears townie. VOTE: Captain Haddock, as this seems to be an agreeable lynch on one of my scumreads..

I’m not going to lie. I have very little opinion on Haddock mostly because his posts all look very defensive and bland. I haven’t really read him and the defensiveness makes it hard to get a read one way or another.

It also seems like I'm the only one here who thinks hes either town or thirdparty and not scum.

You aren’t, but at this rate you will be the only one. :\ This town has done FUCKING NOTHING the entire day. I know I am not one to talk, but the only discussion that has gone one realistically in terms of a lynch is my lynch and Phil’s lynch. The town wasted its entire day arguing over stupid shit such as whether or not a claim made someone scum. You have all kept on the god damn backburner of “I think he is scum” so that you had an opportunity to fucking place a vote on me when we were close to deadline. You all wallowed away your time arguing that Phil was scum or that he was lying and that means he is scum when honestly only scum get their roles right the first time, especially in complicated mother fucking games. If other role related accusations cloud a person’s claim, that’s when you get suspicious, but when you have something that hasn’t been verified or whatever and call them out on lying that is retarded.

IceGuy claiming Phil’s role is antitown in addition to Phil’s scumminess is crap and is one of the reasons why I think he is likely scum. Plenty of roles are antitown, yet they are included into games. Why would this be any different, especially with worst roles, which is the ENTIRE POINT. TO BE FUCKING ANTITOWN. He has asked questions skimming along the surface of activity while not really doing much of anything else. HE needs to die. TOWN NEEDS to get its shit together and do SOMETHING.

Those of you calling this AtE can suck a fat one honestly. I’ve had it up to here with all the crap today and in this game and I honestly don’t give a shit. The people on my wagon are playing against their wincons.

Pokerface is a strong townread. Phil and the rest of the confirmed roles are also town reads, but Pokerface is the only one I think is town based off play alone.

Sigh. Even though I think Oversoul is likely scum, I'd rather vote for Phil, because an investigative role could check Oversoul but not Phil (based on claims). And Phil has to go at some point before LyLo, and can't be vigged, so we have to lynch him. Giving our investigative roles (if we have any that actually work) a chance to check Oversoul while getting rid of someone we're going to have to get rid of anyway just makes sense to me.

Then why didn’t you fucking say something through out the day? You’ve been active here but you have barely mentioned me this day after I destroyed your crap case on me yesterday. You are one of the prime offenders of keeping me on the backburner while you watched what town would do and it looks scummy as fuck.

I volunteer to be vigged, investigated, whatever night action will allow you guys to gain fucking information about me. JUST DON’T FCKING LYNCH ME. I KNOW TOWN IS PLAYING AGAINST ITS WINCON WHEN THAT HAPPENS AND I WILL NOT STAND FOR TOWN MISLYNCHING. Modkilling me is out of the question as I will not lose my god damn town wincon if it is the last thing I do. Lynch me if you must, but forcing me to lose my wincon I will fucking flip out.

Do you have any reasoning for that?

Do you have any reasoning? You’ve been doing nothing and posting this one liners while ignoring most of the other players’ posts. That is active lurking 101.

And before it's suggested that ShadowGirl have Phil modkilled: I would agree, but only if it meant she lost her ability. Day-vig-ing is one thing, but taking away a player's opportunity to win or lose on their own merits just sucks. Especially someone who's put some effort into the game (which you have to admit Phil has, with 72 posts, even if many of them were pure fluff).

Do you mean you want me to use my ability on someone knowingly that I would in turn to lose it? Without even possibly killing him, at that. (I don't remember the exact parameters around his role.)

personally It'd be better if you killed the lurkers and inactives. Still, itd be better if you used your power today imo

Where the hell have you been today? YOU HAVE BEEN LURKING HARDCORE and you committed the same crap sin of putting me on the backburner + voting me given Tierce’s reasons which I have already debunked. You have not initiated me, the person you are voting for, in any sort of discussion today and yet you are okay with my lynch. That is not acceptable.

These reasons that you guys all said were there? YA. This looks more like farm with mad sheep disease than a town.

Gah, Captain Haddock lynch isn't going to happen so I'll VOTE:Oversoul

Yup. Reasons.

Deadline lynch all the way baby.

Tierce I hope you are fucking happy when I flip. I really and honestly do because there will be so many damn words about your ethic it isn’t even funny.

Hey guys.
Guys.
Phil is obviously silly town. He's ridiculously transparent.
Stop wagoning him. You too, Amrun. Look at motivations and stop being stubborn, etc.

Kthx.

For someone who says that Phil was obviously town, it sure took you a long damn time to outright SAY this. You’ve been focusing your entire day on getting me lynched and all of your “don’t have time, lynch oversoul” comments could easily have included Phil is town.

Fuck that.

One more question that I hae:
I can't remember how explicitly you said this, but I believe you offered to have yourself modkilled, and now that it's been established that it would work, do you still stand by those words? I don't want to hear the concerns of other people about my ability or its consequences; I want to know whether you were truthful about being a sacrificial lamb. I would prefer there wasn't any pleading or other worries expressed: a yes or no will suffice, with a bit of explanation.

From what he has claimed, mod killing him won’t work as he will vanillalize you before your action goes through. Don’t waste your shot on him. He is town plus we will literally gain nothing from it.

Oversoul really fits the scumbag bill and needs killed.

You’ve repeated this damn phrase a million times. Once you made your “case” you just expected people to sit back and agree with you and even now they aren’t, they are merely settling, which I seem to remember you saying never ends well.

I do have it noted that Oversoul was on GNR's wagon as well.

??? Your point? I STARTED that wagon.

Still sticking with that easy mislynch.

Shadow girl, make me a gun so I can fucking shoot myself in the god damn face. Honestly, this analysis is the most pitiful thing I have ever seen.

STICKING WITH A MISLYNCH? YOU HAVE TO BE FUCKING NUTS TO THINK THAT IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO LEAVE SOMEONE ALIVE WHEN THE MOD SAYS THEY ARE SCUM. Absolutely fucking NUTS. NUTS.

I am going to call this a fabricated distancing vote, mostly because in ye massive wall 'o text before there's barely mention of Saul, and there's no explanation given with this post.

What kind of fucking CRACK are you on, Shadowgirl? DID YOU EVEN READ MY POST? I responded to Saul’s god damn “case” with my orange comments. OR DID YOU NOT EVEN CLICK THE FUCKING SPOILER AND INSTEAD DECIDED TO SKIM BECAUSE IT FUCKING LOOKS LIKE THAT. IT REALLY FUCKING DOES. I GAVE REASONING WHEN I DEBUNKED THAT DAMN CASE BUT SOMEHOW, IN BRIGHT FUCKING ORANGE, YOU MISSED IT.

There was no distancing. That was genuine fucking scumhunting. Saul must be dancing in joy that he is getting his mislynch that he backed off from on day 1.

And that standalone vote? BECAUSE I FUCKING FORGOT LIKE SO MANY OTHER THINGS I’M BEING ACCUSED OF *COUGH* gnr *cough*.

Two posts later, he votes GNR, because hey, let's get that wagon going!

WHAT THE FUCK!? TWO POSTS LATER? NICE MISREP. TWO OF MY POSTS MAYBE. AFTER I FUCKING STARTED THE WAGON AFTER I SAW HIS HYPOCRISY AND READJUSTMENT OF HIS REASON.

FUCK YOU. THIS ISN”T ANALYSIS

At this moment, the speculation of BB's role and the fact that it was believed that it would be a scum role was high at this point, so this is the next easiest mislynch. I'd like to note that this entire post focuses explicitly on the fact that his role is what makes him scum and less so on his actual play, which I think is the most wily thing to do.

HIS SCUM PLAY SUPPORTED HIS SCUM ROLE. I MADE IT PRETTY FUCKING CLEAR THAT I THOUGHT BB RECRUITING TIERCE WAS A BRILLIANT DEFENSIVE MOVE BUT YOU SOMEHOW MISSED THAT TOO MISS MODKILL.

From what I can see, this was a vote based on lurkiness, and I think the lone vote (that will not amount to nothing) is a good ploy to stay off the wagon that everyone is piling onto (Phil's), although from his more recent posts it seems he has the intention to vote him because of his role.

Basically, I think it's a cop out and bullshit to be voting someone solely for their role, because let's face it, most of these roles give the shadow of doubt that any of them could be held by scum.

Don't say I never did anything for you guys.

WHAT

WHAT

I FUCKING SAID I WAS WAITING FOR SOMETHING. I FUCKING VOTED HIM BECAUSE I WANT PRESSURE AND I STILL DO. I’m NOT going to reveal my plan just yet but my vote on Brizingre served a purpose. He barely even responded to the vote, if at all.

Saying it was a ploy is ridiculous as I could have EASILY voted for Phil and pushed for his lynch especially given that my ASS is next in line. USE your fucking head or don’t be scum. I don’t care either way.

A lovely post, but you forgot to vote.

I WILL FIND YOU

@ShadowGirl: Your Oversoul case isn't one. Town shows similar voting behavior.

You say that I am town, you whiteknight me, but you barely even explain WHY.

IS it because you KNOW I’m town? You are pretty clearly going for the “should have listened to me”

Watch this mother when he tries to go for another mislynch on someone from my wagon.

I'm not voting because I no longer have confidence in the Phil wagon. I'm considering voting oversoul based on SG's reasoning and a review of Oversoul in ISO. I've got a town read on knox, so I'm looking for other opinions.

Holy shit purge this with fire. Anyone who thinks Shadowgirl’s vote analysis on me needs to fucking evaluate their play or just claim scum.

SERIOUSLY.

For my own reasons, I have slightly more faith that Dana is scum (although I'd need to do an ISO), but I see that it's more likely that Oversoul will be the lynch, so:

vote: Oversoul

REALLY? WHERE ARE THE REASONS? OH WAIT THERE AREN’T ANY

OH WAIT THIS IS GOD DAMN DEADLINE LYNCH

OH WAIT THIS IS FUCKING AFFC ALL OVER AGAIN

OH WAIT THIS IS WHY I WANT TO KILL MYSELF

OH WAIT THIS TOWN IS DOOMED IF IT THINKS ITS ON THE RIGHT PATH

Just realized this vote is worse than I thought, or certainly the fact it's still lingering. Brizingre's claim is more or less the easiest one to confirm (hey, if a town player dies during the night and he's still alive? well, he's a liar!), so considering you've posted since he's made that claim, why are you still voting him?

WAIT
You say this while I keep saying that I am a) busy, and b) still waiting for comments and c) I placed my vote before he FUCKING CLAIMED?

Ya. Your reasoning BLOWS.

There's not enough activity to come up with more solid reads though. At least not for me. I'd rather lynch someone I think is detrimental to town, as compared to someone who I just feel is possibly (or probably) scum, earlier rather than later. No one agrees with me on that? I'm used to smaller games, is it that there are more players in this one that makes that not a good idea at this point of the game?

In any case, l'm still waiting on something before I move my vote, but I don't feel it's pro-town to say what that it is.

pedit: I promised analysis I didn't deliver? Link me please.

You know, someone you think is scum like me? This just shows that you are deadline lynching. EVERYONE is just like “welp I don’t know what to do I guess just lynch oversoul hahah hehehe hahah”

Stop crying about your own god damn skill or your “normal” games. No one cares about that. We are playing in this game. SO GET FUCKING ADJUSTED.

Too WIFOMy... you could die because:

This is very true and it is why Nightkill analysis is such a crapshoot.

I'm going to take a leap of faith.

VOTE: Oversoul

I agree with ShadowGirl that his vote on Brizingre was HORRENDOUS. Also I still have that niggling in my craw about him not voting GNR, though he claims he forgot.

AMRUN

ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS? YOU AGREE WITH THAT CRACK ADDICT LOGIC? I VOTED HIM BEFORE HE FUCKING CLAIMED

I VOTED HIM FOR PRESSURE? WANT TO KNOW WHY? WELL FUCK IT. HE HAS IGNORED MY QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT HE THINKS NUMBERQ WAS SCUMMY BUT I BASICALLY WANTED TO SEE IF HE THOUGHT IT WAS “TOWN” to comment on his predecessor’s play. A lot of yuppy scum try to curry favor the town by saying oh ya he was scummy but that was only because he was bad. ARE YOU FUCKING HAPPY? I CAN’T EVEN SET A god damn trap without you people jumping all over me. THE CAT IS OUT OF THE FUCKING BAG NOW

THAT IS NOT A REASON AMRUN THAT IS FAR FROM IT

And now...

VOTE: Oversoul

Sheeping SG's read on this one.

LOL REASONS RIGHT HERE Y’ALL

YUP YUP

AMRUN

WHERE ARE THOSE REASONS YOU PROMISED ME?

ALL I SEE ARE SHEEP

BAAA

SHEEP

RETARD LOGIC

MORE SHEEP

ALL I SEE

One of the many people in this game who don't actually post anything of value but also aren't actively anti-town.

You know. For calling me town despite everyone else you haven’t done much to try and save a town read. You haven’t done much to try and get a scumread lynched either.

You haven’t really done much of anything for that matter. You are sitting on your hands saying words hoping the town ignores you for one more day so you can kill one more person so you can live one more measly day.

Your time is up, IceGuy.

This took a lot of time to type up because of a lot of technological errors... I'm very frustrated right now.

[Oversoul]

Well, that's easy.

VOTE: 2birds1stone

Although there's probably a modnote "Is actually town".

Really? Isn't that convenient now that he has flipped.

The Unlimited Dayvig is obviously unbalanced, and the only way to balance it would be having a limited dayvig, which would be a normal dayvig and therefore not suitable for this game.

Leaving some version of the RDV, where the vig profits from hitting scum. In this case, shooting somebody early when there are no leads is a really, really bad idea.

GNR, claim please.

This type of behavior will become the hallmark of IceGuy's play in the game. He does not rely on scumhunting, or looking at intention, or generally looking for scum. He is wrapped up in the role aspect of the game as if that made certain people more likely to be scum or not.

He is going to be using setup speculation like this in order to fluff his post count and look like he is contributing when in actuality he is coasting by watching the town implode on itself.

I have to say. I feel much much better after typing out that long post. Maybe next time I should delete it and type a non violent version.

VOTE: Agent_Ireland

Of all the people pushing that "all people thinking 2b1s might not be 100% confirmed scum are themselves scum" thing, he was the one doing it the least honestly.

You later corrected this to Poker, but essentially this is OMGUS as Poker displays a lack of knowledge about Birds alignment or else he would have said "only scum would know this" instead of assuming you were a buddy.

He could've been scum that flips town.

You mean on top of being a guilty child he could be a reverse miller?

That was sarcasm.

OR MAYBE IT WASN'T

Why Elmo?

Okay. If we have two masons, I'm pretty sure at least one of them is not town. And since we can't let Chimera live into LyLo anyway, considering her vote restriction, this is where my vote is going.

VOTE: Chimera

A string of useless posts to temper his activity and lull the town into believing he is contributing when in reality he is doing nothing of the sort. Scumhunting is non existent in these posts and again, IceGuy reverts to using rolebased reasons for voting someone. This time? The craptastic assumption that one of the masons must be scum.

Yes (unless something relevant happens).

In response to someone asking if lynching one of the masons returned a town result that we should lynch the other one...

That is completely crap.

1) Masons on the wiki are specifically pro-town. This is tempered quite a bit by my examination of the Worst Roles thread which indicated otherwise, so I guess the wiki is wrong? (Or I misread it?) The use of "mason" in this game is meant to be "neighbor"?]

This is Worst Role Mafia.

Why should a lyncher tunnel? Just fake an investigation result.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: GNR

Where's the scumhunting? Honestly. Nothing of value is coming from IceGuy and he is content with doing nothing to advance the game. He is commenting on nonimportant stuff and then he jumps onto the GNR wagon without so much as mentioning other than speculating on the "validity" of his role and asking him to claim.

THAT is a wagon hop.

That is a horrible OMGUS.

I'm against this, for the reason that the post reminds us that he has access to a QT. (Dunno how significant, but still.)

I think he's a non-player who requested and was granted access to the Dead QT.

VOTE: Phillamon

Tierce, so you were drafted into this game and are neighbors/masons with BBmolla?

Again, I repeat. He is not scumhunting. He is not contributing to trying to find scum simply because he is scum.

He makes these comments that have no relevance and do nothing to further the town getting information.

This is not town behavior people.

Having a role that allows players to bring non-players into the game is already bad enough; there's no need to worsen it.

This is a terrible case.

How is it bad?

"Bad" as in "bad for a normal game of Mafia", so the role fits here.

I still have to see why Phil is scummy from

play

. From

role

, this can perfectly well live--just don't target it at night.

No. It can't. I'm pretty sure there is at least one role in this game who can redirect night choices. Get targeted, BAM, instant goo.

Votes Phil because of his role and the fact that "it can't live" because of the possibility roles will be lost. His post shows that the information is not shared between Phil and Ice relative to the limiting aspect so that is likely points for Philtown when IceGuy flips as scum.

He is setup speculating in place of scumhunting and town behavior seems to be an afterthought in all of his posts. I know I am repeating myself, but just look at his iso people. Where is the drive and the desire to find scum? It isn't there. He is playing to live. He is playing to get one more night cycle so he can kill someone. Or do something to fuck the town.

And where does this idea about a redirector come from?

VOTE: Phillamon

The vote should stick. Like goo.

I think we're putting too much emphasis on scumhunting in this game.

Adding Agent_Ireland to my "must go before LyLo" list, in addition to all the people that have some kind of wonky vote mechanics.

Again, voting to remove Phil from the game. NO reason given other than that his role is dangerous.

And no, you are not putting enough scumhunting into this game. Izak wouldn't create a game that is so far from mafia it couldn't be called mafia. All games must retain the essential elements of mafia. A mafia group vs a town. You seem to be forgetting that quite often.

VOTE: Dana
Just look at his iso.

I did. Now what?

Now you die for being useless as all hell. Like holy crap. Looking at your play in this game you are probably about as useful as a sack of rotten potatoes.

@iceguy you really need to answer the question I posed at you in my previous posts

If I didn't answer it, it was probably a stupid question.

Umm no. That is not how this process works. You explain yourself, you answer questions people have for you and you play this game. You have done none of those.

Your refusal to answer the question is typical horrible scum behavior. Ignoring something hoping it will go away. It makes you look incredibly obvious.

Phillamon needs to die before LyLo, regardless of alignment. Same for ML and Chimera.

Agent_Ireland is probscum, but I'm more to derptown as of late.

saulres is probscum.

PokerFace is scum.

Amrun and Tierce are town.

BBmolla is getting scummier.

Oversoul looks more like mislynch fodder than actual scum.

The remaining players haven't really left an impression.

Good to know these were literally pulled out of your ass since you hadn't equivocated any of these reads before hand.

Doesn't look opportunistic at all or anything.

You whiteknight me by softly supporting BBmolla as scum, and saying that I am town, yet you never do anything past this point. You are happy saying Oh Oversoul is town so that when I do flip town you have the ability of forcing scumminess to people on my wagon and your "expertise" onto the town for another mislynch while you just sit back and watch town lynch itself with my lynch.

If you were town you would try to get a scumread of yours lynched and conversely save a townread. Nope. You're utility lynching Philamon instead.

Cool.

I wonder if he's actually dead. The fact he didn't flip and the flavor is "vanished" seems to indicate he can return to the game at some point.

More fluff designed to look inquisitive in the realm of "looking for answers, guys!"

"Look, activity!"

IceGuy is clearly not giving this game any attention and anyone with a brain can see that if they read his iso and my case.

I wonder if he's actually dead. The fact he didn't flip and the flavor is "vanished" seems to indicate he can return to the game at some point.

In Worst Role Mafia, yes.

Yet again..

Fluff for marshmallows.

What happens when more than one player targets you?

I have a feeling this is poised to help scum more than to help town as now Phil has grown in towniness, but still presents the threat of his role. What happens if Phil starts to go down the right path? How will scum kill him?

This reminds me of the redirector comment Ice made earlier as if there might be a plan in the works with Phil's role if the scum can't just lynch him and get a free day.

And let's not forget his role means he's anti-town even if he is town.

A lot of roles are antitown, but that doesn't mean we should fucking LYNCH them.

Do you have any reasoning for that?

Have you ever had any reasoning?

Do you still think Poker is scum other than day 1 vote on him?

Do you think Saul is probscum?

Look, this is the situation: Phil is, even if he is town, deadweight at best and anti-town at worst. We can't investigate or JK him, because that means we lose that PR. If scum has a redirector or something along those lines, they can make us lose PRs.

In which case town gains information as well as scum having to either wait, or take a chance and use their redirect to potentially remove a PR (hint there are probably a lot of PRs in this game so I don't know why you are worried).

Anyways, for everyone on Phil's wagon or was (other than dana): what do you think of dana?

One of the many people in this game who don't actually post anything of value but also aren't actively anti-town.

You're one of many people in the game who skate by without doing anything.

VOTE: IceGuy

Mod

I'm going to be

V/LA from Friday 6:00 AM EST to Saturday 2:00 PM EST

[danakillsu]

@ ShadowGirl
He's right, I wasn't threatening you. I'm only warning you that there are things you don't know that are connected to the one interesting thing that you DO know about me. I can reveal more soon, but for now I'm just making sure you know that there will be consequences out of my control if you choose to do something to me. And those consequences will be worse for you than for anyone else. Also, I may know what research you did, but you're going down the wrong track if it's what I think it is.

I think with the knowledge that

I

know that it was reasonable for

me

to constitute it as a threat, especially by telling me that there will be consequences for me if I do something to you. Anyways, I'm very interested into what research you think I've done and the conclusion I came to. Second point of interest is what consequences (I assume you mean other than your death), that there will be for town? Or do you mean your death and your contribution to town is that consequence?

I figured you'd been looking at the worst roles thread and found a certain role, which I won't disclose at this time as it reveals something that you know but others don't. I further figured you'd decided it was my role, and I wouldn't blame you for feeling threatened by that. But in fact, that is not my role.

For town, they just lose my role and my contribution. For you, it's something more, but as you probably know by now, I can't say anything else at the moment.

[theamatuer]

Mind claiming before you go V/LA for the rest of the day?
Pedit: Dana, would it Hurt town or scum?

[Oversoul]

Good point, Amateur.

I'm a pig. I will randomly be able to fly and when I do I am a commuter.

I have not gained this ability yet.

[mafia-n00b]

1169 and 1170 are actually pretty convincing. So, what do people think of IceGuy?

Personally, I don't have a good scum read on anyone at this point. I'm going to re-read and do some ISOs.