TM2012 - Closed Normal(Over!)

[Captain Murasa]

But I didn't base everything off Haylen scum.
Oh and that's not making excuses for CooLDoG.

[UberNinja]

Haylen(7): iamausername, GreyICE, PeregrineV, UberNinja, Slaxx, DeltaWave, Glork

DeltaWave(4): jasonT1981, Captain Murasa, CooLDoG, Mastermind of Sin
Glork(1): Haylen
Uberninja(1): Porochaz

I am betting at least 1-2 scum on the Haylen wagon, 0-1 scum on Delta wagon, and 0-1 scum off both wagons. Considering that Haylen and Prozac were the only two off both wagons, I'll just amend that to 2 scum on the Haylen wagon, 1 scum off the Haylen wagon. I'm fairly certain that's a reasonable proposition.

That means 2 of iamausername, GreyICE, PeregrineV, UberNinja, Slaxx, and DeltaWave are scum, and 1 of jasonT1981, Captain Murasa, CooLDoG, and Prozac are scum.

I'm willing to let jasonT1981, CooLDoG, and GreyICE pass for now, based on previous evidence of them being probstown. That leaves the following:

2 of iamausername, PeregrineV, UberNinja, Slaxx, DeltaWave
1 of Captain Murasa and Prozac

PoE gives us a hell of a good chance to find scum in either group. I think we should take a closer look at these 7 players today and in the upcoming days, because there's a damn good chance it holds our entire scumgroup. We shouldn't forget about the other 3, but they can sit on the backburner for now as far as lynching goes.

More analysis to come, but I especially want to see what Captain Murasa and Prozac have to say about each other. To a lesser extent I'd also like to get opinions from the group of 5 on each other as well.

Out of group 1, I'm most interested in PeregrineV.

Out of group 2, I'm interested in Porochaz.

I'm also interested in you.

[UberNinja]

The back and forth between DeltaWave and Glork must have made me register Delta's vote as on Glork at the time. Especially considering Glork was also voting Delta.

This means you are subconsciously chalking Delta up to being an OMGUS player when in fact he wasn't being that. He was voting who he thought was scum instead of who was voting him at pretty much all times, IIRC.

Frankly I'm pretty unnerved with the seeming confidence with which you simply "brush off" evidence that contradicts your reasoning, and push on with your own agenda anyway.

[Captain Murasa]

It wasn't what I was trying to push though. Plus it didn't really contradict everything, just something I made a mistake about. I see nothing wrong with that.

[UberNinja]

Why do you think everyone you think is scum is scum?

[Captain Murasa]

I'll go back sometime soon and see if I can dig up why I think my reads are scum. I can't remember the reasons off the top of my head (lol).

Although that question was terribly worded and I'm lucky I was able to understand it <_<

[UberNinja]

If you can't articulate why someone is actually scum, then your scum read on them is 100% worthless.

And it was worded that way on purpose.
If you don't challenge yourself continually you'll never achieve anything beyond; anything greater.

[UberNinja]

time to ISO glork to see who he suspected

[GreyICE]

But I didn't base everything off Haylen scum.
Oh and that's not making excuses for CooLDoG.

Then who
Is it making
Excuses for?

[Captain Murasa]

It's not making excuses for anyone.

Also I may not be able to remember exactly why they are scum but I do know it was for a good reason.

[Captain Murasa]

Anyway, I'm going to bed :P

[PeregrineV]

Yeah, I'm here.

More later since my boss is in town, but no doc or JK, since Glork was obvious target.

[GreyICE]

Vote: PeregrineV

[Porochaz]

Vote: PeregrineV

agreeing with grey a lot, trying to work out mos's motives in PoE, suffice to say he's wrong to do it. more later,ds post on a bus, need to get off

[CooLDoG]

CooLDoG - you wrote a whole big case on DeltaWave yesterday, and were very, very adamant about him being scum. Today you open immediately with a UN vote. What happened?

Haylen flipped town is what happened, grey. The way Uber pushed for haylen's lynch gains him a lot of scum points in my book. I still highly suspect DW and will lynch either of them. But with the flips, I have to vote for UN.

Also, don't trust what grey ICE says, look where following him led us yesterday... A mislynch that scum easily pushed (for those who aren't paying attention). Follow what the flips say and how people pushed the haylen lynch.

@grey, Gotta ask you this. Several times d1 you said I was scum. You have never ever explained why. Based off of my D1 actions

ONLY

, why am I scummy?

@poro, vote your buddy now.

[hasdgfas]

Uberninja(2): CooLDoG, Captain Murasa
PeregrineV(2): GreyICE, Porochaz

Not Voting: iamausername, PeregrineV, UberNinja, Slaxx, DeltaWave, jasonT1981, Mastermind of Sin
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is June 2nd.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: PeregrineV

agreeing with grey a lot, trying to work out mos's motives in PoE, suffice to say he's wrong to do it. more later,ds post on a bus, need to get off

Are you voting me for agreeing with Grey alot, and/or for trying to work out MoS motives in PoE?

[GreyICE]

CooLDoG - you wrote a whole big case on DeltaWave yesterday, and were very, very adamant about him being scum. Today you open immediately with a UN vote. What happened?

Haylen flipped town is what happened, grey. The way Uber pushed for haylen's lynch gains him a lot of scum points in my book. I still highly suspect DW and will lynch either of them. But with the flips, I have to vote for UN.

Also, don't trust what grey ICE says, look where following him led us yesterday... A mislynch that scum easily pushed (for those who aren't paying attention). Follow what the flips say and how people pushed the haylen lynch.

@grey, Gotta ask you this. Several times d1 you said I was scum. You have never ever explained why. Based off of my D1 actions

ONLY

, why am I scummy?

Hey CooLDoG, you're just chopping up all these posts into these stupid little walls where you offer useless little comments that NEVER DEVELOP INTO ANYTHING. They're just little snippets of commentary with no coherent whole, no coherent thoughts, no chain of logic or central drive. They're just these comments. Like you're a color commentator at a football game.

Why?

Hey CooLDoG, your major and only contribution yesterday was a handful of quote walls that never developed into anything and never did anything.

You know what's interesting? I've played with you twice before, Brotherhood of the Wolf, and Camden. Brotherhood you read me as nearly certainly town. Camden, you said that it was absolutely impossible for you to read me.

Now, CooLDoG, we haven't played together since Camden. I just finished a flawless scum victory in TheAmateur's game. And if Mykonian and Bub_Bidderskins think they can read me, they're smoking the fine crack pipe.

SO WHY HAVEN'T YOU PUSHED ME AT ALL? You gave copious reads out in Camden, and were very clear on why you thought the way you did. Here, we get shit like this:

Also, bub thinks that haylen is scummy for being odly defensive early in the game. TA also thinks haylen is scummy, but hasn't given any specifics yet. I'm sort of null on haylen right now.

It's GARBAGE CooLDoG.

You are posting GARBAGE.

[GreyICE]

Also, I'd quickly like to point out that CD's espoused position makes no sense.

UberNinja is scummier than Haylen because he pushed Haylen strongly, and Haylen flipped town.

Yet if DeltaWave is town, then UberNinja would have no motive to push Haylen strongly (since he knew Haylen would flip town). Therefore the 'UberNinja got scummier' presupposes a DeltaWave scum flip... which hasn't happened yet.

So CooLDoG basically wants to lynch UN for being scum with a player who is still alive.

P.S. #936 still happened

[UberNinja]

Yeah, I'm here.

More later since my boss is in town, but no doc or JK, since Glork was obvious target.

maybe they just didn't target glork because they thought glork was scum

ever think of that?

[UberNinja]

1)My built-in bias this game, at the start
GreyICE- scummish
Glork- townish
Uberninja- townish
JasonT1981- nullish (I can't recall a game I've played with you, only games of yours I've played in)
iamausername- null/scummish
Slaxx- null/scummish
Haylen-null/townish
Mastermind of Sin- null
CooLDoG- null/townish
Captain Murasa- null
DeltaWave- null/townish
Porochaz- null/townish

GreyICE- I find scummy. Apparently I'm a minority in this.
Glork- I find townish. Of course, I haven't seen a scum Glork yet.
Uberninja- I find townish.
JasonT1981- Torn, so effectively a null.
iamausername- Null
Slaxx- null
Haylen- I find townish, but I kind of get the argument against her.
Mastermind of Sin- lurking, so scummish, but nothing in his posts point to it.
CooLDoG- townish
Captain Murasa- still scummish, but going towards nullish
DeltaWave- null for lack of posts
Porochaz- null/townish
PeregrineV-town

Four hundred posts into the game, PeregrineV's two lists include 15 cases of the word "null". Wut.

Peregrine: "Haylen- I find townish, but I kind of get the argument against her."

Peregrine: "I think she's town, also the arguments for her being scum are valid. Which makes here scum I guess, but she's town!"
Scum wouldn't want to hop on a mislynch now, would they?

Now I wonder what Haylen meant by this?

[jasonT1981]

Let me get this right.

You're now

openly refusing

to explain an inconsistency in your logic in #630. What do you have to hide?

And now your case is that the vote I made in Post #38 - my first vote in the game - was not well supported.

LOL, you are so fucking caught right now.
VOTE: Glork

How did that work out for you?

I still don't get why there is a wagon on Glork in the first place. I still think Glork is one of the towniest people in this game.

And who died in the night? the one person you have been calling town...

This Glork/Delta slapfight that's taken up most of the last five pages is hella frustrating, because I think there's a strong likelihood that both are town.

No, I see it as town vs Scum... DW scum Ice - town

I'd be up for lynching CoolDog.

likewise!

I'm not trying to be a huge part of the Glork vs Delta fight. I'm just arguing with Delta and yelling at people for wagoning obvtown Glork. I'm not a part of their fight together.

ducking and avoiding... noted.

What makes this even funnier is that you reference 459, but you still say I haven't given a "single reason" for suspecting anybody. haha oh wow

tbh... you really aint.

By the way, it's stupid that people seem to be calling Cooldog scum and not voting him, Quil think's he's scum.

People on my team think he's scum too, but I personally would rather lynch you.

So that's exactly what I'm doing.

are you willing to, today?

not gonna quote, just link too it due to insan e image... http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4044629
opretunistic vote by Slaxx

Oh, we're back to lynching Haylen, disappointing.

After all this time, this is all you add? disappointing... ok a few more posts after.

haylen wagon is sure as fuck a lot better than the DELTAWAVE wagon, wtf

glorkwagon would be peachy but

yea, it really wasnt

I'm ready to play the "Can CoolDog read?" game.

@CoolDog- Why am I voting Haylen?

Hey, its PereV... another useless post

Posting for the sake of posting. Nothing anyone has said lately has changed my mind about my reads.
Meh, I'm bored right now. Someone ask me some questions.

Scum, complete scum...posting full of nothing, just posting to make a post without giving any actual insight or reasons to anything going on... LYNCH THIS WITRH FIRE

I've spent so much energy on Glork that I've let other people drop off my radar. I'm going to be taking a closer look at people who I haven't scrutinized as closely.

Am interested in this....

Edit: OK you posted.

OK, at end of Day 1. DW and Capt would be my choice for lynch D2. PereV is useless, and I can see her as coasting. UN I am not sure on, I don't think his push on Haylen was scum pushing towards the end. I don't see scum putting themselves out there like he did (cant remember post no)

Will catc h up on D2 soon, just finished work.. urgh

[jasonT1981]

OK, something I will post now..
still catching up but this is fuckin important (The capt vote on UN)

vote: Uber ninja

Sheep on the horrible haylen wagon. And all the other reasons I have given. Let's lynch this guy now.

not so sure on this, I was iffy on UN but this

I really DO want Haylen lynched.

I don't think scum would be this bold to declare this.

I told you so.

But damn, both my town reads gone in one night.

Anyway, let's pick up where I left off.
VOTE: DeltaWave

Also

FoS:UberNinja

Because yeah that post was terribad but I prefer my Delta wagon.

For once, I agree with you on the DW... I see him as one of the best chances for scum today

Mod, can you start posting VSs at the end of each day so we can see the whole wagon? tanks.

Gonna talk to Reg first in addition to a reread of Day 1. Think my strongest town read is Cooldog now, just based off that first post of today.

can you go into a bit more detail please on Cooldog being town? I aint sure on him going into D2... I would be putting him in the orange right now.

this following exchange seems forced,

If I vote UN, will you guys help me wagon DeltaWave tomorrow?

Probably. Depends on if he's still scummy. It certainly looks possible at this point, though.

Okey dokey.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: UberNinja

Especially after Day 1 defending of UN

I think Haylen is town and why are people voting her?
UberNinja is null-town right now, nullness is probably due to the fact that he took forever to finally provide an explanation and answer to Haylen's question, otherwise he's been towny to me.
Glork is town for actively joining into the discussion and not laying low behind the Haylen/UN dialogue.

and here

CoolDog's big post about me + vote is completely disingenuous and isn't saying anything new.

He's parroting and hoping that nobody notices he's scum with Haylen. Too bad, bro. You're scum.

Just because other pepole might have made the argument before doesn't invalidate the argument.

I like this, it really sounds like it came from town.

Jump on the wagon baby jump on... only suspects him when a wagon is forming... LYNCXH CAPT WITH FIRE! SHE IS SCUM

[jasonT1981]

I actually think 1 scum on the wagon. I think there were some scum advocating the Haylen lynch without being on it in the first place. She was a perfect mislynch driven by obnoxious and loud town (*cough*GreyICE*cough*) which meant it was perfect for scum to advocate it without being seen.

I still think Jason is scum though. Jason DeltaWave and UN are my current picks for scum right now.

you had UN as town all D1... now a wagon on him d2 he is scum?

WHATS UP WITH THAT?

It's not making excuses for anyone.

Also I may not be able to remember exactly why they are scum but I do know it was for a good reason.

Translaion - I said something, cant remember because I am actually scum and dont nered to believe my cases on others.

Yeah, I'm here.

More later since my boss is in town, but no doc or JK, since Glork was obvious target.

wow... are you in this game?

Acceptable lynches today

PereV
Capt
DeltaWave (where is he?)

Town to scum reads

GreyICE
iamausername

Uberninja
Slaxx

Mastermind of Sin
CooLDoG

Porochaz
PeregrineV

DeltaWave
Captain Murasa

with that

vote:Capt murasa

[Porochaz]

Yeah, I'm here.

More later since my boss is in town, but no doc or JK, since Glork was obvious target.

There is a lot of PoE going on, which is horrible but out of everything, this was the worst PoE, from a logical standpoint but more importantly from a stating helpful advice to scum standpoint.