A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Goat on a Raft]

can we just kill quadz

If he fails to have knowledge of my flavorname, we kill him with fire tomorrow. He can be verified and so can I.

How? You're supposedly going to block him you incandescent fool!

[quadz08]

goat you should read the thread

it's good for you

[Titus]

He claimed cops. Cops instead of their result get my flavor name. Please read thoroughly.

[Eddard Stark]

Day 4, Vc 23

The Alchemist (2) -

Benmage, Cephrir

Titus (2) -

SafetyDance, elleheathen

SafetyDance (5) -

AGar, ooba, The Alchemist, Garruk Relentless, Titus

quadz08 (2) -

Shadoweh, kanyesknowsbest

Tierce (1) -

Katsuki

Garruk Relentless (1) -

Messiah Complex

No lynch (1) -

PrideandJoy

AGar (1) -

Nautilius

PrideandJoy (1) -

Goat on a Raft

Messiah Complex (1)-

Goat on a Raft

Not voting (3)

- Alfred Borden, Tammy, Tierce, quadz08

With 20 alive it takes 11 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 10th of November at 17:00 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-11-10 17:00:00)
  
• Tierce is V/la. Your mod is V/la again. elleheathen is V/la

[Benmage]

It is possible that a non-SD scum RB could have targeted me last night, I suppose, and SD actually

did

track me to nowhere.

Hrm.

UNVOTE:

Ah ha. Welcome back to planet earth.

Yes Tierce today is all bad.

Are we lynching ALch yet? I'll try and one-up Thors and wait for less than 18 hours to mock everyone into submission. Lord knows this towns good enuff to screw it up till than.

@Tammy

can you flesh out your read on Tierce please?

[Titus]

@Titus: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

That ISO looks damn near like an executioner. I've read a decent chunk of Syr and I didn't have a positive town read on him, so I'm fine with pressuring The Alchemist for now.

VOTE: The Alchemist

[Titus]

I am likely unavailable for the rest of the night. In advance if anyone asks any of the following

1) What my claim is
2) If Quadz v SD is a 1 v 1 or not
3) If anyone rehashes anything else.

[Goat on a Raft]

He claimed cops. Cops instead of their result get my flavor name. Please read thoroughly.

Well I remember seeing something about it earlier. It's a global redirect and roleblock combo right, but you're claiming that it doesn't "block" the investigation, but instead gives whatever cops in the game your Rolename? Do the cops have to target you?

I mean, sure, I'm not going to call that weird or anything because <3 Faraday <3
But - that's weird.

Also I'm going to point out that even if this is your role, and even if you are confirmed Named Whoever, that doesn't - in any circumstance - guarantee that you're town. Just so we're clear on that front.

[Goat on a Raft]

Like it was meant to be.

[Benmage]

Oh Titus, you don't even get the crux of Alchemist.

After playing the game normally as Syrana, and doing the whole Alch switch for etc.

She fakes being a different person, and prod dodge ACTIVE lurks the game for an extended period devolving D3 into utter shit. FOR ZERO REASON.

[Titus]

He claimed cops. Cops instead of their result get my flavor name. Please read thoroughly.

Well I remember seeing something about it earlier. It's a global redirect and roleblock combo right, but you're claiming that it doesn't "block" the investigation, but instead gives whatever cops in the game your Rolename? Do the cops have to target you?

I mean, sure, I'm not going to call that weird or anything because <3 Faraday <3
But - that's weird.

Also I'm going to point out that even if this is your role, and even if you are confirmed Named Whoever, that doesn't - in any circumstance - guarantee that you're town. Just so we're clear on that front.

Cops get redirected to me and their result becomes my flavor name.

Guaranteed that you are totally absolutely fixated on me and you got lucky the group ignored 620. See I can play tunnel vision too. Of course, if you are scum, Quadz has to be scum as well. Since I don't like Quadz as scum, you'll just go in the idiot pile.

[Tierce]

Yes Tierce today is all bad.

Question.

Is this an accusation aimed at me or commiserating with me that even someone who is barely reading the game seems to have a better grasp of it than most?

Because if it's the former, I challenge you to have a wedding involving assorted friends from out of state and keep pouring your full attention into the game. That V/LA banner is there for a reason and I'll be back tomorrow.

[AGar]

Okay, who is this "himself" that SafetyDance should have seen quadz visiting? Because quadz would never be seen visiting quadz if he was roleblocked by anyone.

Tammy is saying if SD tracked quadz, SD would've seen quadz go to SD.

[Benmage]

Yes Tierce today is all bad.

Question.

Is this an accusation aimed at me or commiserating with me that even someone who is barely reading the game seems to have a better grasp of it than most?

Because if it's the former, I challenge you to have a wedding involving assorted friends from out of state and keep pouring your full attention into the game. That V/LA banner is there for a reason and I'll be back tomorrow.

That statement had nothing to do with you personally.

[Benmage]

^Errr or anything game related with you specifically. (personally might have been read as rl)

[AGar]

Ok so I didn't block quadz.

REALLY didn't think I had to come out and actually say that because earlier, but I did not block quadz.

SD's claim has been very fucked (Naut isn't a ninja/ninjas avoid detection/I totally blocked Naut N2, tracked quadz N3), and SD's claim today of his results was almost as if he slipped with a block result ("quadz did not visit Tierce, or anyone for that matter.")

Let's not start down the trail of "scum RB blocked quadz" unless you're willing to string up SD, because that's really just not plausible. Be real.

SD should be dead by now.

[Tierce]

Okay, who is this "himself" that SafetyDance should have seen quadz visiting? Because quadz would never be seen visiting quadz if he was roleblocked by anyone.

Tammy is saying if SD tracked quadz, SD would've seen quadz go to SD.

Yeah, I got that now, that's why I wanted to check the meaning of 'himself'. Kind of puzzled why Tammy initially discounted the possibility of a scum blocker.

Anyway--I keep saying this. Still have friends over, we have a gaming night looming, I'll abide by my banner and be back in force tomorrow.

Benmage, yes, I have realized that there's something in the water. But I don't think ignoring the crazy and going immediately to The Alchemist is necessarily the best option. I still want to know why the heck was quadz/SafetyDance being sold as a 1v1 when their claims don't contradict each other. quadz's claim is a convenient one, but it's not damning and neither of them HAS to be lying. Saying otherwise, which people have been doing, rubs me the wrong way and I've only kept half an eye on the game for the past three days, so I don't get how people jumped to it so eagerly. A Town flip from either does not mean a scum flip on the other.

[Benmage]

The reason Alch is so juicy, is because I wanna see what happens with Titus, which sheds light upon quadz... and I just read SD as town... so cheah.

[quadz08]

Ok so I didn't block quadz.

REALLY didn't think I had to come out and actually say that because earlier, but I did not block quadz.

SD's claim has been very fucked (Naut isn't a ninja/ninjas avoid detection/I totally blocked Naut N2, tracked quadz N3), and SD's claim today of his results was almost as if he slipped with a block result ("quadz did not visit Tierce, or anyone for that matter.")

Let's not start down the trail of "scum RB blocked quadz" unless you're willing to string up SD, because that's really just not plausible. Be real.

SD should be dead by now.

I don't have any idea what to make of this post. If you don't think it's plausible that I was roleblocked by scum, then why aren't you voting me, since no town player has claimed to have roleblocked me?

[SafetyDance]

VOTE: SafetyDance

I did trigger with that phrase. No good came of outing that though. I never ever claimed my flavor unless Zdenek did.


Also in Lightkun's game it was shorter and I had a scum qt telling me what th fuck was going on.

just riding on the pony-tail of Dashie

Ok then...

I thought you were an idiot but now you're trying to interfere with cop testing by suggesting flavor. Lynch him with fire.

Of course, not admitting whether either flavor suggestion is real.

I'm not suggesting flavor eeeugh, this is an ASOIAF game, do you think people would not know what character said a phrase? Fuck even the ignorant could you know,USE A SMALL INVENTION CALLED GOOGLE. If you've full-claimed then why hide your role-name? IT HAS NO BEARING ON ALIGNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!

If you think that by uttering that phrase people haven't already guessed then that is complete folly and whilst your head is in the ground maybe you could something useful like drill for oil?

5% chance of both of you being town

- I'm just not feeling this - feels like this would require too many coincidences - 'Scum need to have roleblocked Quadz' , the day playing out the way it did. I'd still like to be through and remove the possibility of some going 'You should have waited for me to weigh in' on D5

I don't see how this is the least likely option. The counter-claim solely hinges on my lying and mixing up what I did on nights...which I haven't done, ever, and people had to have accepted that otherwise why unvote me in the first place, heck you weren't even on my wagon. Quadz could simply be one more sheep in the mix here who just happened to be blocked or whatever else. The scum-Quadz theory for his reasoning in doing this isn't much better either.

I'd be very disappointed if I'm lynched and he ends up town, but definitely not 95% surprised about it.

Also for this to be true then I have to be a full roleblocker with

a

vendoring skill unless Messiah is suddenly my partner too and this is all a ruse played out over night one between the most suspected person d1 still alive and a buddy? Which means their day one reads had to be an act? Lol

Why you choose the 60%>15% I don't know. Just remember you're only one vote, one voice tomorrow.

That's pretty no relevant to the game at all.

It was one of my roles, I had to marry someone by day two. I chose syryana and we shared a qt for a day before we got divorced by commute so we wouldn't die together as lovers.

Those two sentences do not agree with each other.

I'm still frustrated that AGar wasn't shot last night instead of "Faraday's troll-scum character".

Agar posted his character name...where?

ut not in such a fashion that it's relevant or I care in the slightest. This claim implies pretty strongly that SD is scum if it's true, so I will probably oppose lynching anyone other than the two of them. Unless some really attractive wagon that I desperately want anyway pops up.

It certainly does.

Vote: SafetyDance

I'm not really all that hyped about the SD wagon at the moment.

You're going to have to explain what happened here.

[SafetyDance]

PnJ, Why no lynch? If you're against the 1 v 1, then lynching another scum read is appropriate. Are you actually saying you have no scum reads outside of quadz/SD?

BenMage, I haven't got to the Alchemist yet in my read. Can you give me something besides The Alchemist's moronic push on me? I try not to lynch idiots solely for being idiots. SD has my vote because he's trying to derail the obvious way Quadz can prove himself as town. It seems like he's more against town unity and his clarity has been serving that purpose. I felt your frustration with Thor as I could see his play not being his best.

You are off you're rocker. There is no other way to describe it. ME, THE OTHER PERSON IN THIS "1V1" IS DISCUSSING WAYS WE CAN

BOTH

(THAT WORD MEANS QUADZ AND I) BE TOWN!!!

Spoiler:

Can someone explain why SafetyDance and quadz are being interpreted as 1v1?

Because it's not. A roleblocked player goes nowhere, not to themselves.

WHY IS THIS THE FIRST TIME (APART FROM ME) THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP!!!!

It is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fucking scummy that people have accepted this SOLELY has a 1v1 despite corroborating claims. FFS.

[SafetyDance]

well if he roleblocked Quadz N2, then w/e no point voting for Quadz. If N3, then yes, lynch Quadz. simple stuff

Quadz, nothing on this?

What's there to say? We don't know what SafetyDance actually meant, and I'm not particularly concerned about him possibly claiming to have roleblocked me. I'll freak out about it when people start voting me for it. *shrug*

if you knew that you were roleblocked, wouldnt you be a little bit more concerned here about whether or not he actually did roleblock you?

I did address this too

Okay, who is this "himself" that SafetyDance should have seen quadz visiting? Because quadz would never be seen visiting quadz if he was roleblocked by anyone.

Tammy is saying if SD tracked quadz, SD would've seen quadz go to SD.

Yeah, I got that now, that's why I wanted to check the meaning of 'himself'. Kind of puzzled why Tammy initially discounted the possibility of a scum blocker.

Anyway--I keep saying this. Still have friends over, we have a gaming night looming, I'll abide by my banner and be back in force tomorrow.

Benmage, yes, I have realized that there's something in the water. But I don't think ignoring the crazy and going immediately to The Alchemist is necessarily the best option. I still want to know why the heck was quadz/SafetyDance being sold as a 1v1 when their claims don't contradict each other. quadz's claim is a convenient one, but it's not damning and neither of them HAS to be lying.

Saying otherwise, which people have been doing, rubs me the wrong way

and I've only kept half an eye on the game for the past three days, so I don't get how people jumped to it so eagerly. A Town flip from either does not mean a scum flip on the other.

THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS. Hallelujah, sanity prevails. And it's Tierce too.

I mean seriously, If Quadz had said that he had gone and visited Faraday and got a town result, then THAT would be a true 1v1! How
his claim matching mine makes it a 1v1 BEFORE you even consider this or that we're both telling the truth I don't know. Seriously, I can't follow the logic here:

>run me up because you've misinterpreted what I say
>I explain why you're wrong and misinterpreting
>you believe me, wagon dissipates
>quadz gets run up and claims exactly what I said he did
>my wagon forms again



Garrul, Agar, Ooba, all look bad on this, so do Larry, Curly and Moe but they have their own problems.

[SafetyDance]

Syryana has been a scumread of mine since Day 1, I don't believe there was anything in his Day 1 posts that screamed town, so I am happy to vote there if Titus isn't a thing. Katsuki has done nothing to help StupendousMan slot and even Amished it, so would be happy there too.

As for this being RB madness, well everyone's becoming linked to each other now aren't they? I don't trust any of Garruk, Elle, Agar or Quadz now, so wouldn't mind knowing their alignment and if their claims are true, it would help clear others.

Since the majority of the list has claimed one way or the other, I'd be suggesting full claiming tomorrow, since it will tie stories down sooner rather than later.

[SafetyDance]

Oh yeah, leaning scum-read Borden and I wish I could swing one way or the other on the three hydras; PNJ, Naut, MC. Benmage to stop popping up to just post sense occasionally instead of active lurking would help too!

[ooba]

The scum-Quadz theory for his reasoning in doing this isn't much better either.

SD, clearly scum-Quadz is already getting his way.
- His claim had the benefit of both slightly implicating you while at the same time - not a straight 1vs1 so that he can back out later
- People are already moving onto other lynches

Sure macho cop is a ticking time bomb that'll be lynched if it's not killed anyway but he was at L-1 and now survives for two days - I call that a win for scum.

I get all your other reasoning but not that part about why Quadz looks so town to you.