andIn post 792, Loopdan wrote:Not sure what to make of Norska now. 783 seems pretty transparent, and JR says he isn't scum.
A thatsit flip would help info-wise. If he flips scum then I think it's likely there's scum in (Norska, Tweet).
Also, were you keeping an eye on the thread when you'd voted, or did you just pop back in a few hours later to unvote?
Accountant, I'm curious on your take there in particular given your first post of the dayIn post 864, JaeReed wrote:No, but they do. Because as conftown you lack the perspective that is unique to having someone push on you. That's largely why I didn't give a shit in nahdia's mini normal where I should have, because I was new to being conftown and didn't realize exactly how much sway that gave me. I didn't realize how much it devalued my opinion to just sheep someone I thought was town.
It's hard being conftown. I can understand your frustration there too because I've been on the other fucking side as town where conftown hasn't paid attention at all and doesn't give a shit and it's like "why are you even in this game?!?!" but it's not something I feel is a valid complaint from you because you've seen it before. You know the mindset. If all it was is a complaint against that then fine but..urgh. It's something that is more to be addressed on a larger stage, sadly. And even then idunno that it would help :/
.Norska, Accountant, never lynch
In post 871, Accountant wrote:It's LyLo. Please do not recklessly vote or the mafia might be able to quickhammer.
The night kill is extremely surprising to me. I'd have easily put down money that JaeReed lasted the night no matter what happened. Either they're scum, and will not die at night, or they're town, in which case scum has a roleblocker(since that's the only setup where cop and doctor both exist). In that case, scum has no reason to kill them, because they can simply roleblock Jae every night to prevent them from healing people, and keeping them alive gives mafia an easy target to push during LyLo, since many people will be suspicious of them.
The only reason, therefore, that I can think of for mafia to have killed JaeReed is that they were afraid JaeReed was onto them and would get them lynched in LyLo. I'm going to go check their ISO.
and your proposed scum team (Norka/Tweet) included someone that JR was scum-reading as he died (admittedly I'm only looking right before the flip so i could be missing something important), and you stated logic of "JR must be on the right track"... and you're proposing to lynch his town read?In post 866, JaeReed wrote:I'm not honestly 100% on thatsit scum but if he's not scum I want you to triple check tweet. I think her early game was good compared to her scumgame but that could potentially be the learning curve. I think she's more likely town and I do want the time to delve deeper using double isos and vca but if I don't get the chance I'm leaving it up to you.
...In post 571, Accountant wrote:Someone explain why Misa is town - I don't see it. Acting jokey and casual does not make you town. Transcend, I think it's pretty clear that me not voting Misa was due to me not realizing I hadn't voted yet, rather than due to any real attempt to dodge the Misa wagon - my posts before were, I think, fairly obviously a prelude to a Misa vote, especially the one where I talk about my PoE reasoning.
@Manuel: It's weird to me that you've been hard scumreading Tweet for the last few pages, but immediately sheep her onto a wagon she doesn't even strongly believe in("who will go here?"). Please explain this discrepancy.
Can you talk more about your thoughts on your d1 wagon? Voters 3/4 flipped town (d1/n1), and on d2 you seemed not especially interested in talking about that wagon, either in terms of the remaining voters (tweet/Manuel, at least in the context of their push on you) or the gamestate in general (why scum didn't hammer you or encourage your hammer, for instance). I'm curious both on your thought on that wagon in hindsight, as well as why you didn't think it something worth discussing in more depth d2.In post 608, Accountant wrote:Like, I can buy one person following their gut and switching votes from Misa to me, but 3-4 in a row, in rapid succession? I think at that point there's something not right going on there.
@WCS: Yes. I've stated my reasons for reading her as town and that hasn't changed.
I don't remember specifically, other than I did some re-reading.In post 961, mhsmith0 wrote:
@loopdan: what changed betweenandIn post 792, Loopdan wrote:Not sure what to make of Norska now. 783 seems pretty transparent, and JR says he isn't scum.
A thatsit flip would help info-wise. If he flips scum then I think it's likely there's scum in (Norska, Tweet).
I was watching the entire time.In post 961, mhsmith0 wrote:Also, were you keeping an eye on the thread when you'd voted, or did you just pop back in a few hours later to unvote?
I generally don't do wagon analysis. I have no idea what the heck was going on with that wagon, nor why it gained steam so quickly(the stated reasoning was literally "who will go here?"). My best guess as to why I wasn't hammered was that scum didn't want to catch flak for hammering the IC - or for starting a very obvious counterwagon that's also frivolous in nature. This fits in with scum!Tweet and scum!Manuel both.In post 968, mhsmith0 wrote:Can you talk more about your thoughts on your d1 wagon? Voters 3/4 flipped town (d1/n1), and on d2 you seemed not especially interested in talking about that wagon, either in terms of the remaining voters (tweet/Manuel, at least in the context of their push on you) or the gamestate in general (why scum didn't hammer you or encourage your hammer, for instance). I'm curious both on your thought on that wagon in hindsight, as well as why you didn't think it something worth discussing in more depth d2.
I guess this is at least a partial explanation of it if your TRs there were sufficiently strong to make you believe on d2 that you really did get wagoned entirely by town and then not hammered by scum or derp town. That's a weird as hell game state though.In post 474, Accountant wrote:Manuel is town because I think scum!Manuel would sit on a lurker rather than push you. You're town for the same reasons Transcend is - you've been making consistently solid posts and your thought process is clear and I think oriented towards trying to identify and lynch scum. While it's not to say that scum can't make solid posts, I think it's much harder for scum to fake that kind of mindset. Scum trying to look town usually make posts that look good on the surface but that don't contribute much to actual scumhunting, but I didn't get the impression at your posts are shallow.In post 473, Morning Tweet wrote:Manuel v. Tweet is TvT.
Furthermore, the easy way in which everyone else seems to be letting you two fight or focusing on your fight seems to me to be a sign of either apathy or scum who is more than happy to let two town members go at each other tooth and nail. In particular I think townies would try to push their own scumreads rather than try to make the decision into a false dichotomy of Manuel vs Tweet. This is why Misa's lack of scumreads is very concerning to me - I think she doesn't have any so she can go "well, I don't have anyone to push, so I'll just pick between Manuel and Tweet".
