Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

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the stuff he's saying is like highly public and objectively obvious and you suggesting i'm prompting it is agenda driving for the sake of it -_-

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the stuff he's saying is like highly public and objectively obvious and you suggesting i'm prompting it is agenda driving for the sake of it -_-

Dude please. I know you're scum, you know I know you're scum. I genuinely don't care if my advantage in thread uptime is perceived as an unfair one by you.

lol

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i'm resuming just not engaging with RC at all
if y'all can't see this shit get an eye test

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I don't consider this a moral obligation btw:
I think that really it's on you and Duck to accept you can't put the time in to win this by force and you haven't been towny enough to skate past D1 so you lose, if my read of the overall situation is correct.
But I'm going to do it anyway because... not really sure why, but I'm sure doing it.

this isn't a dialogue that needs to happen mid-game. it's literally nothing but posturing.

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strike 2
not engaging more with RC
sorry

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I can see exactly how you worked through this to reach that conclusion but the conclusion still made me laugh. Sorry. This isn't meant to be discrediting. I think you're even more likely town for the way you've powered through this rather than freeze/back down but.... All I can really say is "yeah no".

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Not in a million billion gazillion years will I accept/believe that scum!duck will PURPOSEFULLY create this kind of gamestate with scum!RC

even for TM

ever

wtf

Actually obviously don't take my word for it but I think this post kinda sums up why it jars me at least. I can't speak for RC (I don't think he's doing this intentionally either though), but the contributions I've made towards toxifying the thread aren't like... within my "moral scum theatre range".

I know you'll read me how you will and obviously I'm not going to enter trust tell territory; this is just a useful way for me to debrief on my initial reaction I think?

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I agree it was more spammy than toxic. Definitely. Still forcing people to read through pages of drivel isn't something I'm proud of.

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Ari/RC genuinely might be two scumslots but like without going down the associate madness rabbit hole in not sure how to read Ari right now. I'm voting my strongest scumread.

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Scum can do really powerful emotions.

Historically my emotional scumrange isn't HUGE but I'm certainly capable of being a prick as scum yeah

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I agree it was more spammy than toxic. Definitely. Still forcing people to read through pages of drivel isn't something I'm proud of.

And no one is proud of every post they make.

The spamminess only served scum.

Yeah; I'm p grateful for you intervening and calling this out when you did.

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A big part of me still wants to jam with Xtoxm too but I'm suddenly wary his team are like, all stronger lategame players

pedit: rc/teacher? I like teacher for town aorn

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I'm just down the road from home after work too. Twins.

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This probs isn't surprising given my current input but I think it says more about RC than flopz. Flopz is p close to null, he needs to calm down and try playing again imo

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This probs isn't surprising given my current input but I think it says more about RC than flopz. Flopz is p close to null, he needs to calm down and try playing again imo

I think scum!flopz got caught pants down with his initial post, tried to downplay it by saying that post was just an extended 'hi wassup' and didn't want to justify his *actual* scumread(s) in that post by saying that post was not him scumhunting despite it clearly being so.

Him saying he got scumread prior to even posting is just not true (at least not on my account). Then in his ketchup he didn't (want to?) respond to why I was scumreading him, ignoring my post about it.

His frustration with being scumread can easily come from scum. Would like to pressure there and see what he does.

This is a totally fine read and it wouldn't surprise me if it was accurate

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I think math is town

Agree strongly

I am about to crash it’s late here. Any other questions?

All free from me. Sleep well.

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loving the flavour, @implo

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dude I spent like half a minute as well lmfao

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My concrete stance is itt. I don't have a read on Ari.

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if this game is stressing you out you could focus on your teammates games for a bit

I've been doing a fair bit of this to escape my frustrations hahah it has been nice.

Ico posting above this feels like ico with his buttons pressed - I also think it's openminded/the conversation was made to press people's buttons not make friends - think this is getting more and more like townconeum

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You already are!

This post is like a clean and less angsty way of saying the actually-substantial part of what I've been trying to say.

Mathblade is town btw, in case that wasnt blindingly obvious ^

Agree v v strongly

Surface level vca makes me even more strongly want to wait until Ari can actually play the game but I don't really see how the vc can be anything different

+ points to skitter for cw

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yes n_n

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It's not super alignment indicative no and belittling my frustrations to me being annoyed @ ur postcount is more posturing if that's ur angle

Gonna go do other stuff. This is sure a way to start the day.

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I don't suppose Eddie/my comments were persuasive?

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we feel like consistently quite good about iconeum

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eddie is so sure ico is town he wishes he could put a $20 on it.
he also likes skitter/math a lot for town

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i'm not super inclined to swim in the grey area of joking about siterules aorn but like, we're obviously not actually gonna gamble

i'll take the mutual confidence in town!ico tho the more eddie and i talked about it the better i feel about my dragon pal

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(and first part of #1823 was for clarity/posterity, not being dismissive of siterules)

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no worries, good call.

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this is me not engaging in another circular bullshit storm

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tris i need more of your reads and less of an explanation please; what you're focused on happened a while ago and it's very surface level earlygame stuff

A50 is actually reading the game now and he thinks ari is town fwiw as of pg7

could he expand on what's townpinged him? i strongly strongly feel that we should let ari kinda do his thing rather than plynch him to ...? try and sort rc off his flip ...? and i keep ranting to cancel food about it and generally they agree

I don't suppose Eddie/my comments were persuasive?

I didnt actually read them due to the ~argument~ but i shall take a look a little later and get back to u

thanks. we both like this read a lot.

And TW bringing up Eddie Cane every other post to try to spew himself town is just stupidly blatant.

i was largely solo til eddie got home, now he's more involved
ank has been in & out but less engaged in my game
dann is busy

i'm gonna talk about the teammate giving me the most feedback yea

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this is me not engaging in another circular bullshit storm

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yeah sorry can't stay out of the shitstorm

tbh i don't think i can read ari yet
if he's scum i think this is tmi
if he's town like... all of this kinda just speaks for itself

RC is very literally powerdriving a policy lynch on aristophanes because he is busy in real life. he'll be here sunday. we need to let him engage with people **other** than RC because i don't think RC is capable of engaging with ari in good faith right now with the result leading to anything actually solving ari's alignment meaningfully.

if you're all bending to RC's will with this lynch rather than lynching it because you think Ari is scum... stop please?
if anyone has a sincerely strong read on Ari could they please speak up? / I'd be really interested in seeing A50's pings on early town!ari?

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I'd be really interested in seeing A50's pings on early town!ari?

Give me like ~2 hours

thanks.

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any reads/thoughts you have on:

- RCEnigma
- Aristophanes, if you have an alignment read
- Iconeum
- Plum
- bella
- teacher

are worth extra credit rn

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no
rolling scum against me was your major mod error this game
; )

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alright i'm done again

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you guys want me to hammer this so we we can get on with it y/n

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light town on rce from eddie

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this is me not engaging in another circular bullshit storm

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If you want TW

Btw game aside, how you holding up down there?

not too bad thanks
this game is the biggest stresser atm

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i wish all games had a mathblade

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i'm like not actually gonna hammer pals i sincerely think ari should be readable here.

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ok

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this is me not engaging in another circular bullshit storm

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So as said before.... lynching Ari when he hasn't read the game and hasn't alignment told is fucking stupid. RC is still fucking scum. He's playing the extremely-fucking-obvious out with Ari when he's been indignant in pushing for the lynch / agreed to my fake offer for me to hammer earlier.

Idk if this is the most ott pocket ever or RC hard steering the phase off lynching his scum buddy but like it says a tonne more about RC's alignment than Ari's :shrug:

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Mathb this play is manipulative. Don't try to reason with the seal, he ain't town

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For sure. But RC literally controls the thread via presence; he just has the time to do so. If I go through this without reminding folks about stuff.

Like I accept hard 1v1ing this phase likely causes my lynch. I just want the narrative he's creating to be documented.

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Mathb this play is manipulative. Don't try to reason with the seal, he ain't town

My goal is not to influence him.

He doesn’t listen to me.

However the more he doesn’t listen to reason the more people see what I see in Raybells.

He made his Ari scum bed.

Now we get a chance to evaluate Raybells based off it.

He can moan about it if he wants but it won’t change a thing.

Raybells isn’t the dictator of this game.

sigh
I trust you a lot Mathb

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Your read on me is fake news your approach to my slot is fake news me and NSG both think you're scum you die either before or after me bad duck no breadcrumbs

Given NSG is caught up would she mind addressing Eddie's q's?

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Like she can't read you

she hasn't town read me since like q1? 2019 which I didn't want to talk about; before that it was literally coalition a year ago

her only attempt to read town!me since had lead to her like hard scumreading me

I'm not wrong here RC she and I just haven't played as much as I'd thought

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That is a response.

Bad the worst.

This leads to your lynch/mislynch

Whatever your alignment stop responding let RC have the last word

Sorry - last comment done with #1970.

Look I'm going to try and help Eddie engage with the slot because he kinda thinks I'm being a dick and there's more reasonable ways to engage with / sort RC rn

He also thinks RC is scum he's just (secretly) nicer than me

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She also said it took her about 2 minutes to hard townread you in 9:12 (but one data point and predicting town is 70% right but still)

i'd attribute a fair bit to this being a larger & much harder game

i found it like *abnormally* easy to towntell in that 09:12; like i was a tpr in a very townsided open in which case i replaced iconeum who was sincerely extremely obvtown and it was a town stomp.

idk what to tell you; but at the very least i'd expect nsg to
acknowledge that my town/scumgames are not day and night anymore :p

regardless. i'm a lot more interested in her thoughts on eddie's q's than like our history/meta if that's ok

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at this point ari is almost like a proxy for the tw/rc thing

and if he's town i'd think rc is scum pushing a tw/rc narrative
and if he's scum i'd tw was trying to defend him

Ok

But what if NSG is actually right that Duck was trying to fake associatives and screw with me

sorry, i'm going to calmness-check myself before i reply and only reply when i feel it matters but god i wish i was this good :{

the best i've done of this was literally BoP2 and i only managed to get urap to consider that i wasn't totally partnercleared with you in order to vent his frustrations by locking you as scum and it was something enter and i very much came up with at the 11th hour and it shouldn't have worked

like you've suggested i have a really strong vein of poor associatives with ari and i'm not sure why i ever look at this plist and v/la ari and go "mmmm yeet let's pretend to be scum with afkstophanes"

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cuz if you're town we go back and look at the points you brought up when we're not embroiled in a 2day long 1v1 wherein anybody talking about it liable to continue it

^ this

if we get an RC townflip i don't think i can get through this without an absolute roasting of an AMA off what's itt atm. if i were a scumslot i don't think i have a path to endgame unless rc is just categorically kept alive so that people are too petrified to murder either of us :s

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She had colorful words to describe how little sense your position on Aristophanes made.

i'm happy for her.
if she's town i hope you both get a decent laugh postgame

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this is me not engaging in another circular bullshit storm

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VOTE: RadiantCowbells

back to work seeya later

skitter & math both - i sincerely wish i could stay cool long enough to do half of what you guys are doing rn. thank you.

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real quick: ico bella math skitter ~maybe~ rce town ottomh

pedit: i think y'all know me too well to treat my sincerity as AI; skitter especially knows me too well to treat me saying nice things as towny. i say them because they're important holistically.

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eddie town!coneum rescued from the dumpster fire of my iso

Spoiler:

sorry that was meant to be earlier, got pedit'd

eddie thinks ico... in duck words, "has a limited scumrange".

stuff like this pings him as very natural:

hi skitter

i'm here

wanna talk about stuff

before you say that i am dodging you again

dude i'm spending more time googling what you are saying then anything else here fml

50 bucks says floppie hasn't actually read past that mathblade post yet

not really

I'm going with the flow a bit, I don't have enough strenght to push this game in the direction I want, which is Floppy. There's a strong scumread on him in my head, but I've also already largely written that out in here but nobody seems interested yet.

Watching closely to see how this is playing out wrt Tris, on which I don't really have a read rn.

I'm considering this to be a chill game despite some players trying to prove otherwise, and I'm quite happy with having a few good townreads and a few good scumreads rn. There's nothing I can do to force the low-content scumreads to post more, so yeah.

he feels like these are just not things scum does in this kind of gamestate to white knight, esp. vs someone like RC

it doesn't feel like scum defending a partner

so it's kinda defaulting to town

i don't really see ari as scum

would lynch in xtoxm/bella/flopz all before ari

I know you know ari a LOT better then I do, but does that fuck all attitude doesn't read like it comes from scum

Alright lads, new year ergo new me. I'm getting REAL annoyed at all these players jumping down on me just because I'm not good at this game. RadisntCowbells (what kind of name even is that?) and teacher implying I'm scum.

What a load of horseshit!

Back off NOW and stop scumreading me for shitty reasons. All I was doing was saying I'm involving myself in the game and all I got in return was attack after bloody attack. How am I supposed to even breathe at this point?!?!?

I joined as a personal favour to Hectic but nobody told me it was going to be like this. I thought this was supposed to be a fun game wiht intersesting debates where everyone was supposed to critique the arguments and not belittle everyone's character but this was completely different to that. Who'd want their first game to be filled with such utter tripe? I expected better from such

VETERANS

. If Team Mafia is supposed to be representative of the site as a whole, the mods should be clamping down on this toxicity and personal attacks. Aggressiveness and enthusiasm are absolutely fine, attacks and toxicity are beyond the pale.

Just look at 154, how is that even allowed?

My Team has already lost the game at this point so this is just a slog for slogging's sake. Hopkirk spent fucking eages ranting about this shit on this discord about how it's now literally impossible for us to win no matter what we fucking do. We've spent more time arguing about that then I have even spent in this terrible game. We've already got a modkill on D1 which has killed much of my enthusiam for Team Mafia and all this bullshittery going on is not fucking helping anything.

instead of quoting the one post this game has had that went into toxic territory (but it actually isn't toxic at all), I don't know what game you've been reading.

There's a lot of discussion out there about WHY you are potentially scum, but you seem to be ignorting this because? If you think you can hide behind calling this game and it's players toxic, you are sadly mistaken.

If you want debates, how about you start adressing the posts that call you scum? Or make actual contributions to the game? Because you called your previous posts 'not scumhunting' yourself.

he also doesn't think this feels like scum aggression


as an aside when he went thru the iso to pick out post #s he said he's doubling down on this read

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ico can't associatives at all either; AvP is his strongest scumgame by a mile and he absolutely froze solid when his partners were talked about

if anyone can ctrl+f ari in his iso whether or not they could be partners should be workoutable

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kinda don't think he... talks about a partner this much tbqh? he also hasn't been *frozen* when asked for opinions but also hasn't felt the need to have a trajectory on ari

gth i'd lean away from ari/ico partners but it's probably not clearing

sorry i tried to spoiler but it broke.

What’s your thoughts on Ari?

i don't dislike him

there's literally nothing he did or said that pinged me

i don't see anything scum!ari related

i'm trying to determine how likely it is that scum!RC tries to hard push ari like this in the early game

don't really see him doing that because lack of need
there's also really not a lot of content in ari's posting so far (i understand that RC sees that differently here), so it's a far stretch for scum!RC to be fabricating that kind of read, especially at this stage of the game...

So that was an amount to read. I read half the forum yesterday and the rest today and I'll just say what thoughts have popped into my dome from this experience.

From the whole Maths v RC situation it seems at the very least that they aren't svs. The constant bickering is way too much to be fabricated in my humble opinion. Still, the sudden TR of RC by Math was odd and ellicited a ping or two. I can definitely see the LAMIST accusations at Math too, will need to do another big look over to nail where I land on them at this stage in the game.

Now to the RC v Skitters debacle, Skitters had initially pinged me as Scum which was bolstered in the if Math is Scum so is RC chain of reasoning. However, the way that Skitters had reacted did not seem Scum constructed to get out of trying to spread faulty logic and more of a genuine emotional reaction in the way it played out which more or less flipped my read on its head.

Ari is a big SR for me, for the usual reasons, the Maths pocket attempt was not cool.

UNVOTE:

Gonna be disappearing for a decent portion of the day, should hopefully be able to show up in the evening.

VOTE: Ari I see the mistake and am fixing it post haste. I was gonna do that when I returned in the evening, with some more substance, which I see was a bad move.

Plum, this wasn't really an attempt at scumhunting, The post was just to show I was alive and had read the thread. I can't see what you mean by buddying with Ari.

Maths, I don't think I've said enough yet to count as agreeing with you too much. The only part from what I've written that I've seen you agree with is the last part.

flopz, if you say it wasn't meant as scumhunting, why did you feel the need to make it look like you scumhunting? why not just pop in and say you are reviewing everything?

this makes me feel like you are very worried about how your slot is perceived here, moreso then any townie would really be concerned about

also 'Ari is a big SR to me' without voting there isn't town thinking

VOTE: flopz

I think all of RC/Math/tw/Ari/skitter (if town) are players that scumteam are going to be wanting to 'fearkill', and I don't think you stand out high over anyone else on that list

i don't really see ari as scum

would lynch in xtoxm/bella/flopz all before ari

Bad rc, I stopped being mislynch bait today.

Ceph says Ari is scum (klick agrees), that plum is just good at talking so I should be more cautious there, that math is 'crazy pants and unreadable' (I'm leaving this til like, day three, lol) and that ico is town BC he's bad at scum and it would've been obv by now.

Actually, I think the strongest part of my scumgame is my D1-2. I end up struggling later on most of the time.
Did they provide any explanation to Ari!scum reads that might help?

I'm fully caught up, and I see Ari being called scum, but I've not seen a case on him?

So how about them Saints?

I hear they have more free time to find more scum.

VOTE: Xtom

do you think xtoxm is scum?
i'm like, assertively null on him aorn

I like that xtom vote from Math

Spoiler: druidic gremlin

Vote Count 1.11

tris

(3): Aristophanes, skitter30, Plum

Xtoxm

(3): Iconeum, teacher, MathBlade

Flopz

(2): RCEnigma, Bellaphant

Aristophanes

(2): Flopz, RadiantCowbells

RadiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm, the worst

MathBlade

(1): tris

Not voting (0):

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to two weeks from day start, in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Tris wagon is meh?
Xtoxm wagon could use more votes
Flopz definitely needs more votes maybe I'm more usefull here
Ari is ehhhhhh, with flopz on it. I'll reread RC to see if he provided actual reasoning on Ari being scum?
RC votes are bleh
Tris being on mathblade is also ehhh

VOTE: ico

bella has seen da wae
can you see da wae?

Hey...Juicy theory

RC+TW = SvS

I had reasons.

Alright. I WILL be able to fully catch up a few hours from now. In the meantime does anyone have anything they want to say to me right now?

Have a drink while you read. It’s painful.

Would want your opinion on if RC+TW = SvS

wait ur serious about this?

wow

duckling is fine giving ari more time

then ari comes in and posts some super fake stuff

who knew

I don't see why anyone should NOT be giving Ari more time? Is your read on him set in stone?
RC if you think Ari's read on flopz is faked, why don't you think my flopz read is faked too?

I don't consider this a moral obligation btw:
I think that really it's on you and Duck to accept you can't put the time in to win this by force and you haven't been towny enough to skate past D1 so you lose, if my read of the overall situation is correct.
But I'm going to do it anyway because... not really sure why, but I'm sure doing it.

Here it is again.
The rare qualifier from Raybells.

You used this in the one scum if statement I mentioned in my ramble.

This likely means that you think the worst is going to win and be townie enough to skate past day one.

Because...you’re scum with the worst.

WAIT UR ACTUALLY SERIOUS ABOUT THAT SCUMTEAM?

Yes I am serious about it. It matches Raybells to a T and the worst isn’t a leader type.

It also explains why (assuming Ari scum) that Raybells was able to read Ari as scum and couldn’t really explain it. He just knew and got impatient.

I think the worst is a leader type when he feels like it. I also know that he isn't a type that will ever agree to creating this kind of toxicity, as any allignment. Implying they are S/S implies they CHOSE to argue like that. No.

If they are bussing Ari, who are we to stop them?

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rc why am i your top townread?!?!?!

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sorry trying to keep things lighter : (
i'll go work

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flopz for how pissed he was at being scumread before he actually played, he seemed really disappointed

sorry to be contrarian but did you find this explicitly ai? i talked about this a bit in the channel and i really haven't been convinced that it's alignment indicative being upset about what he perceives to be the quality of team mafia here & not having an opportunity to play. like if i replaced into a dead slot that was being scumread widely i'd be pretty annoyed/disappointed as well in a lot of ways

similar here wrt rce - it just feels like he's a continuous good energy itt. he doesn't feel opportunistic, just curious and like he's taking in information and... considering the goings-on. rce has a rare high activity/highly contemplative style as town and i agree this looks like it

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@flopz, you seem disgusted by the fact you are being scumread right now.

Do you think there are any good reasons for us to be townreading you?

I haven't done enough for anything to go either way which is why i'm so exhasperated for the calls for my head when all I've done is drop in and say hi.

maybe i'm just very bad with ate but this struck me as townie ^
it's not a super strong read but i don't wnt to go there rn

i think i see what you mean; there's a pretty rare kinda exasperation there which i think rings pure.

i guess fmpov i'm just not decided on whether that purity is more likely to come from town or not

agreed, probably better to give the slot time

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i can see why some combination of {rc,tw} carries optic pocket equity. we've kinda just stopped yelling at each other because it's not going anywhere. both of us either need to solve, or appear that we're solving. you and mathblade are the ones here who are trying to solve and mathblade has gone to sleep; so we probably look like quite cliche pockety.

i'm not going to impose my reads on you so like. in order to have a more productive conversation, i'll try and work outside of us... is there somewhere else where you feel like you have high pocket equity?

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I don't doubt it

a lot of my argument is that you CAN lynch me and you're choosing to exercise that at the expense of reading my slot with an open mind dude

i'm saying
let's put that aside
is skitter concerned about being pocketed by anyone who ISN'T us
because we've had our share of the thread

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let's not

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would people prefer if i did the same?

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Flopz is better than we deserve

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Still waiting on Ari
RC saying same shit
VOTE: RC
If ml happens just remember to lynch RC tomorrow
if you all want to solve the shitfest gamestate please please lynch in RC/me because nobody is doing much outside of RC shitting the thread up with literally any noise that he thinks might stick and I like legit don't blame people for not wanting to play

tyia

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Why are you so passionately dedicated to letting this gamestate continue to exist

ok I don't know I don't have teamsolves I just see scum and want it dead

I'll go for anyone I don't townread tbh

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gonna keep this short and sharp

- rc's read on me was as an Ari partner desperately trying to defend him (e.g. 1494) which he has now pivoted into a world with town!ari/scum!tw.. If Ari is indeed town it's completely ludicrous to suggest that I would randomly decide to hard push RadiantFuckingCowbells of all people to derail Ari's mislynch for virtually no fucking reason. Keep in mind he's also meta pegged me as scum who does bare minimum, and is now attempting to hard case me as scum who fights a dragon while desperately trying to derail an easy mislynch. this isn't scum!me trying to murder RC. this is always town!me.

- if you're considering just policy murdering RC & I both for shitting up the thread please just consider for a moment that he has literally 3x my postcount and I am only the fourth highest poster itt. without being hard tilted I'm pretty capable of topposting or top 5 posting without spamming the thread.

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Aristophanes. We meet at last.
What's on your mind?

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Aristophanes. We meet at last.
What's on your mind?

Worstie! =D

I'm just thinking I should Iso players that have manageable postcounts to start and see where I get from that.
Honestly should probably start cleanslated reads-wise. I don't remember my reasoning from when the game opened for most of my reads.

Like I just read through Teacher and while he is pretty surfacy in his reads and doesn't look like he's trying to advance the game, I know that wasn't my reason for my initial read. It definitely doesn't look too good on him though.

How are you, TW?
Is there anything in particular you'd like me to look at?

Maybe go Iconeum if you dare? Reasonable post count but I think he's a pretty easy read atm. Is Nancy following this one? I'd be p interested in her summary of she is

I know she's not you but it she is up to date its easy to engage with her

And I'm doing ok thanks - how're you? Hope you're not working yourself too hard still.

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And I'm doing well too! Eased off on working like a mad man and had my first driving lesson yesterday, which was actually not as scary as I've made it out to be!

Congratulations, glad you're taking care of yourself. Driving is a fair bit of fun tbh as long as you've got a good teacher/instructor.

Could you maybe ask Auro/Nancy why they don't have reads? I know scum!Nancy is by her own account kinda infamous for having low solving content so if she in particular could update us on how she's reading the game that'd help a lot.

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But sure, gimme a minute to do that since you'd rather engage with them.

Tbh we would rather engage with both

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Like not for you to give us explicitly, like should at least have like been Hmm I think x is town or y is scum

Him not even bringing up his reads but pressuring you to post in the game for the team is insane as town tbh. Like why read your game and end up with 0 reads???

Lol yeah.

Nancy also has been reading by Ari’s own posts.

The fact she hasn’t had an opinion whether she can or can’t read me is baaaaaad.

I kinda just agree with this quote chain

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But sure, gimme a minute to do that since you'd rather engage with them.

Tbh we would rather engage with both

I agree with this but you’re prob scum coaching him soooooo

I'm trying not to be offended that you think I'd coach this.

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No offense intended but like
I can't coach you being personally adorable
If I was coaching you I'd suggest a more flashy/momentous return

Whatever it says for your alignment you're kinda just, here getting ready to play you know? It doesn't feel like the type of opener I could see myself coaching.

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Jamming with Eddie as this convo is going on
we're pretty strong on 1 scum in {rc, ari}

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allowing that
his reads w/o partnerhunting are

{me > ico > math}
{skitter > rce > bella}
{flopz, plum, teacher, tris, xtoxm}
{ari}
{rc}

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Jamming with Eddie as this convo is going on
we're pretty strong on 1 scum in {rc, ari}

Only one? Is that Eddie’s opinion?

yeah

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@math, from eddie - bussing doesn't feel particularly likely and the catch-up from ari is lackluster

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So Eddie is assuming RC’s reads are trash and Ari is scum (which is odd)
Or that RC scum decides not to push Ari mislynch? Which again is odd.

This one's tw: we already know if rc is town his reads suck. If he is town this doesn't feel like he's bussing ari, if he's scum then no I don't think he can readily opportunistically gun for an Ari mislynch without surrendering a fair bit of standing in this plist

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and from Eddie - rc thinks ari is town? That's news to him.

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So Eddie is assuming RC’s reads are trash and Ari is scum (which is odd)
Or that RC scum decides not to push Ari mislynch? Which again is odd.

This one's tw: we already know if rc is town his reads suck. If he is town this doesn't feel like he's bussing ari, if he's scum then no I don't think he can readily opportunistically gun for an Ari mislynch without surrendering a fair bit of standing in this plist

Reread this and tell me what’s wrong with your post TW.

I'm here for less than half an hour and simultaneously working so like tbh I have no idea what you're talking about and I'm not really interested in trying to read your mind.

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I felt exactly that way like an hour? ago

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(not that, like, that team ever thinks that I'm scum here.)

ah sweaty... : ( if you are town we got some chats postgame

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eddie again:
@rc
- he considers you good, and respects your reads on some people are incredible (maria as an offhand example). but you scumread him in every game. he asks if you remember rapier, where you/he both had great reads outside of hard tunnelling each other.
- he asked nsg the questions he did because his stake in this game is town and he's never been wrong on her. he's owning that you blocking that dialogue has helped tunnel vision.
- he still thinks you're probably? scum but you're posting too much and kinda being a dick. your playstyle makes it challenging having fun in games. he asks if you can chill the fuck out.
- he also asks who you think should be leading lynches, and asks which game has a scumflip so far. if you're town, then you are good town. you should realise there's at least a 1% chance you're wrong on us.
- he still just doesn't think you're town but doesn't have it at 0%. he lists 5 townreads that he feels good about. he's trying to sort the parts of the game which don't involve you. if my slot is scum, my posting will show it. so please chill out. he needs more xtoxm/plum/tris/teacher/ari/flopz, not more rc/rc/rc/rc/rc/rc/rc. if we aren't town, we have 2 partners. if you're not town, you have two partners. let's just be respectful.

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2304 makes sense from town!ari tho

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i don't know rapier so w/e i'll let eddie reply if he feels the need to
can you focus on the like 20 more relevant parts of that postp lsplsplsp

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So Eddie is assuming RC’s reads are trash and Ari is scum (which is odd)
Or that RC scum decides not to push Ari mislynch? Which again is odd.

This one's tw: we already know if rc is town his reads suck. If he is town this doesn't feel like he's bussing ari, if he's scum then no I don't think he can readily opportunistically gun for an Ari mislynch without surrendering a fair bit of standing in this plist

Reread this and tell me what’s wrong with your post TW.

I'm here for less than half an hour and simultaneously working so like tbh I have no idea what you're talking about and I'm not really interested in trying to read your mind.

@math this still applies.

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I'm not reading you anymore and I don't see the point of engaging with you or Eddie Cane for its own sake given that you're just trying to use it as a vehicle to selfspew town.

i'm not sure what your issue with me alignment spewing is dude

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So Eddie is assuming RC’s reads are trash and Ari is scum (which is odd)
Or that RC scum decides not to push Ari mislynch? Which again is odd.

This one's tw: we already know if rc is town his reads suck. If he is town this doesn't feel like he's bussing ari, if he's scum then no I don't think he can readily opportunistically gun for an Ari mislynch without surrendering a fair bit of standing in this plist

Reread this and tell me what’s wrong with your post TW.

Still waiting for this TW.

And we can get Ari’s role PM by lynching him.

RC care to explain what’s wrong with this post?

oh i used too many pronouns and the alignments in the second half don't make sense

reads better as:
This one's tw: we already know if rc is town his reads suck. If {ari} is [scum] this doesn't feel like he's bussing ari, if {rc} is scum then no I don't think he can readily opportunistically gun for an Ari mislynch without surrendering a fair bit of standing in this plist

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i used too many pronouns and the alignments in the second half don't make sense

dw mathb i gotchu

i wrote the sentence backwards while commuting, my reworded version makes a lot more sense if you want to talk about that

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from eddie
it was tom who said that rc's reads suck [true]
but fhpov rc's strongest scumread is on town so they're clearly not perfect

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Spoiler: to rc from eddie with spite

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10803774
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10795862
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10797603
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10796461
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10830014
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10830009
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10830003

"bad reads" here

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10813506
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10813332
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10840521

he asks who was on both scum lynches
and who was on neither

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I am pretty sure TW actually doesn’t want to lynch you

how far do you want to test this ; )

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again i sincerely don't care and will let eddie respond if he has the time/inclination
can we pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee talk about any of the 80 more relevant things going on

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i'm kinda fine just gladiating the fuck out of RC today and if you do lynch me, i flip town and very literally require that d2 of this game is everyone nakedvoting RC without speaking until he is dead so that the surviving people can actually play the game from then on

like if you want to doubt the seriousness of tw/rc while suggesting it's all a bunch of shit for scum theatre, i'd be v v v happy to show you how serious i am? like get his ass to l-1 and i will reactively lolhammer

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Like literally Ank is on your team and would never condone a statement as stupid as the one that EC just made regarding that game.

ank is busy
eddie said he checked his iso and didn't read brigitte as town once

i'm not gonna let my teammate lose a kinda stupid fight just because he can't control the slot but if you could just agree to both shut the fuck up about it i'd be really grateful

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skitter said she'll vote me over rc if she's like, forced to and if the lynch is between us two

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skitter said she'll vote me over rc if she's like, forced to and if the lynch is between us two

Except it’s not. Ari is the leading wagon. And that way he will likely stay.

you can help fix this.

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ari if you'd rather vote rc, that's also a viable wagon.

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from eddie, he's kinda done with addressing RC being a thing in this game
he tried treating him like town
y'know
like a townie without perfect info does
rc chose to

nitpick a random topic he himself admits is ai

rather than focus on the absolute mountain of more relevant topics

ari recent posting is ok tonally but the content is bad. he's back to the null pile.

tw
ico
math
skitter
rce
bella
flopz/plum/teacher/trix/xtoxm/ari
rc

VOTE: RC

sidenote rc claiming invest, assuming he is invest, just gets him roleblocked when he would be a high enough nk equity as a vt
yet actually lolclaiming invest as invest gets him....roleblocked......which nullifies the value of his invest
he's not a fucking town investigative
he knows he isn't getting lynched and wants an excuse not to get nk'd

side sidenote - now ank has read up and she's dead from how stupid this thread was. now one of my teammates is dead. thanks stupid thread.

ok bye

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rc chose to nitpick a random topic he himself admits is not ai rather than focus on the absolute mountain of more relevant topics

fixed minor typo

ok bye for real bye.

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She was his traitor autocorrect whatever

This isn't really an ego battle this is just scum posture.

howwwww is bickering about shit scum posture lmoa
there's like a thousand topics you've ignored
instead you're having an ego contest with my teammate about some stupid game nobody gives a shit about like

~scum posturing~ usually involves us doing something which is actually relevant

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he's not a fucking town investigative
he knows he isn't getting lynched and wants an excuse not to get nk'd

Literally the worst logic:::::

RC claimed investigative... because he wanted an excuse to not get NKed

Let me repeat that.

RC claimed investigative because he wanted an excuse to not get NKed.

And, uh, this isn't the D1 Lynch? How?

seriously fucking bring it
again if i'm mislynched: d2 is y'all mutely executing RC and d3+ is everyone having a very pleasant game.

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Look

Basically no one on this site can play scum well in real time

That's why when Duck has engagements with me like this everything he says is asinine and backwards, he literally just cannot play scum at this pace because it's fucking hard to play scum at this pace.

i love playing scum at this pace even when i'm bad at it
sadly i can't post like eloquently and at length when i'm working two jobs, moving house, under the weather, have irl social commitments & other site stuff which i'm not going to flake on, etc.

like you're welcome to drop a 3 post bullshit storm to respond to my every one
but post quantity

DOES NOT

illegitimise my reads nor disentitle me from standing up to someone who is scum.

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Tw you sound like ur buddying ari

ari is my buddy.
you've like 1) seen me pocket and 2) been pocketed by me
if you still think me being cute and friendly to people is scum indicative could i please just refer you to every game i've like ever played in the last two years

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skitter what are you waiting for wrt checking your ico read?

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If you just actually trust me here

Trust me to be right on TW if I'm town
And trust me to be scum if I'm wrong on TW

The worst case scenario of lynching Duckling today is a guilty on me

^^^^^ strongly vice versa fwiw

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i don't give a shit what you're talking about man
i've had a dialogue with skitter open about ico since like ~thurs/fri and she just never came back to the read
it's directly concerning to my team that she's just totally comfortable PoEing ico who we find abundantly obvtown

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Yes that is ABSOLUTELY the priority question here and not LAMIST at all when I just called you out on not caring about anyone besides me and minorly Ari.

- he still just doesn't think you're town but doesn't have it at 0%. he lists 5 townreads that he feels good about. he's trying to sort the parts of the game which don't involve you. if my slot is scum, my posting will show it. so please chill out. he needs more xtoxm/plum/tris/teacher/ari/flopz, not more rc/rc/rc/rc/rc/rc/rc. if we aren't town, we have 2 partners. if you're not town, you have two partners. let's just be respectful.

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ank popin: rc you're spamming a lot about being right about me, and not really doing anything else
basically refer above 2305 courtesy of mr. cane

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dann is also wondering why you don't care about him : (

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literally the entirety of cancel food thinks you are scum and wants you dead lmfao

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dann is also wondering why you don't care about him : (

What is this low grade emotional manipulation lol

Dann knows we're town I'm not gonna respond further.

it's partially dann being cute and funny
but i think he is also sad that he feels you've taken the time out to shit on ank & eddie but haven't really been interested in his input
(my words, not his)

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ank wants a {iconeum/skitter/mathblade/rce} towncore and for like, everyone else to die

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it's partially dann being cute and funny
but i think he is also sad that he feels you've taken the time out to shit on ank & eddie but haven't really been interested in his input
(my words, not his)

Funny because this only makes sense if we are town and you're just ignoring the person on your team who has the best sense of what I do and not do as scum: see him correctly knowing that Amrun was my only buddy option in the game I tryharded in as scum.

dann wasn't around at the start of the game. aorn he said he liked you v early on but after seeing our interactions he doesn't think town!you completely fails to engage in good faith.

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You literally tried to PL me

Dannflor would have called you the fuck out the moment that happened

He wouldn't be here acting like your side is in the right.

he didn't mention it; don't know if he was around?
once-a-fucking-again: policy was a minor auxiliary factor in the fact i want to lynch you because you are scum.

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skitter what are you waiting for wrt checking your ico read?

Because every time i look at this thread i want to die inside and it hasnt been super high priority

that is incredibly valid

HahahahabahHhaha

Dann says that you're not engaging with me in good faith after this shit? Never ever ever babe idk why you're bringing Dann in because that just makes you look worse.

not verbatim bc paraphrasing but like, that's his sentiment on fucking point.

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he didn't mention it; don't know if he was around?

Nope.

Like literally no.

Are we done here?

yeah and you're not in our team discord, you've proven you're happy to blatantly disrespect the ability of at least 50% of my team, so... fuck off?

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fwiw team is telling me to Just Not be paranoid about skitter not updating her ico read
i agree 2417 is a townskitter explanation

skitter/ico, long after this spamfest is over i hope you find each other in the apocalyptic wasteland of future-tm2020:normal and with your combined might slay the remainder of the scums
i'm going to go work now cya all later

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I am playing to win just as you're playing to win and you're the one who made this game the shithole that is so ???

sadly i think you might actually believe this.
this isn't a personal attack, just... you're normally really self-aware. where has that gone?

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been over this before too: i misread scum!skitter very very recently so i am going to check the fuck out of myself on that read. ( :

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ank thinks you're a p likely n1 in this list, skitter
she's also asking if you could please prioritise checking yourself on ico

other than that if you have any other really strong reads we'd appreciate them

all of us like ari's current posting for town.

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rc please sit down

pedit: no probs skit, i should be gone by then / should be gone an hour ago but i'm keen

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i mean vice versa and i respect your free time levels enough to know if i don't keep yelling i'll get drowned out :C

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Current reads scum TW+RC+Ari

These are all town and you are ridiculous.

Nancy was right about your reads being utter shite!

i just opened the thread to this
who broke ari?

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#2517 is actually hilarious
guys ari is not lolcatting. he is someone who is being ridiculed while trying to catch up on a fastmoving game
him turning down nancy/auro offering help is like... aggressively in character

might i suggest...voting scum~~?

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wow rc positioning for an ari townflip and an ari scumflip at the same time?
must be town rc yeah nice good work keeping this alive people!!

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eddie is doubling down on ari/rc not s/s

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VOTE: RadiantCowbells[/b]

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>:(

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

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no it's literally pointing out you setting up a d2 mislynch regardless of how ari flips!!!!!
you've been treating him as scum scum scum and started off casing me as a partner and now that his lynch is imminent you're acting like i'm scum regardless of partnership with him

like your case is "tw is scum let's lynch ari"

fuck all of that

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and yet you don't seem to care which one of us you're voting despite being uncertain about ari's alignment and lockscum on me?

votes speak a tonne louder than words and your voting pattern is horseshit levels of inconsistent with what you're saying

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... says he, still voting aristophanes

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anyone still reading RC posts and doesn't find this transparent as fuck?

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oh he finally remembered he's meant to vote people he's pretending to scumread.
thank fuck for that.

please stop voting outside of rc/myself this is ridiculous.

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Math you are making the game super trivial for scum right now.

sadly i agree.

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yeah i have literally been screaming to lynch within us when my team tried to reach out to you one last time in good faith and you shook us off. that's, like, objectively correct. : )

if we're both still here d2 i will be entering demanding that one of us is lynched, because you are scum. still objectively correct.

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skitter substantially more pertinently, i would still like you to reevaluate your iconeum read before EOD because i'm really good at reading ico and i think you're just wrong on him

less importantly: idc if you lynch me or RC today; if you mislynch me today just lynch him tomorrow.

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uhh i'm not really SRing teacher? i liked him then i wasn't really sure and now i kinda like him a little
roughly same strength as ari tr

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i think it's one of the least confusing posts i've ever written?

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uhh i'm not really SRing teacher? i liked him then i wasn't really sure and now i kinda like him a little
roughly same strength as ari tr

well this is a baffling statement

could you like show me where you see scum!ico rq?

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i'm not really sure where to engage with you on this dude we're both townreading him, both explained it as far as i remember? and "i don't see the tone stuff" is not particularly helpful to respond to?

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i think it's one of the least confusing posts i've ever written?

you're portraying your ari tr as Super Strong Town and i'm confused how u got there on teacher
i wasn't even aware that's how u were readign teacher

i'm really not
they're like
my weakest townreads

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in vacuum i don't really care that much if ari is lynched

in practice it's like
he's slowly becoming a compromise lynch
while rc is openwolfing

so i'm like ... hey guys ... we could just lynch a really fucking obvious wolf and fix the gamestate at the same time!


doesn't mean i'm high confidence on ari; i trust people to sort him/lynch him if needed later. i don't really trust people to correctly lynch RC without doing this.

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i don't really know what you want me to say? this is how i'm reading ico
i don't find the tone stuff super convincing

you keep asking me about ico so i go back to eddie's case and this is what i feel about it

like.. we asked you to reconsider ico and both towncased him.. your response was tone stuff isn't very convincing.. i asked if you could show me where you see scum!ico so you asked me to towncase him again.. this feels like a really strange impasse for us to be at, like sorry if it sounds demanding but would you mind giving me a little more of where you're at to work with?

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for better context

tw
ico
math
skitter
rce
bella
ari/teacher
flopz/plum/tris/xtoxm
rc

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i think my last stated readlist just had him in the nullpile but like i said, i like his recent posting. his frustration and the charge behind them feels towny; content is like a solid ok/10 but he's got a little spark of ari in there.

pedit: that's good timing - eddie just asked if jjh has read this game / if he'd be willing to give some input

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the more this is a thing the more i'm kinda thinking that we should be lynching in tw/rc to unfuck the gamestate, and not ari
i think that switching momentum to doing that at this point will be Not Easy given how the current gamestate is, well, fucked

if you want to lynch to fix the gamestate i feel obligated to remind you which slot has over a third of the posts in the game and is literally spamming rhetoric
but like
i'm also happy to just advocate lynching one of us => lynching RC tomorrow if it's me.

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you really shouldn't townread us asking to interact with people's teammates no
please just read the interactions that come out of it

pedit again: sorry @skit, eddie wants to clarify that he would really like jjh to make this game a priority please.

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Can we just lynch scum Duck because my reads are good and then lynch me

WHEN

it's wrong

^^^ i'm kinda fine w this but i need commitment that the seal is dead tmrw

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on what fucking planet does jjh have a bad towngame

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why would jjh's reads compromise skitter'sr reads?
we want another perspective

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like me stating that nsg's read accuracy on me for the last year not been good is a whole thing but

"you are maliciously asking skitter for her team mate's reads because that team mate has a bad towngame and skitter has a good towngame" when you should be pretty actively aware that i hold jjh's towngame in high regard anyway is like actively being a complete ass as an attempt to discredit me for asking someone playing team mafia to play team mafia?

you actually need to sit the fuck down dude

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NSGs catching up right now as well, hopefully she'll have something to say that will help you guys figure this out.

oh "rc uses nsg as a stick: vol. 2"
my favourite sequel of 2020

who else has been excited for this one

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It was literally a bold faced lie and we established that so

Deuces

it's blatantly true we just have not played that much this year. :/

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thanks.

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the last time you said nsg caught up all you did was spam posturing and refuse to allow people to meaningfully interact with her like

you're literally using a "don't attack us we got nukes" argument

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so like
you're cancel food and collectively agree rc is like 90% scum

what's the right pay here? do you ignore it and politely sit in the corner while he curb stomps the entire town?

he has well over double my postcount. i don't really understand why people consider us to be destroying the gamestate.

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Skitter it's a no lose situation

If JJH scumreads him, well, your slot already scumread him.
If JJH townreads him, suddenly your slot is conflicted.

Just... take me at my word that I did it a lot as scum in this format.

let's just simplify it

we haven't heard from jjh
we'd like to hear from jjh

once again, jjh's reads don't mystically override skitter's.

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the last time you said nsg caught up all you did was spam posturing and refuse to allow people to meaningfully interact with her like

you're literally using a "don't attack us we got nukes" argument

Yeah well

I do have nukes and I'm town.

I'm not going to not use the weapons that I have against you out of perceived fairness. You've had no hesitation about using people refusing to townread me against town, I don't have that option. You've had no hesitation about using the gamestate shit that you created as a weapon against me.

I have my own weapons, I'm going to use them.

ok well the weapons you're firing atm are firing blacks but you're still waving them around so again, i implore you to sit down and play this more pleasantly. i'd like you to chill on the nukes because the radioactive fallout is pretty filthy.

don't give a shit about fairness; my team are absolute legends as well and i'll be using them to the best of my ability as well

aorn you've actually been using people not townreading me against the town. like constantly. lol

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But TW isn't with like everything that he's done that's buddying?

> wow tw is so buddying
> can't come up with a single buddying thing tw has done



so just gonna re-state i compulsively buddy and have in every single game for like two years. these people are my buddies. i'm pretty capable of pocketing, but my brand of pocketing has not come out at all this game. like to my meta i'm really fucking transparently town and the fact you're not seeing any of this for a moment is getting kinda obscene

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just for the record

exactly one player has said they will vote you.....and that is xtoxm

on me? all of math, skitter, plum, tris, teacher, flopz, rce have indicated they'd be willing to vote me over you

i'm going into this, an extremely noisy high-profile fight to the death against someone who i could have pretty easily ignored on day one for ... no reason? because i'm scum trying to defend my scumbuddy ari? because i'm scum trying to (??) white knight town!ari (??)

you're desperate to fire out a narrative that sticks and you're making a tonne of noise but

you're absolutely thrashing a narrative that makes no sense

. i'm a really easy lynch in this setting. if i'm scum trying to mislynch you i've basically kamikaze'd in order to... get lynched... flip red... and allow you to cruise on through the game?

this is not a position i ever bother putting myself in as scum. i'm tryharding like fucking crazy when i virutally never tryhard as scum
in order to like. nuke the everloving fuck out of my own scumslot?

you're not a complete idiot, rc. you also don't impersonate one very well. what's going on?

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Actually I am most likely. I still have some contingencies where I vote RC first. Not saying those.

that's fair; all the same, the rest of my post is pretty relevant imo

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You know full well that no matter what I do I am still a viable mislynch because people act like angry guinea pigs when my name is on the playerlist.

This game has had: RC v math
RC v. Skit
RC v. Duck (rounds 1-??)

But yea it’s totally other people who are at fault.

== buddying incoming ==
teacher have i told you lately that i love you?
== end buddying ==

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I mean.

People could have... townread me for being obvtown.

Wouldn't be in this situation at all.

yeah ok townread the openwolf for shitting up the thread
that's a lovely way to fix this situation

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teacher have i told you lately that i love you?

Tbis is buddying I think
See? I told u he was buddying

: 0 0
it's almost like i like teacher
0 0 :
no way
0 : 0

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RC if you're making the day boil down to an RC/Ari/TW lynchpool I am going to have to vote you because of the 3 of us you are most likely scum despite not being a scumread at all.

Do you really want this to happen?
Because I really don't want this to happen.

Yeah actually ok

VOTE: Aristophanes

Bye

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

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Man I hope we have a vig. I really do.

Can we please just end this day already?

please please please please please don't hang your hat on a vig we need a better lynch than ari

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If Ari's scum and you vote me before TW you are absolutely right

tru

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yeah look we can still just lynch RC, or if you're all really insistent on ignoring the signs, me=>RC

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Remember everything I said about TW regardless of Ari's flip

If Ari is scum then assuming TW flips scum, last scum should be in Tris/Plum

listen to this phoney shit

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this page literally proves lynching ari is a fucking stupid metric to solve rc/i

use your votes meaningfully fucking hell

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"hey we're playing a game where we can remove people and learn their alignments"

"oh fuck yeah! let's lynch someone lurking and ignore the gigantic 1v1 and hope it goes well!"

i like this plist so much please don't tell me i'm giving everyone here too much credit.

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just ftr scum!rc tmi's town!ari here so once again resolving US is substantially more valuable than lynching ari?? to squabble about us all over again d2

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this only increases your plynch equity RC

pedit: THANK YOU

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VOTE: RC

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just ftr scum!rc tmi's town!ari here so once again resolving US is substantially more valuable than lynching ari?? to squabble about us all over again d2

Duck saying I tmid town!Ari is pure projection.

Spoiler: large

i actually have no idea why we're trying to lynch ari rn besides for, like, inertia

yeah. exactly

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mathb, you've been stellar this game. i can tell you've improved a lot. just please don't waste the d1 lynch on ari.

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i'm gonna feel like an idiot if i don't at least write this up but here goes

most of this list knows my scum meta - those who don't have seen RC talking about my scum meta. i'm as hardcore minimalist as i can get away with. the only shit i try that i don't really ~need~ to try is wincon advancing; skitter will back you up on my lolhammer prowess to advance scum wincon.

the case on scum!me starts as scum!me trying to derail a wagon on my scumbuddy, aristophanes. i'm firstly happy to bus dead weight on d1, and secondly not a complete fucking idiot. in the meantime the case on me has moved to.. scum me spews town!ari?? so my evil agenda here is to watch a compromise wagon form on ari, rub my hands together, then try my best to draw content out of ari who towntells very easily, LITERALLY PICK A FIGHT WITH FUCKING RADIANTCOWBELLS FOR NO REASON, and then spew him town while inevitably losing a fight with rc so that i cna.. flip scum and spew him town?

like anyone who is voting me just try and explain scum!me's evil d1 in 20 words or less. if that doesn't tell you that your vote on me is completely moronic, then you're probably tunnelled beyond hope.


not just am i set to lose this fight but like
my literal only supporter is {xtoxm, maybe mathblade} when mathblade thinks everything i'm doing is scum theatre so has ~certain universes~ where he votes RC instead of me and then lynches me anyway on a redflip

vs. the support for RC /against me/ is absolutely overwhelming. like where are my buddies in this situation?

ico => sure
math => thinks i'm scum with rc.. lol
skitter => nope
rce => maybe?
bella => cleared if town!RC by god read
ari => nope i spew him town
teacher => wants to kill me
flopz => ditto
plum => is doing v little while townreading rc, now voting me
tris => is doing nothing and wants to kill me
xtoxm => sure

so like let's roll with the world where i'm scum and i've decided to enter a hard 1v1 with rc without telling my partners to shade or bus me then my partners are within like {ico, rce, ari, xtoxm}. ico and rce are both really towny. you're looking at a scumteam of ari/xtoxm/tw. except i'm townspewing ari sorry. so tw/xtoxm/ico? there is

NO WAY I EVER
KAMIKAZE WITH A SCUMTEAM THIS WEAK.

ico can't interact with wagoned partners & xtoxm is literally absent; all of the bus credit would be going to townies.

ftpov of me entering this 1v1: it's nowhere anywhere within my scumrange to expect to enter this 1v1 and have it go well. i wouldn't give myself anywhere near this much credit and i sure as shit wouldn't expect anyone else here to. skitter, you've seen literally my strongest scumgame onsite; it only went well because i talked my way around conflict until like fucking ~f4. just once again how the fuckkkkk does scum!duck look at this gamestate and go "yeah let's fight with a dude who has three times my votecount and is extremely difficult to lynch and very good at getting people lynched" smfh



this gamestate isn't hitting scum. i'm being lolwagoned for fighting a dragon after steering the lynch of ari who is probably just town. where the fuck are my scumbuddies since RC thinks i'm tmi-ing town!Ari?

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reads first then claim

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iconeum is pretty obvtown; he can't interact with a lot of gamestates as scum and is kinda really easy to read lategame. he's been v/la for a lot of this game and he has normal weekend v/la and clearly can't keep up with the gamestate fully - if anyone is considering wagoning this please get a really detailed scumcase because nobody has a sincere scumread on this guy he's just low hanging fruit.

the reads he hands out ring pure. he took a while to fire up but from a tonal/free flowing thought perspective he's playing his towngame bang on

please just load up like two scum!ico games and tell me he hasn't broken scumrange

it's ridiculous





mathbalde pretty similar levels of obvtown but not more than ico. his solve is pretty outlandish. he's gonna be flailing hard in the next couple of phases because his solve isn't very good, and he's gonna see some really jarring flips; he still reads like he sincerely believes what he's saying. this is a slot that needs to be engaged quite a lot but he's just not pushing bullshit. he's pushing his truth even if it's kinda bizarre


rce probably next strength townread at this point. don't feel the need to quote posts. every pop-in is towny. he's asking good questions. he's parsing information well. he's probably pushing up the same tier as ico/mathb here like there really isn't anything i can remember seeing from him that made me pause at all




bella is like, kinda a little hard to follow, but v much unapolgetically so - her reads are generally kinda just ok. this read is surface level and shit and i'm not really sorry for that. she's kinda just, towny, just nowhere near as towny as the players above this. post-rc scumflip, please just,
like look at her associatives towards him extremely closely because i do think she needs real heavy reevaluation.



skitter is probably town everyone agrees i'm not casing this
her slowness to reevaluate reads is kinda more in line with her scum meta but her reason for being slow is consistent with town!skitter; i don't think she's like hardcore townskittering the way she can this game but i think this gamestate is icky enough i can taste her frustrations and discomfort
i know a lot of people want to locktown her for kinda blowing up at RC
and like frankly he's being a huge pain in the ass but i actually think her level of frustration is pretty town indicative






teacher i can't say much of a whole lot of interest i'll dive into his iso if i get the time he just feels like generally very positive in the way he's interacting with developments in the game. call it towny popins whatever. he doesn't feel like he's aligned / psuhing an agenda or like he's aligned / trying to coast through the fuckedup gamestate, he actually just feels like he's doing his thing; not a strong read but he's town more often than he's not




ari feels more and more like town and i think the scumreads on him always have been, and very much remain, completely fucking dense. he's busy irl and he's an adorable person. he's posting cute ari proding things because he's cute ari prodging, not because he's ari trying to be cute and active lurking because he's teh scumz. his solving recently has been ok; they're not super advanced reads but they feel in line with the way ari solves in a less-advanced gamestate, tonally he's very sound, and the way he went about re-entering the thread before posting them didn't feel coached at all. ari hard aligning with me here doesn't feel like it really makes a lot of sense from him as scum. the more i think about it the more i feel attached to him just being town.




tris/Plum/Xtoxm/Flopz i doubt i'll have time to try and split hairs on during this lunch break sorry




rc i think i've been pretty transparent on?? the last like two pages of his iso is focused on nearly nothing except my alignment and occasionally ari's. he's being really openly manipulative, and i'm really struggling to find anything sincere in his iso. i understand i'm probably eating a lynch here to get an understanding of RC's alignment but like. i don't have the time or inclination to scumcase literally 1000 posts of openwolfing. you all need an eye test.

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i have to work but i can field questions/go into more detail later

just a friendly reminder

WHEN YOU SEE ME FLIP GREEN.

DO NOT WRITE THIS OFF AS "OH ANOTHER TVT~~~".

WE ARE ALL MORE COMPETENT THAN HE IS GIVING US CREDIT FOR.

HE DIES START OF DAY TWO. EOD.

IF HE HAS A GUILTY, YOU IGNORE IT. IF HE FLAILS AND SQUIRMS, IGNORE IT. NO COMPROMISE UNTIL RC IS LYNCHED.

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Two seconds your claim please

sorry
vt

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Now we can hammer the worst but I have a sick feeling this is wrong and Ari should be the lynch but it’s more important this day ends.

nonononono
RC tomorrow.
no compromise until the seal dies.

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i'm fine with "no compromise until we're both dead" but my point remains: no compromise until you die

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i have to work but i can field questions/go into more detail later

just a friendly reminder

WHEN YOU SEE ME FLIP GREEN.

DO NOT WRITE THIS OFF AS "OH ANOTHER TVT~~~".

WE ARE ALL MORE COMPETENT THAN HE IS GIVING US CREDIT FOR.

HE DIES START OF DAY TWO. EOD.

IF HE HAS A GUILTY, YOU IGNORE IT. IF HE FLAILS AND SQUIRMS, IGNORE IT. NO COMPROMISE UNTIL RC IS LYNCHED.

this is the big one people.

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again i'm like, at work
i can post while things are loading/searching or when it's quiet and shit but don't have casing time.

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rc hasn't had a new position for *checks watch*
600 posts?

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What a terrible way to push me

I think I considered all of Plum Tris Rce Teacher as possible partner options for you outside of Ari who yeah I've gone back to because everyone else I have better reasons to townread.

You were rhe one who for the majority of this time was simply saying aaaa I don't know associatives I just k n o w the s e a l is scum

that's right
i have a heavy scumread on you

you've spammed possible scumteams without actually focusing on any slots other than myself and occasionally ari

you've literally voteparked ari while talking about scum!me and not really being sure about ari's alignment without shifting your vote to me

it's like arrghghghghhgh it's obvious as shit

pedit: he is not flip flopping
he is yelling random sentiments and hoping they stick
flip flopping at some level
requires reevaluating
he doesn't reevaluate he just posts whatever he needs to be a thing

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you know my urge to fight back flares every time RC posts something which is transparently posturing. Out of respect for some people's mental health I'll be suppressing that.

Teacher is very to-- ok as I was writing that Eddie said teacher teacher is very towny in our disc use that how you will

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UNVOTE: RC

I don't want to be a part of this TvT 1v1 anymore.

Sorry I know this is shitty to say but
RC isn't town
I won't be backing down from this if we both survive d1.

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After RC like strongarmed Ari into voting between us lmfao dude your game is clear as water

Calling it: Plum scum
not just for the rhyme

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Ari spent pages saying RC vs. tw was TtC while voting RC???

And you didn’t vote Ari because?

ya