PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf (Game Over)

[Battle Mage]

nora we're having a moment together here

chill

me and BM been drinking together for a decade

i still cant read him for shit but we always have a good time

man i think you can read me. but clearly the town consensus ain't helping you. So you need to trust your own gut. You should have a slim edge in this game for the players you know, folks like me and Ydrasse. I have seen you use your thinking cap lots with Ydrasse in this game - do it with me too.

[Battle Mage]

real talk man

lets pour out a few fingers of whiskey and talk this out man to man

real talk man, i ain't here to fuck you. i'm trying my best to help Team Pooky, and i'm going above and beyond because i'd like us both to win together.

[Battle Mage]

i invested like 10 hours or some shit in the last couple days in this game to try and help you make the right call here. if i'm scum, i srsly don't think i bother because i'm eating it at some point anyway based on the town consensus.

the lack of any urgency around wagons/voting at this point, is consistent with games where a town wagon is teetering on the edge.

[Battle Mage]

i ain't here to fuck you.

this feels real man

but you aint been drinking

im at least 9 drinks ahead of you by now

you got work in the morrow?

it's been breaking my heart all night watching your name pop up all over the site, except in this thread.

yeah i gotta get up in a few hours to start early, as i clocked off early today to come and play this game... lol

[Battle Mage]

dude i was spending the weekend with my daughter

that sounds nice

what did you do with her? treasure that girl while she's still your little girl cuz aint too long before she's gone and you will miss her so much

ah don't man you'll make me cry!

we went to her grandads on sat, and went xmas shopping on sunday to get some ideas for her list for Santa.

sadly she liked every toy in the toy store pretty much equally, so didn't help much

[Battle Mage]

you know its cuz i fucking dread coming here cuz all my masons want you dead but they dont know you like i fucking know you

i feel it man, i knew your masons were no good, but you can pull a veto on this one. that's like the whole point of the game innit? you know the players and you can judge them.

[Battle Mage]

this is so fucking hard bm

so fucking hard


tell me about your weekend with your baby girl

i gotta stop thinking about this game for a bit

it was a good weekend, completely with you about cherishing the moments. my boss has a daughter same age and she is terminally ill, so i think about that a lot... just lucky for all we have.

[Battle Mage]

taking your daughter to a toy shop before christmas must be such a treat

the way her eyes light up - its so precious

tell me you got her something good BM

tell me you're a good guy here

im gonna go back at weekend and get some things - the thing she wants most is a fairy dress, to the extent she made me promise that if Santa had her on the bad list, i'd still get it for her although last year i ended up getting too much and she got bored of unwrapping stuff

[Battle Mage]

it was pretty busy shopping though as they just lifted the lockdown here not long ago

[Battle Mage]

thems the breaks

dont matter where we are in life

family is precious BM

lets drink to family

hear hear

i re-added u on fb btw, you can re-add me either way, even if you kill me here <3

[Battle Mage]

they grow up too fast BM

too fast

how old are yours now? probs a bit older than mine!

[Battle Mage]

honestly Pooks, for the game, my suggestion is this - you take another day-phase to think about it. Should placate the masons that I'm still on the hook, but also gives me more chance to obvtown and win them over. Then you don't have to make the tough call.

There's really no need to elim me here today in the big picture of things. But this conversation has been good - family stuff does bring the game into perspective.

[Battle Mage]

BM we drinking?

i cant man, gotta be up for work soon, sorry

[Battle Mage]

whatever you decide, just know, i gave you my 100% best effort here. and at least YOU KNEW i was town. so just blame the masons. I know who 1 of them is i think

[Battle Mage]

BM real talk

your baby girl is so cute she got the biggest smile in the world

theres no way you'd use that innocent girl to get out of a bad spot if you were actually scum right?

I know Flava Flav is the devil but you still got your soul right?

ah man that's really sweet yeah she loves her daddy haha

and dude, i think we're teetering on the edge of trust-tell city here, but you can answer your own question.

[Battle Mage]

then in that case, yes, we obviously aint having this conversation if i'm scum here.

[Battle Mage]

BM

you gotta let me buy you a pint next time I'm across the pond if I mis-elim you here

its been real buddy

man, why even make that call today?

you aint gonna have a heart-to-heart like this with anybody else i don't think. if you elim me here now, i dont think you get as much from ppl in future.

it's your game though, i just give you my honest take. like your masons (except i know better)

[Battle Mage]

thats true

we can always get shit-faced over the weekend


im so drunk now

ok guys feel free to unvote and go back to RVS or whatever

im gonna take a hard fucking think about BM

good call man, im gonna get some sleep - gotta save the world again tomorrow.

take care dude, real good to chat.

and yeah if you mis-elim me at some point, i'll take that pint

[Battle Mage]

we got all the data we needed out of the POE-4 thing

im gonna try to sober up and talk to teamMason tomm about where to go from here

BM lets get shitfaced over the weekend and have another bonding session

dont want to keep you up too late when you gots work tomm

it was all worth it - they'll never believe i'm a mason now...muahahahaha

haha i'm free this weekend, so you're on. i'll finish my xmas shopping first haha

[Battle Mage]

love ya Pooks <3

[Battle Mage]

a few morning reflections:

Pooky - I'm proud of you for having the strength of character to over-rule your misguided masons.
Misguided Masons - Follow Pooky on this - he knows better than you. There's a reason this is Pooky v Flavor Leaf, and not some other random dude v Flavor Leaf.

Mastina - I had to laugh at you calling me scum now because I defended myself, as you spend your last 10 posts attacking me.

It was right and proper to defend myself BUT we need to move past this and reach some consensus. No votes in the last 6 pages screams apathy and scum not knowing quite what to do since Pooky threw a curve ball at them.

Tonight I'm not gonna spend lots of time going over attacks on me and debunking myths and bad logic - but if you want me to respond to something specific, please ask. Otherwise I'm gonna do some ISOs.

My only real take from the last few pages is that Netflix and Chill has gone back to hiding behind "I think mastina is town and I'm just gonna trust her" - despite the slot previously arguing mastina's case was not good. Hydras I guess, but a bit of common understanding when it comes to the basics isn't a lot to ask. Maybe not a scumtell, but a 'it's time to pull yourself together' tell.

Kind regards,

BM

[Battle Mage]

I got the job I think.

VOTE: BM

you're fired

[Battle Mage]

so in the time i was at work, my wagon crumbled and then re-appeared with basically random votes? excellent. Is there any point to it? Pooky said he didn't wanna elim me for now anyway. I assume the idea of these games is that the town works collaboratively with the Stump. Is there a policy elim option to deal with those who dissent?

Having just lost a game to FL-scum, this apathy where nobody seems to want to scumhunt, and everyone just limps back to the same old folk even when they ain't going anywhere...is the kinda crap which he will easily manipulate.

I read the names on this playerlist, and there are some good players here with big reputations. Let's see some actual useful content, rather than going over the same old ground endlessly.

Rant over. I'm gonna ignore most of the fluff and read some ISOs as promised. Some reflections:

I am very tempted to solve the hydra slots first, but I could also see a world where FL didn't pick any hydras because they would be a pain the arse to manage/he would get more ego boost from beating more players.
I think some of the people on my wagon are scummy enough to consider a wagon on...but presumably my wagon also contained masons, meaning it's like scum and town PRs.
So maybe it's best to look elsewhere for now, without completely ignoring what has happened so far.

[Battle Mage]

hey BM do you think Pooky would be hurt if you flipped scum here?

yeah he would be. especially since he stuck his neck on the line for me. but i'm town, so he hasn't got anything to worry about. like, whatever happens in this game, I feel vindicated after getting a bunch of shit thrown my way. When push came to shove, Pooky read me correctly, despite getting a load of crap from his own masons. The mason thing actually pisses me off, because if you were lucky enough to be picked as a mason, shouldn't you listen to the guy who picked you? Disrespectful in my book, but w/e. And I feel bad for Pooky having a hard time. At some stage he might have to elim me just to shut them up, but he knows I'm town, and for me that counts for something. Brothers man.

I'm doing my job - just need to get the game back on track and push people into actually doing more. Not even convinced elimming me would give much information - there isn't enough protown mojo to pick out and challenge the lazy scum from the misguided town.

[Battle Mage]

Still just want some straightforward solving from you BM, no AtE

yep i'm gonna do some ISOs dude and take this back to first principles. Don't worry, I haven't forgotten you!

[Battle Mage]

hey BM do you think Pooky would be hurt if you flipped scum here?

I still want this answered too

you do? you didn't ask it...are you suggesting you thought I wouldnt answer? It was only posted a matter of minutes prior

i've answered now anyway, so enjoy. And maybe cool your jets

[Battle Mage]

That post looks remarkably familiar.
@BM.

are you literally voting me coz NC told you to? We're 100 pages deep dude, gimme something.

[Battle Mage]

I trust Pooky is leading the game in the direction he wants. I have offered him content for if and when he wants to pursue it.

not sure how well this "i trust pooky" sits against your accusatory approach to me

[Battle Mage]

you may be alive in the game but you're dead in my heart

me? fk man...

[Battle Mage]

i'm sure mastina is gonna have a field day with the fact i made some low content posts before doing my actual reading.

i'm gonna order some pizza.

[Battle Mage]

you do? you didn't ask it...

I thought you had missed it

nah dude, just chill, i'm gonna [continue to] do my bit.

[Battle Mage]

Noraa we need to end this day and get some flips and revisit fresh tomorrow. Vote BM.

BM is only at like E-5 after everyone left the wagon right?
If the choices are BM or Solstice, I probs prefer BM. I don't understand the case on Solstice at all. It doesn't make any sense.

-nornor

I'll leave it here for now.
VOTE: BM

Murder, if this is ur scum buddy, u should be derailing rn cuz ur gonna look shit tomorrow if BM flips red.

-nornor

maybe I need to re-assess noraa-meta. I've seen her be weak to this stuff before, but also seen her be resistant to it elsewhere. I just can't remember which alignment she was in each case. to return to

[Battle Mage]

BM

Full reads list please. Who are the scum?

i might renege on this actually - not sure another full readslist is productive for my slot here. I'll try and find a couple scum though to give us something to work with.

page 31 - random splurge from Creature, but doesn't take the ready bait of directing DEB's vote. Maybe Creature-town more likely to do so, I know I would have.
page 32 - random attack from Double Trouble on Netflix and Chill. they have been quiet though. possible distancing?
page 33 - i'd forgotten about the random Informed Townie claim by Netflix and Chill. yeah, it feels a bit gambity, and the sort of thing Flavor might instruct someone to do.
page 34 - i know i say this in every mastina game, but the idea someone is "locktown" because they share 1 read with you is...not good.
page 35 - post 872 by Double Trouble is a little close to the bone. Hard to fathom why a town hydra ever makes a post considering how they can artificially make themselves seem more town.
page 36 - post 886 reads as genuine exasperation by Bell. mild carefree townvibe from Spiffeh.

This is not really impressive. Some quotes or links to the posts in question would also have been nice to verify your assertions for ourselves.

pfft, it's more than like half the playerlist has done and they were here in realtime, gimme a break. i gave u the page number, not too difficult to go and find pages yourself.

So why are we not eliminating obv

scum

town BM?

one would think 2 good players in a hydra would do better than this.

[Battle Mage]

maybe I need to re-assess noraa-meta. I've seen her be weak to this stuff before, but also seen her be resistant to it elsewhere. I just can't remember which alignment she was in each case. to return to

This may surprise you, but this is actually the read of yours I am most interested in, so please do return to it.

it doesn't surprise me, i've seen your spat

[Battle Mage]

Hey BM what are your thoughts on Solstice currently?

playing very safe. it's hard to tell with MT - I think she is playing how she played when she hydra'd with me as town. Her takes on the game are like, logically sound, and steeped in the trademark MT-town wariness of jumping to conclusions. But I also feel like she's cruising and could easily still be scum here.

In short, could go either way.

[Battle Mage]

[Anyway I really think Dunn is town]

[Murder probably isn't scum Noraa, although I would have to see more. That post you made regarding BM and Double was legitimately odd, and if you're scumreading him for that, i would ask that you explain why scum!Murder feels obligated to do that rather than town!Murder, exactly. I guess Murder could still be scum because one gut-take agree could be a coincidence, but i lean against that]

[With regards to BM.. i take it he's been very emotional or otherwise heart-to-heart and it's practically guaranteed I would come off with a townread on him if I read it. Norwe argues that BM simply wants to not be eliminated regardless of alignment. Sigh, I don't know, BM is the type of player who I'd expect to go to great lengths to not be eliminated, yes. He actually ended up claiming VT i believe which is weird considering he said he was going to point out a crumb earlier. but that's such a BM move.

Ill figure it out eventually. Or maybe i wont since BM might be the only choice I'm allowed to have versus myself

]

[do

none

of you league players play assassins? i haven't seen a single mention of one. that is all i have to say abt that stretch]

~Morning

this is not a great one - I'm not convinced Morning-town just gives up on reading me here, with a fatalistic "it's gonna be him or me" with 4 days left on Day 1 and barely a majority between us.

[Battle Mage]

I'm not entirely sure if dropping pressure on Battle Mage is the most amazing idea but I'm interested in seeing where this goes
VOTE: Solstice

lol i dont think anyone is getting much more out of me tbh. I've poured my heart and soul out this game. I've claimed. I've explained why the case on me sucked. I've contributed in a townie way. Like we need to actually get to elimming scum now. You can always elim me later; I'm not a PR so who gives a crap?

[Battle Mage]

BM are you town?
If you are town, what do you think about Murder's stance around your wagon. Constant shade yet no vote?

-nornor

yes im town noraa, i've poured my heart and soul out in this thread. i think you are emotionally intelligent enough to see this is BM-town. I don't know why you're voting me, unless you are really planning to over-rule Pooky?

[Battle Mage]

give me that answer, while i go and read Murder's stuff

[Battle Mage]

BM hasn't been miselimmed for ages apparently so he has selfish interests in being survivalistic

Take a look from his perspective. If it helps with getting scum!me eliminated tommorow why would he care that much about being limmed first? Unless he knows he is flipping red.

- Norwee

Norwee I'm clearly not, and never have been, sufficiently certain you're scum that I think a 1v1 with you is a protown move. I'm only doing that with a super solid read, or a mech guilty. I think you are just being overly sensitive about the fact I think your slot is scummy. It doesn't mean I'm a moron who is gonna pretend you're lockscum and tunnel you until one of us dies.

I know you don't rate my game much, but as we've discussed before, I do try and improve.

The actual way you should interpret this is, why go to such lengths to buy myself another day as scum? given how today has gone, i don't imagine a world where scum-BM makes it to E-Lo here anyway, so what would it matter? I dunno, maybe it's like pichu said - the fact i defend myself is NAI, but the manner and sincerity i do it with reads as town.

Either way, if you're town here, I hope you give me some respect for the fact I tried to defend myself from the majority consensus, and didn't just roll over and die.

[Battle Mage]

BM are you town?
If you are town, what do you think about Murder's stance around your wagon. Constant shade yet no vote?

-nornor

yes im town noraa, i've poured my heart and soul out in this thread. i think you are emotionally intelligent enough to see this is BM-town. I don't know why you're voting me, unless you are really planning to over-rule Pooky?

Tv and ice cubes is a townie who I have a really strong TR on and he thinks ur the best lim. The reasons are decent like if we go elsewhere what if we end up outing a pr? and stuff like that. Idk.
I feel like I'm being dragged one way and then the other.

It's like tug of war but I'm the rope :/

PHEW. UNVOTE:
pls don't hurt me I don't wanna be the rope. I'll vote back only if pooky requests it. I really don't wanna be the rope. It's not good for my enjoyment in this game.

-nornor

half of that hydra set out in detail earlier why the case on me was complete garbage. I think 1 head thinks I'm scum, and 1 head thinks I'm town. It's hard to tell, their opinions seem to vary a lot and they don't sign their posts for some reason.

the argument of elimming someone you think is vanilla because you avoid outting a PR isn't really enough on it's own. you have to actually have some reason to think they are likely scum. otherwise you just elim a bunch of VTs and lose. Presumably the night power is loaded towards scum anyway given they chose their PRs, and Pooky probably ain't gonna force a claim out of one of his own masons so that reduces the risk. also, the worst thing for town in this game is a predictable pool of potential elims which scum can manipulate. unpredictability and some lustre are positive.

[Battle Mage]

That post looks remarkably familiar.
@BM.

are you literally voting me coz NC told you to? We're 100 pages deep dude, gimme something.

If someone specifically asks me to sheep and i’m Tring them I usually do it.
105 pages day 1. Would prefer ircher over you i’ve been out of this game for like 4 days. There’s a lot of crap to go through. I’m good.

lol alright i'll sit on you for now, this is brazenly weak VOTE: Bell

[Battle Mage]

i'd probably still have voted you for that - appreciate the attempt though

[Battle Mage]

if you're town, you can help immensely by doing pretty much anything other than voting me, when I've already been run up and Pooky-endorsed. can understand not wanting to read loads of crap, but anything will do. otherwise we're not getting anywhere

[Battle Mage]

Pooky, want a slice of pizza?

[Battle Mage]

NK15 - 19 posts out of 105 pages.
Of which:

2 apologising for inactivity
4 non game-related or jokes
3 pushing Bell for the way they talked to Flavor Leaf (I don't mind this really).
2 pushing Norwee for spam, then 2 backtracking from pushing Norwee for spam. (I quite like this, in that he attacked a loud slot, and wasn't afraid to back down. there's a question on the phraseology though, it reads slightly awkward to me.)
3 advising that people shouldn't read too much into meta, because FL would tell people to play to their meta or something (in hindsight, I'm not as convinced this means much)
1 sheeping pichu in an attack on MT, although there's some originality and evidence of solving-mindset in the attack-line taken.
2 posts randomly trying to pin people to Ircher without explanation.

RED FLAG

The takes are mostly pretty surface-level. It sometimes appears they have reads which they don't explain. The worst thing probably is a real pre-occupation with Flavor Leaf, and a self-consciousness which doesn't read as town here. It's basically a lurker slot too. But their rare pushes have felt genuine.

If they flip scum, definitely look at Ircher as having high partner equity.

Definitely a slot worth pressuring on Day 1, overall a decent chance of being scum, with some bright town feels.

[Battle Mage]

ok real talk
who actually go out of their way to want NK15 on their team?

i dont know who he is. i think one of the things i've learnt in this game is not to make assumptions based on rep/2nd hand experience. Judge based on what you see.

[Battle Mage]

Dr Easy Bake - in 105 pages, he has 1 read (DT-hardtown). I slightly like the fact he criticised DT early but then townread him - has a genuine feel to it. But otherwise, there's like nothing in this slot at all. No other opinions, openly lurking and not intending to scumhunt until Day 2.

Alignment-wise, who knows. Could easily elim there just to get rid of a slot not doing much. But not much info gained. No obvious partners. A crapshoot really.

[Battle Mage]

I'm not a PR so who gives a crap?

You're right. You're

not

a PR. So why

should

we care about you?

Also, yes, I argued against

some

points of Mastina's case against you. I also said I thought some of the things she said had merit. I'm willing to eliminate you for the latter.

Not to mention Norwee had a point that you spent most of your time relying on AtE to defend yourself rather than solving. And before you were even wagoned the first time, you were clearly softing a PR, but now you're supposedly just a VT.

So here we are, back to the BM wagon.

if you're town, you should try to elim scum, not VTs. blindly elimming VTs on purpose is dumb.

if you're town and about to die, it's in the interest of your wincon to defend yourself first and foremost.

if you wanted me to solve, you wouldn't still be trying to elim me, so that's a dumb argument to make.

i never softed a PR. that's just...false.

none of mastina's arguments had merit.

no shame in using AtE in the situation i'm in. I play to win for my team. And yes, that's the town team.

i literally don't know which head you are - why don't you sign your posts again? shooting an angle for a cheap scum win? Not impressive if so.

But I'll at least give you credit that you could speak for yourself and give some reasons, even if they weren't good ones.

[Battle Mage]

I'm seconding the incredibly low odds either team actually picks Nk15 and then likely odds both tried to pick you

you're not even this also you're a Cobra Kai alt?

[Battle Mage]

even IN this, even

[Battle Mage]

hey bm I'm the one who feels fairly strongly you're scum because you are very not cheeky and very AtE and whiny and I have more respect for your towngame than that

Ninja

I'm in thisnhydra you're arguing with

literally read the sig. This lack of awareness wouldn't come from town trying to solve btw

i was kidding dude, you probably just don't get the reference.

maybe the reason you dont think im cheeky is coz u dont get my jokes?

re having respect for my towngame...dude, have some sympathy, ive been bad-faithed to near death here with shitlogic. i am NOT a great mafia player by any stretch, and I'm not used to being the level-headed sensible one

[Battle Mage]

i literally don't know which head you are - why don't you sign your posts again? shooting an angle for a cheap scum win? Not impressive if so.

I'm seconding the incredibly low odds either team actually picks Nk15 and then likely odds both tried to pick you

you're not even this also you're a Cobra Kai alt?

Busted. Elim the fuck out of this he's caught not reading our slot

lol see dude, this bad faith shit is really lame.

the "you're not even in this" was a ref to a quote from this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-61w-afIiE

yeah, i'm entertaining myself to take the sting out of the game.

[Battle Mage]

he literally asked for us to sign so i was easier to read them was confused I'm in this game??? No way town BM makes this mistake.

it was a joke

but also, if it wasnt a joke, i think being a moron is probably NAI

this is what i mean by 'bad-faith'

[Battle Mage]

I've already stated that BM is my most desired elim of the four in the PoE and I feel that way now more than ever

I think it'd be cool to have some update from Pooky before locking it in but I don't know if that's something I should be hopeful for

you realise Pooky said to scrap the POE 4 right?

[Battle Mage]

He's reading NK and DEB
Next will be Toog and Creature I'm sure

Yeah that was shade if it wasn't clear lol

i have no idea why i keep getting shade for not contributing when im doing lots and most people are doing fk all.

anyway i'm voting VOTE: Solstice

that last post was gross, not the kind I'd remotely expect from MT-town.

also in moderately exciting news I believe I've worked out who the masons are, which will certainly help with my solving. so no more readslists from me

Spoiler:

which incidentally, probably means FL knows who the masons are

[Battle Mage]

[BM, are you scum?]

~Morning

no, obviously. I'm now convinced you are though, because you just bad-faithed and mis-repped me to death, and you are the most good-faithy player on this entire site.

or, worst case scenario, you have just completely taken leave of your senses.

[Battle Mage]

[BM, are you scum?]

~Morning

no, obviously. I'm now convinced you are though, because you just bad-faithed and mis-repped me to death, and you are the most good-faithy player on this entire site.

or, worst case scenario, you have just completely taken leave of your senses.

[Uh huh.. thanks for that]

~Morning

dude did you read your post? it was yuck. like doing everything possible to shade me without actually committing.

if you're town, i'm extremely disappointed in that take. bad faith. bleurgh.

Scum-MT would naturally want to move her wagon back on to me. But I know your towngame well, and that is not your style or your standard as town. You are much better than that <3

if Pooky mis-flips me today, I want you flipped tomorrow. sorry!

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: BM

I believe this is the 6th vote.
If you refuse to give the content I'm asking for then that's all there is left to do.

lol fair enough dude

make sure you fade Solstice tomorrow then

[Battle Mage]

[I just spent multiple hours reading and reviewing mastina's entire case for BM being scum because I previously was just dismissing it all -- which BM calls "smart" from me.]

[But now that I've taken the time to actually care and achieve a real verdict based off of the evidence and the entire case presented -- it's gross and I've lost my mind.]

[That is really, really disappointing to hear]

~Morning

nothing gross about the fact you read it

the fact you read it and framed it to demonstrate something it didn't = gross.

Anyway I think I've achieved something now - outting you as scum, so my death isn't in vain!

[Battle Mage]

Nah I'm gunna go for Noraa still

so what did my reads even matter? i half figured as much

[Battle Mage]

Ok I'm done for a bit.

Pooks, if you're reading this and I'm dead or near-dead, please elim Solstice tomorrow to avenge me. I really think MT is scum here.

Also if I correctly worked out the masons, do I get a prize?

You probably have to fade me today anyway to keep control of the town, so it's cool - no hard feelings, or emotional trip. We had a damn good ride, and you proved you knew better than those fools. But you gotta do what's in the best interests of the game, and I'm not even sure if this town is capable of doing anything other than mis-fading me here, in order to move on and bring the scum out of the shadows.

I feel strangely at peace. Maybe being mis-elimmed for the first time in 30 odd games is a small price to pay for actually playing a good, intelligent and logical game for once. and i bagged you Solstice, which wouldnt have happened if you burned me earlier.

Do what you have to do, brother. We're always strong. <3

Spoiler:

PS: If you do want me to live, the fact i know the masons and 1 scum does make me able to solve more effectively for ya. but upto you!

[Battle Mage]

MT, I'm not gonna argue with you when you're in this rage.

I haven't bad-faithed you, or tunnelled you. This isn't remotely like Jigsaw Mafia, and I think that's a pretty low shot to take. I simply called you out for 1 post which I don't think you make as town. If you did make it as town, let's talk about it postgame or whatever, and we can clear the air. Otherwise I'm just gonna tell you I think you're scum here, and there's no personal shot from me.

[Battle Mage]

there's probably a learning point in this game for me, about trying to find a balance between being a paragon of logic and being townread AT THE SAME TIME.

They shouldn't need to be mutually exclusive

but as i say, i think i was always a bit screwed in this game with Mastina in the hotseat, and her obsession with elimming me as quickly as possible in every game. it has felt a bit like most of the other players have just hidden behind that, which in turn makes it hard to work out who is scum.

[Battle Mage]

[You're never going to catch me as scum cause i'll just make sure not to step on your toes ever, lol.

You've scumread me in every single game we've ever played as soon as I start going against you.

It is.. so familiar. I almost forgot what it feels like]

[pedit: I do want to clarify I don't feel you're intentionally personally attacking me, I just am taking it personal a bit because I tried very hard to be objective with that post and you hand-waved it pretty much for no reason other than because I disagree with you.]

[Like -- in what world is ignoring everything mastina says a smarter me? I feel bad for the "I'm ignoring mastina" comment. You said I was smart and everyone should sheep that stance. That's bs, dude.]

[You can clarify that it's not the act of reading into what mastina says, and you are actually scumreading me for some "Morning misinterprets everything I say and bends it to make me scum here!" bull,

but you gotta actually show me where I do that.

]

~Morning

MT - i think we've only played 2 games against each other previously, and in 1 of those I (correctly) townread you throughout. you're just lying here.

anyway i'm not sweating this any more. I've put in loads of effort in this game but my goose is cooked. Hopefully yours will be tomorrow for throwing me under with such dishonesty and bad faith here. you may feel your post was objective - i vehemently disagree. it read as being entirely orchestrate through a lens of trying to paint me as being scum when you know i'm not.

It may be for nothing anyway, as nobody cares about my reads, except maybe the big man. which is ironic given the amount of bleating about me not giving enough reads here.

Ok, I'm checkin' out - it's been real y'all! Go town

[Battle Mage]

BM what in Solstice's post makes you want to vote them now?

Because just recently gave a pretty noncommittal read on them and now now you want to vote them when they happen to be the next most likely elimination today?

they were the most likely elimination then too i guess - votes didnt change significantly between the two? i dunno *shrug*

anyway, i already answered the above several times - it's their bad faith approach. It's not MT's style as town at all. She is the ultimate in giving everybody the benefit of the doubt, and she's also highly intelligent and cautious. That post was basically a shameless attempt to do everything possible to shade me without getting her hands dirty. MT knows me pretty well, especially from when we hydra'd together. I think as town she can read me correctly here. But I am convinced that as town she can strike an objective, logical and balanced assessment of my slot and mastina's review of it. She did not do so, therefore I think she is scum.

[Battle Mage]

yeah, i think i'm better off elimmed in this game. the game is just a fog at the moment until I flip.

ok, really done now!

[Battle Mage]

maybe there's a slim chance once i'm dead ppl actually listen to me. or at least get motivated to do something useful and productive

[Battle Mage]

[You're never going to catch me as scum cause i'll just make sure not to step on your toes ever, lol.

You've scumread me in every single game we've ever played as soon as I start going against you.

It is.. so familiar. I almost forgot what it feels like]

[pedit: I do want to clarify I don't feel you're intentionally personally attacking me, I just am taking it personal a bit because I tried very hard to be objective with that post and you hand-waved it pretty much for no reason other than because I disagree with you.]

[Like -- in what world is ignoring everything mastina says a smarter me? I feel bad for the "I'm ignoring mastina" comment. You said I was smart and everyone should sheep that stance. That's bs, dude.]

[You can clarify that it's not the act of reading into what mastina says, and you are actually scumreading me for some "Morning misinterprets everything I say and bends it to make me scum here!" bull,

but you gotta actually show me where I do that.

]

~Morning

MT - i think we've only played 2 games against each other previously, and in 1 of those I (correctly) townread you throughout. you're just lying here.

anyway i'm not sweating this any more. I've put in loads of effort in this game but my goose is cooked. Hopefully yours will be tomorrow for throwing me under with such dishonesty and bad faith here. you may feel your post was objective - i vehemently disagree. it read as being entirely orchestrate through a lens of trying to paint me as being scum when you know i'm not.

It may be for nothing anyway, as nobody cares about my reads, except maybe the big man. which is ironic given the amount of bleating about me not giving enough reads here.

Ok, I'm checkin' out - it's been real y'all! Go town

[wdym you read me wrong in both 2009 and Jigsaw. The persistence of your scumread in Jigsaw was impressive. And you did the same thing in 2009. So what game are you referring to..?]

[You actually believing my post was laden in dishonesty and bad faith leaves me in complete and utter disbelief. It's astonishing. There's a decent chance you're town that believes that. It is so frustrating to me.]

~Morning

out of fairness to you, i went back and looked at 2009 again. You're wrong. I didn't read you as scum. I mean, tbh, I was fairly scattergun and attacked everybody at one point or another, but I never made a case on you or pushed you. Maybe you mis-remembered, but the problem with using these empirically observable examples to defend your read when you're wrong, is that from my perspective it looks like you are lying to make a case on me.

You can call it astonishing but like...you know me. As town, I fundamentally believe you know better than to make that bad faith post. And ultimately that's the only reason we are where we are.

anyway, no hard feelings on personal terms, but I do want Pooky to elim you to avenge me tomorrow.

Adios all! It's been....an experience! <3

[Battle Mage]

no respect for Pooky. You should all be ashamed.

I'm sorry brother, hope you can turn this round!

[Battle Mage]

I guess NK15 was scum then? plus Solstice. That's something.

[Battle Mage]

ugh

ugh? you were dying to roast me dude.

[Battle Mage]

Why are we not waiting for Pooky

i mean yeah, i agree. rest of this town is fked if they dont learn respect, and quickly.

[Battle Mage]

at least dunnstral is obvtown.

[Battle Mage]

Someone shoot NK tonight for that please

no point wasting a vig shot on NK. Use a vig shot on someone difficult to day-elim.

[Battle Mage]

Please flip scum thx

i am town, like i said all along. duh

[Battle Mage]

also noraa, you screwed me again! the tradition lives on!

[Battle Mage]

at least dunnstral is obvtown.

No thoughts on NK15's cringy hammer?

- Norwee

i gave thoughts on that already.

dude, can you start reading the whole game tomorrow?

[Battle Mage]

at least this proves my boy Pooky is the best! and maybe now those silly masons and other misguided town will listen to him.

[Battle Mage]

I guess NK15 was scum then? plus Solstice. That's something.

NK maybe. Solstice no.

-nornor

maybe you noraa, maybe you. i was largely townreading you, but towards the end of today you've been all over the place. you're not as scummy as Solstice though.

[Battle Mage]

yes im town noraa, i've poured my heart and soul out in this thread.

And yet that heart and soul pouring out has generated very little in terms of solid gamesolving.

that's largely because of you, mastina. your ridiculous trivial tunnelling has meant that 100 pages were mostly spent with people hiding behind your skirt and focussing only on me. I have done my bit in terms of solving, maybe tomorrow you can pull your finger out.

[Battle Mage]

and maybe you can admit you were silly for spending all that time protesting I was "confscum" "lockscum" "100% scum".

Because it was no bueno.

also your bad faith, ill-thought-out VLA angle-shoot attack on me was lame regardless of my flip.

[Battle Mage]

Please flip scum thx

i am town, like i said all along. duh

also noraa, you screwed me again! the tradition lives on!

are you twilight trolling?
if no, sorry I really gotta stop paranoiaing myself into SRing you every game.

-nornor

im not convinced you SRed me Noraa, I think you just wanted to elim me regardless.

[Battle Mage]

I'll just wait for the flip for conclusive evidence, i trust BM about as far as i can throw him.

- Norwee

it wouldnt shock me to see you still protesting i'm scum tomorrow after the flip.

[Battle Mage]

My initial team had Battle Mage and Netflix and Chill in place of PBE and Bell.

Ah well I'm not sure we'd have done much better in this game tbh.

Day 1 was a bit of a train wreck because the masons didn't listen to the stump - definitely think in this sort of game, town Stump should be able to veto key decisions and influence things more. Felt like a really tough spot for Pooky being undercut by the masons throughout.

That being said, always felt that town would probably win after I died - and town did seem to re-focus much better on subsequent days. These high-intensity large themes are tough on scum, and seems like scumteams capitulate much more frequently than smaller ones which are easier to manage.

Interestingly, I thought I had nailed the masons on Day 1, but my predicted mason group were all town-aligned non-masons. Which would have at least been functional for solving. Overall my reads were pretty hit-and-miss, but I felt I generally did well not to just OMGUS/tunnel everybody who tunnelled me, and my plan of just elimming DEB on Day 1 would have worked a treat.

Overall congrats to Pooky and commisserations to Flavor Leaf!