You know that would make perfect sense - threatening to self-hammer with no effort to save himself. I actually think he’s jester here.In post 1388, Amy Dunne wrote:One of them said there were 3 factions right?In post 1387, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Either that or he's jester, third party-role, maybe vengeful?
Omg, you think he could possibly be a jester?
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Maybe there’s a reason he only voted Yin but he threatened to self-hammer. I think there’s actually a role like that.In post 1389, Morning Tweet wrote:im starting to feel very outside of the loop of something
pedit: If Ircher is a jester he'd have to be unable to vote himself for some reason
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Nope, just Yin.In post 1397, Morning Tweet wrote:Hectic used to like Jesters but i *think* they fell out of favour with him. Don't quote me on that tho
I feel more strongly that killing Ircher is beneficial to us
pedit: Wait has Ircher never voted anyone?
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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=HammererIn post 1409, Amy Dunne wrote:https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Actor
I’ve seen this in one game I was in.
Also this one. I don’t think there are any roles that specifically involve self-hammering though.
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Do you think it could possibly have something to do with his role or just a conscious choice?In post 1410, Morning Tweet wrote:I'm convinced something's influenced Ircher to play this way.In post 700, Ircher wrote:Not really. I'm trying something a bit different this game; a bit more of an advisory role so to speak.In post 672, clidd wrote:Ircher, do you have any takes on the players so far?
I don't remember you expressing your impressions yet.
I still feel like his intent was to blend in and play with us though. Take this post for example, he's preemptively covering up that he's going to play weird..
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Yeah makes sense, if was jester, he would just straight up self-hammered instead of just threatening to.In post 1416, Morning Tweet wrote:Either way he's been doing it all along. I think it's more likely his role -- that would explain no early game vote and why he was hyper fixated on the mechanics from the startIn post 1415, Amy Dunne wrote:Do you think it could possibly have something to do with his role or just a conscious choice?In post 1410, Morning Tweet wrote:I'm convinced something's influenced Ircher to play this way.In post 700, Ircher wrote:Not really. I'm trying something a bit different this game; a bit more of an advisory role so to speak.In post 672, clidd wrote:Ircher, do you have any takes on the players so far?
I don't remember you expressing your impressions yet.
I still feel like his intent was to blend in and play with us though. Take this post for example, he's preemptively covering up that he's going to play weird..
I really feel like his intent was to seem like he was contributing
Whatever it is, it's not protown. If we're gonna be punished for taking him out so be it and I'll hammer or whatever but i don't think he's going to be jester.
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This makes me think vengeful is a real possibility and he can only possibly vk voters on his wagon, possibly?In post 1353, Ircher wrote:In post 1349, Amy Dunne wrote:VOTE: IrcherIn post 1326, pj harvey dent wrote:
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I understand that Ydrasse thinks he’s playing differently here but he is basically not playing and he’s only asking NPA’s pointless questions.
That’s pretty what I did in Anomals uPick. I don’t think anyone here besides of course Pooky was in that game.
Also, him saying that something as hardwired into my meta as genuineness would be “easy” for me to fake is ridiculous. Had he instead said not impossible, that probably wouldn’t have pinged me but it read as subtle shade to me without him actually sr me, so that also really pinged me.Spoiler:
Why does he make this post?
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Yeah, it definitely looks role related but why couldn’t he still make reads? He made surface ones on Norwee, Tanner and Flea.In post 1428, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Another post i think is important.In post 564, Ircher wrote:Nah. I'm fine with my current role.In post 557, Tanner wrote:ay yo ircher, wanna place an actual vote on someone?
This seems to be Ircher crumbing that he doesn't want to place an vote due to something that is directly correlated with his role and that he's "fine with it".
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Could he possibly be town negitive utility? His play has been antitown, whatever he is irrespective of role/alignment.In post 1430, Ydrasse wrote:i don't think that scum!ircher is incapable of making reads unless he's having an off game so that part is really ?
like unless he was trying something new that backfired horribly
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This post does make me think this isn’t wifom and that we will somehow possibly regret this - whatever it means.In post 1350, Ircher wrote:Intent to hammer. Speak now or forever hold your peace.
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Yeah, he’s obviously not jester or he would have already self-hammered.In post 1433, Ydrasse wrote:if you mean he's town and negative utility in what world does he play like this
if u mean he handicaps us though then like, i get it
his play i think is just scummy at this point rather than him being a jester because i dont think hectic would actually use a jester, mt was right that he's moved past liking those from what i know of him
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Him listing everyone on his wagon makes me think possibly a vk but one who maybe can only vk only players who are on his wagon?In post 1434, Ydrasse wrote:hmmm
if i think about it from him being scum, and if he's something really hurtful to us, i don't get why he wouldn't hammer? it could be a last stand, "oh i really hope i worm out of this," but that also implies his role can't be /too/ crippling for us, and at that point i woudl think he would just try to play as towny as he could and then if he does get elimmed it's a small blessing
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Yeah, could be.In post 1436, Morning Tweet wrote:My guess is that it was a last ditch WIFOM attempt
I think it's most likely that Ircher is evil and has to play with a setback cause his play comes across as trying to blend in the background and survive to me
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So you think it’s wifom and an attempt into frightening us into unvoting him?In post 1438, Morning Tweet wrote:If he were going to do something bad to the people on his wagon, why would he warn us of that?
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If he’s a jester, why didn’t he just self-hammer after I put him to E-1?In post 1440, Ydrasse wrote:hm
i don't think it's role based honestly, thinking about the nature of silent star games; the last few i don't remember having specific roles for people that *did anything* more just overarching mechanics people had to deal with
it just makes sense to slice it down to ircher's scum and he's acting scummy more and more as the game goes on, or alternatively i ~guess~ he could be a jester
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This post was extremely definitive. Yin says there’s 3 factions and that Pooky has definitely voted a criminal. Of course Yin could also be totally lying to us.In post 982, Yin wrote:Tale tells of a stone. It holds the power of eternal life, eternal health, eternal happiness, eternal wealth.
It glimmers in red. It shines in gold. It glistens in silver. It sparkles in blue. It reflects in her eyes.
Countless hopefuls have tried to capture her eyes, and hold the stone for themself. Countless have died for it. The stones finish remains unmarred by the decades of blood and despair that follow in its wake.
The thief knows the stone is hidden somewhere here. And not just the stone. Equal and opposite in every way, it's sister sleeps with it. Sleeps down deep, deep, deep, in the depths of the ocean, falling, falling, falling.
Speaking of the ocean, it contains at least 30 known species of criminal.This game has 3 factions.Yes you have.
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But Infinity, he clearly has 0 intention of saying anything. If he did, he would have already done it don’t you think?In post 1451, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm always of the belief that if something doesn't make sense, it's much more likely to come from town, but I admit that I don't really get the self-hammer thing from a town perspective and it could make sense from scum. I still want to hear what ircher has to say. To me, the "trying a new thing" and being much less involved in discussion reads towny to me. If scum was lazy they'd use "trying a new thing" as an excuse probably or not at all rather than saying it at the beginning of the game. This way it draws a lot of negative attention to himself. I don't think a jester is likely in this game.
@clidd I already explained my nakata read, is there something more you wanted me to talk about there?
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Why not?In post 1452, Morning Tweet wrote:I would like to see what Yin says at midnight
If you believe Ircher is anti town I don't think you should put him at X-1 yet
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He isn’t going to give us any information regardless. I think that’s been really beyond obvious.In post 1456, Morning Tweet wrote:If he has the ability to self hammer then he will do it to rob us of that informationIn post 1455, Amy Dunne wrote:Why not?In post 1452, Morning Tweet wrote:I would like to see what Yin says at midnight
If you believe Ircher is anti town I don't think you should put him at X-1 yet
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UNVOTE:In post 1460, Morning Tweet wrote:No I mean Yin's information. Yin comes at midnight and I want to hear what he says before we kill Ircher.In post 1459, Amy Dunne wrote:He isn’t going to give us any information regardless. I think that’s been really beyond obvious.In post 1456, Morning Tweet wrote:If he has the ability to self hammer then he will do it to rob us of that informationIn post 1455, Amy Dunne wrote:Why not?In post 1452, Morning Tweet wrote:I would like to see what Yin says at midnight
If you believe Ircher is anti town I don't think you should put him at X-1 yet
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Twice, I put him to E -1 twice now. He threatened to self-hammer but didn’t, so I guess Tweetie’s right about it being wifom.In post 1465, Chara wrote:it feels like you just want to be limmed, Ircher.
did he have an opportunity to self-hammer already and didn't take it?
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His only vote the entire game has been on Yin, so I’m leaning can’t vote.In post 1466, Chara wrote:also i think Norwee'a theory that Ircher just can't vote or his vote does something funky is correct.
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If you can vote, vote anyone who isn’t a NPA.In post 1462, Ircher wrote:So going back to this, I think the first three votes are town and the last three contain 1-2 scum.I may or may not answer some assuming I live long enough to actually look at it in detail.I could but I'm not.Sadly none of these theories are correct.In post 1414, NorwegianboyEE wrote:There just seems to be something really fucky about Ircher's play, and i'm brainstorming the possibilities.
Theory A: He's an vengeful that wanted people to vote him so he could kill who he reads as scum.
Theory B: He's mafia that's just playing really weird and suboptimally.
Theory C: He's an mafia town PR enabler who dying would be beneficial for scum.
Theory D: He's an jester and he can't place an vote, explaining his weird behaviour, lack of focus on scum hunting, only voting for an NPC to hide that he can't vote. Etc.
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In post 1474, Chara wrote:has anyone asked Yin about Ircher yet? i could use my question since we're waiting anyway. i'm not sure it'll help but might as well.
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Why does scum!Tweetie want me to unvote Ircher to hear what Yin is going to say?In post 1479, Satoru Nakata wrote:VOTE: Morning Tweet
Nakata thinks he'd like to come back to this for now.
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I know no one understands but I know Pooky probably better than anyone on this playerlist and I don’t see why he says that phrase to me as scum?In post 1483, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Amy if you end up in ElO with Pooky he's probably scum.
Just saying.
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This statement tends to be town indicative in general but I don’t see why scum!Pooky says this to me.In post 712, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I thought you said you knew how to read me >.>
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You really think she could be scum here? She seems super townie to me.In post 1486, Chara wrote:i think Hectic wouldn't include a mechanic that punishes eliminating non-town necessarily.
also i've been reading Tweetie's posts on it and i think i agree that ultimately Ircher is not behaving like town. i doubt the reason for it is that scum Ircher just can't come up with reads this game for some reason, but it's possible he's still scum with some fucky role. or 3p with some fucky role. or he tried something and it didn't work out, and he's hoping acting like a jester can buy some time.
pedit: i do think scum Tweetie would do something like that, i don't see why she wouldn't?
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I mean it’s of course completely dependent on the exact nature of what Yin’s role actually is but if Yin has anything pertinent to say at all, I would think scum wouldn’t want Yin to say anything?In post 1485, Amy Dunne wrote:Why does scum!Tweetie want me to unvote Ircher to hear what Yin is going to say?In post 1479, Satoru Nakata wrote:VOTE: Morning Tweet
Nakata thinks he'd like to come back to this for now.
But I still don’t really understand how the NPAs fit exactly into this setup.
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Possibly? But she sounds townie here. In Royalty she seemed kind’ve off and slightly sketchy.In post 1491, Chara wrote:i think she's been pretty town so far, but your reasoning being that she unvoted Ircher to get more answers from Yin is what i don't agree with. it just seems like a very NAI thing to do.
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Why? I don’t understand that at all?In post 1492, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I find people unvoting Ircher to be susp
just feels like they know more about what's going on than I do
which is not a whole lot lol
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Well that’s why I unvoted. It obviously can’t hurt us to hear what Yin is going to say.In post 1496, Chara wrote:oh, i kind of get what you were saying now. it does assume that scum would want to silence Yin, which i'm not sure about. i was thinking more about the delaying Ircher's elimination angle, that i found an NAI opinion.
and i'm not really arguing Tweetie is scum? she can be town and do a thing i found NAI.
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Doesn’t that involve NKs? During the day, he could only be SS or vengeful right but we do know that his threatening to self-hammer was fake - for whatever reasons.In post 1498, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:In post 1495, Amy Dunne wrote:Why? I don’t understand that at all?In post 1492, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I find people unvoting Ircher to be susp
just feels like they know more about what's going on than I do
which is not a whole lot lol
this is one of those silent star games
so thats all sorts of funky stuff.
what if ircher is some kind of bomb or something and blows people up >.>
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In Royalty, after 2 miselims, I think 3 scum were revealed or something? And had scum been 2nd elim, town would have won? My memory is a bit sketchy.In post 1501, Chara wrote:does someone want to give Chara a crash course on the weird stuff that's been in Silent Star? i'm not really in the right mood to start reading through a bunch of mechanics in past games, but i will if i have to.
In Lunacy, town all got werewolf pms, so they all thought they rolled scum and the mafia actually got mafia pms.
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Hectic actually lied about that? Wild. In Lunacy. all town were told they share a PT with another player with the same faction but that was obviously a lie for the 3 players with mafia neigbours.In post 1503, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i dunno if the scum have a night kill
even the scum dont know if they have a nightkill
i was scum in SS2 and hectic lied to me about having a nightkill(i didnt have one)
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I think so too.In post 1511, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I'm p sure Tweetie is town
you can blame me if we lose and she's scum
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+1In post 1517, Ydrasse wrote:mt is town but not ~~obvtown~~ but voting her when we have like 4 options everyones going back and forth over feels like the absolute stupidest thing we could do lol
and i wonder why nakata, man of the hour in this pool, would say something like that ....
Yep.
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“Screwing?”. or do you mean “screwy”?In post 1521, Morning Tweet wrote:It feels like something is screwing with Ircher, Nakata, Infinity, and Robert doesn't it
And NONE of them have denied this yet
Can some of you do that so we can be less paranoid ??
Because I only see “screwing” wrt Ircher and not the other 3, so could you elaborate?
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np <3In post 1527, Chara wrote:sorry Amy, i didn't see. i am on my phone now and just skimming while i take care of some work. thank you as well. :>In post 1504, Amy Dunne wrote:In Royalty, after 2 miselims, I think 3 scum were revealed or something? And had scum been 2nd elim, town would have won? My memory is a bit sketchy.In post 1501, Chara wrote:does someone want to give Chara a crash course on the weird stuff that's been in Silent Star? i'm not really in the right mood to start reading through a bunch of mechanics in past games, but i will if i have to.
In Lunacy, town all got werewolf pms, so they all thought they rolled scum and the mafia actually got mafia pms.
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If you wanted to be sane, don’t ever sign up for an SS game.In post 1531, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Clearly i’m the only player that received a town role pm and everyone else is scum, 3P or werewolf.
I’m the only sane man!
Sanity is expressly verbotten.
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Yeah see what you mean.In post 1533, Morning Tweet wrote:Something messing with them.In post 1530, Amy Dunne wrote:“Screwing?”. or do you mean “screwy”?In post 1521, Morning Tweet wrote:It feels like something is screwing with Ircher, Nakata, Infinity, and Robert doesn't it
And NONE of them have denied this yet
Can some of you do that so we can be less paranoid ??
Because I only see “screwing” wrt Ircher and not the other 3, so could you elaborate?
Ircher is the most blatantly off this game, but...
Robert has only attacked the most pushed player in the game at the time (Tanner -> Nakata -> Ircher)
Infinity feels extremely off but hard to explain. It doesn't help they seem blissfully unaware that we're saying they seem off. Her read on Ircher just doesn't make sense to me
Nakata admitedly might not be but switching off of Ircher to me seems bonkers to me
Out of them I don't *think* Robert is scum but Infinity and Nakata are questionable to me
Yeah, all have been saying really crazy things. Something could definitely be up with Nakata and Infinity though because she keeps pushing him but he has expressed no interest in voting her, yet he’s sr you, me and Ydrasse for previously voting him.
Nakata wanted to vote Ircher and now that you’re sr him, he wants to lim you. You’re probably right about Robert. Nakata’s reasoning for wanting to lim Robert is just as bad as wanting to vote you but still, he can’t possibly believe you’re getting elimed, so it’s probably a distraction.
Maybe all 3 of Ircher, Nakata and Infinity are distancing each other?
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Why doesn’t Infinty pushing you bother you in the slightest? You were extremely upset at Tweetie, me and Ydrasee earlier but Infinity can push for your elim and you’re totally fine with it?In post 1537, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata thinks Morning Tweet is angling to get an easy miselim today but also to be setup to push him and/or Infinity 324 tomorrow or on D3.
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In post 1523, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:what if we're all actually dead and we're actually voting for players to be brought back to life?
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He’s town with a completely normal role doing this, why?In post 1566, Infinity 324 wrote:@tweet
In what way does any of that contribute to a traditional scum wincon?
I think it's more likely he's just town who agreed with some of the consensus points on nakata/robert and is just...playing weird idk
It could be scum doing a weird WIFOM play but that seems out-of-character for ircher and also really dumb
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I have meta on Tweetie and this looks like her towngame. You said she’s “flying under the radar”, when that’s clearly not the case at all. That was actuality true in Royalty, where she was scum.In post 1574, Satoru Nakata wrote:Friend Amy Dunne, look at the above and reconsider your Morning Tweet TR please!
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She was doing essentially nothing in that game, just the occasional NAI pop in until she suddenly voted town!Hopkirk.In post 1587, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata thinks Morning Tweet here looks a lot like Morning Tweet in Royslty!
Here she is an active presence.
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I have no words.In post 1586, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata thinks that if he’s right that Morning Tweet is scum then NorwegianboyEE is a likely partner for the way he’s chainsawing Nakata for trying to put the spotlight on Morning Tweet.
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Yes, please answer his questions and if you’re actually town here, then give us some reads so that we can see that. You can’t just tell us you’re town, do nothing town indicative and just expect us to buy it.In post 1592, Ircher wrote:Some comments:
1) The intent to hammer comment was pure troll. I was not going to follow through with that, and I was well aware of how it would come across. I also thought it would be amusing, and it has proven to be so. Lots of interesting conspiracy theories formed from that.
2) I said this earlier, but I wanted to try a more advisory play style this game. One that isn't really focused on forming reads but rather on supporting the formation of reads. Perhaps the way I've gone about this is not ideal, but that's the goal. The comments that "I'm not scumhunting" are therefore more or less accurate as are the comments that I'm purposely giving neutral comments. See also: this MD thread.
3) I will try to answer some of clidd's questions later tonight, but that's probably all that I'm doing before I'm inevitably faded.
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Then why won’t you give us reads? This would actually make more sense if you were a tpr trying not to get nk’d but why play like you are as a freaking vt?In post 1593, Ircher wrote:Oh and 4) I'm VT. You can put your conspiracy theories to rest.
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I’ve seen tprs play deliberately scummy but never a vt. There is no reason whatsoever for a vt to do absolutely nothing to try and solve. It’s not even really valid for a tpr but at least that would make more sense.In post 1600, Tanner wrote:hot take that may or may not make sense, i haven't checked: i think ircher is town, because i feel like there are way too many ~scummy slots going "idk i don't want ircher he's a loltownie" to the point where SOMEONE of them has to be scum tmi-ing him as town.
Ircher was bleeding obvtown in Pooky v FL, so he isn’t one of those players incapable of being super townie. If he claimed either negative utility or post restriction or absolutely anything to explain his weirdness but he’s pretty much saying it’s not role related, so it’s not making any sense to me why he’d act this way as a vt.
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lololol probably needs some special kinds of high frequency lenses or goggles.In post 1613, Robert M Hunter wrote:Please provide concrete examples because I'm not seeing this.In post 1592, Ircher wrote:supporting the formation of reads
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I can see where Tanner is coming from but I can’t see why any vt would ever play the way that Ircher is here. Usually when townies act weird, it’s because they have a negative utility role, some kind of post restriction or even possibly trying to hide a tpr but nothing that Ircher has done makes an iota of sense if he’s actually just a vt.In post 1619, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Having a new playstyle would be totally understandable. But Ircher hasn’t exactly been an "advisory role to town" as he purports.
He’s asked Yin what his favourite Chinese characters are.
It just feels like an convenient excuse to bring out if suspected for an complete lack of solving and town mindset.
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Did Yin actually clear Ircher her or am I misreading?In post 1656, Yin wrote:The clock approaches midnight.
But the time of day doesn't matter to the creatures in the ocean's depths. In the deep ocean, the bathypelagic zone, sunlight cannot find her way in. Time passes in the world above, and the world below is oblivious.
The creatures down here are a new breed. They have no sun, so they make their own. Each is the center of brilliance for their own tiny world.
"Disgusting. This is why I hate fish."
She laughs at him again.
"I said I hate them. I'm not scared of fish. I'm really not. Not even that one that's... 90% mouth. And teeth. And eeeugh."
You've voted at least one.
No there are not.
My goal is a captive audience.In post 1293, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Yin
Do you have an win condition or is it your purpose to increase the chances of an particular faction to win the game?
When chickadees are alarmed, they make their distinctive call. Chick-a-dee-dee-dee!
When chickadees are just chillin, they make their normal call. Fee-bee! Fee-bee!
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I don’t think so. At least I definitely hope that isn’t the case. That would make the entire day a complete waste.In post 1661, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Maybe day 1 is just trolling and Yin/Yang will select who is going to be mafia/town from day 2 and onwards.
I’m trying to think what crazy theme this game actually is, i doubt it’s just an vanilla "find the scum" game.
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Pooky has an anti-bussing meta, so he’s clear then according to Yin. So, Yin’s answer to me didn’t involve Infinty then?In post 1664, Morning Tweet wrote:According to Yin:In post 1279, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Updated^In post 1269, NorwegianboyEE wrote:According to Yin:
- There is scum in Ircher/Infinity/Nakata
- There is scum in Norwee/Pooky/Chara
- There is either 0 or maximum 1 scum in: Amy/Robert/Tanner
- There are 3 factions (Repeated twice)
- Yang is not an criminal.
- Pooky has voted for a criminal at some point. (Voted slots before post 981: Chara/Tanner/Morning Tweet/Ydrasse)
- There is scum in:Ircher/Infinity/Nakata
- There is scum in: Norwee/Pooky/Chara
- There is scum in Pooky's votes before post 981: Chara/Tanner/Morning Tweet/Ydrasse
- There is scum in Amy's votes before post 1289: Chara/Ircher/Nakata
- There is either 0 or maximum 1 scum in:Amy/Robert/Tanner
- There are no scum in: Ydrasse/Amy/IrcPooky has an anti-bussing meta, so he’s clear then according to Yin. So, Yin’s answer to me didn’t involve Infinty then?In post 1664, Morning Tweet wrote:According to Yin:In post 1279, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Updated^In post 1269, NorwegianboyEE wrote:According to Yin:
- There is scum in Ircher/Infinity/Nakata
- There is scum in Norwee/Pooky/Chara
- There is either 0 or maximum 1 scum in: Amy/Robert/Tanner
- There are 3 factions (Repeated twice)
- Yang is not an criminal.
- Pooky has voted for a criminal at some point. (Voted slots before post 981: Chara/Tanner/Morning Tweet/Ydrasse)
- There is scum in:Ircher/Infinity/Nakata
- There is scum in: Norwee/Pooky/Chara
- There is scum in Pooky's votes before post 981: Chara/Tanner/Morning Tweet/Ydrasse
- There is scum in Amy's votes before post 1289: Chara/Ircher/Nakata
- There is either 0 or maximum 1 scum in:Amy/Robert/Tanner
- There are no scum in: Ydrasse/Amy/Ircher
- There are 3 factions (Repeated twice)
- Yang is not an criminal.
Because I have voted Chara/Ircher, Nakata, Infinity and VOTE: Ircher.
However, I’m not sure how much of this we can reliably trust. Because
her
- There are 3 factions (Repeated twice)
- Yang is not an criminal.
Because I have voted Chara/
Ircher
, Nakata, Infinity and VOTE: Ircher.However, I’m not sure how much of this we can reliably trust. Because
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Pooky has an anti-bussing meta, so he’s clear then according to Yin. So, Yin’s answer to me didn’t involve Infinty then?In post 1664, Morning Tweet wrote:According to Yin:In post 1279, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Updated^In post 1269, NorwegianboyEE wrote:According to Yin:
- There is scum in Ircher/Infinity/Nakata
- There is scum in Norwee/Pooky/Chara
- There is either 0 or maximum 1 scum in: Amy/Robert/Tanner
- There are 3 factions (Repeated twice)
- Yang is not an criminal.
- Pooky has voted for a criminal at some point. (Voted slots before post 981: Chara/Tanner/Morning Tweet/Ydrasse)
- There is scum in:Ircher/Infinity/Nakata
- There is scum in: Norwee/Pooky/Chara
- There is scum in Pooky's votes before post 981: Chara/Tanner/Morning Tweet/Ydrasse
- There is scum in Amy's votes before post 1289: Chara/Ircher/Nakata
- There is either 0 or maximum 1 scum in:Amy/Robert/Tanner
- There are no scum in: Ydrasse/Amy/IrcPooky has an anti-bussing meta, so he’s clear then according to Yin. So, Yin’s answer to me didn’t involve Infinty then?In post 1664, Morning Tweet wrote:According to Yin:In post 1279, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Updated^In post 1269, NorwegianboyEE wrote:According to Yin:
- There is scum in Ircher/Infinity/Nakata
- There is scum in Norwee/Pooky/Chara
- There is either 0 or maximum 1 scum in: Amy/Robert/Tanner
- There are 3 factions (Repeated twice)
- Yang is not an criminal.
- Pooky has voted for a criminal at some point. (Voted slots before post 981: Chara/Tanner/Morning Tweet/Ydrasse)
- There is scum in:Ircher/Infinity/Nakata
- There is scum in: Norwee/Pooky/Chara
- There is scum in Pooky's votes before post 981: Chara/Tanner/Morning Tweet/Ydrasse
- There is scum in Amy's votes before post 1289: Chara/Ircher/Nakata
- There is either 0 or maximum 1 scum in:Amy/Robert/Tanner
- There are no scum in: Ydrasse/Amy/Ircher
- There are 3 factions (Repeated twice)
- Yang is not an criminal.
Because I have voted Chara/Ircher, Nakata, Infinity and VOTE: Ircher.
However, I’m not sure how much of this we can reliably trust. Because
her
- There are 3 factions (Repeated twice)
- Yang is not an criminal.
Because I have voted Chara/
Ircher
, Nakata, Infinity and VOTE: Ircher.However, I’m not sure how much of this we can reliably trust. Because
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Pooky has an anti-bussing meta, so he’s clear then according to Yin. So, Yin’s answer to me didn’t involve Infinty then?In post 1664, Morning Tweet wrote:According to Yin:In post 1279, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Updated^In post 1269, NorwegianboyEE wrote:According to Yin:
- There is scum in Ircher/Infinity/Nakata
- There is scum in Norwee/Pooky/Chara
- There is either 0 or maximum 1 scum in: Amy/Robert/Tanner
- There are 3 factions (Repeated twice)
- Yang is not an criminal.
- Pooky has voted for a criminal at some point. (Voted slots before post 981: Chara/Tanner/Morning Tweet/Ydrasse)
- There is scum in:Ircher/Infinity/Nakata
- There is scum in: Norwee/Pooky/Chara
- There is scum in Pooky's votes before post 981: Chara/Tanner/Morning Tweet/Ydrasse
- There is scum in Amy's votes before post 1289: Chara/Ircher/Nakata
- There is either 0 or maximum 1 scum in:Amy/Robert/Tanner
- There are no scum in: Ydrasse/Amy/IrcPooky has an anti-bussing meta, so he’s clear then according to Yin. So, Yin’s answer to me didn’t involve Infinty then?In post 1664, Morning Tweet wrote:According to Yin:In post 1279, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Updated^In post 1269, NorwegianboyEE wrote:According to Yin:
- There is scum in Ircher/Infinity/Nakata
- There is scum in Norwee/Pooky/Chara
- There is either 0 or maximum 1 scum in: Amy/Robert/Tanner
- There are 3 factions (Repeated twice)
- Yang is not an criminal.
- Pooky has voted for a criminal at some point. (Voted slots before post 981: Chara/Tanner/Morning Tweet/Ydrasse)
- There is scum in:Ircher/Infinity/Nakata
- There is scum in: Norwee/Pooky/Chara
- There is scum in Pooky's votes before post 981: Chara/Tanner/Morning Tweet/Ydrasse
- There is scum in Amy's votes before post 1289: Chara/Ircher/Nakata
- There is either 0 or maximum 1 scum in:Amy/Robert/Tanner
- There are no scum in: Ydrasse/Amy/Ircher
- There are 3 factions (Repeated twice)
- Yang is not an criminal.
Because I have voted Chara/Ircher, Nakata, Infinity and VOTE: Ircher.
However, I’m not sure how much of this we can reliably trust. Because
her
- There are 3 factions (Repeated twice)
- Yang is not an criminal.
Because I have voted Chara/
Ircher
, Nakata, Infinity and Ircher
.However, I’m not sure how much of this we can reliably trust. Because it seems hard to believe that we are presented an entire scumteam.
Because based off of this, it would be Nakata/Infinity/Chara?
And I still was not impressed with Ircher’s catch up. I really can’t see voting Chara over 3 objectively extremely scummier slots.
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Yin is also calling you scum - or at least strongly implying it, so I find it really strange that you’re just auto-accepting this without question.In post 1672, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata thinks the town should listen to what he’s saying considering Yin has cleared ircher and Nakata was already saying ircher was town who was set up!
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Yin is also calling you scum - or at least strongly implying it, so I find it really strange that you’re just auto-accepting this without question.In post 1672, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata thinks the town should listen to what he’s saying considering Yin has cleared ircher and Nakata was already saying ircher was town who was set up!
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Yin is also calling you scum - or at least strongly implying it, so I find it really strange that you’re just auto-accepting this without question.In post 1672, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata thinks the town should listen to what he’s saying considering Yin has cleared ircher and Nakata was already saying ircher was town who was set up!
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Yin is also calling you scum - or at least strongly implying it, so I find it really strange that you’re just auto-accepting this without question.In post 1672, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata thinks the town should listen to what he’s saying considering Yin has cleared ircher and Nakata was already saying ircher was town who was set up!
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Yin is also calling you scum - or at least strongly implying it, so I find it really strange that you’re just auto-accepting this without question.In post 1672, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata thinks the town should listen to what he’s saying considering Yin has cleared ircher and Nakata was already saying ircher was town who was set up!
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Is he at E-2 or E-1 now?In post 1675, Morning Tweet wrote:If Ircher is town I would immediately murder the people who magically knew he was all alongIn post 1672, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata thinks the town should listen to what he’s saying considering Yin has cleared ircher and Nakata was already saying ircher was town who was set up!
Wait, that's what you're scumreading me for i think. i dunno
VOTE: Ircher
I’m tinfoiling on the possibility that scum could possibly have a shapeshifting mechanic and maybe switch Ircher flip with a townie because his play still makes 0 sense as a vt
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Something is clearly not making sense but then I don’t know why Ircher just doesn’t blame his posting on something mech related. Like if he said, “my role pm forbids me to do _____”, like why doesn’t he just do that? He probably wouldn’t be the lead wagon if he just did that, so why doesn’t he?
Only thing I can think of if he’s actually town here, is if he got a role pm comparable to what I got in Boon uPick. I had a 1 shot invest but if I claimed or even hinted at it on D1 - I would die or something. That however did not impact my play at all but had I hypothetically gotten run up or something, I wouldn’t have been allowed to claim it to save myself.
Only thing I can think of if he’s actually town here, is if he got a role pm comparable to what I got in Boon uPick. I had a 1 shot invest but if I claimed or even hinted at it on D1 - I would die or something. That however did not impact my play at all but had I hypothetically gotten run up or something, I wouldn’t have been allowed to claim it to save myself.
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Sorry guys, I haven’t been online. Catching up, I really don’t believe Nakata actually sr Tweetie. Ircher hasn’t been townie, so there’s no reason whatsoever to sr her push on him. While I’m having extreme difficulty seeing Ircher town, I also wonder if some players insisting that he actually is, could possibly be a tmi on him, because outside of what Yin said - and considering that both Yin and Yang agree that Yang is a heroine and Yin is the complete opposite of that - I’m extremely sceptical.In post 1728, pj harvey dent wrote:
I think that perhaps what scum is doing - or possibly just Yin? - is the try to confuse the hell out of us - in order not to have an elim and now there’s not even a leading wagon, so eliming ant of Nakata/Ircher/Infinity is probably betterfor us than not eliming anyone.
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If I could hammer one of Nakata/Ircher/Infinity I would just to get us an elim. I’m worried that no elim is somehow mech proscum in this setup, or else scum would be hardpushing something - unless Nakata/Ircher/Infinity is the team, and that’s why? I think if any townie was getting run up, the day would already be over, because scum seems fine with the current situation.In post 1721, Morning Tweet wrote:Interesting that we aren't allowed to no eliminate. Also it's called sentencing, so I guess it technically might do something odd.
To the people who think we shouldn't kill Ircher... why exactly? I get that he might be town, I dont think it's an assured scum hit, but he's the most suspicious and I dont think his explanation of "I was just trolling" and "trying out a new playstyle" are enough to cover his gameplay. Norwe (i think) made a good point earlier that Ircher hasn't exactly been an advisory role to town even if you do take into account he intentionally wasn't scumhunting or forming reads.
I don't think we should slide off Ircher elsewhere today. Does anyone have a convincing argument for why we should?
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Do you seriously believe Nakata’s honestly thinking you and Norwee are a team? I find his push on you not believable.In post 1732, Morning Tweet wrote:I think Nakatas reads are made up looking, if my posts and what Chara/clidd said earlier about them are any indicator.In post 1547, Infinity 324 wrote:In post 1043, Infinity 324 wrote:-Nakata said that the people on his wagon were trying to get ydrasse to look bad after he flipped town, that seems like something scum would never do and seems made up
-Nakata's SR on amy had like no reasoning and it felt like he was trying to appease amy in their interactions which he wouldn't do as town
PEdit: I don't know, maybe he thought I was limbait anywayIn post 1068, Infinity 324 wrote:In post 897, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata is saying that Amy Dunne is telling a lie by saying that Nakata was hardpushing Robert M Hunter when Nakata has done no such thing!
Nakata would appreciate Amy Dunne not taking personal insult, Nakata has no problems with anyone in this playerlist, Nakata simply thinks that Amy Dunne is scum. Nakata doesn't know what Amy Dunne is expecting him to say when she says "tell me why I'm wrong on you". Nakata has already told you that he is town!@amy He's spending more time talking about how you shouldn't be upset that he's scumreading you and saying that he scumreads you rather than explaining his actual reasoning. The reasoning itself has a lot to do with you saying he was hardpushing Robert instead of just pushing Robert. It's all very fake.In post 898, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata does not believe Amy Dunne. Nakata thinks that if Amy Dunne is scum, that's exactly what she'd say, and that her attempts to push Nakata while not being accurate in her depiction of what Nakata has done this game show that her primary interest is in limming him and not sorting him, whereas if she were town Nakata thinks she'd be more interested in the sorting part.This is my nakata readIn post 1071, Infinity 324 wrote:Ydrassee <3 you're so much better at wording it than meIn post 1057, Ydrasse wrote:like you have a very ... strong reaction to being pushed on no offence but if you seemed viable at the time (and i think you were before you actually started interacting with him) i understand why a scum!satoru would go for it before realizing.
I get the feeling Nakata may have not played with Amy much before. I disagree that he tried to appease her though. I see that he let up on his scumread on her, although this is something i see happen very often to ppl's reads when amy takes a scumread as a personal insult. I'm not sure it's AI
i think you make a good point that his reasoning for the Amy read is very thin. It's pretty much as deep as his reasoning for mine. He definitely focused on how her reaction was unwarranted, ye, although Nakata hasn't really had stellar reasoning for any SR this game.
I could probably buy Nakata being confusing over Ircher overall. I think Nakata has a greater chance of believing what he's saying over Ircher at the very least, even if not by much. For example Nakata voting me and saying he thinks he's about to die so he needs to make sure everyone knows he scumreads me for almost no reason. Like it doesn't make sense but *mayyybe* he believes it. Ircher threatening to self hammer and actively not making reads this game is harder for me to believe that he thought it was protown
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I don’t think you’re scum and Yin is probably messing with us.In post 1748, Chara wrote:to be honest i am coming around to the town Pooky world, and it does have something to do with his post where he was like "yes i would never want to deal with that" when Amy was talking about how he wouldn't do what he did this game as scum.In post 1743, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I keep having visions of Pooky laughing at me in a scum PT somewhere, and Infinity is there too. The whole gang! All laughing and pointing at me.
yes i know. me too.
(and it also has to do with the post on me like i said earlier.)
do you scumread him or is this a paranoia read?
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+1In post 1784, clidd wrote:In other words, my mind is like:
Nakata elim -> Better for % of hitting scum;
Ircher elim -> Better for the game;
Probably bad for the game, no elim. I regret no hammering now because I wasn’t sure if Ircher was the best elim and wanted to think more about it but I didn’t expect the current situation to happen, I really think no elim is what scum was actually gunning for - that or that at least one if not more of the 3 lead wagons had scum in them.
So, either scum was in Ircher/Nakata/Infinity or it’s in scum’s interest for mech reasons to no elim, because it doesn’t make sense otherwise that scum would be okay with this. If one of the 3 top wagons was on town/or an elim wasn’t bad for scum, this situation wouldn’t be happening,
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Unless Norwee is right about scum wincon being no elim, then why have we still not gotten one if all 3 are town?In post 1813, Tanner wrote:i was thinking of a somewhat similar situation in a game i played a while ago. when the deadline plurality was approaching with s/t wagons, the game was insanely active. the next day, with t/t wagons, the game was really quiet approaching deadline. i know it's not necessarily the same situation, and this is a hectic game so god knows what is actually happening, but the fact that the game seems very resigned to infinity/nakata wagons is not giving me any good feelings about their yeets.
i still think the ircher/infinity/nakata pool is wrong, is there any other reason they are grouped together?
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If enough people are online in the next 13 hrs, maybe we can get an elim on Nakata/Ircher/Infinity. My current order of preference but I’ll hamner any one of them just to get an elim.In post 1852, Flea The Magician wrote:Genuinely going to better doing my own thing aren't I...
I am officially frustrated with this game.
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When I found that Nakata appeasement post to Skitter, I realized that part of it wasn’t scum indicative but Nakata also had extremely well thought out and nuanced reads in that game and his reasoning on sr Tweetie, similar to me and Ydrasse, plus the trs on both Ircher and Infinity sound overconfident - which wouldn’t be sus if there were actually good reasons to confidently tr either of them.In post 1856, NorwegianboyEE wrote:As was said, there is plurality elim in deadline Amy.
So it will probably be an lottery of which runner up wagon flips. Assuming it was more than one. (I remember Ircher being E-1 at least.)
He also said earlier that he sr Infinity but didn’t want to vote her, then later that Tweetie was setting her up for a miselim. Then he’s initially okay with Ircher but then says Tweetie’s scum pushing town!Ircher along with Norwee. Meanwhile Ircher has been doing nothing.
Wrt Infinity, I wouldn’t be opposed but it’s possible she’s just out of it like Pooky’s saying.
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You’ve changed your mind, you think I should vote Ircher?In post 1861, Chara wrote:this game has a weird vibe to it. i don't know if that means the majority is actually scum, though.
i don't know Ircher that well, but deciding to play this way doesn't seem totally out of character for him. i still think it could be a scum tactic though. but i'm not sure it's indicative of game weirdness as much as Ircher weirdness.
Infinity has definitely been weirdly low-energy, but she might just be legitimately low energy. Amy has felt normal, Tweetie's been normal, Tanner also feels normal, thoigh i admittedly have not been paying him too much attention yet AI-wise. and Pooky, and Ydrasse. Robert has been eh, i don't know him, but i don't really think he's been doing anything strange?
it's really just Ircher. Nakata also does seem to be making an effort not to be scumread, the "okay townreads unsatisfying scumread" thing is most of my read there, combined with the constructed reads thing and being too aware about how his progreasion is looking.
i also don't get what's frustrating Flea about the game besides Yin not being trustworthy. oh and Norwee has been pretty relatable this game and is probably one of my best townreads.
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In post 1868, Chara wrote:Amy: what made you more confident i'm town?
This.In post 1748, Chara wrote:to be honest i am coming around to the town Pooky world, and it does have something to do with his post where he was like "yes i would never want to deal with that" when Amy was talking about how he wouldn't do what he did this game as scum.In post 1743, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I keep having visions of Pooky laughing at me in a scum PT somewhere, and Infinity is there too. The whole gang! All laughing and pointing at me.
yes i know. me too.
(and it also has to do with the post on me like i said earlier.)
do you scumread him or is this a paranoia read?
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Can you tell me why there better than Ircher? I keep going back and forth on it. I think Nakata is scummier but if Ircher flips scum, then we have proof Yin is lying to us but I could do either.In post 1872, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Amy if you vote Nakata we can put them to E1 right now.
Hectic said we have plurality lim, so does that even matter?
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Unless things change on D2, my role pm says this is bs.In post 1880, Tanner wrote:@norwee - my role is not anti-town, so it's either:
(1) being a criminal doesn't have anything to do with a person's alignment and there's another hidden metric to see if someone is a criminal or not.
(2) inspired by pooky - the "criminals" are actually the town, this game is 4 town vs 9 scum, ??? hectic game ??? (i don't think this is likely but it's a thought)
(3) the answers yin gives us are bullshit.
i thought about trying to get yin to contradict himself somewhere to see if it's (3), but since it's obviously too close to end of day, that's gonna have to wait. my personal guess is that it's (1), since i doubt hectic would introduce this whole mechanic for it to just do literally nothing?
#2, I mean. #3 is probably right though.
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In post 1885, Ydrasse wrote:this is the least productive thing you could be doingIn post 1881, Flea The Magician wrote:VOTE: Tanner
Quickest and probably best way to find out at this point.
Flea can join Nakata in the pointless votes club.In post 1887, Ydrasse wrote:like we have three wagons and deadlines almost here no ones voting tanner lmfao
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This post makes me unsure.In post 1773, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Infinity's just generally been lower energy for a while now :/
I hope she feels better soon!
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What “reflections”? How is he townie? He hasn’t done anything?In post 1896, Ydrasse wrote:ircher > i think has some reflections of towny mindset
nakata > i couldn’t immediately recall everything in my case on him; however this doesn’t mean he’s town either which is why nakata over ircher
Infinty just seems to be all over the place. Is it scum indicative for her to be like that?
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True. I guess I could vote her?In post 1900, Ydrasse wrote:people don’t stop having alignments when they’re low energy lol
infinity hasn’t posted as much but the posts she made arent good
Is what we’re seeing here typical of her scumplay? I’ve only had experience with scum!Infinity one time.
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Well, that’s what’s bothering me about Nakata, his reads are horrible. Norwee, Tweetie are so obviously townie and yet, he has them as his top 2 srs.In post 1912, Ydrasse wrote:in a shock no one expected my strongest tr is norwee
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I’m not voting today outside of Infinity/Nakata/Ircher. Absolutely everyone else is townier.In post 1917, Ydrasse wrote:i refuse to accept npctesting as a reason i need to hear why you think tanner is scum
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She’s not wrong though because an Ircher scum flip would prove Yin is lying. Idk, I’m good with any of the three.In post 1925, clidd wrote:This post, for example ^In post 1736, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm not really in favor of it, but the intent to hammer thing and the lack of solving are probably somewhat scummy. His elim might give us info too.
My main concern with Infinity is that she seems to be unhappy to be in this game. I don’t know how she feels about playing scum but I’m just picking up this sense that she’s not happy in this game. Ironically Tanner said that about me but I was just exhausted from being extremely confused overgamed but I’m just sensing unhappiness.
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And what is the connection with Tanner? He doesn’t seem scummy to me, so I really don’t understand what you’re seeing?In post 1924, Flea The Magician wrote:The game and mechanics are centered around Yin and Yang.In post 1917, Ydrasse wrote:i refuse to accept npctesting as a reason i need to hear why you think tanner is scum
There is potential for Yin to be spewing BS, but I have noticed a pattern around their responses. Patterns which are consistent.
Frankly i've already put too much effort into this game so now I'm lazy playing.
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In post 1930, Amy Dunne wrote:She’s not wrong though because an Ircher scum flip would prove Yin is lying. Idk, I’m good with any of the three.In post 1925, clidd wrote:This post, for example ^In post 1736, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm not really in favor of it, but the intent to hammer thing and the lack of solving are probably somewhat scummy. His elim might give us info too.
My main concern with Infinity is that she seems to be unhappy to be in this game. I don’t know how she feels about playing scum but I’m just picking up this sense that she’s not happy in this game. Ironically Tanner said that about me but I was just exhausted from being extremely overgamed but I’m just sensing unhappiness.
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In post 494, clidd wrote:Alternatively, he could just be scum who made a simple mistake and decided to avoid/abandon the game (or had some outside interference), but that's not a satisfactory explanation given the way he navigated the suspicion on you.
What do people think about this?In post 495, Ircher wrote:Just remember: scum aren't perfect. They try, but they fail as well.
This was Clidd referencing Robert and Ircher’s reaction to that?
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Actually probably NAI.In post 1946, Amy Dunne wrote:In post 494, clidd wrote:Alternatively, he could just be scum who made a simple mistake and decided to avoid/abandon the game (or had some outside interference), but that's not a satisfactory explanation given the way he navigated the suspicion on you.What do people think about this?In post 495, Ircher wrote:Just remember: scum aren't perfect. They try, but they fail as well.
This was Clidd referencing Robert and Ircher’s reaction to that?
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I’m torn between Ircher doing nothing townie and Nakata having terrible reads that don’t ping believable to me. I think Ircher isn’t going to get more readable and I’m trying to decipher is Nakata could be this bad as town.In post 1859, Hectic wrote:
I think Infinty is probably the worst option of the three because she is the most likely to become more readable tomorrow, where as I don’t see that happening with either Ircher or Nakata but all of the arguments I’m seeing for scum!Infinity could just as easily be applied to Ircher, no?
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Because I don’t see either Ircher or Nakata doing anything differently but she might.In post 1961, Ydrasse wrote:if she’s not doing anything TODAYSHE ISNT GOING TO DO IT TOMORROW
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VOTE: InfinityIn post 1958, Ydrasse wrote:90%
i have never seen infinity act like this even when shes pushed or pressured she still responds and solves and does things and i don’t think she would roll over willingly and die if she was town
if she gets to shoot after she dies or something give me the fucking bullet if it means people stop saying she’s towny
I just hope you’re right.
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I’m not sure I necessarily agree with this but I’m okay with you not being the lim today. This is probably the first post I’ve seen from you so far that looks like you’re actually doing something.In post 1971, Ircher wrote:Fae's more of a wait to read kind of read. I think fae was okay at first, but faer recent divergence to Tanner is a bit suspicious.In post 1897, Ydrasse wrote:...do people have reads on flea?
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My God Ircher, why did you literally wait until very recently to be townie? You were thisclose to being today’s elim.In post 1973, Ircher wrote:We don't need one, true, but it's probably better to have one from an information standpoint. (Granted, I'm not voting yet...)In post 1914, Flea The Magician wrote:Flash wagons can happen, i've already stated my PoE, we don't need a majority by deadline, it doesn't make much difference.
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So current lim preferences for me is Infinity > Nakata >>> Myself. I think Ydrasse has given some good points with regards to Infinity like the mutedness, and well, I've already explained my stance on Nakata.
VOTE: Infinity
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It’s not just the ellitelling on itself, she’s really not trying in this game, so she’s either scum or struggling town but her ellitelling so close to deadline is not a good look.In post 1989, clidd wrote:Still, I'll wait for the flip. Absence is tightly incriminating, but not a definitive proof for me.
Ellitelling by itself is nai but not when it’s this close to deadline. If you’re onsite, shouldn’t your #1 priority be in a game that’s thisclose to deadline?
I miss deadlines all the time but rarely when I’m onsite. Sometimes I can be focusing my energy elsewhere and the thread gets locked before I have a chance to post but that’s different because you have no way of knowing when that could happen but to be ellitelling when you’re so close to deadline, shows you either don’t care or are avoiding the game.
If you’ve already been super obviously townie, then the above probably doesn’t apply but after confirming what Ydrasse posted, the low energy argument doesn’t hold any water.
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Read my above post and confirm what Ydrasse posted (iow, literally check it out yourself). She’s not low energy unless it’s just this game. Once I checked the ellitells for myself, the low energy argument got smashed to bits.In post 1993, Chara wrote:i don't have a lot of faith in the ellitell. i used to subscribe to it and ended up being wrong a lot. it really depends on the player. would Inf just avoid her games as scum? i know she's been low-energy but that doesn't feel like the smoking gun it's been presented as to me.
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He could still be scum but idk why he suddenly started doing stuff but at least he’s not avoiding the game. If you just read Ydrasse’s post telling you she’s ellitelling, it probably won’t convince you unless you actually check it out for yourself. If she’s “low energy” then it’s only for this game.In post 1998, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I mean let’s not give Ircher so much credit here.
If Ircher was scum with an scum partner that was completely frozen would you not start buzzing at that point?
But yeah, defo Infinity today based on this.
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I can’t really comment without being at risk of violating some rule. That’s why I say, check it out for yourself.In post 2000, Chara wrote:this feels like skirting the line to me.In post 1997, Amy Dunne wrote:Read my above post and confirm what Ydrasse posted (iow, literally check it out yourself). She’s not low energy unless it’s just this game. Once I checked the ellitells for myself, the low energy argument got smashed to bits.In post 1993, Chara wrote:i don't have a lot of faith in the ellitell. i used to subscribe to it and ended up being wrong a lot. it really depends on the player. would Inf just avoid her games as scum? i know she's been low-energy but that doesn't feel like the smoking gun it's been presented as to me.
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Possibilities:
A) she’s struggling town who is frustrated with this game.
B) she’s floundering scum who doesn’t know what to do
C) Either/or, she’s ellitelling right near deadline and not posting which doesn’t scream protown.
If A) say “sorry guys I’m really lost here what can I do?” but not posting at all, looks like she’s just avoiding the game.
If I’m struggling town, I at least try to post something. I don’t avoid the game unless I’m literally offsite.
A) she’s struggling town who is frustrated with this game.
B) she’s floundering scum who doesn’t know what to do
C) Either/or, she’s ellitelling right near deadline and not posting which doesn’t scream protown.
If A) say “sorry guys I’m really lost here what can I do?” but not posting at all, looks like she’s just avoiding the game.
If I’m struggling town, I at least try to post something. I don’t avoid the game unless I’m literally offsite.
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I agree with you Chara that by itself isn’t necessarily damning but in connection with everything else and after confirming what Ydrasse said, I find the “low energy” argument hard to fathom.
I wouldn’t hate a Nakata lim either but I just find it very hard to still think she’s town when I checked it out.
I wouldn’t hate a Nakata lim either but I just find it very hard to still think she’s town when I checked it out.
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Did you ever anticipate what wound up happening in Royalty? Hectic is a madman.In post 2008, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:im fine with the infy elim but im not moving my vote in case my bullshit nonsense theory is right
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Hmmm . . . that’s definitely possible. He suddenly starts being townie when momentum switches to Infinity.In post 1998, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I mean let’s not give Ircher so much credit here.
If Ircher was scum with an scum partner that was completely frozen would you not start buzzing at that point?
But yeah, defo Infinity today based on this.
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In post 2015, Ydrasse wrote:Infinity isIn post 2013, Flea The Magician wrote:This is a BS tell on all levels, just saying.In post 1979, Ydrasse wrote:infinity is ellitelling btw ((((:
There's a reason you never seen when I'm online.actively postingin other games and ignoring this one entirely despite it being deadline and her being the main wagon
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I think you’re fun and I think that’s a good plan. I’m just not sure how we’d go about coordinating our questions?In post 2017, Flea The Magician wrote:I have put in other efforts around the mech work. the questions Yin hasn't answered has been around 1 or 2 players.In post 1999, Chara wrote:i agree Yin and Yang probably do something but i really don't think it's solving the game for us. also it's not our fault you put a lot of effort into it.In post 1924, Flea The Magician wrote:The game and mechanics are centered around Yin and Yang.In post 1917, Ydrasse wrote:i refuse to accept npctesting as a reason i need to hear why you think tanner is scum
There is potential for Yin to be spewing BS, but I have noticed a pattern around their responses. Patterns which are consistent.
Frankly i've already put too much effort into this game so now I'm lazy playing.
Tanner used himself in a test so he could have a conftown in his eyes to test against and see if Yin could be followed, he didn't catch himself out. your suslist isn't even from Yin, it's from other players asking questions that Yin's happened to answer, while he's ignored other groupings.
i think if anything the pattern of what Yin's answered and what he's ignored is more significant.
I expect Tanner would have made a bigger deal from Yin basically scumclaiming him.
My sus list is every player that has been in a response from yin, and number of times they've been asked about, which is for my own methods. The grouplist is the one to worry about.
Like I said from the start, we could've coordinated questions to try and work this out, but nooooooooooo fleas a funkiller.
Not like I've lost games due to mechanics being ignored in the past at all...
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Yeah, I think a wedding them connotes dancing.In post 2018, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:well not exactly but I knew there was going to be dancing involved at some point >.>In post 2011, Amy Dunne wrote:Did you ever anticipate what wound up happening in Royalty? Hectic is a madman.In post 2008, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:im fine with the infy elim but im not moving my vote in case my bullshit nonsense theory is right
SS 1- town thought they were scum until d2.
SS 2 - everyone thought they had to communicate with severely restricted animal noises until they didn’t.
SS 3 - we probably had one of the largest scumteam in ratio to town ever and 2/3 were revealed.
SS4 - ???
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I figured it would probably be either Norwee or Ydrasse is scum could NK. So no wonder Ircher was adting that way.
So, I don’t know what criminal/non-criminal are exactly within the context of this game but I think it’s pretty damned obvious now that me/Ydrasse are town and Ircher is confirmed town.
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Pooky still town based on this as well as my earlier reasoning.
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In post 904, Hectic wrote:
In post 1859, Hectic wrote:
Tanner had been constistently voting Infinity.In post 2094, Hectic wrote:
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This post looks SvT to me and not distancing.In post 406, Infinity 324 wrote:VOTE: tweet
She's doing more trying to solve yin/yang than scumhunting, which I don't think benefits us. Others may be guilty of it too, but I expect tweet to have insightful scumhunting thoughts.
She says I'm town which is silly cause I've barely been playing.
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Possible SvT on Chara?In post 216, Infinity 324 wrote:I've faked a "someone else carry me" mindset before as scum I think? It doesn't seem too hard if you feel not confident in your ability to fake scumhunt
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In post 413, Infinity 324 wrote:Robert is scummy too
In post 440, Infinity 324 wrote:Don't trust my SR on robert
In post 561, Infinity 324 wrote:Because I don't really see a reason for scum!him to make the push on datisi. I still don't understand why he wanted to townread datisi when he didn't know who datisi was, but it's enough for me to townread him for now.
This back and forth flipflopping on Robert seems weird. I’m not convincing this is SvS.In post 740, Infinity 324 wrote:Robert is pretty obvtown
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This post makes me think that scum would probably only push Ircher to save Infinity. I think scum weren’t likely on his wagon perhaps saw him as easy later miselimbait?In post 1546, Infinity 324 wrote:I don't see how my ircher read doesn't add up? The narrative of say he's gonna play this game differently --> plays differently by doing nothing still makes zero sense to me as scum, even if he doesn't want to play scum he can at least give a couple reads or something.
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In the sense they all sound anti-partnery and I obviously would include myself in that.In post 2222, Amy Dunne wrote:What I got from Infinity ISO is that Ydrasse, Pooky, Clidd, Tweetie are all town.
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In post 2222, Amy Dunne wrote:What I got from Infinity ISO is that Ydrasse, Pooky, Clidd, Tweetie are all town.
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Are there any Mafia in Flea, Robert? Are there any Mafia in Chara/Tanner?
Is Nakata Mafia or town?
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TyIn post 2226, Flea The Magician wrote:You only get 1 in 24 hours, and it seems that Yin dislikes a 2p question, you're better asking in 3s.
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Are there any Mafia in Flea, Robert?
Are there any Mafia in Chara/Tanner?
Is Nakata Mafia or town?
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We already know Ircher is confitown, so why would I even bother to include him?In post 2228, Flea The Magician wrote:Amy thats still 4 question, and you have have answers they won't answer,
Is there Mafia in Flea, Robert and Ircher
Is there Mafia is Flea, Ydrasse and Amy
Is there Mafia in Robert, Flea and Ircher
Those are probably your best bets. The Nakta question won't be answered.
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In post 2233, Yang wrote:How come Yin is getting so many more questions? So hurtful.
This might answer your question.In post 2095, Yang wrote:Why did you kill Infinity right after I explained how sweet and special she is?
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In post 2222, Amy Dunne wrote:What I got from Infinity ISO is that Ydrasse, Pooky, Clidd, Tweetie are all town.
@RobertIn post 2223, Amy Dunne wrote:In the sense they all sound anti-partnery and I obviously would include myself in that.In post 2222, Amy Dunne wrote:What I got from Infinity ISO is that Ydrasse, Pooky, Clidd, Tweetie are all town.
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In post 2224, Amy Dunne wrote:
Yin, have I voted a criminal who is still alive in the game?
Yes you have.
Well other than Infinity, I voted
, how many Mafia in Nakata/Chara?
Ftr, I don’t sr Chara and don’t think Infinity ISO clears Nakata.
I could obviously be wrong but I lean to Nakata > Chara.
Yin, have I voted a criminal who is still alive in the game?
Yes you have.
Well other than Infinity, I voted
Ircher
, Nakata and Chara. Yin
Ftr, I don’t sr Chara and don’t think Infinity ISO clears Nakata.
I could obviously be wrong but I lean to Nakata > Chara.
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I believe Robert’s claim but I also don’t want him to shoot Ydrasse/Pooky/Tanner.In post 2358, Morning Tweet wrote:I think that might be it for the criminal questions, will check it later tonignt
Why do the wrong people always wind up getting vig? Like Sam in Happy Face, shot obvtown!Romance. :/
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Yin also said that Pooky voted a criminal and since Pooky has an antibussing meta, would make him town.In post 2361, Morning Tweet wrote:With no assumptions on Infinity and Norwe..
Infinity and Norwe were not both criminals.
Tanner is acriminal.
Chara is acriminal.
Amy, Robert, Ircher, and Ydrasse arenot criminals.
One or two of Flea/clidd/Tweet/Pooky/Nakata are acriminal.
One or more of Flea/Nakata/Pooky are acriminal.
Zero or two, but not one, of Morning/clidd/Pooky are acriminal.
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Assuming Infinity was a criminal and Norwe was not..
Infinity was acriminal.
Tanner is acriminal.
Chara is acriminal.
Norwe was not acriminal.
Amy, Robert, Ircher, and Ydrasse arenot criminals.
One of Flea/Nakata is acriminal.
Morning, clidd, and Pooky arenot criminals.
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+1In post 2364, Morning Tweet wrote:I really don't buy that town!Robert shoots Tanner. I buy you doing it in his shoes, but i don't really see him doing it so much, ya know? Doesn't make him town yet though cause could buy it from scum tooIn post 2272, Ydrasse wrote:okay well then why didn't you just... shoot him. that's what i don't getIn post 2268, Robert M Hunter wrote:He's one relentless person. Every time I log on, I come across his dumb conspiracies, eyeroll and force myself to postIn post 2263, Ydrasse wrote:you do realize that tanner is (1) person in this town right
if he's THAT bad to you, you are voting him, you want him dead, you had that power and just... didn't?
like if you're town you sitting there should go "huh, this person is pushing me a lot and they're wrong, they seem like a good shot"
idk if that's just how i would play it but it makes a lot more sense than holding a shot when you're suspectedDo you actually think someone calling you not a terrible player is a scumtell? How is that even a lie, that's a subjective opinionIn post 2274, Robert M Hunter wrote:OK, now I know you're scum,In post 2269, Ydrasse wrote:in team mafia my partner was being pushed and claimed like, n-1 vig when ran up so this is like "okay lol"In post 2266, Ircher wrote:I can kind of buy town!Robert doing this despite being suboptimal, but I'm not sure that outweighs the likelihood of scum!Robert using the claim to buy time.
it's the perfect claim to buy yourself more time as mafia because like, in theory it's provable but i feel like 9/10 times it's going to come from mafia trying to eek themselves out of the elim and go for townfirst you lie by saying I'm not a terrible playerand now you're hot under the collar because there's nothing scum hates more than a vig. Except maybe a tracker.Well that's at least more believable. Naturally, scum will push for you to be eliminated if you are not a part of their faction here. I too am a bit wary of this, especially considering there is seemingly no reason to not just tell you who to shoot and have you confirmed town on the next day.In post 2289, Robert M Hunter wrote:The real point I'm making is that Ydrasse is scum because she wants the vig dead.
I'm a bit skeptical that Robert is scum who thought of hyper-fixating on Ydrasse as a performative AtE kinda thing... you might call it ridiculous but i can see the rationale there.That too is also fair though, reaffirming that you're vig over and over again is unecessary. I understand exactly why you think it sounds fakeIn post 2301, Ydrasse wrote:maybe a good way to talk about robert's play rn is that it feels like a lot of bravado to try and like, re-affirm he really is the vig and i WILL be sniped from 1000 yards tonight no doubts
I actually kinda think he's doing it because it plays into how he scumreads you though. He finds your reaction scummy, soo I think he's doing it because lashing out at the ppl pushing him is how he makes reads....... maybe? Am I overthinking? It does come off that way to me. Rather than reaffirming he's vig, I think he's just reaffirming he wants to kill you. Which i get is similar but maybe it's to get a reaction out of you, ey?This was my snap reaction i had earlier. A fair enough take. Tricky though because this is obviously what i'd react with as scum tooIn post 2305, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i believe its possible that robert is a one shot vig but i don't really want him to shoot datisi or ydra so im fine with yeeting himTo be honest, in your shoes, I'd be worried about the backlash i'd get from the rest of the game after shooting a townie. I also think it's likely you weren't thinking much about how the shot proves you, and rather how it needs to hit scum... so I can see itIn post 2306, Robert M Hunter wrote:I wasn't the most suspected, I had three votes at the most.
I did not want to hit a townie, is that hard to understand? My handle of the game was too nebulous for me to kill the right player, I'm not going to kill a townie to clear myself, that's counter productive and helps no one. Though I can see why scum-you would want me to do that.
But I'll shoot you tonight and hit scum.In post 2307, Robert M Hunter wrote:I thought I should use my power on anyone just to prove myself?In post 2305, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i believe its possible that robert is a one shot vig but i don't really want him to shoot datisi or ydra so im fine with yeeting himYou should use your power on the agreed-upon most scummy player by the end of today
....(other than you). That way, everyone's happy! Except scum hopefully
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I don’t know about Ircher but I am, in fact I’m ambidextrous.In post 2395, Yang wrote:Ircher is probably left-handed
Anyway, I’m mindmelding with Tweetie, Chara and Pooky.
I think Robert probably does have a vig and I’m guessing possibly a novice. Novice vigs can’t shoot on D1. So, I think if Robert is actually willing to be leashed and shoot who we want, her plan is valid.
However, if he’s hellbent on shooting a consensus tr, then his vig shot - regardless of alignment becomes a negative utility, so hopefully Robert sees reason here and stops being so damned omgussy.
I still think Nakata looks the worst and if you re-ISO Infinty, there is a humongous difference between her positioning wrt to Ircher and Nakata.
With Ircher, she wasn’t keen on eliming him but was “okay” with it but with Nakata otoh, she was really passionate about it, Now considering we were not limming yesterday outside of Infinty/Nakata/Ircher, Infinity pushing him so hard when compared with Ircher looks like possible distancing to me.
She obviously didn’t want to 1v1 with Ircher unless Nakata was off the table as well as her conviction he was scum, sounds possibly like a tmi to me. And why I think Nakata looks worse than Robert is because Robert has been omgussy in general but Nakata was only omgussy to Tweetie, me and Ydrasse but very suspiciously NOT Infinity.
I can’t help wondering if Nakata threw in a pointless Tweetie vote, with the plan to push her after Ircher flipped town and possibly derail Infinity wagon. I need to check but iirc, I think that att Nakata last posted, Ircher looked like the successful wagon and not Infinity.
Also while the appeasement argument doesn’t hold water based on him doing the same thing to Skitter in Forest Fire, he made detailed thought provoking nuanced posts in that game as compared to here. I just don’t believe his sr of Tweetie or me or Ydrasse sr were genuine but I’m willing to wait to see if he changes my mind or not when he finally does post.
Wrt to Robert, his jump on Pooky for defending Ydrasse perplexes me more than anything. So, I currently think Nakata probably has more scum equity than Robert. Based off of Infinity ISO, i didn’t necessarily get SvS from her/Robert but I also didn’t get like for example with Pooky, clear anti-partnery vibes.
Tweetie is super obvtown here, she played extremely differently in Royalty. Tweetie is town, regardless of what Robert is.
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In post 2398, Yang wrote:This is townie of Ircher because someone disliking you townreading them puts you over a barrel if the townread isn't 100% confident. Sharing an emotional reaction rather than delving into the words to describe the layers of WIFOM of scum!Flea responding this way versus town!Flea disappointing him this way comes from a townish perspective.In post 247, Ircher wrote:In post 242, Flea The Magician wrote:I do not like this o.oIn post 213, Ircher wrote:Flea is Flea. Fae are town.In post 495, Ircher wrote:Just remember: scum aren't perfect. They try, but they fail as well.There is a pattern I've noticed where players talk about some weakness they have or something, then later shift away from it, but it's in a way you can tell isn't deliberate. This looks like town because Ircher later had more and more impressions to share, but they were just because he happened to have more thoughts. There's a lack of awareness of Ircher's overall presentation.In post 700, Ircher wrote:Not really. I'm trying something a bit different this game; a bit more of an advisory role so to speak.In post 672, clidd wrote:Ircher, do you have any takes on the players so far?
I don't remember you expressing your impressions yet.This is a very towny thing to ask, it genuinely can produce material that could go different ways. Ircher is pretty clearly unaware of Robert's alignment, which would indicate Ircher is town.In post 732, Ircher wrote:@Robert: You spent a lot of posts catching up to say very little of substance. Who of the people pushing you do you think is scum?
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Well, rn I’m the most sus on Nakata.In post 2407, Chara wrote:@Amy: who would you want Robert to shoot, hypothetically?
re his Pooky read: do you think it was in response to the Ydrasse thing? it didn't seem related to me. i don't know if i actually disagree with the pov on Pooky there, though i have reasons to think he's still town. i could see where he's coming from on Pooky but i don't think it's impossible scum would take notice of the behavior in that way either.
@Robert - do you mind linking some previous (fully completed) games? preferably scum and town if you have them.
I clicked on that Robert link and similarly to Happy Face, he’s relatively pretty chill as scum. His being so easily rattled could possibly be town indicative?
Infinity ISO is anti-partnery for Pooky.
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I really don’t see Pooky saying this to a buddy, do you?
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I have no idea but he didn’t threaten anyone D1 with the vig shot, so that’s why I think it’s possible. Well maybe but it also happened after Pooky said he might vote him to save Ydra/Tanner, so true it might have had nothing to do with it.In post 2413, Ircher wrote:Wouldn't Robert claim novice if this was the case?In post 2404, Amy Dunne wrote:I think Robert probably does have a vig and I’m guessing possibly a novice. Novice vigs can’t shoot on D1. So, I think if Robert is actually willing to be leashed and shoot who we want, her plan is valid.That's not what he said when he elaborated on his read; it appeared independent of his Ydrasse read.In post 2404, Amy Dunne wrote:Wrt to Robert, his jump on Pooky for defending Ydrasse perplexes me more than anything.
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His posts are different in Forest Fire - very detailed and nuanced. It’s possible you could be right but I lean the opposite but I’m not going to speculate more on this until we actually see his posting today but yeah, I doubt they’re buddies based off how okay Nakata was with limming him yesterday.In post 2414, Ircher wrote:One of {Nakata, Robert} is scum's designated misfade this game. I don't think both are scum based on game state. Personally, I lean towards Nakata town, Robert scum, but I could be wrong.
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What I found interesting about Flea’s posting yesterday, was that fae vanity voted Tanner for the longest time and only after Infinity wagon gained momentum, did fae suddenly switch to Nakata. There was a real window of opportunity where Nakata could have actually been the lim BEFORE Infinity wagon gained unstoppable momentum but at the point fae switched to Nakata, that wagon was clearly not happening.In post 2416, Morning Tweet wrote:I mean, how often do you see me hardpush a scumreadIn post 2380, Tanner wrote:i can understand tweetie's conviction to do the mechanically OpTiMaL thing. once upon a time, i tried to do a similar thing in a micro blitz, then luca yelled at me and we yeeted scum. but my issue is that... tweetie is posting so much about giving robert another night, but she's doing effectively nothing to say who she *does* want to see die today and who she wants robert leashed on tonight. which kind of makes it seem... performative i guess? and knowing that i've read that tweetie's scumplay is often making those fancy wallposts and not really rocking the boat, i am kinda *hmm* about her now.
I think the criminal stuff is a good example of something lengthy and performative i might do. But I'd also be very conscious of how useless the criminal stuff is so it'd be very obvious if someone criticized me for that. Unsure. I'm doing the criminal stuff because it's fun for the record
But as for doing pushes other than Robert -- let's say Robert is town, we can get an innocent on Robert and kill both of Nakata/Flea in one day. That's why it's so appealing for me to let him live a day. And the worst thing that happens is we kill a PoE player today, and Robert is guiltied tomorrow.
I understand the rationale behind his claim being hard for people to swallow. I have seen survivalistic claims, and believe it or not I don't usually react like this as far as I remember because I usually find em more obvious. I won't be terribly surprised if he flips scum but I cannot say it will surprise me if he's town, either.
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Pooky is skeptical he won’t shoot town is how I read it, I didn’t read it as Pooky 100% wants him dead.In post 2417, Morning Tweet wrote:Ah, my apologies, I shouldn't have taken that personally. I've been made fun of for it in the past and I guess it just makes me sad. Sorry again abt that, and ty for clarifyingIn post 2381, Ydrasse wrote:@mt sorry, i was very cranky and frustrated when i replied that post as i woke up in the middle of the night, the cute talking thing wasn’t like, mocking you specifically/how you type. it really does feel like though that despite everyone else being okay with robert dying... after the claim no one really is? it’s really just... frustrating. that’s the best word i have to describe it, but i’m genuinely not upset with you or anyone on a personal level, just a game one. i’m sorry again. <3
I'm just not sure I agree people aren't okay with Robert dying though, even ppl like Pooky who think the claim might be real still want him dead anyway. I myself am fine to let him die if he remains shooting you.
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I guess I’m wrong then.In post 2419, Morning Tweet wrote:Fair enough, I can see it being out of place. You make a fair point that the point of the first game was to trick ppl into thinking they had actual werewolf teams in like, a multiball setup.In post 2383, Ydrasse wrote:re setup: there’s nothing to say a silent star game cant have a pr but looking at the last two, it feels unlikely this one does as well. the games are based around mechanical things going on and not the individual’s role (i think the first one having roles made sense with the setup/conceit of the game). so far, we have yin and yang and a bomb. we already have killing power added into the game beyond a nightkill and i don’t think a random vig is thrown in there to... what, keep us off evens when if we get on evens in the first place it’s from the results of our day play?
pedit: He would have claimed novice (today).
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That’s what I’m saying, I think Pooky only wants to kill him if he is hellbent on shooting consensus town.In post 2424, Morning Tweet wrote:It's so annoying to read a player who conventionally hits just about every aspect of what can possibly be scummy (Copious AtE, only appears when talked about, only pushes who is being pushed, softs claim early without elaboration, claims something that begs for one more night but didnt use it previous night, produces little game advancing content, focuses on Yin/Yang but doesnt know if they're helpful??)In post 2388, Chara wrote:Ydrasse: what do you think of Tweetie's 2364 specifically? i keep reading it my first thought was i feel like Tweetie is being really charitable to Robert's play and reading into it in a way that feels informed. one thing i'm fairly sure of is it's not a hypothetical scum Tweetie defending her scum partner, but i wouldn't rule out anything else just based on that.
i am kind of with Robert that i find some aspects of Tweetie's play lacking from her towngame, there's a certain emotional honesty that i associate with Tweetie and this post is pretty much what i was looking for in terms of "this is how town Tweetie digs into her townreads". i don't know if scum Tweet can do this too and this is partially why i'd really like to see her talk about her read on me more in depth.
but basically i've definitely felt this way before, recently in fact, with the really scummy player who you can still kind of see the logic of so you go all in trying to figure it out and come out with a townread.
actually anyone can weigh in i'm curious about thoughts on this in general, this ended up being more about Tweet than about Robert.
and then i go "Yeah, but he's probably just built different"
and then the entire game's like "WTF"
and im like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ what can i say
Which is an oddly specific scenario but i swear it's happened more than once
To elaborate, it's like. There's a super obvious explanation and then there's the other one I can also see. FOR EXAMPLE:
Robert repeatedly says he is going to shoot Ydrasse, thereby reaffirming he is vig over and over. Typically, this comes across as fake and a kind of overcompensation for the fakeclaim. But i can ALSO see a possibility where it ties in to how Robert said that he gets reads through the people pushing him, and him saying he is going to shoot Ydrasse over and over is actually because he's extremely sure she's scum and in a way he's taunting her / baiting reactions. So instead of reaffirming he's vig over and over which would be fakeclaim motivated, he's actually just reaffirming he's going to shoot Ydrasse over and over which has some kind of different motivation. Which is an infinitely more complicated answer, so via occams razor i should probably be throwing it out but i dont for some reason
There's the best insight i can provide. If Robert is in fact town and ppl come at me saying I was informed of that and there's no way anyone could have read his play so charitably, then there's your answer
pedit: i believe Pooky was saying "Yeah, that's nice and all, but do you really think he's going to let us leash him?"
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Flea knew we weren’t yeeting Tanner, so if fae really wanted Nakata limmed that badly, why waste a votepark on Tanner? I’m just saying is if fae really wanted Nakata limmed, why stay on Tanner for as long as fae did?In post 2428, Morning Tweet wrote:Could have been a mistake by Flea. Or perhaps you're right and it's some sort of distance play. Either way I'm more favourable to Flea being scum here thus far, and I'd really like to engage with faer but i have mostly been unsuccessful so far this game getting much going gamesolvey-wise with Flea.In post 2422, Amy Dunne wrote:What I found interesting about Flea’s posting yesterday, was that fae vanity voted Tanner for the longest time and only after Infinity wagon gained momentum, did fae suddenly switch to Nakata. There was a real window of opportunity where Nakata could have actually been the lim BEFORE Infinity wagon gained unstoppable momentum but at the point fae switched to Nakata, that wagon was clearly not happening.
The hyperfixation on the mechanics without knowing to trust them, to the point of sacrificing Tanner is hard for me to swallow. Maybe the best part of faer play is getting frustrated we're not listening to them.....? I'm not even sure why fae find it frustrating that we aren't solving the criminals faster -- it's not like we know it's going to be helpful. It's just a weird thing to devote 100% of your play to.
Granted, I spend a lot of time on it because i find it fun! But I'm not sure Flea is having much fun
Fae was clearly opposed to Ircher wagon but waited to switch faer vote to Nakata when it pretty much didn’t matter. All I know is fae’s vote like Nakata’s were basically pointless and today fae’s back again to voting Tanner, which makes no sense because he was consistently voting Infinity.
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He generally doesn’t try to distance his buddies from what I’ve observed but yeah, I think he’s pretty obviously town here.In post 2433, Chara wrote:i think Pooky could say this as scum, i don't think he is here, though.In post 2415, Amy Dunne wrote:I really don’t see Pooky saying this to a buddy, do you?
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Could be?In post 2436, Chara wrote:Flea/Nakata/Infinity scum?In post 2422, Amy Dunne wrote:What I found interesting about Flea’s posting yesterday, was that fae vanity voted Tanner for the longest time and only after Infinity wagon gained momentum, did fae suddenly switch to Nakata. There was a real window of opportunity where Nakata could have actually been the lim BEFORE Infinity wagon gained unstoppable momentum but at the point fae switched to Nakata, that wagon was clearly not happening.
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I don’t know anyone here irl but online, yes.In post 2453, Robert M Hunter wrote:I feel like all the players in this game know each other in real life, and I'm the outsider.
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She and Norwee were instrumental in getting Infinity limmed.In post 2455, Robert M Hunter wrote:I'm adding Chara to the town list, no scum their right mind would dust off my old games to double check that I'm limbait. It's so bad, if I'm ever scum again I'm going to have to beg the other wolves to gang up on me and lim me day 1
No one wants to consider Ydrasse being a criminal for some reason. Ask yourselves if it's because you don't like the messenger.
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If you trust in me town, why not trust in my reads? Have you read why I tr both Ydrasse and Pooky? I have played with both scum and town!them.In post 2455, Robert M Hunter wrote:I'm adding Chara to the town list, no scum their right mind would dust off my old games to double check that I'm limbait. It's so bad, if I'm ever scum again I'm going to have to beg the other wolves to gang up on me and lim me day 1
No one wants to consider Ydrasse being a criminal for some reason. Ask yourselves if it's because you don't like the messenger.
I agree with your Chara read.
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Pooky too, he mentioned targeting him as well.In post 2463, Morning Tweet wrote:I think your read of Chara is good.In post 2455, Robert M Hunter wrote:I'm adding Chara to the town list, no scum their right mind would dust off my old games to double check that I'm limbait. It's so bad, if I'm ever scum again I'm going to have to beg the other wolves to gang up on me and lim me day 1
No one wants to consider Ydrasse being a criminal for some reason. Ask yourselves if it's because you don't like the messenger.
Robert, I'm really imploring you to consider other options scumreads-wise. You can't just have Ydrasse as your strongest because you don't like how she reacted to your claim. Your claim is sus as fuck. If you're hellbent on shooting Ydrasse I'd rather lim you because you're more helping scum than not if you shoot her imo. Shoot someone who is going to be eliminated during the day at some point this game. Then it's helpful no matter what
Also, she can't be a criminal. But that's not the same as being scum, you probably meant scum.
I don’t like how he’s completely ignoring my reads. If he tr me, why ignore that?
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Good then. My current PoE is Nakata, Flea, whichever one we don’t lim today.In post 2468, Robert M Hunter wrote:I will target whoever YOU tell me to. No one else.In post 2463, Morning Tweet wrote:Robert, I'm really imploring you to consider other options scumreads-wise.
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There are probably 3 scum, so if Robert is town, who’s Flea’s buddy?In post 2467, Morning Tweet wrote:If Nakata doesn't look good via associative with Infy (havent checked that kinda thing) I'm playing around with the idea that he's scum TMIing Ircher town like infy did..That would be seriously ironic considering he accused me of that just a couple posts backIn post 1672, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata thinks the town should listen to what he’s saying considering Yin has cleared ircher and Nakata was already saying ircher was town who was set up!Nakata's read on me yesterday was really bizarre and hard for me to understand :IIn post 1573, Satoru Nakata wrote:Yes, and Nakata hopes that other players in the list note this clear attempt to discredit Nakata and to cover up a TMI-slip!In post 1571, Morning Tweet wrote:Are you serious?In post 1570, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata thinks that Morning Tweet may have just TMI’d that ircher is town and hence a mislim?In post 1563, Morning Tweet wrote:If I were scum trying to save miselims, I'd probably lean really hard into the "Ircher is jester!" tinfoil and make up excuses not to vote him.
He says that he was under the impression he was about to die so he voted me.. dunno
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I kinda like this as an anti associative. Infy was on Nakata even before she was under significant heat, pretty sure. I dont know if she'd really tunnel a partner like this.
Surely both Nakata and Infy don't TMI Ircher as town together..... surely
I still prefer Flea here from what I've observed. Flea has no associations (other than i guess Tanner) because fae hasn't taken many stances on players themselves
Faer frustration surrounding us not cooperating on mech is, odd for a number of reasons. When I asked for help on mech I got several people to ask questions for me (ty for that pooky and robert and if theres anyone else who did!) -- it wasn't terribly difficult. I also have focused on it a ton but it hasn't really been a factor with my reads. Like i dont have to wait on questions from Yin in order to vote and gain reads -- yet for Flea, something is holding faer up.
I'm not entirely convinced because it might be out of game influencing Flea but i weaked Infy significantly for same reasons so eeeeh
This could possibly be anti-associative but when you consider Infinity’s positioning around Ircher, then I don’t see how it’s clearing?
Like I think scum is most likely in 2 out of Nakata, Flea, Robert and based on my Infinity ISO, me, Pooky, Ydrasse, Clidd, you and maybe Chara as well don’t look like buddies.
Also, I urge you to ISO Nakata in Forest Fire, he made extensive nuanced reads in that game. I also don’t understand why he sr you, me, Ydrasse but not Infinitely?
That’s what concerns me. He jumped on each of you, me, Ydrasse but never Infinity.
But I’m willing to change my mind based on what he posts today. If he’s town, then we obviously shouldn’t miselim him. I’m just not concinced of that rn.
As Ircher said, one of Nakata/Robert is probably scum but not both.
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But let’s wait on that after Nakata posts. I’m open to changing my mind and re-evaluating my reads. Pooky and Ydrasse are never scum here, so I’m with Tweetie on that.In post 2470, Amy Dunne wrote:Good then. My current PoE is Nakata, Flea, whichever one we don’t lim today.In post 2468, Robert M Hunter wrote:I will target whoever YOU tell me to. No one else.In post 2463, Morning Tweet wrote:Robert, I'm really imploring you to consider other options scumreads-wise.
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Ydrasse is obviously not a buddy but considering we know Ircher is town, how do you account for the difference between how Infinity treated him > Nakata?In post 2472, Morning Tweet wrote:Do you have scumreads other than Ydrasse?Robert M Hunter wrote:I will target whoever YOU tell me to. No one else.In post 2463, Morning Tweet wrote:Robert, I'm really imploring you to consider other options scumreads-wise.
Also, allow me to elaborate on why I think Ydrasse is town.
Starting page 17. Infinity has a bad faith read on me. Ydrasse instantly opposes Infy, pointing out why the read is wrong in the context of mafiascum rpg and also makes probably the first accusation of the game of Infy being off/weird. Ydrasse and Infy are using the same game and the same "tell" with the same reasoning, yet Infy is twisting it to make me scum whereas Ydrasse does not. She also instantly opposes Infy and calls her out on being off -- i would be fairly surprised if thats s/s
(this is about page 35 and on). Moving on later in the game, stuff flows around blablabla and Nakata nearly dies with Ydrasse at the head of the wagon. She also finds you scummy I believe. Norwe votes Infy for being scummy but is on his own until Tanner/Chara/clidd join, and then Ydrasse posts 967. It's a detailed recollection and working thru of her thoughts, which i like, and the confidence on her reads also pings towny. I think Ydrasse's relenting on Nakata that page is more towny, it doesnt ping like scum who is going to miselim Nakata on a later date even though she explicitly says she will kill Nakata if Infy flips scum. hard to explain
this also probably suggests nakata and ydrasse are more likely townIn post 1071, Infinity 324 wrote:Ydrassee <3 you're so much better at wording it than meIn post 1057, Ydrasse wrote:like you have a very ... strong reaction to being pushed on no offence but if you seemed viable at the time (and i think you were before you actually started interacting with him) i understand why a scum!satoru would go for it before realizing.
The Infy wagon falls apart momentarily and the Nakata one starts again. Ircher gets a lot of heat too. Infy is all but forgotten Ircher is X-1'd. Page 55. Infy seems to TMI ircher town. Tanner and clidd vote Infy, Infy says something scummy and Ydrasse immediately calls it out (the second time she's done so this game literally immediately after Infy posts). This is the wagon that sticks and kills Infy
Another thing is why did Flea vanity votepark Tanner for as long as fae did but completely but only pushed Nakata once Infinity wagon was pretty much unstoppable? That’s what’s not making sense to me. Flea could have had a much better chance at getting Nakata limmed bedore Infinity wagon became unstoppable.
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It would be if we hadn’t narrowed down the lim to exactly Ircher/Nakata/Infinity. That’s my point, it probably would be anti-associative in that case but we have scum!Infinity defending town!Ircher, so who else could she push? She obviously wasn’t going to push herself.In post 2474, Morning Tweet wrote:Infy did nothing but defend Ircher really. On his deathbed, granted, but still.In post 2471, Amy Dunne wrote:This could possibly be anti-associative but when you consider Infinity’s positioning around Ircher, then I don’t see how it’s clearing?
I believe Infy was pushing Nakata during at least two of the periods where it seemed Nakata would die. At least one of which was before Ircher was even a thing. Infy basically sat on Nakata all day, and im unsure she's tunnel a scumpartner like that without being under significant pressure herself.
Like if she knew she'd die, then sure. Or if she knew another wagon would go through, sure. But from what I can tell it seems like she put Nakata at significant risk and under the guise of being too "lazy" to reevaluate elsewhere. An odd thing to do to a partner.
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I keep thinking what the NPAs said about 3 factions. What they haven’t made clear is is all scum is mafia or not, so if this is possibly multiball, that could put a wrinkle into everything.In post 2475, Morning Tweet wrote:I agree with you that Nakata comes off as more rational/nuanced in Forest Fire. The logic Nakata is using here (Ircher is not a criminal says Yin, therefore my read of Ircher is right, therefore I'm town and Morning is scum) is way less deep and very leap-y in comparison.
Course, it's a different game and perhaps something else has caused this -- he's not a replacement, there's less to work with, there's weird mechanics.... but it could also be due to a difference in alignment.
But even if hypothetically only 2/3 scum are Mafia, there would have to be at least 2 mafias minimum if not 3.
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Isn’t your vote still on Tanner?In post 2489, Flea The Magician wrote:ok I reached 94 of 99 before passing out last night and ye gods am I suffering today.
Please tell me we're eliminating Robert? Their AtE is beyond a joke at this point.
If he’s determined to kill my strongest trs, I’m onboard.
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I’m starting to think he could be scum, that unwarrented excessive hostility and unwillingness to engage and work with others and rather than take responsibility for the reactions he’s getting - he’s blaming it on us being some kind of clicque, rather than acknowledging that he’s going out of his way to antagonize people.In post 2492, Ydrasse wrote:he said he’d let mt leash him or w/e but grain of salt
If he’s scum along with Infinity, I’m guessing scum perhaps has some pretty difficult wincon, because both seem incredibly unhappy to be in this game.
It also really can’t be a lot if fun to be Ircher here either, I’d imagine.
That’s what bothering me about both Robert and Nakata. Neither are seeming to gaf what anyone else tells them in this game.
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I think Pooky asked if he’d ever voted a criminal and Yin said yes but I’m really not putting too much stock into anything Yin has said other than me/Ydrasse/Ircher are town. Yin told Pooky there was scum in Chara apparently but I think Chara has been really townie.In post 2502, Flea The Magician wrote:Where? I've not seen that.In post 2367, Amy Dunne wrote:Yin also said that Pooky voted a criminal and since Pooky has an antibussing meta, would make him town.In post 2361, Morning Tweet wrote:With no assumptions on Infinity and Norwe..
Infinity and Norwe were not both criminals.
Tanner is acriminal.
Chara is acriminal.
Amy, Robert, Ircher, and Ydrasse arenot criminals.
One or two of Flea/clidd/Tweet/Pooky/Nakata are acriminal.
One or more of Flea/Nakata/Pooky are acriminal.
Zero or two, but not one, of Morning/clidd/Pooky are acriminal.
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Assuming Infinity was a criminal and Norwe was not..
Infinity was acriminal.
Tanner is acriminal.
Chara is acriminal.
Norwe was not acriminal.
Amy, Robert, Ircher, and Ydrasse arenot criminals.
One of Flea/Nakata is acriminal.
Morning, clidd, and Pooky arenot criminals.
Based off Yang’s posts in particular - claiming Infinity is obvtown, I’m not going to put a lot of stock into what either NPA says.
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Can you explain Tweetie, Tanner?In post 2504, Flea The Magician wrote:End of 95, my solve sits at Robert, Tweetie, Tanner.
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I think Flea might be town. I keep going back and forth on fae.In post 2537, Flea The Magician wrote:Actually further digging has just ully disproven the yang compulsive liar theory I had.
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Dude, she was one of the most vocal players on the kill scum!Infinity wagon. *smdh*In post 2543, Robert M Hunter wrote:Alright everyone, I'm on my lunch break, so quick post.
As I mentioned I am a terrible player, the kind that is more helpful to his faction dead than alive. I'm also and unpopular player stuck in a loop where being the designated day one limbait game after game makes me increasingly disagreeable and unpleasant. Even my honest feelings of frustration are rejected as creepy/slimy/disgusting atE.
Trying to turn a bug into a feature, I softed a PR on day 1 in the hope of catching the night kill. For some unknown reason the scum chose to kill another player, maybe they thought I'd be targeted by another town power, maybe they thought I was such sensational limbait that they could spend day two fixating on me until I'm eliminated and avoid their own elimination.
I am a plain vanilla townie.
I falsely claimed a role that the scum would fear, and therefore push even harder to eliminate during the day, so that more information could be extracted upon my game-death. Another possibility would have been that the wagon would shift away from me, and hit scum instead.
That's one of the reasons I did not like Ydrasse's reaction.
So that wraps up my contribution to the game. Feel free to dispose of me, I have overstayed my welcome.
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Any reads, thoughts on Infinity!scum flip, anything?In post 2522, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata is relieved to hear that Clidd is still a friend!In post 2518, clidd wrote:It's fine, we won't use that against you.
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In post 2517, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata clicked on the wrong account beginning with “S”. Nakata is giving a deep sigh.In post 2516, sang froid wrote:Nakata has received a prod. Nakata didn’t realise the game had restarted.
In post 2521, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata is not sure what Ydrasse means. Nakata doesn’t think there’s anything to explain.
Why doesn’t he say even a single thing game related?In post 2522, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata is relieved to hear that Clidd is still a friend!In post 2518, clidd wrote:It's fine, we won't use that against you.
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While I tr Clidd, there is absolutely nothing about #2518 that is remotely ai.In post 2522, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata is relieved to hear that Clidd is still a friend!In post 2518, clidd wrote:It's fine, we won't use that against you.
Nakata is affirming a Clidd tr based off noting ai.
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He could be scum here. Him totally ignoring what I said about Ydrasse isn’t good but neither is Nakata’s doing essentially nothing.In post 2565, Flea The Magician wrote:He really isn't. I've player with Robert a couple of times.
I’m okay with either.
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Who do you think is scummier Nakata or Robert? I think that entrance was really scummy.In post 2567, clidd wrote:Because he's scum tming a townread on me ^
Maybe it’s Infinty/Nakata/Robert?
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Infinity wasn’t the only ellitelling but in Nakata’s case, it was under a different account.In post 2522, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata is relieved to hear that Clidd is still a friend!In post 2518, clidd wrote:It's fine, we won't use that against you.
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Can you explain the “ctrl +F” thing to me? I’m on an iPad.In post 2570, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I kinda want to kill Nakata.
Pull up his ISO and ctrl+F infinity if you want to know what I mean.
Also Chara looks kinda scummy.
VOTE: Nakata
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Considering there were only 3 viable wagons including Infinty, I’m not sure how that’s clearing?In post 2572, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:hmm double-checked Infy's iso and she does kinda tunnel on Nakata a lot >.>
maybe I should vote someone else
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I just click on activity overview.In post 2575, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:ctrl + f is just searching for the name in the ISO
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Faer mech analysis. Fae keeps questioning and re-evaluating faer conclusions based on that.In post 2580, Tanner wrote:what are you referring to here?In post 2578, Amy Dunne wrote:Faer second guessing and evaluating and fe-evaluating pings possibly townie.
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In post 2524, Flea The Magician wrote:hmm... ok I'm not conf by yang. i had a theory, it didn't pan out.
@TannerIn post 2537, Flea The Magician wrote:Actually further digging has just ully disproven the yang compulsive liar theory I had.
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Why not? I don’t recall Flea doing anything like that in Royalty.In post 2584, Ircher wrote:I don't put much alignment-stock into stuff like that, and I don't think you should either.
I certainly wouldn’t lim fae over Robert or Nakata, since fae is actually doing something.
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In post 2564, clidd wrote:Meh, maybe he's town but I feel like the whole claim and "look, I'm bad" is horrible even for bad town.
What about this post?In post 2565, Flea The Magician wrote:He really isn't. I've player with Robert a couple of times.
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Maybe, I just think both Robert and Nakata are scumier.In post 2590, Ircher wrote:Unless fae expands, it seems more like posturing than scumhunting to me. "Reads" like that are easy to hand out.
So I’m Robert > Nakata > Flea > everyone else.
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I loled at this.In post 2670, Flea The Magician wrote:Perhaps Rival Nakata wants to make further efforts to prove to Comrade Flea, and the others, that they are indeed friend.
Perhaps Rival Nakata makes use of his Yin questions to help his comrades secure victory, and earn some vodka.
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I recall the exact opposite of that but I challenge you - with either links or quotes - to prove me wrong.In post 2668, Satoru Nakata wrote:What exactly is the case against Nakata? Nakata was right that Robert was a friend! Remember that Morning Tweet wanted to lim Robert over Infinity on D1, where Nakata was calling Infinity scum.
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In post 1548, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata changed his mind on Infinity 324, he thinks the way friend Infinity 324 has tunnelled him is probably indicative of town who can’t get out of a tunnel instead of scum.
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This was Nakata’s most recent post on Infinity. Now, I’m going to see if he also is bssing us about Robert as well.In post 2684, Amy Dunne wrote:In post 1548, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata changed his mind on Infinity 324, he thinks the way friend Infinity 324 has tunnelled him is probably indicative of town who can’t get out of a tunnel instead of scum.
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Still tr InfinityIn post 1558, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata thinks his line of thinking is very clear and he’s done the same thing before when he’s been scum and has had multiple juicy options. Nakata thinks one mustn’t be too hungry for the honey, which means saving the easier mislims for later. Nakata thinks Ircher was slightly more work to get wagoned than he was or friend Infinity 324 was, which feeds into his theory that scum want to preserve us for later.
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Did Nakata tmi Tweetie town with this?In post 1550, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata thinks Amy Dunne’s suggestion that he’s trying to create a distraction is misplaced, or that she should be TRing him for it if that’s what she really thinks he’s doing.If Nakata were scum trying to save a buddy, then Amy Dunne is right that Nakata would be foolish to try and. However, if Nakata thinks he’s likely to die soon (which he does) then it makes sense for Nakata to use his vote to bring attention to slots that are neglected for any players that decide to review Nakata’s takes once he flips town. Admittedly, Nakata doesn’t have great reads so he might be wrong, but Nakata thinks Morning Tweet has created a pocket on her “townbloc” and now just wants to powerwolf through the game by limming those not in said townbloc.mislimMorning Tweet
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Alright here sl but still was opposed to her elim but his later reads, he tr her.In post 941, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata thinks that Infinity 324 may quite well be scum but that if Infinity 324 is scum then his friends will know for certain later. That is to say, Nakata scumleans Infinity 324 but doesn't believe her to be the most profitable target for today. Whereas Nakata doesn't think Robert M Hunter will become easier to read as the game goes on.In post 938, Chara wrote:i'm assuming you have experience with Infinity? i'm wondering why you didn't feel this way about Robert. or how you can conclude there are two scum pushing you that aren't Infinity if you don't have more than a null read on her.In post 933, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata thinks Infinity 324 may be a baddie but thinks that Infinity 324 will become easier to read as the game goes on and often looks like scum on D1, so is not a priority to be limmed. Nakata thinks clidd is a friend who is mistaken on Nakata.In post 931, Chara wrote:Nakata, can you talk about how you're reading Infinity and clidd?
i saw your clidd townread, i'm wondering if you talked about why clidd was town.
Nakata thinks clidd is approaching the game in line with his town meta and his overall effort is town indicative for him.
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Where is Nakata’s Robert’s “friend” read? This was his most recent post regarding Robert.In post 932, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata was sorting Robert M Hunter here. He wanted to see how Robert M Hunter would react to his vote and to a wagon on him. Nakata was then unconvinced that Robert M Hunter's reaction was that of a goodie.In post 534, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata doesn’t think it matters very much if it wouldn’t tell us much if Robert does flip scum, and if he’s likely to be flipped at some point then Nakata thinks it might as well be today.
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Another “friend” Infinity post.In post 1558, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata thinks his line of thinking is very clear and he’s done the same thing before when he’s been scum and has had multiple juicy options. Nakata thinks one mustn’t be too hungry for the honey, which means saving the easier mislims for later. Nakata thinks Ircher was slightly more work to get wagoned than he was or friend Infinity 324 was, which feeds into his theory that scum want to preserve us for later.
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Still sr Robert.In post 892, Satoru Nakata wrote:In post 883, Amy Dunne wrote:In post 876, Satoru Nakata wrote:Friend clidd has been deceived into voting Nakata by scum Amy Dunne/Morning Tweet/Infinity 324/Robert M Hunter. Nakata does not think they are all scum, but Nakata thinks there may be a lot of scum in them. You should help Nakata by voting Morning Tweet or Amy Dunne so that we can eliminate scum today!Instead of trying to push bs miselims, why don’t you address any of these points? I obviously don’t want to miselim but yoi just straight up ignored this and now you’re trying something comparible with Clidd. I don’t like it, not one bit.In post 844, Amy Dunne wrote:I’m not particularly impressed with how Nakata responded to either his wagon or his Robert read. Tanner actually seems to have conviction but is still willing to re-evaluate but Nakata doesn’t really seem willing to do that and if he’s so convinced on Robert!scum, why pivot to Tweetie? But he seems not to care what Robert is, only that he’s limbait or something. Also another think that bothers me is he’s emotionally flat about everything. He has given us no reason to unvote him.
And why is townblocking scummy?never said he was "so convinced" that Robert M Hunter is scum, Nakata simply thought that was best at the time, now Nakata still thinks that Robert M Hunter may be scum, but he is more concerned about Amy Dunne and Morning Tweet trying to eliminate him. Maybe one or both of them are partners to Robert M Hunter and trying to move the wagon away from him to an easier target.
Also, Nakata has already explained about the townbloccing point. Amy Dunne is not reading Nakata's posts and is just trying to mislim him.
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No indication of wanting to elim InfinityIn post 933, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata thinks Infinity 324 may be a baddie but thinks that Infinity 324 will become easier to read as the game goes on and often looks like scum on D1, so is not a priority to be limmed. Nakata thinks clidd is a friend who is mistaken on Nakata.In post 931, Chara wrote:Nakata, can you talk about how you're reading Infinity and clidd?