Mini 1344: Murder on the HMS Regalia - Game Over

[Malakittens]

/confirm

[Malakittens]

Okay, as my stance on other "Mafia" type sites is basically I follow a policy of two things; 1. If you lie and I catch you in a lie. I will do a strict policy on voting you. >.> Secondly, lurkers. Lurkers on D1 I'll accept, but if you continue to lurk without contributing after D2 I'll most likely vote you. Lurkers aren't pro-town or helpful because if thoughts aren't placed, then I don't know what you are thinking, if I don't know what you are thinking then I think you are hiding something. Scum often often hide things because they don't want to slip up. If we don't post than the scum also don't have to post which in the end helps the scum.

At the moment, I'm not going to vote anyone.
Yes, kittens are cute therefore we should just sit in corners and play wif balls of yarn. *wiggles*

Ohaidere Claim. Let me think about that one. So, early for a claim, but that's besides the point.

[Malakittens]

Will do in a bit. I been trying it hates when I attempt to upload

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Hah! Avatar complete! <3

[Malakittens]

Yes, I agree that was a very odd way to word that sentence. Possibly he knows something we don't or he worded it wrong where it sounded wrong, but it's not.
Low FoS: Image

What is Zombies? >>

[Malakittens]

Sorry about that. I thought maybe Zombie was a role or something I didn't know.
Zombies are creepy. I'm scared of them. Make them stay away.

[Malakittens]

Hello, all! Just to get this clear, we have a lynch and a public jail, basically. Wouldn't it make more sense to have them going in different directions, at least?
In any case, VOTE: Drmyshotgun,

Jail: D3f3nd3r

Just asking, but why exactly do you believe we should vote one and quarturine another? Different people that is.

[Malakittens]

Claim: basically a vanilla townie.

I found this post odd.

And all that about Zombies? What's that about?

Yes, I was wondering the same.. It just didn't make sense.

[Malakittens]

Hello, all! Just to get this clear, we have a lynch and a public jail, basically. Wouldn't it make more sense to have them going in different directions, at least?
In any case, VOTE: Drmyshotgun,

Jail: D3f3nd3r

Just asking, but why exactly do you believe we should vote one and quarturine another? Different people that is.

Because as quarantine is apparently a mass voted jail, jailing someone we just lynched (and is therefore dead) is unlikely to be useful.

That's logical and makes sense. I second this that's it's probably better to jail one person and then decide who we think looks the scummiest as a group and lynch them. Also anyone have a view on singleton votes? Such as are they pro or anti town.

[Malakittens]

I'm not sure how I want to vote regarding the quarantine. Only reason why I say this is because the person that is put in it is not able to perform an action or they can't have actions performed on them. I'm thinking we need to act as a majorly to decide who's the scummiest in terms of lists. Such as we put one person we think is scum as the overall lynch target, but the second person who we believe could be part of the scum team in quarantine to avoid them using their actions to kill the town.

Let's discuss..

[Malakittens]

Why the vote on me? Just asking?

[Malakittens]

Sorry Trollie I missed the reasoning off my phone.
For my avatar.. I was asked to get one and then every single one of my customized avatars that I have gotten made for my other site wouldn't take due to sizes and I'm not wanting to ruin a quality made avatar to re-size. If it helps pressing "esc" will stop the avatar from moving. -.-

[Malakittens]

Firefox, Chrome & IE.
I only learned it recently too. My other site someone has a pokemon avatar that moves in an annoying fashion and someone was like I accidentally pressed "Esc" and it freezes in place! We laughed at how she found out, but it works for us there. :p

[Malakittens]

Well.. In my other ROMS game we refer to the players that the nexus brings back as Zombies. >.> Why I was actually wondering if zombies was a role play, joke or what not.

[Malakittens]

Because if this claim is real why risk killing off a townie.. If it's not well time will tell about the truth of the claim. I normally hate voting/lynching D1, it's just something I always have done and I'm not really want to go against my own policy here. I hate lynching on D1 because I would hate to lynch a role holder before they have the chance to use their role.

Nexus: role brings the dead back for a day cycle. I assumed that maybe Image threw out some type of hint on a role. It's funny though we call them zombies (After the nexus brings them back) where I come from.

Ser you make it seem like you enjoy pressure votes. Is that to role fish a role out on D1? Honestly you are acting type of scum like. >.> I don't agree with pressure votes on Day 1.

Low Fos: Ser & Image.

If you are wondering here's a link where I normally Abstain, known as No Lynch here. That game though had insanity cost, but I still ended up voting towards my usual policy: no lynch.

http://forums.puzzlepirates.com/communi ... 96#2409896

[Malakittens]

Well even if you pointed a gun to my head and said you were going to shoot I still wouldn't vote. I been playing these types of games for over a year now and I have never once voted on D1. This surely isn't going to change now. Either way my one non vote won't matter if we get majority to vote for someone. I'll still watch the thread and point out when I think someone is acting scum like or who's acting town and why I think that.. >.>

[Malakittens]

Yes, I am starting to understand the meta a bit, but my concern is mostly that say I get into the habit of voting via D1 here and I accidentally do it over there that I'll be lynched there early for changing normal game play. I'll most likely not vote today. That's different than voting towards a no lynch btw. I just want to explain why I'm not voting incase everyone think I'm scum for doing it.

Okay, I'll drop it now.

[Malakittens]

Wish I had my ROMS buddies here. I do repeat myself a lot, but that doesn't make me scummy in the least bit. I do it often, so, it's a null tell. I have always been lynched in past games for doing just that, but also due to the fact I'm just a jumpy townie. I'm usually lynched by day 2-4 for that behavior. Also yes I question everything that's my style of hunting.

[Malakittens]

I have never been scum. Played 7 ROMS games all of which I been town.

[Malakittens]

Claims EARLY in Day 1 aren't really town helpful. At least role fishing is not helpful. It's bad to give the scum hints because they are most likely to pick up on it and kill you that night. I agree that lynching someone and attempting to quarantine to protect/role block them is not that helpful. Personally, I rather Vote someone I think is scummy and then quarantine someone else who I believe is scummy.

I don't really agree with pressure votes or RNG votes. It's not pro town. A bit of pressure after D2 is needed to make the lurkers start posting though..

Like I said the more posts townies make then the scum have to be forced to post. When the scums post then they are most likely to slip up with a mistake and be caught. That's the main belief I go by when playing MS/ROMS.

[Malakittens]

Yeah, I'm going back to my site after this game is over. Apparently even though the two sites are similar everything is different. I don't fit in here basically I mean. <.<

[Malakittens]

Err.. I have read a few other completed games and I agree a lynch is better on D1 rather than no lynch. I will vote after all, but at this point I won't vote myself and honestly I know I have an FoS on Image, but I'm still not convinced in my mind he's scum yet. He could be, but he said Zombies was a role play. I still think Ser was fishing for something, so, my vote will most likely be placed there unless I see someone do something more scummy in the following time. I'm pretty sure I can keep MS things out of ROMS. >.>

I do agree I rather protect a CI instead of someone more scummy. Only because where I come from CI are the first person who gets killed during night and that's not good for the town.

Quarantine: Espeonage

I come from a YPP community called ROMS (Rogue OM Squad). We aren't lurky at all. We do huge posts unlike here where it's smaller. Like for instance, I sat this last current game out, but one of the players REALLY needed a replacement and I was asked politely and I didn't want to decline. I accepted, we are at the start of D6 with 21 players left and I have to read through 1,600 posts. Some are fluff, some are short, but most of the posts are very huge with content.

[Malakittens]

Confirmed Innocent/Claimed Innocent.

[Malakittens]

I disagree. I'm on the phone and going to sleep, so I'll be quick.

You are assuming that mafia has no power roles. If say mafia has one goon and x PRs, if we quarantine scum then we effectively remove one PR.

This was the first quote which stated a Mafia PR. Makes me wonder if he has inside information that the town doesn't.

FoS here.

[Malakittens]

Actually, I think he might know something for sure. Going against my first Day views, but it's needed and most likely more beneficial to the town if I vote. It helps the scums when townies don't vote or when townies vote late.

Vote: Guille2015

[Malakittens]

It wasn't Trollie who said it first it was Guillie, well, he mentioned them first that someone was assuming that the scum had no PR's.

[Malakittens]

I been thinking about the use of Quarantine. And I'm still unsure. I think using it to protect Pro town might be the best way to go since VT are usually the first to get NK since they basically free themselves from suspicions. With them doing that it helps them scum hunt and normally the scum doesn't like that so they kill them.

Though Quarantining someone who is scum decreases the chance at the end of the game to stop NK's. I believe that in the beginning of the game to use it to protect pro town, but at the closer to the end of the game we use it for a scum jail. That's my final opinion on this matter.

[Malakittens]

Well, if they are VT with no PR's aka Espon, if they aren't lying what could it hurt, Guillie?

[Malakittens]

If I was a cop I wouldn't claim at all. That role is the first to go.

[Malakittens]

But that's not what I was talking about. What I was saying someone who claimed: Vanilla Townie. What is the benefits of letting him not be jailed to being jailed?

[Malakittens]

Not saying I'm Espeonage, but the sheer mention of scum PR makes me think you know something about them. That is deff something that would make me cast a vote on either of you. Just saying. >.>

[Malakittens]

Since I believe Esp's claim.

Unvote:
Vote: Thetrollie

[Malakittens]

I know it's semi far in advance, but I do have a vacation planned from July 7th to the 14th. I'll be posting when I can, if I can.

[Malakittens]

Yes and because I believe Esp's claim and I don't want him lynched because I feel he's useful to the town and I'd like to keep him around. I don't want a hammer vote to take him out. I tied the votes up(I think). >.>

[Malakittens]

Apparently, I'm confused about the votes.

@Mod: Can we have a new updated vote count please.

Either way, both Thetrollie and Guille are my top scum reads and I'll be voting either or.

Honestly, I was tryin' to avoid a hammer vote, but now not sure if I can.

Well it's basically like saying this: if someone mentioned roles or powers for scum when there was no mention about it in the rules would you think they know something or no? Especially with knowing that normal games just have powers not roles for the scum. >.>

[Malakittens]

... I really am new to MS, but not that new to this game. The rules are similar, but at the same time not. LIke we don't have hammer votes that will send us into twilight. Plus, I now believe Espon, I don't see how it could make me scummy or warrant a vote..

[Malakittens]

Roms is similar to MS*

[Malakittens]

I'm right now not liking the town prospects of either of espeonage or Malakittens, but not enough to put in a real vote yet. UNVOTE:

Unquarantine

while I think. Mala, could you give any meta from the other site on yourself?

I tend to be super indecisive in my voting and over think everything.
I question the VT until I'm sure they are in fact VT.
I do tend to buddy up to experienced players and then get accused of following, sheeping, or buddying. Like, last game I played.. Thought an experienced player was town at first. Buddied up on her vote on a person, then got the person lynched, then the player was town. Then decided I have never see this person go so hard at someone, so, I thought she must be scum. And then took us both down. >.> So, it went like this I thought she was town D1 -> D2 -> D3. Then I went after her on D4 and got her lynched because I swore she was scum. She was town and then the PWS claimed, we got a rogue and then Day 6 I was lynched for my action on the experienced player I buddied up too.
I tend to self destruct when poke and prodded.(Usually doesn't help either side and I'm always town when it happens.) (Don't try it here it's not fun.. Triggers aren't known here, they are known there) (Scum there tend to use it as advantage)
Sometimes I vote without a case or I vote with a not so good case.
Oh, I tend to become over defensive. It's not a scum tell.

Not sure does that help with meta?

[Malakittens]

Here, I just decided to replace half way into this game. Part of self diagnosed there is supported.

http://forums.puzzlepirates.com/communi ... ffset=1660

[Malakittens]

I don't see how self quarantine is a scum slip. If they are scum self quarantine will remove a PR if the scum indeed do have PR. Which is why I believe that Espon is most likely a VT without a role. I don't see how anyone wanting to be self quarantine with a role is helpful.

[Malakittens]

I trust too easily then, but it doesn't mean lynch me for it. I'm trusting those type of claim on the other site too, but there's one there in particular that I have trusted, but something that he has just recently done is giving me pause, but there's something addition to that.

[Malakittens]

I'm basically saying.. Scum has a shot to go after a PR with the first NK, but sometimes they don't like the confirmed town because they can be useful in scum hunting. Honestly, it depends on the scum team to want to go after a PR or to take someone who has claimed. Those who claim are more likely not to lie because lying when you're an innocent isn't the best way to go about things.

Espon can scum hunt and explain why he feels who and who is scum. He might not have the power to attempt to hit scum with a role, but he has the power to vote and convince us to help search. I'm sorry, but I believe that's more helpful then someone who just lurks.

also, to make sure I understand you, you are saying you believe Espeonage's claim now BECAUSE he voted quarantine himself?

That's not the exact reason that I believe his claim. If he was scum with a PR why on earth would a scum self quarantine? What would the scum get out of that? If Espon was lying about VT and actually scum, it would because he would most likely be the more powerful 'scum role' and I don't think the greatest scum move in the world would quarantine a role.

[Malakittens]

I'm Riss_, Sorry, thought I said that in a previous post.

[Malakittens]

Btw around page 152 is where I replaced in. >.>

[Malakittens]

Well. lack of posts are great especially when you get prodded for not posting when no one else is posting themselves. -_-

[Malakittens]

Hai Psyche!

[Malakittens]

Still finds Espeonage as scum for self-quarantine.

I'm gonna make it clear that Espeonage self-quarantining page 3 or 4 or something is a pretty bad scumslip.

First one is scummy.

Second one is RVS. I admit bad RVS, but RVS.

Third one is RVS. Finally some good RVS.

Fourth one is RVS. Espionage means spying.

At first, 37 was RVS, but I kept the vote because Espeon felt scummy.

@D3f3nd3r:

You voted Espeonage during RVS and kept quite while his wagon got as high as L-1 without any justification other than his self-quarantine. This seems like a pretty weak point, at least compared to what else was said. Why would it be a scum-slip to self-quarantine? How would this help scum at all? Further, why do you think whatever scum-motivation Espeonage has for wanting to be jailed is more likely than the town motivation?

I made it very clear in 86 that Self-Quarantine is Obvscum.

Scum would not be hurt if someone were public-lynched (they give the NK to another), and town were (The scum can't die through vig-kill)

Vigs would become less useful if a townie is ruled out.

Of course, the claim in the very beginning was somewhat scummy, but this is the main reason.

My vote in RVS was, at first, RVS. It is now a viable vote.

If we care,

UNVOTE: Espeonage

VOTE: Espeonage

So D3f3nd3r you are telling me you rather sit here and originally place a RVS vote. Then Espeonage claimed as VT, but you are still unwilling to reconsider. Ontop of it you aren't actually scumhunting nor are you explaining how it could actually be a viable vote. Unless you call self quarantine a scum slip. >.>

Unvote:
Vote: D3f3nd3r

Reasons:

He's tunneling himself on one person. This person is Espeonage.
He has admitting to lurking due to it being a slow game and hasn't really contributed anything that can really be considered scum hunting.
He's admitted that his original vote was in fact RVS, but did not even once reconsider changing it.

[Malakittens]

I don't see him helping the town much by tunneling on one person, do you?

[Malakittens]

Hmm hmmm. I still feel that putting the VT in the jail is the better thing to do. <.< I still agree with quarantining Espon.

[Malakittens]

-Headdesks-, so you rather lynch someone who is trying to help the town out of D1 fluff instead of lynching someone who is unhelpful and just tunneling someone. Yep, great logic there.

[Malakittens]

V/LA: Til Friday

[Malakittens]

So, wait BK I'm scummy because I have done this:

I didn't originally want to lynch because in my other site we don't lynch on D1.
I showed self meta because I wanted to keep my name on there hidden.
Then when I was told self meta was "scummy" I revealed my name on that site to show everyone.
At first I didn't believe the Esp's claim to be VT, but now I do.

Keeping VT allows the town to win and therefore I don't want to lynch someone of my alignment.

[Malakittens]

I always tend to take claims at half face value. I didn't believe it at first because he claimed without being under pressure or even close to being lynched. As time progressed he was helping scum hunting and proving that his VT claim was actually authentic. If you sit back and claim VT and then do jack shit then I won't believe it. If someone claims VT because they are role-less and believe that they can't do anything and sit back and allow the people with actual roles do all the work I also find that scummy. Esp just doesn't look scummy..

[Malakittens]

Oh I also forgot to add: I'm scummy because I'm overexcited and post a lot and that's considered a scum tell.

Firstly, I always post a lot. The difference is between the two sites. This site doesn't like "wall of text" and huge posts. There they don't really like small posts and stuff that looks like fluff. I'm sitting here trying to not do one or the other. Personally, I rather do large posts here, but then I'll get called Scum because I'm trying to hide something. So, I need to find a level where I don't look scummy because I'm either posting too much or I'm posting too little.

[Malakittens]

Either we have two different definitions of buddying. If I was buddying then I would have believed his claim at first and then defended the non believers. I don't know who is town and who is mafia, but I take claims at half value. Maybe it's because I know firsthand how a fake claim can look so believable when it's not. I also know how a fake claim can damage one side and help another.

[Malakittens]

Usually scum don't stick together, especially on a bandwagon. There's probably a scum not voting, scum voting on the main wagon and then the opposing wagon. At least that's my usual experience with how scum act on the other site, but these sites are different, but I'm sure there are some similarities.

Tomorrow I'll do a quick read on everyone on the main lynch wagon and see if I can find anything suspicious. This is my input at the moment.

[Malakittens]

WIFOM but it's also true in every single game I have played in. I caught scum off it before and I'm going to intend on keeping using it until it fails me. (which it hasn't ever yet)

[Malakittens]

Sure thing.

[Malakittens]

Okay thoughts on the D3f3nd3r wagon.

I believe there's at least one scum person on this wagon.
SER was killed Night 1 and town-aligned.
Espeonage has claimed VT. [ Vanilla Town Claim]
Drmyshotgun has claimed VT too. (Not sure about this one) In post #130 voted Thetrollie for the mention of scum PR and thought it was a slip. Was corrected that Guille was the first to mention it and then in post #141 it was stated that Thetrollie didn't read properly before answering. In post #145 that we should just quarantine town player is better and works better if that player is VT. Votes me in #178 for playing the newb card.

TheTrollie: Voted me on #52 because of my avatar driving him nuts and then said he read the thread and the vote was staying put on #53. Was quick to jump onto Sword's argument on Espeonage on Post #117. Second to mention Scum PR's in post #123 and he made it clear we should "definitely" be worried about Scum PR's.

On the Drmyshotgun Wagon:
NabakovNabakov: Right now I'm reading him as town.
D3f3nd3r: Lynched Day 1 and town aligned.
Gullie2015: Was the first to mention Scum PR's because it's a better assumption to believe they are existing rather than the latter.

I agree with this. Regardless, definitely in this context doesn't give me any hints of whether he knew or not that mafia has PRs. But assuming that mafia has PR and trying to jail mafia is safer than assuming they don't have PRs and therfore we jail Town VTs. I think the latter is a bad Idea.

He states that we either jail someone suspicious or we don't jail anyone. He votes to quarantine Thetrollie and then FoS'es Espeonage and notes that would like to vote for Espeonage, but didn't because he hasn't counted the votes.(Post #148). In post #151 he votes Espeonage because his lack of explanation on the vote against him. Also states that there is 5 votes on Espeonage already and he will be making it 6, but don't let anyone hammer since we have to decide on quarantine.


Town Reads:
Espeonage: Right now it's due to the VT claim and it's believable. Even if he was scum with a PR I don't see how scum quarantining themselves is a good move at all for scum.
NabakovNabakov

Null Reads(smack in the middle):
Drmyshotgun: Was very anxious to vote at the sheer mention of scum PR's and didn't check that the person he voted for wasn't the first to mention them.
Sword_of_Omens: Checked Image's notes on Swords and Sword barely mentioned my name and I'm also thinking that his vote could be for an easy lynch on myself.

Scum Reads:
Guillie: Stated Above.
TheTrollie: Stated above.
Bk201: Jumped on Espeonage fast due to the fact of his claim. Stated that Vt's shouldn't claim just to claim and that's its scummy approach and is not an excuse to get away with role fishing. I don't see how him claiming was role fishing. Unvotes Espeonage and was quick to jump onto Drmyshotgun's point and votes me due to the fact I look like anxious scum. His posts #1-8 was tunneling on both Me and Espeonage with one mention of Swords for thinking he's town. Then he quarantines SER and states he's okay with lynching me or Espeonage, but is okay with jailing SER or Espeonage. Day 2 starts and he's tunneling on me only and not looking else where.

Everyone else I'm undecided on.

[Malakittens]

No you are flipping Espeonage's motives to make it look like scummy. He did not at all pressure other VT's to claim. Okay, understandable that he didn't want to be the NK. There's nothing wrong with that. My point is you were basically tunneling on both Espeonage and I with some side swiping of other players. That to me is a scum tell. My point on the jailing is the fact is it wasn't clear which reasoning. Did you want to use jail to jail scum or did you want to use jail to jail town.

[Malakittens]

Null read is that they have done both scum/town things, but they are both equal in retrospect. Undecided is when I didn't get either a feeling of town/scum plays and haven't been able to put them into a group.

[Malakittens]

Honestly, I'm seeing Image as town rather than scum. Unlike others he hasn't been tunneling as much and he's giving an honest effort to scum hunt unlike others.

[Malakittens]

Mistakes happen. I wouldn't hold it against Shotty to be honest. >.>

[Malakittens]

Even if you claim properly people sometimes don't survive. -.-

[Malakittens]

I feel like there's at least one scum voting for me at this point. I was thinking BK just because of the tunneling that I stated above. Not sure why, but when someone flails I always associate them with being innocent. It's probably the wrong mindset for me to be in, but that's just my thoughts. Shotty is most likely not lying about being VT so her on the wagon is out. That leaves Swords and BK. Everyone is saying swords was obvstown, but I didn't really see that. I still have a null read on him, but it's slowly increasingly to a possible low scum read, but not enough to vote at this point.

Shotty whats your reasoning for voting me again this round?

I don't really understand the two votes on Psyche. I understand that he's most likely being voted in order to attempt to make him spur his inactivity, but there's others at this point who have almost contributed the same level, but no one has actually attempted to vote them.

As for Thetrollie's lack of posting I understand that RL gets in the way. I'm still getting a scum read because of what I stated before and the jumping on cases. More because Sword was V/LA and the jump on his first case of someone who claimed VT. He also was the only person who made a comment about Swords being quarantined. Though it's unlikely in Day 1 for scum to be defending an absent scum, but it could happen.

I'm going to

Vote: Thethrollie

I'm not sure why, but this scum read that I have got on him hasn't decreased. I'm also willing to vote BK because I also have a scum read on him, but I'm not sure what way everyone wants to go with their votes.

Honestly I urge everyone to post their thoughts.

[Malakittens]

See the thing is BK you really don't have that much of a case. You are basing your case mainly on actions or comments that I have made based on my site. The second comment I do have to say was a horrid thing for you to jump on me for. My comment there was basically saying that we most likely have a scum on one wagon, opposing wagon and one is most likely not voting. I don't think that is a bad or even scummy assumption to make, but it's town in my view. I'll have to say this again I am always jumpy when I play, but that is not a scum tell.

Maybe you aren't getting support because you might be barking up the wrong tree. You have been tunneling me mainly, but along with the side swipe of tunneling Espeonage. I'll also note you have said nothing about Espeonage today, do you think he's town or do you believe he's scum also?

[Malakittens]

Yes this is honestly my first game, besides replacing in on the Sora one. I took a few games here though. Anyways the reasons why I was talking about my site to explain my actions is to give some creditably that I'm not so new at Mafia-type related games, but new to this site.

[Malakittens]

All I have to say is WTF on Thetrollie's vote towards me.
Please explain that whole entire vote reasoning for me. Post by post because I do not understand it.

[Malakittens]

Well since I'm At L-1 I'm going to claim. I'm a vanilla townie. We need to also decide on quarantine just incase someone tries to hammer me.

[Malakittens]

Well your vote Throllie threw me at L-2 and then when Phil's was added it made it L-1. >.>

Uh, so basically your vote was a reaction test.

[Malakittens]

Oh, which stuff on which ongoing game? >.>

[Malakittens]

My fault. I'm already dead in one of them. >.>

[Malakittens]

Okay, it's dropped. Not going to push it again. My fault and my bad. :\

Anyways onto topic of this game. Quarantine we need to decide on it. >.>

[Malakittens]

I'm good with either of my top scum reads as quarantine. Phil's vote was bad, but I'm not sure if it looks like scum vibe yet. Though even though I attacked BK's case on me I don't see how it makes me scummy. I also didn't really

attack

his case. I simply stated how I disagreed with it and simply stated how it's not really true. >.>

I originally thought it was best to quarantine VT, but since we are unsure what types of roles that scum have it's better to quarantine scum. This avoids them using their role on the town. Also since the town needs to basically agree with the same basic view of quarantine. It's harder to decide if we have mixed views, but if we are decided as a whole on the same issue it avoids problems in the future.

[Malakittens]

Quarantine: bk

[Malakittens]

Yeah, I'm going to have to go back and read an old game of a town Phil. While taking a look at what you said. I agree with you though that he's barely scumhunted and his last vote had bad reasoning.

I have my vote on a BK quarantine, but I'll switch to Phil. We already have two standing votes on Phil for a quarantine not to mention unsure how others want to go.

[Malakittens]

Unquarantine:
Quarantine: Phil

[Malakittens]

Okay. When I get home I'll unvote Trollie. Personally the claim looks legit. I rather not lose a town PR, especially not a watcher. Even though he made a mistake on the name I'm not holding it against him because it happens.

( on my phone due to 4th of July and I always mess up the codes)

[Malakittens]

Unvote: Trollie

More to come tomorrow I was out all day at a 4th of July party and rather sleep at the moment.

[Malakittens]

Unvote

@Nab, I would have thought he was scum that game for the way he articulates his posts. They appear nervous and often over-explain things. That doesn't mean mala is town just for that though, he may just not have much of a difference in alignment.

VOTE: psyche

Alright, so you haven't really said anything about Psyche at all in this game. All of a sudden the pressure if off to lynch me you jump off and switch targets without explaining the case on why you switched to Psyche in the first place?

Also, the first quote the "he" you are referring to is me correct? I'm only asking for clarification here because I'm a girl and I don't want to mix up Trollie's name with mine. The last part of the first sentence "That doesn't mean Mala is town just for that though, he may not have much of a difference in alignment" doesn't make sense. If I was town how could I change to anything less than town? Either way I need you to clarify this whole thing.

I already see that Espe voted BK.

Vote: BK201

Image gets a rise in my FoS list again because of his last post. Though part of it looks more like a town agenda behind it at least second sentence part of it, but the only thing that gives me pause is that Shotty has claimed VT. Thetrollie's claim doesn't look fake at all and there could be a million reasons why he didn't get a result. I don't want to have this conversation about why because it brings a lot of WIFOM talk in it and everything is just a speculation until it's proven otherwise.

Basically your post reads to me like this: " Wow I don't know what to make of that claim. The mod slip up makes it too genuine to be fake, but it can most likely be fake because between Trollie's actions prior to the claim look scummy, but not having a result looks even scummier because there is no result. "

The dropping the whole mention of Sword was odd because Swords was also on Trollie's wagon, but you said you had a scum read on him, but dropped it. Again with the WIFOM possibilities here, but since it's all speculation until there's a flip due to a lynch or a NK. Basically if Image was to flip scum, I would highly look to looking at Swords as scum because of Image dropping his case without any indication prior to it. I would also say that if Image flipped scum that Shotty would most likely be town.

[Malakittens]

Well BK answered part of my questions, but not entirely.

I don't see how voting someone is encouragement, but that's just me.

I see that as a weak reason to vote Pysche. So, I'm fine with keeping my vote where it is.

[Malakittens]

My post #620.

My problem isn't really voting for him for the encouragement part. You more of voted him without saying anything about him prior. Which in the end made it look like I'm voting him because the people that I have previously voted are no longer taking heat and aren't getting lynched this day. But looked more like "I'm going to move my vote to someone who is an easy lynch". I agree I can't tell if he's scum or town, but the fact people are voting without explaining doesn't make me feel comfortable about the wagon.

[Malakittens]

My case on BK extends from posts #484, 501 & 621.

To sum it up:
BK hasn't really scum hunted much because he's been tunneling his posts mainly on Espeonage or Me.
He then randomly voted Psyche without an indication prior to it after my wagon switched to Trollie.
Then he made an odd comment regarding my recent finished game here which I asked for clarification regarding and he never answered it, but answered the Pysche part of my post.

[Malakittens]

Alright
@ Mod, i'll be V/LA until the 15th, but I'll still be able to post at weird times, but letting you know incase I go over the two day limit, but I shouldn't.

[Malakittens]

Can someone give me a quick recap on why Shotty's has 3 votes on him? Just either posts #'s or something..

[Malakittens]

Honestly I haven't had the time to read into the Psyche meta on different games. Maybe I'll find the time sometime tommorow.

[Malakittens]

Blah. Okay that's it. GNR isn't in this game and secondly Pysche didn't say anything of value. He mostly lurked, stated that he would post and didn't. He lurked all of Day 2 which didn't help the town at all. As my policy stands on lynching lurkers I would have lynched him, but because I have an outstanding scum read on BK I was uncomfortable voting with someone I feel is scum.
Now that Pysche has been replaced Bitmap is saying things that's not true ^( above GNR comment) or things that don't make sense.

I'm not sure if I see a scum Shotty I won't vote there.

unvote
Vote: bitmap [\b]

[Malakittens]

Oh screw you so much phone. I'm eating and then have the night planned and don't have enough time to grab the computer to fix it. Sigh, my vote is prob not valid, shit.

[Malakittens]

Okay.. Few things.

@ Phil: That really looks like role fishing. I rather have Guile ignore that question as a whole.

@ Trollie: Having two non results is rather convenient for that claim. It makes me seriously question your role as a whole.

@ BK: The fact you aren't 'revealing' your role makes me wonder whether or not you have a scum role rather than a town role. I'm not going to attempt to role fish, but I'm just saying it looks bad that you 'soft claimed'. Sorry the post just reeks of scum. >.>

@ Sword's Night kill. I guess one of my WIFOM theories have been proven wrong. This still doesn't lower my suspicions on Image though.

Whoever made the comment about quarantining the second suspicious player I agree highly. Again we need to decide as a whole.

I fell asleep before last deadline for the lynch and didn't see Bitmap's role claim. It's like balls at the most because his last few posts were giving me town vibes.

[Malakittens]

I don't see how I'm being aggressive or commanding nor am I being cautious either. The Swords NK was odd because I would have figured that one of the two (Trollie or Bk) would have been killed. Mainly because it looks like a watcher could be an easy threat and BK's soft claim of his role could be that's he hiding a strong town PR. Now because neither got killed I am thinking that one or even possibility of both could be scum.

I don't see how a blind watcher would be realistic. So either you are lying about being a watcher or the scum has a RB PR.

[Malakittens]

How are you not inclined to not vote for BK when you just stated that you wondered why he wasn't killed. Personally due to BK not being Nk'd after he stated that he has a role along with him not wanting to reveal it. While he continuously decides to be scummy in his actions. Telling that Trollie needed to watch him because he was sure he was going to get Nk'd.. All of that seems scummy plays to me and not town.

Vote:BK

[Malakittens]

I'm not asking or attempting to get you to claim. I'm just saying it's a scummy thing to attempt to direct where roles should target for that night. Your soft claim doesn't make me feel any different because I believe you are most likely scum trying to hide a PR rather than town hiding a PR.

[Malakittens]

We look forward to it!

[Malakittens]

My scum reads are as follows:

BK, Trollie and a slight scum read on Image. I'm willing to Quarantine any of the three.
Nab's posts were giving me town feels, but now that he has decided to game flake I have to reconsider and wait for Sal to post to make a new feel.

Quarantine: Trollie

BK I still don't see how you are going after Shotty for a lynch. If he was scum why in a realistic point would he have easily just given himself up for a lynch. I could only see that apply if he was trying to start a counter lynch to avoid BK being lynched. I still don't see how that's productive to their team. The only reasonable thing I can think of is that Shotty doesn't have that strong of a PR and that BK has a stronger one. This could mean that they talked in QT to discuss who to save in case this situation would occur.

@ BK: Why did you chose to hide behind Guillie and I on the nights that you did and why would you not hide behind someone tonight?

[Malakittens]

Yep, I'm waiting for Sal to give his reads. I'm hoping we soon find a replacement for Phill.

[Malakittens]

Tunnel me moar Trollie. >.> You aren't even giving thoughts about the ongoing discussion.

[Malakittens]

Alright, I know we need to decide on a lynch, but we also need to decide on to quarantine.

I would like to hear Sal's and Vismaior's thoughts before anyone else votes either Shotty or BK to L-1. Also rushing the lynch before the replacements have time to post their thoughts isn't helpful, so please give them time.

As I already stated I'm willing to vote quarantine on Bk, Trollie or Image.
I would like everyone to post the people they are willing to vote quarantine. You can vote them also if you like.

@ Richard; There's an error in the vote count. My vote is on BK and it says I'm not voting. I believe that second me is supposed to be Trollie.

Should be fixed now ~ Mod

[Malakittens]

We decided as a town it's better to quarantine a top scum read, but we all need to majority agree on who to quarantine. We are aiming for the scum RBer though, yes.

[Malakittens]

Sorry half asleep. Here's my Q vote.

Unquarantine:
Quarantine:Bk

Still waiting for Sal to post reads and I'll look over Vais in the mOrning

[Malakittens]

unquarantine:
Quarantine: Sal

[Malakittens]

Well Sal promised us reads and hasnt returned with them. The second replacement posted his before her. I'm still waiting on them, but if they don't appear soonish I'm thinking possible scum tbh :/

[Malakittens]

Mmk.

[Malakittens]

@ Trollie: Who did you watch last night and any result on it?

@ Sal: No, it's better off you don't claim.

[Malakittens]

@ Trollie why pick Image? Also, did you receive in terms of the wording was it the same as the others?

@ Espe: I'm willing to vote Trollie so you do have a bit of support, but I'm not sure about others.

[Malakittens]

Cause I don't necessarily believe he is what he's claiming.

I'm not sure that Image was a more supported town read than Guille. Image had a lot more players who was willing to vote him than Guille did.

Trollie can you just explain what your criteria is to get a more supported town read? Maybe that's where we are bumping heads. I just want clarification.

[Malakittens]

Eh at you both.

[Malakittens]

Eh. I know I'm town because I'm VT. I'm not sure if Sal is the Rber because the only night that Trollie didn't get blocked was when Sal was quartanined. I believe Bk is town and I also believe ESP is too.

Unless of course Trollie is scum and he decided to move an easy lynch onto Sal by trying to mislynch him in lyLo. By saying he wasn't RBed and it was the same night Sal was Q'ed.

I think I'll vote for Trollie, I still don't necessarily think he's town and I'm leaning heavily on scum.

Vote: Trollie
Quarantine: me

I'm quarantining myself because right now I lead in majority and since Guille was confirmed town due to Bk's claim and Guille was killed I'm thinking I might be next if we mislynch today.

[Malakittens]

You can't not two nights in a row.

[Malakittens]

Oh I think I just uncovered Trollie's scum plan. Cause he's lashing out like a scum would do like retaliation votes. He had intent to vote me.

You know Trollie you can lynch me even though I'm Quarantied right?

[Malakittens]

@Trollie: You realise that it's pretty likely that Sal changed his mind about the use of quarantine in the two days between those posts and after reading the entire thread which included several pages of us discussing it, right? Also, if he was the scum RB as you suggest, why would he beg the mod to let him self-quarantine?

Actually no. You thought Sal was admitting to being the RBer and Image was the first to say that Sal probably wasn't.

[Malakittens]

You keep back pedaling. I think you are scum and now you are nervous and pointing fingers at anyone to start a counter wagon.

[Malakittens]

mala is clear scum so BK is scum too.
I am the one who said Sal may not he RB bc he quarantined himself.

intent to vote mala

Alright below is Trollie explaining to us there is a RB'er. Most of the posts are related to Sal due to the Quarantined state and Trollie being "blocked" on N1&2, but not on N3.

oh, sorry, didnt mean to quote those, but while i did:

sooo...is that you saying you are the scum RB?

I also believe the probability is high of Sal being the mafia RB. After i correctly guessed the NK twice, and revealed my role, it would make no sense for the mafia RB to not target me last night. I'm pretty sure a RB on BK is pointless because (a) he claimed he would not be hiding last night (b) I don't think he can be targeted by the RB if he does hide and (c) even if he can be RB'd, scum would chose not to RB him since if he hid behind scum it was game-over. Unless they know of someone else with a power role they wanted to block, i dont see them making the decision to block anyone else but me. I am fairly certain they did not block me though, because my result was different than the first two nights, and the first two nights I was definitely the RB target because i got no result on an NK. I also believe to not have been targeted last night because it seems that my power did work, rather than a no result, i was told that i had not seen someone target image.

I still think the phil slot is town, and therefore vis is town.

EVERYBODY: no one has commented on my analysis in 961. the quarantining points to sal as mafia RB but if sal is mafia RB why would he have cared so much about quarantining himself? He could have easily just accepted that it was twilight and that he escaped quarantine.

Players kept telling Trollie that Sal couldn't necessarily be the RB'er because of the begging of the mod to self-quarantine during N3. If Sal is indeed scum he could have done the self-quarantine beg to look more town, but I personally don't think a scum would take that approach. I'm leaning on town read on Sal.

I think Scum Trollie was trying to push the idea through the town as Sal being the RB'er, but it backfired on him. Which is leaving him to point fingers at other players.

[Malakittens]

Yeah was a great game by all. Nice job on the win by my team mates.

I had a rocky start, but managed to pull it through,

[Malakittens]

I scum slipped in the post I voted Trollie . I'm kinda glad no one saw it and put major light to it.