The Red Wedding - The Goose is Loose

[Nachomamma8]

First I was Walda. Now I'm trying to kill her father.
What a wonderful world this is.

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Vote: Generic

Mollie, can I borrow your vote for this one? It's a theory, but it has the potential to be a damn good one.

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dear nacho

I would give you my vote but why did you have to drop your tr kill tell in your very first post

and borealis up the thread in your very first post

why
why you go do that

I would follow you to the ends of the earth cos I love you but I think I might have to lynch you and I don't wanna cos I want you to be town.

love

mollie

dear mollie

ffery's and your kill tells on me suck pretty hard

i asked for your vote so i could read someone but you couldn't even do that for me?
instead i have to put up with your paranoia and ignore you again

thanks for nothing

nacho

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so far I think fery and I have been batting a 100% when we have spotted it so

Did someone not like their logic class?

I wouldn't do what I do professionally if I hated logic.

The reason it makes me want to lynch you is because as I said the last time you applied symbolic logic to a player's informal English, it's irrelevant to what the person is trying to say. And you were all yeah no it still applies.

You were scum in that game, so now I want to lynch you. And you know what else? Nacho dropped his tell!

VOTE: Vegito

One bullshit kill tell ruined forever, one more to go.

Nacho - if you wanted o test out omething on generic, why did you only appeal to mollie for it?

Because I thought she would follow with minimal fuss and I wouldn't have to explain myself to her. I dig that type of teamwork.

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Amrun, Generic, Tierce, Tammy, Reck, Mollie, AV, Ank, Venmar town.

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Vote: Killer

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Vote: Dekes

Apple's also town.

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Mollie, do you know why I have a townread on Apple?

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udes actively avoiding the thread. Pick your poison. Vote count says I'm already on CDB, so it's all good.

you just showed up
why are they deliberately avoiding the thread and you were just busy?

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they're posting elsewhere or some shit
because they are soooo afraid to post things on page 8?

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all three have lurking tendencies, so I think they're doing their lurking tendency thing.

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III) Unvoting is not required, but is much appreciated by the mods.

I'm not nice enough to unvote, Generic.

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Also, unless I'm co fusing you with another player (on my phone so it's all small text) have you just attempted to vote for apple and then cleared him as town? Erratic to the extreme, what's with the meltdown?

I didn't really think he was that scummy when I voted him, but I didn't mind turning up the pressure. His response reminded me of somebody that I used to know.

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Neither does CDB in the games I checked.

are you kidding me

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Guess, it's a matter of opinion then whether they're laying low (don't act as if scum never do that) or just lurking for other reasons.

like a slow start after the recent crash?

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and yeah, scum do it, but it's a bit early to grab the pitchforks for lurkers

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How is that a valid reason to attempt to cut off a wagon at its ankles?

Because I saw the light and the light said that the KillerApple wagon was bad. He reminds me of a player who I played a newbie game with who sort of had a tendency to self-destruct and I saw a flash of similarities. I don't like to press newbies when they're going to self-destruct, especially when we can read them when they have room and there are a whole bunch of other scum to catch out.

mebbe

the triple dog dare and the "reck is the towniest person here".

he reminds me of the love of my life.

Lol I have no control. I will most likely be lynched.

this in particular is something I hear a lot.

I don't get the dekes vote and you seem really scattered.

I am scattered. I didn't like Dekes setting up to jump on the Apple wagon while calling active people scummy and then going lurker hunting when he first jumped in the thread. The fact that he followed posts showed that he was looking to attack lurkers from the get go, and it's just so easy to attack a low activity player and then jump onto the big wagon, and it lets him gauge the tide of things before hopping on. So I don't like him and I want him to die.

what do you think of broguy and nexus I forget

ummm
I didn't really like BRO's opening and I don't remember seeing a Nexus post.

nacho no shut up apple is scum

you're a bully

However, Dekes gets scum points for attacking lurkers, especially this early in the game. I also really don't like how he chose to keep voting for a "lurker" rather than voting for Nacho or Apple, both of whom he has called scummy in the same post. On a logical level, that makes no sense to me.

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And when KA flip town, I'm your designated shepherd? Sounds like a deal to me.

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are you missing faraday? I am.

faraday totally isn't in this game
i wanted to wait to break the news to you but I thought it wasn't a good time

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And when KA flip town, I'm your designated shepherd? Sounds like a deal to me.

I'll trade you lynch for lynch.

And ruin my perfect town win for no reason?

KA said he has a mafia record off-site, so I think he has potential to be confident scum in any case. Not to mention Newb scum do dumb things :/

This is fitting the player to the read. No wonder people don't like you this game, Venny.

If I weren't voting Andrius I'd be voting Metal Sonic or Ankamius

What are you doing?

Regardless, I'd like to hear this whole bunch. Apart from your town list and your not attacking the lurker that leaves me and who else?

Tamuz, maybe BRO. No one else, really.

Also I don't agree with treating Newbies with kid gloves here. This ain't the Road to Rome. You don't have to be an asshole but I see no problem with people pressuring the weak to get results.

I treat everyone with kid gloves when they implode because it's extraordinarily easy to mislynch someone when they're being irrational and crazy, and some people respond to pressure better than others. It's just a different approach; if you don't mind people being rough, why do you care about people being gentle?

What's your impression of KA before he imploded?

What's my read of the guy that I think is town before he made that post I thought was town?
Ummm...

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Oh my god, just die, take a crossbow to the face or something.

yo you do look a lot less town than everyone else on that wagon

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tammy i said av was town but you didn't care

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Nacho, why is your vote on Dekes? You should put it somewhere useful. Was AV's vote on Tierce before or after RVS?

There's a time for compromise and there's a time for vanity wagons. When you of all people is a main wagon, then I'm not compromising with anyone because no one knows what the fuck is going on.

in other news, nacho is still scum but of course nobody wants to lynch him cos they never do

I thought I dismantled your scumread on me ages ago
Such a shame.

Sitting on a train right now. I think I'm caught up, but because phone posting sucks and because there's too much shit going on, I'll wait till I'm back home tomorrow before I get a proper post in. See you then.

I'm shivering in anticipation. Don't disappoint.

I have played a lot of games with nacho. he and I usually work together in a way where we usually catch scum and I am just not feeling it. it is an andy game so I would think he would put more effort into it.

woah woah woah
It is an andy game so of course I'm going to give this game some love as either alignment. Meaning if I'm not that engaged, it's probably because I know I won't have a whole lot of time on my hands and am not really that able to do cool things yet and can only identify scum which everyone ignored because they are reading me as scum for being lazy

If I had a bullet, it would have Nacho's name on it. Post 171 is what my I-finally-caught-Nacho-scum dreams are made of (no, #175 doesn't fix it, you should know FAR before then that KillerApple is Town). Can we move on to a later Day where that lynch is viable? I'm asking nicely.

I've only been paying attention to things that hit me on the head in obvious ways because I am a busy man doing busy things. Although, I am interested in the scum motivation you find behind me putting might behind an early wagon and then immediately moving to dismantle it. You think I was trying to build up momentum against him and then destroy it immediately?

one dead Venmar, one dead Amrun

It's funny because I think both of these people are town at the moment. Amrun, not AS much, but your case on Venmar is because he's being lazy as fuck and that's not really a case that gets my blood pumping.
But if we could get a wagon on Dekes going, that would get my blood pumping. That would make my spirit fly free. At least address the reasoning; don't let the easy scumlynch slip into a lame lurker lynch or some crap.

Tierce might be town.. i don't remember her walling in a game im thinking of where she was scum, need to read into that.

she can wall as scum
I however, cannot, so I'm confirmed town at this point and you should sheep me onto Dekes

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I can't yet read Metal Sonic. I expect this will change in like two weeks max, but no case that people have brought up on him so far are pretty lame. This is par for the course as long as the metal man goes, although his aggravation certainly feels like what I'd like to call town-Sonic. And hell, if he asks me to whiteknight him then he can't be scum.

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TAMUZ
I read this awfully interesting discussion in MD about something you like to call ASR. I don't understand it so well, but I would love if you showed me the chart I'm assuming you have for this game. And if you don't have a chart, maybe we can have a talk of what you're thinking of and wonderful things like that because I haven't seen shit from you so far except that vote for the mod.

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my boy BRO seems to be scum as fuck this game

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Yeah, yeah, I know I promised a post and especially Nacho will be disappointed as hell. But I didn't feel like spending time on this yesterday and now I might as well wait for Andy. If true, I'm not opposed to the shot. Or so my gut says. Regardless, MS is annoying as fuck to read. Continue.

1) Using the daykill in order to stall? Holy fuck scum tactic.
2) Announcing approval of the shot even though his approval doesn't matter worth shit is just artificial content.

@ nacho

no. just no. you never dismantled my scum read on you. you would have to be town in order to do that.

sorry, i guess i was just having one of my psychic visions again.

Noooo why is metal sonic not fucking quicklynched?

This is an interesting turn of events, though.

he's probably town

Last fake dayvig I saw came from scum. Metal Sonic's attempt here looks no better. Someone is going to have to link me to some games with town fake dayvigging before I consider him as town.

Why didn't you spring for him instead of sheep Venmar, then?

CDB and Nexus and Amrun and Metal Sonic and Venmar join the HARD TOWN pile. Generic townread getting stale as fuck, Dekes scumread is still mighty and I seriously have no idea why I'm all alone on that wagon.

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reck reck it rhymes with lurky scum that's about to get wrecked (if he doesn't step it up soon)

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Nacho you're here too sweet. Hi.

I might be willing to give you my vote, dekes is in my scumpile too. (Full list forthcoming)

i was sort of hoping you would replace into the maybe scum, maybe town slot instead of the obvtown slot

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^

stalling scum

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Can you explain how Nexus entered your hard townpile?

I'm trusting CDB's read on him. I don't see CDB get strong townreads like the Nexus read often, I know they've been running the Podcast together/met each other at LEAST at the UK meet, so they're probably pretty familiar with each other as a bonus.

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Okay CDB is probably my strongest town read right now. In the Wire we had a whole meta discussion about CDB and how he tends to lurk as scum.

It's not that he can't post actively as scum, it's that posting actively as scum drains him more than it does most people, thus the lurking excessively. So at this point in time I'll never lynch him unless he literally disappears. That being said, I've actually liked the content he's been bringing forward lately and it certainly hasn't been the middle of the road drivel I'm used to when CDB is scum, so, he's probably town regardless of activity.

Here...right here. I think you might be town. Can you guess why?

I might be able to, but I absolutely love people giving me reasons why I'm town.

In fact Nacho, I'm not a big fan of some of the other wagons and my RVS vote has been on you for a pathetically long time. I'm going to help you out here:

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I really hope that Tierce is taking notes right now because this vote right here is beautiful.

Nacho--kindly explain why you were giving a pass for Venmar for being lazy when I imagine you've seen him bring out posts like that Nexus case before (and he did say he used to wall). Seems quite a bit of disparity in attitudes, and I wouldn't call it being lazy. Having trouble finding traction on the game, maybe, I've been there. He found it, and he's scumhunting, so I'm okay with him. But it didn't read as laziness then, and it doesn't read as having-been-laziness now. Why did you think Venmar was being lazy?

I just mislynched the fuck out of Venmar in a recent game because he was being lazy. So hey, Venmar can be lazy and that isn't that really that reliable of an alignment tell because Venmar is occasionally lazy. And when he's lazy scum, he has no options and I can sit back and watch him try to hobble onto wagons sneakily and nail the fuck out of him when he does it. But I'd rather not push him for being lazy because lazy Venmar is too easy to lynch.

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hey dummy, I am not pissed at all you fucking tard if you read the goddamn thread I have been saying that I could see you being town. stop being a pansy-assed drama queen and pay attention plz.

mollie, you sound a little upset!

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Oh gods, this game again.

So, I thought, I'd change my strategy, take a look at the main wagons, vote the nicer looking one and go from there. However, both leading wagons look gods awful.

VOTE: Desperado

I'm not sure whether I read any post of him, but sheeping Tierce seems like a good place for now.

Yes, I'm well aware of my uselessness thus far in this game and that this isn't my usual play style (lurky yes, lazy no). I could make some promises now, but you may put up with this for a while longer until I get this thing sorted out (or it gets sorted out by itself by losing some of the more annoying players).

bullshit

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"Voted for fun" implies that Generic made his previous vote and unvote on Nacho as a random RVS votes. This is significant as it informs us that Generic is not very eager to scumhunt and is more content with staying in RVS which does not benefit the town.

It's not perfectly optimal, but generally human beings aren't.

However, this is impossible as a reaction coming from town, as town would not be happy to get wagoned Day 1. The excessive use of smiley in the post imply that Generic is indeed nervous and worried due to the wagon, and his attempt to brush it off or not to seem affected by the excessive use of "happy" smilies only seeks to prove this further. Generic is extremely nervous and anxious and his attempt to hide this suggests that he is the scum.

Town maybe would not be happy to get wagonned Day 1, but it was also page 2 so there wasn't any REAL threat of getting lynched. Some people enjoy the adrenaline rush, some people are a little crazy, you could be missing the sarcasm. Smilies aren't real scumtells either. Scum don't feel nervous and write a nervous post and then add a smiley at the end in order to make sure that things look better. Smiling in real life is a reaction we make in real life to diffuse feelings of awkwardness, which usually sends a nice tingly feeling to us because hey, it feels good when people smile at you. That tingly feeling doesn't exist so naturally at something you know is without a soul so it doesn't look as natural, BUT it's not like pressing colon + closing parenthesis is a natural reaction from someone unless they already use smilies excessively.

This post is scummy because Generic attempts to pass off a scumread on Apple without contributing anything in particular.

Sheeping has been flying around all over this game. Why is Generic's sheeping the worst?

Additionally, he goes on with an extremely redundant and easy-to-make question which goes "who are your top three suspects for mafia?" This question to the current wagon-at-hand is contentless and easy to generate. It can clearly be seen that Generic did not put any thought at all into his question to KA, which shows that Generic was posting fluff. His attempt to make it sound like a question implies that Generic is trying to appear to contribute, however in actuality his contributions are contentless.

It's easy, it's redundant, but it's damn good and I haven't seen another universal question that works when you want to give someone a chance. So it's still a perfectly valid one and it doesn't really point to scum at all.

implies that Generic is merely riding on the cases provided by others against KA and is blindly or purposely following their vote on what seems to be an easy mislynch.

or is just referring to Reck's additional case? I don't really know what you're talking about here.

This post is scummy because Generic refuses to provide his reads or opinion on "player X is town".

On this, I'm fairly confident that that he was just confused with how he was supposed to rephrase.

there is no evidence to show that Generic even read the case at all, and it could have been possible that he skimmed the wall of text and proclaimed it "very good", as it does not show any content knowledge of the said "case".

There's also no evidence to show that he skimmed the wall of text and proclaimed it very good.

But all in all, Generic's been sheeping and agreeing a shit ton more than he should be at this point so I'm interested in that.
I'll ISO him after my reread, although Dekes is scum enough to the point where I probably still won't be budging from him, but Generic might be a fine lynch for tomorrow.

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You amused me. Not made me laugh outright enough to make you solid town, but amusement...

we share this towntell
i usually lynch scum with a stern angry face
or a disappointed, sad look

Wait Nacho - In the post you responded to me about, I told you that if you discussed Generic with me that would be really awesome. Why did you ignore that part?

I missed it, but we can talk Generic in a little while and it will be really awesome.

#80 - Everytime i have returned to this i have found good cases already raised, or am defending a point made against me or answering a question asked to me. I have placed votes when i see reason to and have reassessed when needed to.

I think this is the biggest problem. If you're town, you can't follow cases blindly even if good ones are already in thread. A vote is a contribution, but it's a contribution that can be easily mimicked. Give us that independent thought process so that the rest of the scum are easier to nail. It also surprises me that someone experienced in mafia like you is having trouble coming up with contributions of his own.

Six posts in a row, desperate man.

I'm probably going to hit 6 posts.
They won't be desperate.

CDB
CDB
I am glad you are finally
finally
town

BUT

you gotta do more than just tell me to lynch someone otherwise I'm just going to lynch the people I wanna lynch and scream while everybody tries the same thing until I find a good compromise/people see the light.

You missed where he scumslipped his expectation to survive the night phase then.

Do you expect differently?

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I'll do Generic and Dekes deeper cases tomorrow, I'm getting a little tired and there are higher priority games to catch up on (although I do love you guys!).

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Frankly, Nacho, Day 1 being Day 1, it should be enough to pool scumreads and lynch the most popular.

Wait, does that mean that you are going to give me your vote and let me lynch my scumread? I'm actually fucking amazing at lynching scum D1, so you're increasing your chances and the effort I have to put into the game goes down a little bit and everything is wonderful.

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I was saying that he's probably not going to be killed during the night unless a vig wants to shoot him and anyone who knows how this game works knows that.

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Although can I borrow your vote for today? I think that we're a little more likely to be inaccurate with people who are sucking all enjoyment out of the game, and I would love if you helped me with this Dekes wagon because he is not taking me seriously even though he's obvious scum and he's frustrating the hell out of me. I just ask that you help get him talking and then hopefully he'll do the rest. I'm talking with Metal Sonic already and plan to be talking with him since he's talking and he never does, so you have me looking at the case from a different angle.

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Who are you wanting it on?

Cos if its me, forget it!

you are town, sorry for making that clearer
yes please vote Dekes.

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That will be as far as it goes, barring more replacements.

More replacements, can we have a new deadline? Please?
Plus Mos-Faire.