Obvscum trying to make a silly joke. You're probably Lord Frey.In post 4, Nachomamma8 wrote:First I was Walda. Now I'm trying to kill her father.
What a wonderful world this is.
In post 68, Amrun wrote:He quickly read me as town with very little to base it off -- not sure what I did that made him think that, BUT it showed me that he was townhunting early on, and noting it in thread, which says to me he's trying to move the game along. It's not
Calling someone town for very little reason is a town tell for you? Please to be coming up with a better reason for scum than this. This is one of those wiki tells that gets under my skin every time someone uses it and makes me immediatley suspect them. It really is no better than random that this works.In post 85, Venmar wrote: There's something about holding the 3rd spot on the wagon that shows remarkable results for being a scum spot..
In post 131, KillerApple wrote:He explained himself well, therefore he is town.In post 126, xRECKONERx wrote:whyIn post 115, KillerApple wrote:Generic is coming across as frustrated townie so...
@Generic- The logic does suck. But it happens to me all the time.
Explaining oneself well makes them town? If that were the case scum would never win games In post 314, Tammy wrote:Prod dodge. I was hoping to get to this during layovers today but ended up not have time. I'll try to get back tonight. This head is still v\la until Sunday, and I don't know where my other head is.
How so? You said he called you town for some reason that you don't know of, and it made you think he was town. Sounds like you consider that a town tell to me. What I'm wondering is why?In post 163, Amrun wrote:That's an arbitrary oversimplification.In post 156, tsunami wrote:In post 68, Amrun wrote:He quickly read me as town with very little to base it off -- not sure what I did that made him think that, BUT it showed me that he was townhunting early on, and noting it in thread, which says to me he's trying to move the game along. It's not
It had to do with the context and the stage in the game. Page 2 and page 50 are different beasts.
KillerApple needs a case of the death.
No, what I was wondering why you *only* appealed to mollie. I think if you were forming a pressure wagon, there are more than just mollie that you could appeal to to work with that would have achieved that and maybe had greater benefit.In post 169, Nachomamma8 wrote:Because I thought she would follow with minimal fuss and I wouldn't have to explain myself to her. I dig that type of teamwork.In post 162, tsunami wrote:Nacho - if you wanted o test out omething on generic, why did you only appeal to mollie for it?
Yay! It's a date.In post 199, macmollie wrote:
I like where tsunami's head is at. and we can braid each other's hair anytime she wants.
He's a lurk sack as scum too. In nightless when I started suspecting him for ignoring the game, he let me know the only thing I was suspecting him for was lurking and that it wasn't valid or something, can't remember the specifics, but I do know I got a healthy dose of omgus for suspecting him when he was scum.In post 260, macmollie wrote: if I remember correctly, town MS is a lurksack but I have never seen him hide from accusations behind the number of his posts. but I may have to dig a little deeper into this. if I can be bothered
I'm a she, not a he or an it, and you know this. Why aren't you interacting with me to get a better read on me? Does it bother you so much when people actually question your motivations?In post 313, Amrun wrote:I could go through pbp and say things that bothered me, but it's. i thing truly concrete. None of his posts sit well. I just want it dead.In post 306, KillerApple wrote:Agreed about CDB. Why do you have an urge to lynch tsunami?In post 305, Amrun wrote:Wheeeeeee nexus is town. So is CDB. In fact, CDB is more town than Nexus.
I have a growing urge to lynch tsunami
Nexus, you don't like anything I do ever -- but curious, why so wishy washy about it? Shit or get off the pot, so to speak.
That would be a convenient super power. I would love to be able to know what posts I haven't read yet have said. Now see I mentioned feeling iffy about amrun quite a while ago, why is her saying something about me in a post I hadn't read clouding my judgment, but not my statements about her clouding hers?In post 322, KillerApple wrote:It probably feels off to you because Amrun mentioned you in post 305 and post 313. It's clouding your judgement. I don't see anything wrong with that convo.In post 320, tsunami wrote:I'm not liking the amrun end of the convo with mollie. Feels off.
I MEAN HUMAN DESTROYER.In post 331, Metal Sonic wrote:unless you meant another person
else we must kick this girl for lying
Though. I remember you being more active and giving thoughts in that game, how come nothing here? I don't get the trajectory that you're taking this conversation at all? You said that he read you as town based on of no real reasoning at all, and you read him as town for it because it showed he was town hunting. Here's my problem, and I can't believe I actually have to explain this to you because it should be rather clear. Youre calling him town based off of him calling you town for nearly no reason. For you to call it an oversimplification misses my point and question entirely. You do realize that scum know who the town are, therefore someone calling someone else town for nearly no reason at all does not make them town. It is in fact suspicious because it can demonstrate evidence of someone who is not actually scumhunting. That's why I get a bit paranoid when people call me town too early or for doing very little. For instance right now, not many people should be thinking I'm town. I haven't really done anything. I'm scattered and trying to steal time to contribute and it's scattered. If anyone is town reading me it's either because they know me and they know I'm far far more likely to attempt to contribute to a game like this when I don't have the time as town when as scum I'm far more likely to hide behind my v/la especially when people know that my recent busyness is real and pretty damn important and is documented. Or maybe some read me as town based on gut based on me going through the game gut reading as I have a chance. But if someone were to have me as a town read for no reason at all, that's suspicious as far as I'm concerned because it doesn't show me they're thinking about the game. It also worries me because I sometimes think scum don't want to deal with me and therefore read me as town in hopes of avoiding me going after them.In post 325, Amrun wrote:Tsunami, it had nothing to do with him reading ME town. It was the context of the read, how he shared it, etc. that came off townie to me.
Though why someone reading you as town when you are town would be suspicious to you I have no idea.
My point in mentioning page 50 is to contrast stages of the game. When this happened, it was page 2, which is quite different contextually from page 50 (or mid to late game) which is what your phrasing suggested.
Why are you so concerned with tearing down my townread of AV?
What's your read on me? On AV?
Blame this UN hydra post on a total lack of sleep.In post 344, Tammy wrote:I've caught scum from their first post before.In post 341, Metal Sonic wrote:lmao its ok
lets have a fun chat
KillerApple is either scum or nutters, he called me "scummy"(not lurking, but SCUMMY) when i had only one rvs post #10 in the game
what do you think about that?
I think that killer apple is a little crazy in some of his theories but is more likely town
So, do you selectively read posts that suit you and refuse to actually see points? I signed my first post. I've posted out of hydra twice. Metal sonic referred to me by name. So did nacho. How you can't realize by now that the person you are talking to is Tammy is beyond me and is worrying me for what you are wholesale disresgarding. Now, if you still want to say you've never played with me before, get to a doctor stat.In post 357, Amrun wrote:Sorry for mistaking your gender, but I've never played with you before, so your indignation seems a little overblown. I have been called "he" hundreds of times on this site alone and it never got my panties in a twist.In post 329, tsunami wrote:I'm a she, not a he or an it, and you know this. Why aren't you interacting with me to get a better read on me? Does it bother you so much when people actually question your motivations?In post 313, Amrun wrote:I could go through pbp and say things that bothered me, but it's. i thing truly concrete. None of his posts sit well. I just want it dead.In post 306, KillerApple wrote:Agreed about CDB. Why do you have an urge to lynch tsunami?In post 305, Amrun wrote:Wheeeeeee nexus is town. So is CDB. In fact, CDB is more town than Nexus.
I have a growing urge to lynch tsunami
Nexus, you don't like anything I do ever -- but curious, why so wishy washy about it? Shit or get off the pot, so to speak.
I am trying to engage you, and you have given large walls without ACTUALLY doing that. STILL haven't answered my questions to you, in fact.
The whole crux of the issue seems to be that you have assumed, with no reason, that AV town read me for no reason. This is highly unlikely to be the case. AV and I have played together a lot and so have an easier time reading each other than some.
But let's disregard that for a minute. Throwing out unexplained townreads shows something on page 2 that it doesn't on page 50. Later on in the game, scum have to have townreads to appear to have genuine reads. Therefore the standard of understandable town reads shifts. On page 2, scum are not obligated to do this -- in fact, doing so boxes them in more than necessary so they avoid it. Of course some scum will do it anyway to appear town, but the WAY AV did it appeared genuine to me.
You trying to undermine my town read on AV without calling him OR me scum is noncommittal and scummy, which is what AV isn't doing.
I didn't say "without any reason" though, I said "for very little reason."In post 361, Amrun wrote:I said "with little to go off of." In no way does that say "without any reason."
My other head seems to have left me, so I'm the only one who's posted here.amrun wrote: I didn't realize you were Tammy, or I probably did at some point but forgot. I try to treat hydrae as separate entities because their meta isn't the same as the individual composing players. I kind of forgot you were a hydra today, at least. Chances are i noted it in my brain at some point.
That actually changes things a bit in my mind -- the things that were bothering me about you I don't find particularly alignment indicative in Tammy. Okay.
But you need to realize something. You're trying to criticize me for town reading a post that doesn't exist anymore. You can't even evaluate it for yourself, which is one of the things I found alarming about the whole line of inquiry. How do you expect to determine my motivation if you can't even see the impetus?
But in general... Your heckles are up, and I wasn't the only person to mention AV, so why single me out? That I couldn't understand. But my worries are eased and I think you're more likely to be town, in fact.
In post 404, Amrun wrote:KA and Venmar unlikely to be scum together, IMO.
But apparently Venmar's been dropping character hints; I didn't pay attention to jokes in regards to this. But KA was looking for it, apparently, so that's scummy.
Or he's read the books and knows the flavor pretty well and it jumped out at him? I could probably tell you who a couple of people are going to claim based on their jokes, but then again I learned mafia at the westeros forum comprised of ASOIAF geeks so... How about you give your opinion on metal sonic.In post 433, Generic wrote:Apologies for this lazy request, but since I've been a bit out of the loop over the weekend, can someone briefly summarise the case against metal sonic?
It appears to have some momentum and I'm intrigued as to why.
Otherwise when I have time later I will Iso his posts and see for myself.
In post 443, Venmar wrote:
Tierce might be town.. i don't remember her walling in a game im thinking of where she was scum, need to read into that.
Melting down under pressure is not a scumtell; it's personality based.In post 454, Generic wrote:Everybody is scum, nothing to do with your meltdown under pressure.
Here...right here. I think you might be town. Can you guess why?In post 459, Nachomamma8 wrote:she can wall as scumIn post 443, Venmar wrote:Tierce might be town.. i don't remember her walling in a game im thinking of where she was scum, need to read into that.
I however, cannot, so I'm confirmed town at this point and you should sheep me onto Dekes
This makes metal sonic more likely town. I do remember in nightless metal's other head thinking he had to come in and save metal from a mislynch that he insinuated was an easy occurence although metal looked more town than his other head ironically. Don't know about metal's meta besides that game, but I think he was referring to another site? cause it seemed like his other head, he and another player knew each other from elsewhere. So, yes, some of his play has been annoying, but his appeal to town to read his vca? Town.In post 486, Metal Sonic wrote:primarily i am making myself helpful in respect for the mod
<3 Andy sorry for my bad behaviour earlier I'll make it up by scumhunting okay!~~!
and to town: read my VCA at page 19
Marketplace II had BB as a town dayvig. Most of us thought it was fake though until it went through.In post 501, Nexus wrote:When was the last time a Dayvig was actually a real thing and it was public? I'm struggling to remember.
Need to look at the reactions, but anyone saying MS has to be scum is probably stupid. Bad, yes, scum, i'd say not.
I don't do lists.In post 509, macmollie wrote: @ nexus
the only people who avoid providing lists when asked are either scum or stupid/stubborn town. thinking the latter. I was hoping to be able to work with you but I guess not
In what game was Metal scum? Because when he was talking to me a few nights ago he said he didn't have scum meta.In post 517, macmollie wrote:ty cos if something happens to you in the night round I am going to be working from that list.In post 511, Nexus wrote:That is also my usual solution to people whining about wanting reads - i'll do a minor compromise.
okay so here is why I wanna lynch apple. I don't believe her when she says she read metal's previous games. it isn't in his wiki and I had to dig pretty hard through his posts in order to pull up 2 games, 1 in which he was scum and the other was a hydra and was town. this is nothing like his scum game so instead of saying, "he does this all of the time so he is probably town" if she read those games it should have been "well he was scum in the game I read and here is acting totally different". not to mention apple said earlier in the game she is still getting used to this site but she knows it well enough to do a hard to do meta-dive?
fuck that shit I think she is lying and is scum. unless metal can cough up some more completed games that is prolly where our vote will wind up.
This is not scummy. If anything this makes him more likely town as scum he would more likely give a couple reads to fend off accusations like this. This can be a scum tell for newbs who just don't know what they're doing, but I don't see it in Nexus. And besides the past couple times I saw Nexus as scum he barely posted. The fact that he's been pretty active reads town to me.In post 536, Venmar wrote:Nobody will care because it's Venmar, but I think Nexus is scum, like HARD.
To begin with, Nexus has spent practically the entire game not giving any concrete or definite reads, instead he prefers to delay giving such and makes excuses for giving reads, which makes him permanently neutral and on the fence in most debates, or otherwise uninvolved. He delays until it is finally squeezed out of him in post #518. This is a scumtell because I only see scum players (A) Delay reads or just not give them and (B) make constant excuses for things. Sure town does it there and then, but Nexus does it consistantly.
Again, not scummy. I've made similar comments as town about people I thought were a danger to town or being distracting a lot.venmar wrote:- Not only is this part of the post very scummy in the regard that he indirectly pushes MS's wagon and supports it without putting both of his feet in the water and joining the wagon ( hence, pushing the guys lynch while not actually being on the wagon ), which is funny since MS is probably town from the looks of it so this likes like scum influence, but it's very interesting in contrast to the next quote:In post 455, Nexus wrote:I don't necessarily like MS for scum, but I won't mourn his passing.
Talk to me if we're all alive on day three and he's still exhibiting this kind of tendency. A lot of players have difficulty forming great scum reads on day one (Hi!) before a flip and find day one tedious. Some people tend to be observant (Hi!), so this doesn't necessarily denote scum. But, I think this case on him more likely makes you town.venmar wrote: Most of his "scumreads", notably me and KA, he never actually pushes them or commits to them. He drops the occasional insult or jab, but he never actually fully pushes them or puts himself on the line. He has never actually voted for me either and is instead opting for trying to convince a theoretical vig to kill me and do the dirty work for him ( them? ), and same thing with KA. For the majority of his involvement on the KA wagon, for example, he remains in the background and lets some of the other players push the wagon for him. He doesn't help push it, just nods his head and stays quiet. When the interest in the KA wagon dissolves, he no longer pursues it either and virtually it appears like he was just along for the ride. Nexus isall voicebutno action or risk, he voices his weak opinion, but relies on other players to push it for him and lets them do the work. Metal Sonic ( indirectly ), KillerApple, and I are the prime examples.
..venmar wrote:
I think CDB is scum.
Didn't you say earlier a big reads post was forthcoming?In post 674, Cabd wrote:FTR officially on my way to LA for Expo.
Phone posting only now until Monday or maaaaybe Sunday night.
You are one of the people that I need to re-read through to solidify my read on. I remember thinking that parts of your big wall read townish and your recent reply to Amrun read townish, but I rarely get a solid town read on you early day one unless certain ~things~ make me read you that way. Though I like this response to me.In post 699, Tierce wrote:"I feel really good about this list of people that... I don't know everyone who is in it."In post 698, tsunami wrote:But the town reads that I feel really good about right now are: CDB, Nexus, Mollie, Venmar and someone else...
You got two options: It's me (hi!), or it's me (hi!), or it had better start being me (uhm, hi!), or what the heck happened there? How do you forget a list right as you make it when you function a lot via Townreads?
I was hoping you knew me well enough to know whyIn post 707, Nachomamma8 wrote:I might be able to, but I absolutely love people giving me reasons why I'm town.In post 685, tsunami wrote:Here...right here. I think you might be town. Can you guess why?
What are your thoughts on dekes?In post 709, Generic wrote:Can someone summarise the dekes case for me.
Some people do the fake dayvig thing for reactions. It's silly, but comes from town a lot. I've seen it as both. DGB likes to fake dayvig a lot, she might do it as scum though so it's null.In post 718, Desperado wrote:It wasn't a threat, it was a statement of fact. Metal is scum for me until further notice. One example of Oversoul (a serial town liar, it would appear) fake claiming and some snark added is not going to convince me that metal's behavior was town motivated.In post 540, Desperado wrote:Last fake dayvig I saw came from scum. Metal Sonic's attempt here looks no better. Someone is going to have to link me to some games with town fake dayvigging before I consider him as town.
*twitch*In post 720, xRECKONERx wrote:@amrun: Who faked the dayvig if it wasn't KA, then?