Mini 1701 - Modified Werewolf 13er

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You know, RVS could prove useful if we get a decent wagon going...

i agree tbh
VOTE: haschel

does anyone else find it hard to read the mod text, the yellow is too bright

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i havent played a game on this site in 2 years apart from this and another ongoing, i dont remember if ive played with anyone here tbh

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if u iso woodywoodpecker he has a LOT of posts, very little, if any, scumhunting. the posts are mainly contentless/defending himself, which are both types of posts that werewolves would make
so

vote:woodywoodpecker

pedit: scum can be active, u r an example ww

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unvote

didn't kno it was l-1, still think ur scummy

mod we need a votecount pls

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Vote: Bulbazoor. He knows why.

Explain your vote on bulb.
VOTE: Haschel Cedricson

don't like this post. i know mafia sometimes find rvs stage awkward to blend in. that question didn't need to be asked it was an rvs vote, probably something to do with a previous game or forum encounter, doesn't matter lol.

Question

Who has played Mafia with eachother before?

I know Bulbazoor and BlueBloodedToffee.

i want 2 kno why u asked this question and how it would have affected your approach to the game.

ie if i said i played with say, redcoyote and absta and haschel in response to your question how would that help you?

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@ww
lmao we are 8 pages in m8 there is enough content to read and analyze, all you've been doing is talking about some rando videogame and defending yourself. i still think ur scummy i just unvoted because im waiting on a votecount

@mod can we pls have a votecount. also the yellow text ur using is impossible to read on mafsepia, can u change the color

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damn i guess i missed that was too busy playing swordigo

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so if my play bothers anyone than go ahead and lynch me cause I am going to scum hunt when I feel like it, I am going to fluff and multi post when I feel like it, and threre will be times when I purposely don't read things until I am at a point when I am able to.

if u have such a 'devil may care' '0 fucks given' attitude then why are you defending yourself so much

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goddamnit why did u claim we're not even 12 hours into day 1 lol

villager is what a mafia would claim since its an open setup so u claiming early does nothing to show that you are town

why would u claim lol

godammnit

woody is scrub overly defensive town or werewolf

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lol really? damn

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it's still early game. keyser could u answer my question in this post pls, a post that has nothing to do with woody

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i don't really have any super strong townreads at this stage, focusing on my biggest scumread right now tbh

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nah, i just haven't gotten invested into the game yet.

unvote;

i'll fix that tonight after work.

this is mad sus

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ne1 who joined this site after me is a massive newb + scrub tbh

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ne1
en-eeh-1
anyone

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vote:vinkah

this is something i can get behind for real

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VOTE: red ff ya I know I called him town

y

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sup vinkah's replacement

like these posts UNVOTE:

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vote:woodywoodpecker

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Sorry guys but I noticed boonskiies replaced in and I have vowed to never play with him again. I could have sworn he said the same about me so I'm surprised he replaced in but whatever.

Go ahead and hate on me and insult me some more like banakai did. (BTW banakai I'm not an idiot, so FU)

mod please replace me, unless the off chance you will find a different replacement for whoever boon replaced

Later

damn

could u vow never to play in a a game with me again too

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@keyser your very active, but a lot of your posts have been filler. short, one line post questions like the one you just asked me as well as posts like

I.e does he actually believe in anything he is posting?

It's actually pretty damning to them if one of them do indeed flip scum.

Can you explain this pre-flip associative theory of your statement please.

Alright, i'm back. For starters, I don't think you need to be making full cases for why certain players seem town (@Keyser).

If you think I am town, aren't you interested in my reads?
If you think I am scum, aren't you interested in my reads?

I currently have a scum-lean read on you, so I hope you can appreciate my reads and discuss/challenge them. No one is a closed case.

these are easy questions to ask that give the appearance of scumhunting but lack content

that said you've been active and pushing people. i'm not ready to call you town or scum yet

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i had ww as scum for his massive overdefensiveness, but now that he is replacing out because someone he "doesn't like" has joined the game, it makes his in-game behaviour more believable as he may be a sensitive person who cannot take attacks very well

therefore he is becoming less of a scumread for me, what are people's thoughts

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You could not have sat on the fence more if you tried.

i'm just being real man

if i got a null read i got a null read

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RC's one post is seriously lacking in content now that i look at it a bit more, and the reads he gives do not have much reasoning behind them, saying he likes this post or that post. need redcoyote to come in the thread and give us all an update tbh. said he loves the playerlist and wishes we were playing in real time and then lurks ?????

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i would like for rc to come and post more than one post, but i would be willing to vote him if he continued to lurk in the manner he is.

@keyser soze, i know and agree. while you are posting filler posts that lack content, you are also posting a lot about reads and actively making cases in thread, leading to me believe you actually think you can gain something useful from said contentless posts.

hence the null read

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i had ww as scum for his massive overdefensiveness, but now that he is replacing out because someone he "doesn't like" has joined the game, it makes his in-game behaviour more believable as he may be a sensitive person who cannot take attacks very well

therefore he is becoming less of a scumread for me, what are people's thoughts

The more I read WoodyWoodpecker's posts the more genuine I thought he was.

cool, so you think the slot is town?

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@ww replacing out of a game because u dont like someone is an immature scumbag move so thanks and bye

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unvote[\b]

ww was an awful player but probably be town, will make a vote later

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Sorry guys but I noticed boonskiies replaced in and I have vowed to never play with him again. I could have sworn he said the same about me so I'm surprised he replaced in but whatever.

Go ahead and hate on me and insult me some more like banakai did. (BTW banakai I'm not an idiot, so FU)

mod please replace me, unless the off chance you will find a different replacement for whoever boon replaced

Later

Ok, now this makes sense

m8 u r just as bad

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i know there are people who are 'suspicious' of me (banakai, zoloros)

why

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the last few pages suck

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I didn't like Absta's response to some of the questions against her a few pages ago, and something just feels off about Keyser (no, it's not the vote on my slot either, because I am town reading the other two that voted.)

i voted you, so you had me as a town read

3 posts later

VOTE: red ff ya I know I called him town

OH! I thought this was a vote on Vink! Hmm, I actually get this vote.

these posts were made 5 minutes apart

what changed, that was a pretty fast fkip flop

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yo i could def get aboard a banakai wagon, his suspicion of me at the start of the game after calling me town was v strange, as was his pushing of boonskiies, where he was essentially calling him a VI over and over

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im not a fan of your posting

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nice

keyser u r kind of dominating and clogging the thread a lil, making it hard & annoying 2 read

maybe slow ur roll there champ, cut the inane 6 post in a row rants

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zoronos i feel u may be equating playstyle with alignment which is a risky thing to do. this is how i play i have a game history on this site u can go back and look at if you want.

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i could really get on board with an absta wagon, not gonna lie

says i've been posting nothing of substance but since his vote for boon he has posted nothing but fluff,
almost tunneling boon, but with no real case that i can find except that he's annoying? (Unless absta can point out his boon case that i may have missed)

@BBT - What do you think of Boon?

@Zoro - What do you think of Boon?

these posts are exactly the same, they are attempts to force other people to make cases and scumhunt for him while absta sits back and trys to look town for asking the 'tough questions'

also how about this for a reversal

I'm quite suspicious of RC at the moment and I want to see more from him.

Woody's slot is more scummy atm. I'm taking into account the fact that RC has only made one post and so I can't really judge him based solely on that.

damn absta v disingenuous

his first post of the game questioning an RVS acting like he was ALREADY scumhunting looked very forced and was an early red flag that i've kept in mind too

vote:absta

for tunneling with no case, accusing others of posting fluff while doing that very thing and general anti-town sentiment

i know other people have scum reads on absta so lgtss

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boon is a trash player who's clogging of the thread is anti-town, but i'd hesitate to call any of his play scummy.

@tonymontana, is that all you're gonna bless the thread with? what are your opinions on a possible absta lynch?

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@absta

i haven't been posting fluff all game, that's just blatantly untrue, just because my posting style isn't what you think is the 'correct' way to play doesn't mean it's fluff, done with this topic

here is your post 374, the one you cited as your reason for voting

@Boon

meh, sure. I got nothing. I suck at open setups.

VOTE: RC

What in the world is this? Your two scum reads are me and Keyser, why would you jump on the RC waggon saying you got nothing?
RC according to you was null-town and then you swap this to leaning-scum because he only has 1 post. My question is, why was he null-town?

since ur vote on boon, all u have been posting is directed at or about boon, i'd call that tunneling

So if you are town, why would you ask the same question "scum-absta" asked players regarding Boon? Why is it scummy when I ask it and not when you ask it?
Also, before you deny it, the questions are basically the same. They both demand the same type of answer, your opinion on the player.

this question was directed specifically at my boy tony because he's been lurking and i wanted to draw more posts out of him than the one he had just made before he inevitably faded into the background for another 10 pages, ur questions were on active players and were worded the exact same. i had posted pretty solid thoughts on you for tony to look at and add onto,

you asked your questions when you didn't have a case, and wanted bbt and zoro to possibly make one for you

, it's a great way for mafia to look like they're pushing a lynch without doing the legwork

Like I said, it was early RVS and I wanted to move the game along. RVS votes are inherently forced.

rvs is not forced, it should be the simplest part of the game if ur town, just randomly pick someone and vote lol

absta coming at me hard I like this vote more and more

i would also like to ask keyser and boon slow the fuck down and the lurkers/behind players to catch up, hopefully this will happen simultaneously

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i didn't know i was putting ww at l-1 if i'm honest (not enough vcs @mod), and my reasoning for a ww vote at that point was solid

and my 269 was that u said 'how cute' too was a joke after bbt said

I just saw your join date.

You have much to learn.

maybe i shoulda been clearer idk

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@Redff

since ur vote on boon, all u have been posting is directed at or about boon, i'd call that tunneling

Not exactly but let's say that's true for the sake of argument. Why is it scummy?

ur questions were on active players and were worded the exact same... you asked your questions when you didn't have a case, and wanted bbt and zoro to possibly make one for you, it's a great way for mafia to look like they're pushing a lynch without doing the legwork

Like I said earlier, I already made a post which showed where my suspicions on Boon were coming from. Yes, I didn't make a full blown case but I didn't feel the need to. Your theory relies on the idea that scum-absta would actually need help making a case on Boon. How is that believable?

why did you specifically pick those two players to ask about their opinions on boon?

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ur tunneling on boon has been scummy because ur case was very weak and u were attacking him for playstyle/shitposting reasons rather than because you thought he was mafia, at least that's how it looks to me

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This looks like i'm attacking his "playstyle/shitposting" instead of thinking he is mafia?

this sure does

More votes on Boon now. That was quite a horrible response.

Wow, wtf has happened to this game, so many childish players. Please don't replace into games anymore Boon.

I feel like this game has been ruined now.

You are so full of shit...

I feel like this game has been ruined now.

This is from a scum perspective. A townie wouldn't think the game would have been ruined from that, and a townie would still be questioning it.

What sort of logic is this?
I obviously meant more than just your shit.

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alright man watever u say. im jus tellin it how i see it

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Intent to put absta101 at L-2

Whats good with this

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@mod u missed my absta vote in ur vc

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Because its barely there man. I dunno how i can be clearer. People should hold off on the absta votes til we get a votecount btw.

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were gonna have to do something about this cause when ppl say red it could be me or red coyote so say our full names lol

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im gonna get on this game over the weekend, maybe even later tn, been super lazy my b my b

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i still like the absta wagon, but i could really dig a BTT one

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BBT

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i like dr whos posts i realize i had a scum read and vote on woody but i also said he could be scrub over defensive town, and he did replace out for a really dumb reason, so yeah i like doctor who's posts at the moment

vote:bluebloodedtoffee

i think boonskies is probably town and really annoying people making them think he is scum, especially because he has scumread absta and sus lurker tony montana. but he might just post like that all the time, gonna read him

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I suck at open setups.

this is weird


but i agree with boonskies on a absta stuff even tho he is obnoxious, and i doubt he's scum cause of the claim and the ott "confirm town" that he's been acting (he's clearly not confirmed town)

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quote="In post 340, BlueBloodedToffee"]OK, I'm hoping you can do better than gut soon because we're on page 14 already and I would like to have achieved a lynch in roughly the next 6-8 pages.[/quote]
bbt i don’t know if u answered this and i know it is far back but could u answer why u wanted a lynch 3 real life days into a 14 day in game day. it is weird to me

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fuck my bad edbwop

OK, I'm hoping you can do better than gut soon because we're on page 14 already and I would like to have achieved a lynch in roughly the next 6-8 pages.

bbt i don’t know if u answered this and i know it is far back but could u answer why u wanted a lynch 3 real life days into a 14 day in game day. it is weird to me[/quote]

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i agree with haschel

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ok this is on bbt and goes way way back since im just posting notes just acknowledging that, this is all for bluebloodedtoffee

i didn’t like how overly aggressive he was in rvs and first 2-3 pages, felt forced or like he was trying establish his presence/dominance of discussion. i mean he tries to start 2 wagons in the first 2 pages. (first 5 iso)

the haschel wagon (iso 4-15)
this vote and push has no case, i understand its still early days, but he asks people why they won’t join the wagon, why they didn’t join it earlier, what they thought of the wagon but posts 0 case, you can check his iso. i know he'll bust out an excuse of how it was an early game reaction test but this early play points to a bigger problem.

these questions has been a theme of his posting all game. read his posts and there are so many basic questions, like a child who keeps asking why no matter what you say. it is a forced and vague way to post, scummy.

I’m gonna quote a a few exampes but i feel like many of bit’s posts are vague and easily answered questions, and other general posts that don’t actually feature pro-town play or scum-hunting, such as:

You guys need to slow the fuck down.

BBT, Keyser and Zoro are weak townreads atm.

Reasons?

16 looks LAMIST; he is presuming seriousness instead of thinking about tone / context of the post.

That's actually not a bad observation.

Keyser, are you interested in forming an RC wagon?

Do you not pay attention often?

At any rate,

Unvote

. I want to vote for somebody else, but it's so hard to decide between Keyser and BlueBloodedToffee!

Would this be a serious vote?

@BBT - The fact that he didn't answer why his reads changed so suddenly and the way he tried to make himself look town by using your null read on him. Basically, all of it.

Why do you think scum are more likely to be loose/inconsistent with their reads as opposed to town?

I know what a trust tell is, Boon is not doing that.

Trust tells are punishable by mod-kill, is that what you're trying to achieve?

are a few examples

these posts are essentially designed to look like he is "charging the town forward", '"keeping everyone open and in line" but how much do they do that really, how pro town is it really under the surface? he has been doing this all game.

You guys need to slow the fuck down.

BBT, Keyser and Zoro are weak townreads atm.

Reasons?

this is probably just me but if someone has a town read on me i don’t ask why, i just nod my head and agree because I obviously know why I’m town

he then went hard on the woody wagon, which i did too, so i can’t really say much about that tbh, all i will say is i was wrong about woody too but his posting just reeks of mafia trying to get a lynch on a bad player


this post seems to have a straight contradiction

don't like this post. i know mafia sometimes find rvs stage awkward to blend in. that question didn't need to be asked it was an rvs vote, probably something to do with a previous game or forum encounter, doesn't matter lol.

The timing of this post is scummy. Right after Kmd votes Absta, also knowing that Zoro, RC and myself found 16 scummy, you go back to that very post to try and question it? Why did you do this now?

if u have such a 'devil may care' '0 fucks given' attitude then why are you defending yourself so much

This is a good post.

You say that you don't need to scumhunt within the first hours of the game because you have plenty of time, but you post constantly, showing me that you are trying to be active ?????????????

This is another good post.

Also red ff is town

Can you explain this? The quote below doesn't quite cut it...

Because his posts are a towns posts.

Why are they town posts?

he says one of my posts is a ‘good post’ with no reason and then implies that banakai can’t do the same

i don’t get his rc vote and push, because at that point of the game (post 337) vinkah and tonymontana had provided less content, than red coyote and his vote was based on lurking

can’t decide if his confusion about the open setup means anything

also

I was happy with the current game state and the direction the game was taking.

the wording here is really weird, seems controlling

i just get the sense bbt has some dark motivation behind his posts like he is trying to control and supress the discussion to a degree that a townie should not be doing so yeah there are my reasons

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@RC the absta wagon can start again if u want to i'd be down tbh

I feel like this wagon faded out suspiciously quickly and without fanfair, wasn't he at l-1 at one point? gonna check out the absta wagon formation and its quiet dissipation when i get the time.

BBT is striking me as super over the top in his agressiveness, and his attempts to instill himself as the town 'leader' feel like a way to suppress dissenting opinion. he just seems to be a control freak who thinks he's better than the rest of us tbh, i gotta have another read but i still think he's scummy.

I don't want to have ignored you all day and then die N1 and be in dead thread like 'RC is scum, why didn't I do anything about that'.

this post struck me as odd "i'll be pissed if i die N1 which is definitely possible because im totally not mafia"

i'm busy cause i got family staying for the weekend, i'll try to post some more later

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Well the only way a wagon can fade out suspiciously is if scum were on it. How does that fit in to your theory?

that's a narrow way to look at things and not true, scum could aggressively push other wagons, clog up the thread to slow down votes/create confusion. they could quietly take their vote off after bussing a buddy, all sorts of things.

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and my mistake, tho even u thought u were at l-1 at one point, so it's an easy mistake to make.

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dont see how my l-1 vote on ww was scummy, i unvoted as soon as i realized

also i re-evaluated the slot after his replace out because i thought it was a childish and idiotic and selfish and bad player thing to do, which meant me reconsider my scumread as just village idiot town, i gotta check your iso out dr who but u taking so long to catch up isn't too great tbh

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the boonskies wagon is terrible and has scummy looking players on it

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Redff, how do you distinguish from childish idiotic selfish bad VI town and childish idiotic selfish bad VI scum?

it's very difficult, but it can explain scummy behaviour

vote:absta

could people get behind this if they don't like either of the 2 main wagons at this point? I know others have expressed suspicion of absta

we have 5 days left, there is no particular rush to lynch

weak jump on the banakai wagon there from BBT, I'm gonna do a bunch of reading, look at this banakai wagon, when I have time, might not be til after the weekend tho

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5 days is cutting it close and you know it. I highly doubt you'll find 7 people who want to lynch me above these other two in that time. I find it scummy how you are trying to create a counter wagon this close to the deadline.

we are just over halfway into the day m8. there were 5 people on u at one point. it's not a counter wagon i pushed you earlier.

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just don't try to pull people off the wagons at this stage.

i don't see why i can't tbh

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cause i doubt ur getting lynched today tbh

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i have tried, been super busy this weekend tho

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cause scum aint that obviously bad, it's been a while since ive looked at woody's posts tho id have to go check to give you examples

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He's done basically nothing to hunt scum, and is showing no desire to have his opinions listened to or pushed.
Between the two at the moment I'd rather vote RedFF.

mate ur on the wagon that i've been the most vocal champion of, so are me and absta scum together or ?

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i dont like this attempt to start a bandwagon on tony so soon before deadline, i highly doubt it will get enough votes


i'm willing to vote banakai if this absta lynch really isn't happening
his boonskies case looked force
and his buddying up to me followed by his change to scumread and promise of a case that never came is really strange

i'd still like an absta lynch but i would compromise on banakai, i have a town read on boon

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I'm going to join the Banakai wagon unless someone joins the Boon wagon in a few hours.

ok so r u gonna do this or?

I'm fine with lynching either Boon or Banakai and we only have a few days left to decide. The people on the smaller wagons should migrate at this point.

ok so this has been a very active day 1, and we have 5 days left til deadline, that's plenty of time, absta has done a lot of posting recently about how we are getting very close to the deadline and we can't afford a nolynch!!!! which is a way to look town without actually providing content/scumhunting
by 'people on the small wagons' he means 'people voting me', which is just a dishonest way of trying to prevent his own lynch by making the day seem more rushed and a lynch more urgent than it actually is

tony lynch is not happening today, i urge tony voters to get on absta wagon if they can't deal with the banakai or boonski ones

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Buddying? Promised case? What are you talking about?

relevant banakai posts

Also red ff is town

Because his posts are a towns posts.

I summon Banakai!

Banakai - How do you feel are currently scum, and why?

Well I used to believe Woody, but I'm starting to think hes just really bad at playing town. A scum would usually change his playstyle after being called out on it repeatedly but woody keeps being an idiot. I'm not totally against his wagon. Best case scenario he is a werewolf (not out of the picture), worst case he is a towny who wasn't helping anyway.

I'm a little lost on this one actually. The werewolf is probbably not posted enough comments to get noticed by me or has yet to give me a clue. Which brings me to this question:

Also red ff is town

Because his posts are a towns posts.

Please can I have added quote-thought-process analysis on this statement. I am not satisfied with your reasons.

As for red ff, I just liked his posts, but he posted some questionable things now

#168 is a little meh but I shouldnt talk as I pretty much did the same thing
#176 was probbably his best post, both a good question and observation about scum in rvs
#181 is a little forced
#187 is a very good question
#203 kinda concerns me with its tone though

1) What is your current read on redFF?

2) What was it about his early posts that made you announce "red ff is town" in the thread? Please could you quote the posts that made you have such an early strong town read on him.

I'd say #176 and #187 were really good. I'd still like to see the answer for #176 (unless I missed it when I was playing sordingo). #187 was just a good job noticing a person contradicting themselves and a good way to ask it.

However his recent posts have got me leaning scum now, it seems like he got lazy as scum and stopped looking town.

VOTE: red ff ya I know I called him town

Boon for obvious reasons and I'll explain redff a little more when I get to a computer

did he never get to a computer? who knows.

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only scummy-seeming thing i can see is the quick change of read and vote on banakai

tbh i thought his entry to the game and self-vote felt town motivated, and his active play and scumhunting since then have felt genuine

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yea i have bbt as a possible scumread i even pushed him earlier but whaddya gonna do we got less than 48 hours

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5 days is cutting it close and you know it. I highly doubt you'll find 7 people who want to lynch me above these other two in that time. I find it scummy how you are trying to create a counter wagon this close to the deadline.

reminder this was 5 days before the deadline, good amount of time left

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intent to hammer
claim pls

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danmn i wanted the hammer

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VOTE: Banakai

VOTE: Banakai
As promised. He is L-2 now I think.

Almost certainly scum in one of these 2 votes, assuming banakai flips scum

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haschel was the obvious nightkill, not sure what angel was doing

im fine with lynching absta or bbt

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im not really sure the angel should claim, dont see the benefits of it tbh

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vote:absta

yeah still about this

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i think ive been pretty clear

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absta is clearly the lynch here tbh

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im guilty of not paying enough attention to banakai and that wagon, so i can't exactly attack zoronos for doing the same thing tbh

zoronos what are your thoughts on absta? you said you had him as scum, then that you would reread him, and have not really mentioned him since. what the deal with that?

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because absta was my biggest scumread yesterday, the banakai flip made him look even scummier, obvtown boonskies agrees

absta is clearly the lynch

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@bbt i called banakai out on that multiple times and stated i thought it was scummy behavior, which it was

u r reaching man

u just said

Pretty sure it's going on Tony/Zoro/Absta though.

and now ur fos'ing me too

there's only 2 scum left in this game

absta is one, lets get to lynching

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and his buddying up to me followed by his change to scumread and promise of a case that never came is really strange

i'd still like an absta lynch but i would compromise on banakai, i have a town read on boon

Buddying? Promised case? What are you talking about?

relevant banakai posts

Also red ff is town

Because his posts are a towns posts.

I summon Banakai!

Banakai - How do you feel are currently scum, and why?

Well I used to believe Woody, but I'm starting to think hes just really bad at playing town. A scum would usually change his playstyle after being called out on it repeatedly but woody keeps being an idiot. I'm not totally against his wagon. Best case scenario he is a werewolf (not out of the picture), worst case he is a towny who wasn't helping anyway.

I'm a little lost on this one actually. The werewolf is probbably not posted enough comments to get noticed by me or has yet to give me a clue. Which brings me to this question:

Also red ff is town

Because his posts are a towns posts.

Please can I have added quote-thought-process analysis on this statement. I am not satisfied with your reasons.

As for red ff, I just liked his posts, but he posted some questionable things now

#168 is a little meh but I shouldnt talk as I pretty much did the same thing
#176 was probbably his best post, both a good question and observation about scum in rvs
#181 is a little forced
#187 is a very good question
#203 kinda concerns me with its tone though

1) What is your current read on redFF?

2) What was it about his early posts that made you announce "red ff is town" in the thread? Please could you quote the posts that made you have such an early strong town read on him.

I'd say #176 and #187 were really good. I'd still like to see the answer for #176 (unless I missed it when I was playing sordingo). #187 was just a good job noticing a person contradicting themselves and a good way to ask it.

However his recent posts have got me leaning scum now, it seems like he got lazy as scum and stopped looking town.

VOTE: red ff ya I know I called him town

Boon for obvious reasons and I'll explain redff a little more when I get to a computer

did he never get to a computer? who knows.

look bbt i was trying to get an absta lynch yesterday, but i was willing to get on banakai and stated my intent to hammer before his self hammer

dont like that last post, u r misrepping and trying to bait me, do you really think i am scum because of banakai's pushing on me?

u hopping on the banakai wagon as late as possible after trying to start a last minute counterwagon on tony looks far scummier after a banakai town flip tbh, though im leaning on u being paranoid bad town atm

[redFF]

ur vote on banakia was scummy because it was late, it was after you tried to start a counterwagon, and banakai flipped mafia

[redFF]

good post kmd, i thought u might be scum but that was a good post

vote absta 2016

[redFF]

i could lynch zoronos that is cool with me id just rather lynch absta

[redFF]

bbt making a bunch of noise

bad case!

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i think BBT is reaching hard

i think it's dumb that im being suspected for being one of the flipped scum's biggest suspects. in fact, until banakai voted boon (the only day 1 wagon that looked like going through apart from the one on himself) his vote was parked on me

i can't speak for banakai, no one can, as he is dead and flipped scum. that makes manipulating what he said to suit one's own ends easy
BBT's case on me (post 1124), has a lot of BBT's commentary and no hard evidence of us being buddies apart from motivations he has ascribed to banakai under the assumption that i am his scumbuddy.
BBT's whole case is on my percieved association with Banakai based on what banakai said, his case has no evidence to back up that I am scum from my own posts, that i would like to see.

the case is bullshit anyway, from what i can read it hinges on the fact that scum-banakai used his 3rd and 4th posts of the game to state how one of his buddies (me) was obvtown.

why would he so needlessly reference how town a scumbuddy looks that early in the game?

he could have been buddying up to me!
he could've just picked a player to state a townread on to make it look like he was actively reading the thread and sorting through players!
i could've been pushing a bad lynch and he wanted to support it without saying he had a scumread
! i don't know, these hypotheticals are much like the ones BBT used for his case, and there are so many possibilities that you could come up with.

As soon as Banakai was questioned on his read of me, he backtracked, which is a scummy thing on his part, and has little bearing on my alignment. if u ask me, banakai called me town in an innocuous post he didn't expect to get attention, it got attention, and he panicked and completely reversed his read. i dont know what he was thinking, i'm not him. asking me to justify scummy looking posts made by a flipped scum is pointless and something i can't really do.

i even called out banakai multiple times on that shit yesterday, would I really be drawing attention to it if we were buddies?

Spoiler: me calling out banakai

VOTE: red ff ya I know I called him town

y

i know there are people who are 'suspicious' of me (banakai, zoloros)

why

yo i could def get aboard a banakai wagon, his suspicion of me at the start of the game after calling me town was v strange, as was his pushing of boonskiies, where he was essentially calling him a VI over and over

Buddying? Promised case? What are you talking about?

relevant banakai posts

Also red ff is town

Because his posts are a towns posts.

I summon Banakai!

Banakai - How do you feel are currently scum, and why?

Well I used to believe Woody, but I'm starting to think hes just really bad at playing town. A scum would usually change his playstyle after being called out on it repeatedly but woody keeps being an idiot. I'm not totally against his wagon. Best case scenario he is a werewolf (not out of the picture), worst case he is a towny who wasn't helping anyway.

I'm a little lost on this one actually. The werewolf is probbably not posted enough comments to get noticed by me or has yet to give me a clue. Which brings me to this question:

Also red ff is town

Because his posts are a towns posts.

Please can I have added quote-thought-process analysis on this statement. I am not satisfied with your reasons.

As for red ff, I just liked his posts, but he posted some questionable things now

#168 is a little meh but I shouldnt talk as I pretty much did the same thing
#176 was probbably his best post, both a good question and observation about scum in rvs
#181 is a little forced
#187 is a very good question
#203 kinda concerns me with its tone though

1) What is your current read on redFF?

2) What was it about his early posts that made you announce "red ff is town" in the thread? Please could you quote the posts that made you have such an early strong town read on him.

I'd say #176 and #187 were really good. I'd still like to see the answer for #176 (unless I missed it when I was playing sordingo). #187 was just a good job noticing a person contradicting themselves and a good way to ask it.

However his recent posts have got me leaning scum now, it seems like he got lazy as scum and stopped looking town.

VOTE: red ff ya I know I called him town

Boon for obvious reasons and I'll explain redff a little more when I get to a computer

did he never get to a computer? who knows.

of the 2 flips, the scum was pushing me as mafia, and the VT had me as one of his biggest townreads. hows that for association?

[redFF]

sorry if my first response was flippant, but BBT has been clogging this thread with shit for a while and that case is terrible.

[redFF]

So much filler in redFFs ISO

redFF is being extremely hypocritical about BBT's push for a new wagon followed by a late vote on banakai.

With 5 days left, redFF started a new wagon on absta.

vote:absta

could people get behind this if they don't like either of the 2 main wagons at this point? I know others have expressed suspicion of absta

we have 5 days left, there is no particular rush to lynch

Then a mere day after, that is scummy behaviour

i dont like this attempt to start a bandwagon on tony so soon before deadline, i highly doubt it will get enough votes

redFF, how are you not a pot calling the kettle black here? You tried to push for a new wagon and you were so late to the banakai wagon that you missed it completely.

first post u quoted was made on Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:43 am my time
second post u quoted was made on Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:04 pm my time

that is over 3 days later in real life time. so 'a mere day after' is just wrong/a lie.

5 days before deadline is a perfectly viable time to try and start to get a wagon going on someone and have them lynched.
2 days before deadline not so much.

[redFF]

Why would scum!Absta narrow down the lynch pool to his buddy and one other person?

because his wagon was the third biggest of the day!!!
here is a votecount from 4 days before deadline

Vote Count

Banakai

(5):

Haschel Cedricson, Red Coyote, Bulbazoor, Boonskiies, BlueBloodedToffee

Boonskiies

(4):

absta101, Banakai, Tony Montana, Kmd4390

absta101

(4):

Zoronos, redff, Keyser Söze, Doctor Who

Not Voting

(0):

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-08-07 13:30:00)

so to answer your question, absta could've wanted to narrow the lynchpool from 3 viable lynches to 2 to save his own ass
1/2 of the viable wagons being on scum is better than 2/3 of them being on scum
heck your observation strengthens my scumread on absta, so thanks!

still want an absta lynch!

@bbt, with that knowledge in hand, do you still think the conclusions you made about absta in post 1151 are still viable? you have gone from having a scumread on absta to not wanting to lynch him today, why?

also tony montana has gone from voting for and scumreading BBT to sheeping BBT's vote on me, just like that. i can see why he's been under suspicion all game.

[redFF]

Zoronos (3): RedCoyote, Kmd4390, Keyser Söze,
absta101 (2): Boonskiies, redFF
Tony Montana (2): absta101, Bulbazoor
redFF (2): BlueBloodedToffee, Tony Montana
BlueBloodedToffee (1): Doctor Who
Kmd4390 (1): Zoronos

I am personally suprised the votes are so spread out with only 2 more scum left - obviously Banakai did a good job masking who his scum partners were.

tony unvoted me

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tonymontana u have less posts than the mod and im lurking?

[redFF]

vote:zoronos

im with this

[redFF]

bbt ur case on me is trash lol

[redFF]

nobody hammer until Tony comes and gives us his opinion

[redFF]

btw absta has been mentioning zoro as possible scum for a while with little reasoning, and then put him at L-1. Pretty much exactly what he did yesterday with the Banakai wagon, will be interesting to look at after the flip tbh.

[redFF]

Hey, look at redff doing things now he has been called out for lurking.

We should lynch him tomorrow.

complete nonsense post

ive been doing things, when was I called out for lurking? unless ur talking TM, in which case him calling out anyone for lurking is laughable since he has by far the least amount of posts in this game.

[redFF]

boonskies fuck u for letting tony off the hook tbh

[redFF]

Fake aggression ^^^

Boon, I really don't like that hammer.

lol u r town but u have been flailing around trying to force crap scumreads this entire game. why dont u take this night phase to calm down and realize nobody agrees with anything you're saying

[redFF]

is absta and tony too obvious a scumteam here?

i feel like the kmd kill and flip is supposed to make us look at the first few votes on the zoronos wagon, but i think absta's hop on it reeks of opportunistic scum, same with his hop on the banakai wagon day 1, except that was a bus

vote:absta

[redFF]

bbt from one town player to another u should stop tunneling me m8, embarrassing yourself tbh

i could vote bulb today but im weary of getting on an RC-made wagon after yesterdays flip

absta or tony are good lynches today

[redFF]

unvote

[redFF]

i plan on re-reading this entier game to get clearer thoughts on it, we should make the most use of this day phase, even if we are still going to lynch me.

would love a case that doesn't rely on twisting banakai's actions to make me look scummy

[redFF]

yeah i mean absta apparently scumread me yet hopped on the zoro wagon RIGHT AFTER i did

[redFF]

cause its a long day and im rereading

[redFF]

@absta could you point out the pr crumbs kmd was dropping?

[redFF]

also boon is known for quickhammering l-1 every game he is in, regardless of alignment
his hammering of zoronos is null

[redFF]

I had a look through your ISO and I didn't find you ever stating a scum read on zoro. Where did this come from? You just suddenly agreed with the wagon after RC promised you he'd push for my lynch after you join his Zoro wagon.

i liked the case and wagon on zoro, so i voted him

yes please answer, you can't drop knowledge bombs like that in the thread without explaining them, i'm curious as to what pr crumbs kmd droppped

you've been asked this by 2 people now, just answer

[redFF]

In the meantime, how about the Angel claiming?

@everyone

- could you please state your stance on this? Thanks

do you have any scumreads

[redFF]

u p much hit the nail on the head keyser

[redFF]

yeah all those reasons seem forced tbh

[redFF]

i dont think you expected to be called out on saying kmd had been dropping pr crumbs, because you took forever to answer our followup questions about what those crumbs are, and the crumbs you pointed out were not really crumbs

i think its reasonable that if you say something like that players will ask you for details lol

the crumbs you pointed out were not really crumbs, but maybe u as mafia thought they were, and thats why you shot him?

[redFF]

vote:absta

his scumread on me has been pure omgus, he didn't have a scumread until i had been tunneling him for a while

[redFF]

once bbt and tonymontana posted suspicions on me absta was on it like white on rice, he saw an oppportunity to possibly lynch his biggest attacker this game, not because he thinks i am scum, but because i will not rest until he is lynched

[redFF]

u said kmd posted "obvious" crumbs
keyser and i asked you to point them out
you resisted and didnt
we kept asking you
you eventually did, except they weren't crumbs
you were called on it
you then said you don't know if he was crumbing for sure

that's an accurate summary of events right?

[redFF]

worth noting that flipped town kmd had a scumread on absta

absta is so so clearly the lynch!

[redFF]

RC i would lynch you over bulb tbh

[redFF]

Eh, well, let's not have that. I can't move my vote, especially if no one will consider what I think to be a very valid point about the fact that Bulba hasn't received any pressure this game and hasn't had any real say about anything (he makes sweeping statements, to be sure, but is never challenged or followed up on). I'll hang in the background now like my friend Bulba and let others take the spotlight today. Hopefully that will start earning me some free town credit and I'll be in a better position to spend it tomorrow.

u pushed an easy lynch yesterday with zoronos and are pushing an easy lynch today with bulb

[redFF]

Eh, well, let's not have that. I can't move my vote, especially if no one will consider what I think to be a very valid point about the fact that Bulba hasn't received any pressure this game and hasn't had any real say about anything (he makes sweeping statements, to be sure, but is never challenged or followed up on). I'll hang in the background now like my friend Bulba and let others take the spotlight today. Hopefully that will start earning me some free town credit and I'll be in a better position to spend it tomorrow.

u pushed an easy lynch yesterday with zoronos and are pushing an easy lynch today with bulb

[redFF]

Also, @redFF, when you have time, show me the progression/development of your scum-read of Zoronos on D2 (with quotes and comments).

i liked the wagon, thought there were 3 town looking players on it (u kmd RC) and i said i was fine with lynching the slot since he was p much null to me until he was pressured, i liked the case and saw my main target absta wasn't going to be lynched, so i got on that wagon

sorry if that is an unsatisfactory answer

[redFF]

v/la a few days

[redFF]

I do not like redcpyote so far.

anything beyond OMGUS?

what is your take on the whole me/absta situation

[redFF]

@rc yeah that's always a worry when ur tunneling someone but im 95% sure absta is mafia so its all good

[redFF]

I'm not interested in any wagon besides Absta, so until he is lynched.

this tbh

[redFF]

im back at school and i have less time than i thought i would for this site

so yeah, idk if the reread will come anymore , maybe tomorrow morning

[redFF]

vote:bulba

[redFF]

Yeah, if Bulba flips scum I'm 100% lynching Redff.

why dude

[redFF]

ayyy

[redFF]

whos still alive

[redFF]

has anyone claimed angel?

last scum is keyser or doc who imo, i think doc who may have claimed angel tho? i dunno..

was wrong about absta oh well RIP

will vote keyser soonish let ppl do their rereads and shit

[redFF]

i had a poor game from the start so i see where ppl are coming from tbh.

[redFF]

doctor who stop being bad im town