A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[beeboy]

VOTE: Friendless Seniors

Want to buddy up?

[beeboy]

Seniors didn't say they would buddy up with me vote them plz.

[beeboy]

ok, maybe we can lynch this clownfuck instead.

Not until Seniors buddies up with me.

[beeboy]

Everyone we need more Seniors votes!

[beeboy]

Hi Sakura o/

yeah ok

Vote: Axelrod

serious vote.

Are you implying the Seniors wagon isn't serious?

[beeboy]

I was actually trying to imply the opposite.

You should sheep me btw.

[beeboy]

Seniors is policy tho.

Only scum wouldn't buddy up with me because I always hit scum when I wagon someone.
Seniors know this and should have accepted my hand in friendship but they don't want to be forced to bus.

[beeboy]

But your 1 person wagon is too boring.

It could be a 2 person wagon if you joined

[beeboy]

beeboy I only buddy you when we're scum together

This is a scum claim btw.
He is implying he rolled scum and I didn't.

Town Seniors would definitely buddy me for fun of it or at least respond to me before I started a wagon.

[beeboy]

In all seriousness though I really didn't like how they evaded my comment and they deserve legit votes.

[beeboy]

In all seriousness though I really didn't like how they evaded my comment and they deserve legit votes.

To expand onto this I basically think they delayed the response to me trying to buddy them because they couldn't think of a non awkward way to reply to what I said which I don't think is a concern of town.

Votes plz

[beeboy]

Seniors is policy tho.

Only scum wouldn't buddy up with me because I always hit scum when I wagon someone.
Seniors know this and should have accepted my hand in friendship but they don't want to be forced to bus.

I don't really know why, but this made me laugh.


~M

Reward me with a Seniors vote =D

[beeboy]

Geez. No, I am not seriously policy lynching TWL because Hydra. I have no actual opinion of them yet.

I am having a hard time believing that you could seriously believe that either.

+1

I'm also having trouble believing that all the people who are supporting Saks on this think its legit as well.

You know what makes it worse Seniors is scum and everyone is worrying about a RVS wagon when I have a scum one :\

[beeboy]

Those meaningless Piper votes should be moved so Seniors.

[beeboy]

to*

[beeboy]

Or Saks or Dave.

What did Dave do?

Seniors is 100x more evasive then he was.

[beeboy]

I'm not familliar with either Hiplop or EP.

Your case seems to be based off your familiarity with them. It doesn't mean much to me.

Actually it is mainly do to uni scummy things

-They ignored my buddy offer.
-1 page later they replied.

What this is telling me is that they are scum and want to avoid looking awkward so they didn't immediately reply to me. They thought about a reply and wanted me to stop attracting attention and posted incredibly late.
I would be scum reading anyone for doing that.

[beeboy]

Wrong Lynch, Cakes, Sakura and Mirhawk are probably town.

This game is easy.

[beeboy]

I'm not sure what to think of this buddy offer thing. If you had done the same to me, I'd be thinking it could be a trap. It's a no-win question -- agree to buddy and you're scum eager to make a friend, refuse or fail to notice and you're scum wanting to avoid picking up obligations.

That is because you are looking at in the wrong way. It isn't what they said it is

how

they said. It was an incredibly awkward and delayed response the reason I think they are scum has nothing to do with how they wouldn't say they would buddy me.

[beeboy]

VOTE: Friendless Seniors

This

could

be a pure RVS haven't read the thread vote, but not sure I want to believe that. It would also be a cheap way to get onto one of the biggest wagons without a reason.

He made it one of the biggest wagons by voting it, voting Cakes or putting any wagon to (2) votes would have done the same thing.

What makes you say being the 3rd person on the wagon is fishy?

[beeboy]

Wrong Lynch, Cakes,

Sakura

and Mirhawk are probably town.

Why? I haven't even done anything yet.

Maybe you are scum after all.

I liked the engagement you did earlier it was weird and promoted discussion. The cost of that is you where asking weird questions and obviously that would attract attention to yourself but that isn't a risk from a scum POV so I'd imagine you where town.

Although Cakes did a lot less than you and it really bothers me that you ignored the rest of my list and only replied to my read on you when my read on other players should be more important.

[beeboy]

VOTE: snarky

real vote

This is exactly how Snarky plays and it surprises me both you and EP both don't know that.

[beeboy]

Considering we just ended a game with him like 3 weeks ago.

[beeboy]

I liked the engagement you did earlier it was weird and promoted discussion. The cost of that is you where asking weird questions and obviously that would attract attention to yourself but that isn't a risk from a scum POV so I'd imagine you where town.

Why would me doing something with low risk as scum make me town?

I made a mistake, it should be incredibly obvious that attracting attention to yourself isn't a problem for town. You should know that and all this first point is, is you padding your vote.

Although Cakes did a lot less than you and it really bothers me that you ignored the rest of my list and only replied to my read on you when my read on other players should be more important.

Why is it surprising to you that I question townreads on me?, Specially coming from someone who's been screwed over by scum me once, and been my scum partner once before, I would think you'd want to sort me out, and your townread on me stuck out like a sore thumb. I think it was an early attempt at budding me and once i reacted to it, you're trying to reverse your read on me.
VOTE: beeboy

1. Well I took a pretty long break from mafia and I used to be screwed by pretty much every scum as town so it would be weird of me to fear so many players.
2. That point doesn't make sense if you accept that I have meta experience with you wouldn't it be easier for me to sort you which would justify a town read this early?
3. I made it very clear that the reason I thought you where scum from that post was that you didn't question any of my other reads. Cakes has made very few posts and Mala hasn't actually asked many questions so both those reads should have stood out if you where actually interested in sorting my slot you would have looked at everything in that post.


I would vote you but I am 90% sure Seniors is scum.

[beeboy]

It is because she is scum with Seniors

[beeboy]

2. That point doesn't make sense if you accept that I have meta experience with you wouldn't it be easier for me to sort you which would justify a town read this early?

When i have done nothing that's not fakeable it raises all my alarm bells.

It still doesn't change the fact that meta experience would help me get a early read on you not the other way around.

3. I made it very clear that the reason I thought you where scum from that post was that you didn't question any of my other reads. Cakes has made very few posts and Mala hasn't actually asked many questions so both those reads should have stood out if you where actually interested in sorting my slot you would have looked at everything in that post.

1) I haven't read much of the thread i mostly skimmed coz i've been busy (watching anime together with pie), so i dont know what Cakez or Mala have been doing other than before the point i left off.
2) However it's not like i make ghostly posts while im not around, im perfectly aware of what i've been doing and my belief is that you shouldn't have a townread on me this early.
3) Now again, this doesn't explain why you had a townread on me early on.

r = response

r1) I guess that is true but if you thought I had a blind read on you I am shocked you wouldn't confront me about my other ones as well.
r2) I don't anymore to be fair. I thought you wouldn't make posts that attracted attention to yourself it isn't that hard to follow.
r3) It actually does taking a pointless risk isn't something scum would do.

[beeboy]

It is because she is scum with Seniors

L M A O
This is wrong on so many levels that are validated just by making an egosearch on me that im not even gonna bother with a response.

I mean you responded to my post where I called you scum before this so you already have... :/

VOTE: Sakura

[beeboy]

I mean you responded to my post where I called you scum before this so you already have... :/

so 106 wasnt meant as a response to 105? I have trouble believing that.

107 was a reply to 104 where I said I would vote you which is you responding to the post where I called you scum. I know it wasn't 100% direct but saying I am willing to vote couldn't mean anything other than I think you are scum.

[beeboy]

Just as a note everyone should move there vote over to Sakura I found scum!

[beeboy]

I mean you responded to my post where I called you scum before this so you already have... :/

so 106 wasnt meant as a response to 105? I have trouble believing that.

107 was a reply to 104 where I said I would vote you which is you responding to the post where I called you scum. I know it wasn't 100% direct but saying I am willing to vote couldn't mean anything other than I think you are scum.

109 was made in response to you saying that my difference in playstyle was because i was scum, and that's not even me getting started on your absurd 180 of your read on me when I got suspicious of your townread on me.

It is a RVS read what is surprising of it changing? It wasn't a very established read it was bound to change.


Although I have come to the realization that despite disagreeing with all your play as soon as I said I town read you it isn't necessarily scummy it is just not good town play. It is towny to discredit a town read on yourself in my opinion which makes me want to believe you are town, but I could also see this as an attempt at looking aggressive since I don't like your reason for discrediting it and how you discredited it which is scum. I want to sort more but since you aren't necessarily scum 1v1ing isn't how I want to do it.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Seniors

[beeboy]

Everyone pile on Seniors!!!!

This evasive scum is op!

[beeboy]

Seniors has been trying way to hard to avoid looking suspicious and doing things that won't stand out.

like srs this is obv scum.

[beeboy]

Ogre vote Seniors plz

[beeboy]

@Piper I seriously want to see Seniors lyncher today.

Pedit @cakes what part doesn't make sense my logic is very justified?

[beeboy]

Without reading it I guess you can interpret it that way.

That implies you think I should commit to RVS town reads. The idea behind early town reads is to make someone I like comfortable so they either play scummier or townier since they feel more safe going for there wincon. It also makes scum panic that people are establishing town pools before they get to look good which makes them play worse.

I expect scum to start playing weird and town to play more aggressive from that. Sakura votes me for the sketchiest reasons and ignores all other players. Turns out she skimmed the thread so it made sense she ignored other players which is why I didn't feel comfortable committing to that scum read. In terms of pressure I wouldn't drop the read if I didn't want to vote anyone but I have seniors so I had better things to vote. Also I think everyone has pushed someone because they think someone is playing badly not because they are scum so it is just something I acknowledged.

[beeboy]

Ima be honest this has been a fun game.

[beeboy]

2. That point doesn't make sense if you accept that I have meta experience with you wouldn't it be easier for me to sort you which would justify a town read this early?

When i have done nothing that's not fakeable it raises all my alarm bells.

3. I made it very clear that the reason I thought you where scum from that post was that you didn't question any of my other reads. Cakes has made very few posts and Mala hasn't actually asked many questions so both those reads should have stood out if you where actually interested in sorting my slot you would have looked at everything in that post.

1) I haven't read much of the thread i mostly skimmed coz i've been busy (watching anime together with pie), so i dont know what Cakez or Mala have been doing other than before the point i left off.
2) However it's not like i make ghostly posts while im not around, im perfectly aware of what i've been doing and my belief is that you shouldn't have a townread on me this early.
3) Now again, this doesn't explain why you had a townread on me early on.

Look at point 1

[beeboy]

Tic tac if you think I a exaggerating you don't understand seniors play at all.

Nothing they have done so far is towny. They also shouldn't have voted Snarky. They wouldn't mess up like that and do scummy things as town twice in a row then leave thread.

Neither one would be playing this safe and reserved as town. No one is this safe as town.

[beeboy]

Look at point 1

That came before you voted Sakura in the first place. Looks like backtracking now.

Mirhawk told me it wasn't scummy I backtracked and agreed with him it was just bad.
I am not saying I didn't flip flop my read I am saying it is rationalized and want to know what is wrong with it.

[beeboy]

This post is being written by The Pied Piper!

On hydras: would it be possible to sign on top rather than at the bottom?
I tend to read from top to bottom and it would be helpful to know the writer on the first readthrough.

Did I do it right?

They wouldn't mess up like that and do scummy things as town twice in a row then leave thread.

Have you played with town hippyloppy before?

I played with each of them twice as scum. Both times I was in hippy's scum team. Once I was town vs Scum EP and another game I was on a team with the Friendless Seniors hydra.
I have played with both of them as town as well.

Fun fact when I played with Seniors they helped drive a push taking advantage of snarky's play style to drive him to mason claim. They know it is an easy unreliable push.

[beeboy]

Mirhawk told me it wasn't scummy I backtracked and agreed with him it was just bad.
I am not saying I didn't flip flop my read I am saying it is rationalized and want to know what is wrong with it.

Why are you giving such weight to what Mirhawk says?
What is your read on him?

As to why it was scummy: There's a disconnect between the intensity of push and the ease with which you change your reads.

I have 1v1'd town before seen town 1v1 and am being catious.

Mirhawk is my strongest town read so Ido hold what he says highly.

[beeboy]

They know it is an easy unreliable push.

Then why aren't they pushing it? A naked vote isn't really pushing.

Why are you defending them so much?
Scum buddies maybe?

Why put a vote on a known lynch bait instead of doing something useful?

[beeboy]

@Beeboy: when you say you know how Friendless Seniors would react to you, are you talking about one of the hydra heads in particular? Or is this a Hydra that you have played with before? I don't get your conviction given that Seniors hasn't done much of anything.

I have a reasonable understanding how both would play. Randomly voting a lynch bait and providing no other good content is verrryy verrrrry far from what both would do as town. This is just general but even more truthful in regards to them because they know snarky is lynchbaity.

The delayed reaction to my joke buddy comment is more general and less specific to them.

[beeboy]

Why Seniors is scum!

-They ignored my buddy offer.
-1 page later they replied.

What this is telling me is that they are scum and want to avoid looking awkward so they didn't immediately reply to me. They thought about a reply and wanted me to stop attracting attention and posted incredibly late.
I would be scum reading anyone for doing that.

VOTE: snarky

real vote

This is exactly how Snarky plays and it surprises me both you and EP both don't know that.
Considering we just ended a game with him like 3 weeks ago.

Fun fact when I played with Seniors they helped drive a push taking advantage of snarky's play style to drive him to mason claim. They know it is an easy unreliable push that also isn't telling. Even if you don't know this anyone should be able to tell how weak the Snarky vote was regardless of meta and vote Seniors anyway.

[beeboy]

This isn't due to meta, I am using meta to back up my points but this is scummy coming from anyone.


Voting Seniors is a lot more reliable then voting whatever lynch bait that normally gets wagoned day 1.

[beeboy]

1) that is part of the problem coasting after doing scummy shot is bad
2) I like to hard push the scumiest the player in the game give me a better option I you don't like it.
3) they didn't justify the read that's the problem

You are defending the scummy slot, good shit.

[beeboy]

Your point 2 and 3 contradict each other btw pushing a scum read isn't scummy what is the potential problem with my motif?

[beeboy]

1) I meant shit the scummy vote was them coasting the overly safe way to approach my comment was the scummy shit.
2) I wasn't asking for what you look for in town I was telling you if you didn't like my push find me scum
3) I am justifying my read so this shit, I interacted with many players and I have town reads right now. I think I am doing plenty so don't discredit me like that.
4) what part of my read on seniors is fake and scummy?

[beeboy]

To 162

[beeboy]

Tictac what's your read on Seniors?

He hasn't done anything so null.

You can't honestly think that.

[beeboy]

Piper you sound down to frump the trump vote with me

[beeboy]

Tictac what part of my read on seniors is fake and scummy?

[beeboy]

Tictac what part of my read on seniors is fake and scummy?

The part where you have a strong read on a slot that hasn't done anything.
How is this difficult to get?

The part where you neglect my entire case on Seniors.

[beeboy]

Also in midsummer who where you o3o?

[beeboy]

Ew spiffy is siding with seniors

[beeboy]

This is scum seniors don't lie. No one sits around for 1 hour and makes a naked shot vote

[beeboy]

Spiff let's get obv scum seniors

[beeboy]

It means they deliberately dodged the start of the game

[beeboy]

This is EP's scum game dodging parts where he isn't comfortable and coming in with walls

[beeboy]

Both heads are obv scuming right now

[beeboy]

Spiff is prob town here even if he can't see obv scum.

[beeboy]

Pied piper is town

[beeboy]

The EP cakes town read is so soft. Same goes for there scum reads.

[beeboy]

I am obv towning so the only noteworthy thing is the Tictac read which I disagree with

[beeboy]

But the wagon is perfectly legit

[beeboy]

They have 4 lol

[beeboy]

I'd lynch Tictac as well imo

[beeboy]

Why are people scum reading dav again?

[beeboy]

In general

[beeboy]

Hey Dav who else do you think is scum right now?

[beeboy]

Cakes I am directing the same question at you.

[beeboy]

I am obv towning so the only noteworthy thing is the Tictac read which I disagree with

VI and proud heh?

idk what a VI is but if it has to do with me being obv town then yes.

[beeboy]

Dram no vote with me.

[beeboy]

Ew Dav isn't saying his other scum reads.

[beeboy]

I am obv towning so the only noteworthy thing is the Tictac read which I disagree with

VI and proud heh?

I googled this and am now sad.
:C

I found scum m9 so go help me.

[beeboy]

Briefly skimmed, but still at work so I won't have a solid post until later.

I think it was tictac that said my opening post was forced? I haven't been playing Mafia for a few months now so it's pretty refreshing to be back and I'm happy. So you can say it's forced, but it's pretty much not.

Also can someone explain the votes on the Piped piper? I'm not really sure that I'm seeing scum nacho or ploti tbh. It's a bit early to tell, but I really want someone to show me why they think they are scum.

I made a comment in my PT about bee boy and GM told me that it's just normal Beeboy, but the tunnel is getting old

~M

@This goes to anyone who says I am tunneling then.

Then find me scum, I am not tunneling we are 1 irl day and 9 pages into a game.
I have other reads and not changing my primary one is ok.
+ He is obv scumming so you should vote with me.

[beeboy]

People are saying I am tunneling, people are saying I am flip flopping.

I can never win with you people, just town read me and vote obvscum!seniors D=

[beeboy]

Why Seniors is scum!

-They ignored my buddy offer.
-1 page later they replied.

What this is telling me is that they are scum and want to avoid looking awkward so they didn't immediately reply to me. They thought about a reply and wanted me to stop attracting attention and posted incredibly late.
I would be scum reading anyone for doing that.

VOTE: snarky

real vote

This is exactly how Snarky plays and it surprises me both you and EP both don't know that.
Considering we just ended a game with him like 3 weeks ago.

Fun fact when I played with Seniors they helped drive a push taking advantage of snarky's play style to drive him to mason claim. They know it is an easy unreliable push that also isn't telling. Even if you don't know this anyone should be able to tell how weak the Snarky vote was regardless of meta and vote Seniors anyway.

None of the play is natural it is that simple.

[beeboy]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=65463

For Hiplop in RuPaul he dodged RVS started talking about roles and avoided actually reading people for the longest time.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p7545249

For Hiplop in SagaFrontier Spiffy was doing all the early game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=65288

For hiplop the time I played with him as town he actually interacted early on O=

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=27433

Second time I played with him when he was town he also interacted early on.

[beeboy]

I am sure there are deviations but there is a solid trend where he doesn't interact early as scum but he does as town.

[beeboy]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=175

EP in the game I played with him when he was scum he avoiding pushing all the primary wagons early on.

[beeboy]

Oh that was a modkill neutral survivor huehuehue.

[beeboy]

Beeboy what are your non-Seniors scum reads? You are tunneling :/

I actually said I would lynch TicTac already so I am not.

[beeboy]

Also I still want that slot to explain the Snarky vote because they are dodging that.

[beeboy]

{The Pied Piper, Mirhawk, Spiffeh}
{THE WRONG LYNCH, davesaz}
{SnarkySnowman, dramonic, podobo, pistachi0n, True Ogre, millar13, Amihan}
{SirCakez, Axelrod, Sakura Hana, Swordsworth}
{Friendless Seniors, tictac}

This is where I am at right now.

[beeboy]

Actually spiffeh is like between the 2 town zones.

[beeboy]

Well he didn't push you he did a naked vote.

I never said you pushed I said from first hand experience you should know he is lynch baity and has a weird play style. Also you didn't comment on anything else when a decent chunk of posts happened.

I can't wait to read the narrative you plan on writing though.

[beeboy]

Well he didn't push you he did a naked vote.

I never said you pushed I said from first hand experience you should know he is lynch baity and has a weird play style. Also you didn't comment on anything else when a decent chunk of posts happened.

I can't wait to read the narrative you plan on writing though.

[beeboy]

oh no hiplop

don't do this to me

when I defended you

Told you he was obv scum

[beeboy]

He is literally already starting to twist things.

pedit: but you are scum :c

[beeboy]

Ima stop pushing you until you fully catch up though.

[beeboy]

Tell me when you are caught up so I can respond to you

[beeboy]

Never seen snarky as scum, his push was weird.

You have seen him play as town though so this shouldn't be that weird, a naked vote that supports a wagon like wtf.
Well he didn't push you he did a naked vote.
I never said you pushed I said from first hand experience you should know he is lynch baity and has a weird play style. Also you didn't comment on anything else when a decent chunk of posts happened.

Guess who I didn't push in MSND? Snarky. Your push on me here seems fabricated beeboy. You usually do this as town, but not to this degree. I think you're trying to play to your town meta too much

The idea is MSND should have given you an idea on how Snarky played.
What are you talking about not to this degree? I always push my scum reads hard as town and I am not even tunneling nothing is wrong with my play right now.
It is fantastic that you are trying to scum pain me by saying I am playing to my scum meta while having a town read on me. Like a solid back up plan if the Cakes wagon fails.

Also I still want that slot to explain the Snarky vote because they are dodging that.

I haven't been around chill out buddy.

I don't think you're scum but like if you keep pushing this I'm gonan get mad

You already responded on why you had your Snarky read.
Like all you are doing here is trying to discredit me.
I don't really care if you weren't here the idea is your "serious" vote was even worse then Snarky's because you could have at least gave some reason if your vote was truly serious.

[beeboy]

Also regarding Midsummer you are being a lying scum turd about that because you did push snarky.

[beeboy]

The tiger skin is atrocious and I hate it but it's starting to grow on me

VOTE: Spiffeh I think like 7/8 people in all games I've played who have claimed to be town during rvs were actually scum.

Legit vote, not random vote.

right off the bat this is disgusting logic for a so called legit vote. and later on you keep pushing it.
nothing inherently scum about claiming town in RVS just because you've seen other scum do it.

VOTE: Snowman

Spiffeh's early scumreads are pretty consistent tone/playstyle wise with what i think of his towngame. Hippy has hydra'd with the dude so he probably knows him better.

You voted Friendless Seniors, but didn't comment why. Instead you made a disconnected joke comment to GreyICE.

Beeboy's posting looks relaxed and comfortable.

This is not even close to grounds for reading beeboy as town
but you raise a really good point about Max not immediately explaining his vote.
there's no town reason for him to do that but there is a scum reason: trying to cover up an inconsistency (saying Snowman is suspicious and then voting Trump) by giving a reason for the vote after the fact.
absinthe is thinking along the same lines as me and i like that.

townreads on absinthe and spiffeh.
scumreads on maxwell and snowman.

beeboy and absinthe probably aren't scumpartners, because that townread on beeboy was weak logic.
noting that both aristo and maxwell sort of weakly called out snowman on that spiffeh push but either delayed or deflected from it.

-EP

[beeboy]

{The Pied Piper, Mirhawk, Spiffeh}
{THE WRONG LYNCH, davesaz}
{SnarkySnowman, dramonic, podobo, pistachi0n, True Ogre, millar13, Amihan}
{SirCakez, Axelrod, Sakura Hana, Swordsworth}
{Friendless Seniors, tictac}

This is where I am at right now.

What happened to Sakura being town?

I said I had reasons to believe she was scum and reasons to believe she was town but I wasn't 100% sure which one she was. I never said she was town.

Also stop saying I am tunneling when I clearly have other reads and interactions.

[beeboy]

@cakes
What do you mean fence sitting? Fence sitting is when I don't take a stance on a popular wagon with lots of info. Sakura isnt a popular wagon nor is there any solid alignment indicative posts from her yet.

Yes a lot of my posts are about Seniors but that is a fallacy because of my post count
.

[beeboy]

tryhard because he is trying to match the insane prowess of his hydra partner

I don't agree with the snowman scumread at all,

but I can see why Ep would, I guess?

pedit: LLD, have you played with dwlee before? Is an elaborate fakeclaim something you would expect from him?

Yawn, still a false statement you pushed snowman. You didn't do anything to interact with the snowman wagon once it started taking off.

[beeboy]

cakez is scum

if you're going to let fucking beeboy lynch me I'm so done

It is almost as if I am not the only one with a scum read on you o=

[beeboy]

Since when is that fence sitting?
You're waffling everywhere on Sakura.

Fence sitting isn't having trouble reading someone sorry.

[beeboy]

Since when is that fence sitting?
You're waffling everywhere on Sakura.

Fence sitting isn't having trouble reading someone sorry.

If you're having trouble getting a read in them then why vote her so confidently earlier and slot her on the reads list?

Because for that period of time I was confident she was scum o.o
You are going in circles right now then you go.

Cakes: "flip flopping"
Me: "It isn't scummy to change your read early"
....

[beeboy]

No I said it was flip flopping but it isn't alignment indicative to have your reads change more than once in incredibly early stages of the game.

[beeboy]

Beeboy how do you have 100 posts good god

Getting seniors to 5 votes was a pain.
Also I have been holding back on posts lol.

[beeboy]

being tunneled on by two of the most stubborn players =/= fun

You are appealing to cakes here.

[beeboy]

being tunneled on by two of the most stubborn players =/= fun

You are appealing to cakes here.

What?
Also Axel is prob town

Well he is just appealing to people in general not you lol so he can flip the lynch on me when I inevitably keep trying to get him lynched today.

[beeboy]

being tunneled on by two of the most stubborn players =/= fun

like this actually pisses me off

Don't ignore valid concerns I have and pass off calling you out on it as tunneling and stubborn

That is because he doesn't want to appeal to us he wants to do it to everyone else.

[beeboy]

Flavor claim =D

[beeboy]

Also say way that character is miller based on the desc

not doing that in 5 minutes is a scum claim

[beeboy]

way = why

[beeboy]

I literally have only played with scum millers

[beeboy]

Yes you have Borderlands 2 Elyse

[beeboy]

Oh I have lol

[beeboy]

LOL

[beeboy]

VOTE: pist

[beeboy]

@amihan: Why are you so sure she's fake claiming?
@beeboy: why the vote?

(I got some time right now, so please interact with me )

Ami claimed miller

[beeboy]

3 scum down feelsgoodman

[beeboy]

What are your thoughts on me and seniors Sakura?

[beeboy]

tictac's entrance looks scummy.

Once you turn your senior's town read into a scum read we will be on the same page and I can town read you.

[beeboy]

Unvote
Vote: Pistachio

Eh, what the hell.

This strongly reads like scum preparing for what they know to be a pistachion townflip.

This is such a stretch.

Is your claim legit or not?

[beeboy]

Sttttrrreeeetttccchhh

[beeboy]

UNVOTE:

idk how I feel about Ami swaping over to my biggest town read.

[beeboy]

But this Mirhawk push sucks

[beeboy]

But this Mirhawk push sucks

No its good Mirhawk's posts just went to shit shush

I don't see how it was different from mine or anyone elses response

[beeboy]

Beeboy are you even reading the thread?

Yes

[beeboy]

VOTE: Seniors

meh those other guys can be sorted later.

[beeboy]

you ever gonna do this?
because some of the things you're spitting out are so far from logical thought that i'm surprised you're not reacting to me calling your push garbage. I mean, when I call your pushes garbage, you usually react. Why not this time?

By the way here's why I want cakez to die. not exactly the same as hippy but i'll see what hippy thinks about it.

I did would you like me to go back and quote the posts where I replied to you?

Why does it matter if I reacted to you saying you did or didn't like my read on you? I find it interesting that you where legit expecting a reply on a post where you just called me bad.
I know you said you are town reading me but the fact you are pressuring me in pretty much all your posts I am really not feeling the love.

[beeboy]

Unvote
Vote: Pistachio

Eh, what the hell.

VOTE: Mirhawk

Going to vote and then talk to GM about it. If she feels differently we will certainly change our vote, but I am frankly starting to see not-town here.

I'm not sure how if she doesn't believe that Ami cc'd, but is willing to jump onto the building train that was happening that early page on.

I'm certainly a lot more sure of Mirhawk being scum than I was when I was reading early yesterday.

~M

I am revoking my town read on you.

[beeboy]

Yeah I am fine lynching Seniors, we can just let vig ssort the millers.

Mirhawk is town and the wagon on him is trash.

[beeboy]

Never seen snarky as scum, his push was weird.

You have seen him play as town though so this shouldn't be that weird, a naked vote that supports a wagon like wtf.
Well he didn't push you he did a naked vote.
I never said you pushed I said from first hand experience you should know he is lynch baity and has a weird play style. Also you didn't comment on anything else when a decent chunk of posts happened.

Guess who I didn't push in MSND? Snarky. Your push on me here seems fabricated beeboy. You usually do this as town, but not to this degree. I think you're trying to play to your town meta too much

The idea is MSND should have given you an idea on how Snarky played.
What are you talking about not to this degree? I always push my scum reads hard as town and I am not even tunneling nothing is wrong with my play right now.
It is fantastic that you are trying to scum pain me by saying I am playing to my scum meta while having a town read on me. Like a solid back up plan if the Cakes wagon fails.

Also I still want that slot to explain the Snarky vote because they are dodging that.

I haven't been around chill out buddy.

I don't think you're scum but like if you keep pushing this I'm gonan get mad

You already responded on why you had your Snarky read.
Like all you are doing here is trying to discredit me.
I don't really care if you weren't here the idea is your "serious" vote was even worse then Snarky's because you could have at least gave some reason if your vote was truly serious.

[beeboy]

yeah, do me a huge favor and link the posts where you replied to me. Sorry if I straight up missed it.
And hell yeah i'm going to yell at you for a shit push even though you're town dude.

-EP

If you are town here it is more your play that is the problem and not my read.

[beeboy]

haven't read everything but holy shit this might be the most harebrained accusation that i have ever seen. and i've seen some shitty cases.

"HEY EP WASN'T HERE AT THE START OF THE GAME MUST BE SCUM!!!"
"DISREGARD THE FACT THAT EP WASN'T POSTING IN ANY OTHER GAMES"
"OR MIGHT HAVE HAD OTHER SHIT TO DO"
"YEAH THIS IS EP CLEARLY DODGING START OF THE GAME"

seriously beeboy? Do you want to rethink your life or your play?

because some of the things you're spitting out are so far from logical thought that i'm surprised you're not reacting to me calling your push garbage. I mean, when I call your pushes garbage, you usually react. Why not this time?

EP I have a question about this post. When you made it you expected me to react to, to avoid beating around the bush normally I get really pissed off. If I got pissed of by your remarks which is what you expected me to do, what would you have done if people started to scum read me and push me? I really don't see the motive in you trying to get me to react to you calling my wagon shit.
Like it is really bothering me I can see tons of reasons why scum would do it but literally 0 reasons town would.

[beeboy]

beeboy can you take a chill pill

I'm all for tunneling scum reads but I think you've said enough

Other things are allowed to be explored

Like Pied Piper for instance, let's wagon there!

nah I still have new things I want to say about them.

[beeboy]

Whats wrong with my fence? A miller CC is by no means a solid scumtell. I'm willing to give it a shot but it's pretty obvious that I'm not that confident in it.

In either case Ami has most certainly not claimed miller. She has implied she is the miller, she hasn't outright said it anywhere. I want a confirmation from her that this is not a gambit, because if it is then there's no reason for me to be voting Pistachio.

Are we reading the same thread?:

~M

Unvote
Vote: Pistachio

Eh, what the hell.

VOTE: Mirhawk

Going to vote and then talk to GM about it. If she feels differently we will certainly change our vote, but I am frankly starting to see not-town here.

I'm not sure how if she doesn't believe that Ami cc'd, but is willing to jump onto the building train that was happening that early page on.

I'm certainly a lot more sure of Mirhawk being scum than I was when I was reading early yesterday.

~M

I am revoking my town read on you.

go fur it. I don't care.

Just because my read doesn't agree with yours doesn't make me scum.

~M

I have a huge problem with you you saying you where scum reading him yesterday when that post above is the only thing that indicated you had a scum read on mirhawk. It is a blatant scum tell to pull stuff like that to justify your vote and it really bothers me which is why I have trouble seeing you flip town this game.

[beeboy]

Nope, GM and I were discussing reads. I had a slight town read off pages 1-5 from Mirhawk, but I said I was holding off before saying it in thread and GM said she disagreed with me on it.

I think you're misrepping me pretty bad though. I am not fabricating my scum read on him. My read changed from early pages to his current posting so I'm failing to see how I'm justifying my read on him when it obviously changed from when I caught up after work and when I went to bed yesterday. I haven't had time to talk to GM today so I'm not sure if she's caught up or where she stands.

~M

Yes I am definitely misreping you because this definitely doesn't imply you had a scum read on the slot

I'm certainly a lot more sure of Mirhawk being scum than I was when I was reading early yesterday.

~M

Ya I was a little rude but saying I am misreping you is a huge stretch.

[beeboy]

I am with Mirhawk Ami was being incredibly weird about the claim tbh.
+ the follow up push on Mirhawk was really baseless.

[beeboy]

In what world does Ami CC that as scum wtf

I thought the CC was null tbh.

[beeboy]

I am with Mirhawk Ami was being incredibly weird about the claim tbh.
+ the follow up push on Mirhawk was really baseless.

Oh look both Mirhawk and Beeboy saying the same thing yet both of them voted Ami's CC on Pistahio. Both of them had the same actions on wanting a flavor claim && a claim.

I'm positive that one of these two are probably not town.

~M

Unfortunately you are probably wrong, it wasn't the initial claim that I found odd it was the follow up that felt incredibly fishy.
I appreciate you lining up lynches though.

[beeboy]

In what world does Ami CC that as scum wtf

I thought the CC was null tbh.

Wtf CCs aren't null
Its either from town or scum, stop fence sitting

It's an unprovable role modifier.
Outside the CC the slot did nothing.
It isn't fence sitting when there isn't anything on either side of the fence.

I have also been very clear I think Mirhawk is town so I also have a solid stance on the topic.

[beeboy]

Yet you still haven't addressed the fact that you misread/misinterpreted/misunderstood/misrepped and not even bothering to correct your actions.

~M

Because I don't think I am wrong but I also don't think much can be gained out of an argument. I stated my opinion I don't plan on voting you before TicTac and FS so I am just going to leave it the way it is.

pedit: You stole my post spiffeh :/

[beeboy]

I'm having trouble reading FS. I agree with your statement podo, but I don't think that what he's doing is necessarily good scumplay either.

All we need to know is that it definitively isn't good or bad town play.

[beeboy]

I'm largely ignoring beeboy here.

I dislike how much we are being discussed. It makes no sense considering we had done nothing at the time

I get that beeboy has 140 posts (HOW) and many of them are a bit useless, but you don't get to just ignore the person yelling to lynch you, especially when other people are clearing hearing that and saying "Yeah, maybe we should just lynch you."

I don't see town!FS ignoring beeboy here.

Actually I was thinking the opposite, Town FS would ignore me.

The fact that they replied to everything I said makes me feel as though all the "rage" they are putting down is fake.

[beeboy]

Ami posted before I claimed Miller, didn't day anything about it until she CC'd me. Odd.

And why isn't she voting me? Because she knows I'll flip town, making her look suspicious?

This is actually incredibly true tbh.
VOTE: Ami

[beeboy]

oh cakes is right I didn't check the post lol
VOTE: pist

[beeboy]

VOTE: Seniors

back to this then

[beeboy]

Nah we aren't lynching Mirhawk today.

[beeboy]

Because I am towny af and I said so.

[beeboy]

@mod my vote is on seniors :C

[beeboy]

Tammy have you read the entire thread?

[beeboy]

I can't imagine me being any less obv town then this.

[beeboy]

Also you have like 6 posts so I'd like you to explain your read now.

I hope you have a good reason because it would be very easy to fabricate a read on a player that has 150/552 posts.

[beeboy]

VOTE: pist

Now that I think about it, pist has 6 posts was under major pressure and came in when he was being pushed and is now trying to coast again.

I see obv scum.

[beeboy]

I still want actual scum hunting from your slot which you STILL haven't delivered on.

[beeboy]

I want actual scum hunting I don't know how that makes me scummy for asking you something incredibly simple to do.
Why are you being so stubborn about this?

[beeboy]

EBWOP: @pist

[beeboy]

This is scum seniors don't lie. No one sits around for 1 hour and makes a naked shot vote

I do.

If it was normal coming from them they would have defended themselves instead of the point linger.

Why defend them like this? It isn't constructive at all.

[beeboy]

Unless you are aspiring to vote me what I am saying is only interacting with me for the first 200 paes of the game is pretty unconstructive.
If that is the case I find it weird you haven't voted me yet.

By discrediting my ability to read people and my seniors arguments you are defending them no matter how you try and spin it.

[beeboy]

EBWOP: @Tammy

I just find all your catch up incredibly underwhelming.

[beeboy]

EBWOP: @Tammy

I just find all your catch up incredibly underwhelming.

color me unsurprised you'd find my questioning you underwhelming.

At least we are on the same page about finding each other underwhelming

[beeboy]

If by pointing out that your over generalizations are over generalized, not helpful, or convincing in any way, then sure I'm defending them. I look at it at looking past that and trying to figure out the actual read.

If your case is based on being able to read them really well then the overgeneralized stuff is not necessary and I need to cut through stuff I don't buy into to see something that makes sense.

Yes 500 posts later I am still voting them because I don't like there RVS I don't see the problem with that.

[beeboy]

If by pointing out that your over generalizations are over generalized, not helpful, or convincing in any way, then sure I'm defending them. I look at it at looking past that and trying to figure out the actual read.

If your case is based on being able to read them really well then the overgeneralized stuff is not necessary and I need to cut through stuff I don't buy into to see something that makes sense.

Yes 500 posts later I am still voting them because I don't like there RVS I don't see the problem with that.

I have no idea if you're serious here.

But even if so, you're completely missing my point. You're making overgeneralizations about play in general and then saying oh I can read them.

The play should be about them in particular. You're saying no town would make a naked vote after one hour. That's just objectively wrong, and if you're going to claim no town do things I've seen town do all the time and do myself, I'm not going to take you seriously.

If you're going to talk about why it's specific to them, talk about that. Otherwise you're just blowing hot air.

No point in defending a push I made for a variety of reasons most of which have nothing to do with wanting Seniors lynched since my read has seriously evolved from where you are at right now.
I understand the point you are making but you are looking at what I am doing in a vacuum aren't looking at other players all that much and I still feel as though what you are doing this game underwhelming.
I feel as though what I did helped progress the game and if you don't think it is productive and you don't want to take me serious that is all on you but I am going to keep doing what I am doing.

[beeboy]

Sorry Tammy I am irritable because it is 4am for me I will avoid playing out the rest of the game like that.

[beeboy]

VOTE: seniors

Oops

[beeboy]

VOTE: Swords

I am wheeling spiffy until I get more motivated.

[beeboy]

I like how I stopped posting and Seniors is using me as excuse to idle still. Obv scuming 101

[beeboy]

Meh if you want to interpret it that way.

[beeboy]

VOTE: Seniors

I am going to stop throwing hissy fits and actually play the game properly now

[beeboy]

Orge is one of my town reads right now.

[beeboy]

Can we talk about why Mirhawk is your strongest townread? I can maybe understand a townread on his early play and I guess it's possible to townread his later play a little bit, but strongest townread? Really?

Uhh you basically just said except I must like his early play more than yours.
What are your top town reads right now?

[beeboy]

What?

I meant... what you said to justify a town read on ogre is why I am town reading him.

I am sorry >.<

[beeboy]

Cakes isn't that what I told you to get you to disengage from me

[beeboy]

I told you we where going in circles and you stopped pressuring me.

[beeboy]

I think SirCakez is my strongest townread.

On the other hand I am wary of beeboy. I'm trying to see what FS said about enthusiasm for catching scum but I can just as easily see it as an enthusiasm for BEING scum. It doesn't seem like he wants to figure things out but rather just sticking to what he's got, but at the same time there's still not much there that makes me think that can't be town too. It feels like a common playstyle here to blow as much hot air as possible.

Sorry that pressuring Sakura, Mala, Cakes, Texcat and Amihan is stagnant reads.
You are right I am making no efforts at finding scum.

[beeboy]

Why is cakes your strongest town read as well?

[beeboy]

My Pied Piper and Ogre town reads are strengthening by the second!

[beeboy]

Ewww I am getting total borderlands 2 vibes from cakes (he was my scum buddy that game).

Nothing I will pressure right now but I am going to be watching you cakes. >.>

[beeboy]

I'd settle for swords as a lynch today but not Mirhawk.

[beeboy]

As much as I don't have a read on Skybird a Sword lynch is 10x better than Mirhawk one.

A Seniors lynch is by far the best lynch all around though.

[beeboy]

As much as I don't have a read on Skybird a Sword lynch is 10x better than Mirhawk one.

A Seniors lynch is by far the best lynch all around though.

I don't follow your first sentence. In what way is your lack of a read on skybird relevant to the idea of a sword lynch being superior to a Mirhawk lynch?

I was responding to a spiff post that said we should lynch skybird and sword.

[beeboy]

>.< Yes don't rub it in

[beeboy]

Until the whole "if you guys let Beeboy lynch me" thing along with the bad catch up posts I wasn't actually 100% committed to the wagon and could have easily been swayed.

[beeboy]

But if you don't pretend you are 100% serious no one will sheep you.

[beeboy]

VOTE: Dram

I'd ship it.

[beeboy]

Can cakes explain to me the problem with dram votes.

[beeboy]

You'll notice that two of my three scumreads are on my wagon.
HOW CONVENIENT!~

EDIT: I don't think cakez likes me.
EDITx2: I play like this when scum is running around being obv. Why the fuck would I put an effort in the game with three scums screamin around and being ignored?

Spiffeh is still town

[beeboy]

EP why do you always sound fake to me it makes me sad

[beeboy]

That's a scum replace out

Meh I we should focus our attention to a less dead slot

[beeboy]

The swords replace out isn't scum at all

[beeboy]

Cakes what makes the replace out scummy?

[beeboy]

I still don't feel inspired to vote Mirhawk

[beeboy]

I'm still not sure what made the replacing out part scummy. I don't feel that way at all, it seemed unrelated to the game.

I don't think people are using that as a main reason for a scumread.

What is your stance on the slot?

[beeboy]

VOTE: Cakes

I want to do this now

[beeboy]

VOTE: Cakes

I want to do this now

[beeboy]

I haven't found any scum hunting from the Cakes slot that I actually like.
Discuss.

[beeboy]

^ agreed.

Sheep me with a Cakes vote Snarky.

[beeboy]

I haven't found any scum hunting from the Cakes slot that I actually like.
Discuss.

Do you feel Cakez is more scummy than Seniors? If so, why?

Seniors is at least pretending to legit scum hunt.

[beeboy]

Cakes scum hunting literally consists of him saying people are playing objectively poorly not scummy.
He hasn't done any solid scum hunting yet and he is trying to give off the impression he is actively doing so.

[beeboy]

Chasing after Snarky isn't going to get us anywhere imo.

[beeboy]

Cakes scum hunting literally consists of him saying people are playing objectively poorly not scummy.
He hasn't done any solid scum hunting yet and he is trying to give off the impression he is actively doing so.

Just went through 1/3rd of his ISO and i didnt get that impression, unless you think him saying your waffling was scum motivated is not scum hunting... Well actually he said waffling is scummy in general. Will read the rest of the ISO after dinner.

He still hasn't justified how waffling was scummy in that situation.
That's like saying all lurkers are scum, without an additional reason to back it up it won't get us very far.

[beeboy]

You also shouldn't be able to see the former but whatever.
Having 1 legit good push in 118 posts is pretty scummy.

[beeboy]

Although I wouldn't even give him the one until he justifies how it is scummy that I waffled once.