Mini Normal 2058 (Endgame)

[YellowSnow]

Wow I haven't posted and I'm already being scumread. A lot of Pages for me To read.

[YellowSnow]

I can feel the love.

[YellowSnow]

shoshin wheres ur scumread so i can lynch them with you

VOTE: radiantcowbells

[YellowSnow]

Cow has voted 4 times in the first 7 pages. Looks like they are Looking for reasons to vote than scum.

[YellowSnow]

Is that your opinion or fact?

[YellowSnow]

I'm not scum I'm town. I was Scum once before you can check my wiki.

[YellowSnow]

Right behind me or rc?

[YellowSnow]

Policy lynching me would be bad I think I'm a decent player.

[YellowSnow]

On what basis?

[YellowSnow]

You're not the towniest?

[YellowSnow]

I'm phone posting hard to do a thorough analyzation. I don't believe wagon hopping is town. It means you're trying to blend in and not help win for town.

[YellowSnow]

Because it looks like you're scum hunting by voting.

[YellowSnow]

Show another game where he did this g1 as town.

[YellowSnow]

I agree that boat isn't doing any real scumhunting, but at least he is being active which can be seen as pro town.

[YellowSnow]

YellowSnow
RCEnigma
Morality
Tarukus
Boats N Hoes
Vedith
Shoshin
CultOfAthena
Aurathebirb
Vorkuta

roomy
Creature
RadiantCowbells

[YellowSnow]

How is Aura conftown?

[YellowSnow]

My bad didn't see mod cofirm.

[YellowSnow]

-lack of content on your posts
-I have played with both CoA and Creature, CoA is likely to post at some point, I can't say the same for creature.

[YellowSnow]

Some town place an overemphisis on their own lynch*shrug*

[YellowSnow]

Because creature needs encouragement to post content.

[YellowSnow]

@shoshin: Resoning?

[YellowSnow]

I'm confused.

[YellowSnow]

You seem to be objectively sorting more than any other player imho.

[YellowSnow]

I call it as I see it, I think it's a little early to be worried about pocketing.

[YellowSnow]

You seem to be objectively sorting more than any other player imho.

This is NAI I can play objectively as either alignment although It's mostly my 3P game which isn't relevant in normal queue.

Stop trying to convince me you're not town.

[YellowSnow]

If Marality and Boats are scum, and the third scum is roomy or Vedith that puts town in a pretty good spot.

[YellowSnow]

VOTE: Morality

[YellowSnow]

He isn't scumhunting. And his posting feels awkward.

But I'm town.

If I had a nickle..

[YellowSnow]

Are mods more likely to replace non posting scum than town?

[YellowSnow]

^^^Very WIFOMy.

[YellowSnow]

Are mods more likely to replace non posting scum than town?

[YellowSnow]

I agree town is in a good spot right now. We just need to keep our eyes on the ball.

[YellowSnow]

Why not?

[YellowSnow]

I agree town is in a good spot right now. We just need to keep our eyes on the ball.

Why are we in a good spot?

If you don't know you're probably scum.

[YellowSnow]

Morality has slipped.
Snow isnt trying to sort.
Creature lurks as scum.

No need to sort when you know who the scum are.

[YellowSnow]

If you're playing poker and you have a full house you raise. You don't fold because the other guy might have a royal flush.

[YellowSnow]

Why not wait for Creature and CoA to post?

[YellowSnow]

I'm on board for a Boat lynch but I think we should wait.

[YellowSnow]

Uh, why RC and not me?

[YellowSnow]

I assume you're purposefully trying to be ambiguous.

[YellowSnow]

This is it.

This is the game I’m gonna lose my shit. I feel it.

Appeal to emotion?

[YellowSnow]

who would you rather lynch?

[YellowSnow]

Is this mafia or spring formal?

[YellowSnow]

Strange that creature hasn't been replaced yet.

[YellowSnow]

@COA: Have you played with Shoshin? What's your opinion of her in general?

[YellowSnow]

45996#p10745996]post 406[/url], YellowSnow"]@COA: Have you played with Shoshin? What's your opinion of her in general?[/quote]
I think she's a top-tier player. Why do you ask?[/quote]

Do you have any more specific opinions?

[YellowSnow]

Yellow leans scum for me. I'm not really buying his hop onto Morality and BnH as coming from town when he was townreading them and scumreading RC, Roomy, & Creature. Then he was like gg ez after the reads flip?

@Yellow What changed for you?

The theater changed for me. My day 1 reads are really never really a solid thing tbh. I tend to solidify more day 2 onward.

RC seems more open to listen to others and not just wagonhopping.

[YellowSnow]

That's a new wagon, not wagon-HOPPING right?

[YellowSnow]

I think it's possible. Not really sure of their meta though.

[YellowSnow]

Morality has been pretty quiet since going at it with bnh. Kinda fishy. Like I said I'd be willing to switch to bnh.

[YellowSnow]

I'm dropping my Morality push, I'm smart enough to know the fact nobody agreed with me means I'm wrong. More to say, but I'm going to let the current discussions play out a bit.

Since when does nobody agreeing with you mean you're wrong?

[YellowSnow]

I think yellow was way too eager to hop on board and push the scum theater idea, and now he's backtracking

I'm not backtracking. I still think it could very well be SvS and I said as much.

[YellowSnow]

I've been focusing on recent conversations. There's been a lot to digest.

[YellowSnow]

@RadiantCowbells we get it you are town. I was obviously wrong earlier.

Why are you so confident in creature?

[YellowSnow]

@RadiantCowbells we get it you are town. I was obviously wrong earlier.

Why are you so confident in creature?

what is this even referring to?

He's been acting much more town.

[YellowSnow]

Why are you focused on bnh and don't have anything to say on anyone else?

[YellowSnow]

And...the obligitory OMGUS vote.

if this doesn't confirm me as town I don't know what does. My vote's staying on Morality the rest of the day. (unless something significant changes).

[YellowSnow]

Of course anyone who thinks you're scum is ignorant. It couldn't be you're actually scum.

[YellowSnow]

Yay I found scum. Let's get this day over with.

[YellowSnow]

You're threatening to quit and you call me ignorant?

[YellowSnow]

Maybe I'm a better mafia player than you think and you're being surface level.

[YellowSnow]

You have a good reason for marginalizing me then. Of course any newer player doesn't have any good reason to think you're scum and couldn't possibly be right.

[YellowSnow]

The wifom is blinding me.

[YellowSnow]

Creature+Vedith scum more likely than RC+Soshin scum.

VOTE: Roomy

Morality has actually been posting a bit better. Especially compared to Creature.

[YellowSnow]

Do you think Roomy is town or scum?

[YellowSnow]

Feel free to.

[YellowSnow]

If you say so.

[YellowSnow]

Are you going to post something worthwhile?

[YellowSnow]

Considering switching my vote to creature but kinda making me queasy because he did this exact same thing last game and was town. I like to learn from my mistakes. He hasn't done anything to help us though.

[YellowSnow]

@Radiant do you care if creature is town?

[YellowSnow]

that makes no sense.

[YellowSnow]

Obviously... do you think his meta points to town or scum.

[YellowSnow]

How so?

[YellowSnow]

I think you're the only one that's confident in you as town. Not that confident on COA based on her dodging my questions. This seems like a pretty crappy townblock actually.

[YellowSnow]

I asked her about her play history and specific opinions about Shoshin and she didn't answer either question.

[YellowSnow]

Is there a game where you took responsibility for a poor play?

[YellowSnow]

@Vedith the point is to see what they think.

[YellowSnow]

Should I be offended at being read less town than Creature?:(

[YellowSnow]

DrD is doubting Moralities schitzophrenia. He must be town.

[YellowSnow]

How do we know creature is scum?
-1 Cow.

[YellowSnow]

Vedith seems pretty scummy to me, considering joining the wagon.

Who do you think is scum DRD?

[YellowSnow]

@boats: Why are Aura and Vorkuta your top town reads?

[YellowSnow]

facepalm, keep on forgetting.

[YellowSnow]

How do we know creature is scum?

False confidence.

How is this confidence? Asking is the opposite of confidence.

[YellowSnow]

I guess I need to be more confident.

VOTE: creature

[YellowSnow]

And RC, while you're here, I don't remember you ever talking about policying anybody. Why here?

That's l-2.

[YellowSnow]

ok i get it now.

Unvote

[YellowSnow]

He wasn't talking about me so I'm rethinking my position.

[YellowSnow]

Originally it looked like he was trying to make up a reason to scumcase me.

[YellowSnow]

Creature looks more like a policy lynch from my perspective. I'm not 100 percent against policy lynches but if that's what it is at least be honest about it.

[YellowSnow]

So what has creature done that is scummy other than not being active?

[YellowSnow]

What is COA and Soshin's scum meta?

[YellowSnow]

It seems to me you're just looking for reasons to scumread me. Why wouldn't I want to learn from my mistakes? The alternative is not learning from my mistakes.

[YellowSnow]

@aura are "trying to appear town" and "being town" mutually exclusive? Shouldn't town try to appear town?

[YellowSnow]

To me townblocking is a major part of townwinning and towntelling is a major part of townblocking.

[YellowSnow]

aura is third to the bottom on activity so maybe she is intimidated by people who post.

[YellowSnow]

I don't completely agree with it but I'm okay with that town block. It gets us somewhere at least.

[YellowSnow]

Soshin/DDL/Vedith maybe?

[YellowSnow]

Vedith is just scummy all around.

Soshin is lurking

DDL is active lurking.

[YellowSnow]

I don't like the contribution levels of roomy and DrD both being similarly bad.

[YellowSnow]

if they are contributing to finding scum.

[YellowSnow]

I'm not, it's the quality of the lurking that bothers me.

[YellowSnow]

You can lurk and still provide high content posts.

[YellowSnow]

I never called you scum. I’m still optimistically hoping you’re town and will choose to deal with that at a later time.

Oh!

VOTE: Vedith
Because as much as I love Saitama, you seem to be WAAAY too preoccupied with what/how other people think of you.

Should I claim?

Do you think Yellow is town?

No idea

He isn't scumhunting. And his posting feels awkward.

But I'm town.

you thought wrong

Hmm thats odd.

Scum are more likely to lack motivation in a playerlist this strong.

Disagree

637 is scummy.

It's NAI

These are all bad posts.

[YellowSnow]

Except Vediths is actually a fair sample wheras mine is not.

[YellowSnow]

Let's lynch Vedith then.

VOTE: Vedith

[YellowSnow]

Should we base our actions regarding Shoshin being town if the odds of her being town aren't high?

[YellowSnow]

Nah. Townblock 4ever!

VOTE: Shoshin

[YellowSnow]

Did Shoshin just list 7 of 13 players as scum?

[YellowSnow]

That seems pretty fency to me.

[YellowSnow]

re Shoshin for a player with so little content I would expect more specific reads when they do post. COA said she's a good player and she hasn't played like it yet.

[YellowSnow]

Creature>Shoshin at this point.

[YellowSnow]

Based on what @RC.

[YellowSnow]

Is this out of Shoshin's scumrange?

[YellowSnow]

@Snow, what does Creature > Shoshin mean?[/quote]

It means Creature is more likely town. Could be town v town but I doubt it.

[YellowSnow]

Is this out of Shoshin's scumrange?

Stop asking generic ass questions

How is this generic?

[YellowSnow]

How does 4 posts count as "most of my iso?"

I think I am gamesolving more than most of the players here.

[YellowSnow]

Shoshin = You are scum because you really think I am scum.

[YellowSnow]

Because it seems like you are purposefully holding back. COA had meta on you and you are not playing like a high quality town player.

[YellowSnow]

You seem very fency and non-committal.

[YellowSnow]

You seem like you'd be willing to vote for almost any player.

[YellowSnow]

Fence sitting is a scum tell

[YellowSnow]

This is where I'm at on this game.

Aura

, Vorkuta, Enigma,

Radiant

, and

COA

are my strongest townreads. I won't consider lynching here unless everyone else is dead. And I think there's reasons to scumread every other player in the game.

I'm trusting Radiant that

Boats

/

Snow

is town, at least for today. I was scumreading Boats because his analysis is so mechanical, almost reminds me of someone like Mathblade, but I'm willing to let that go for the moment. I had Snow as strong town earlier but after reading through one of his scum games I don't feel comfortable with that read anymore. I think the way he quickly changed course on his reads was opportunistic in precisely the same ways he was opportunistic as scum, plus I think his forgetfulness about Aura isn't as towny as I thought on first impression.

I have

Tarkus

as null. He feels less scummy than his play in one of his scum games, but I need to check his town games because he's still lurking here in ways that resemble scum.

Vedith

is playing like trollish scum. I have nothing to say on this because despite scumreading his slot, I've been told his is just how he plays by Radiant. So, again, I'm willing to leave this slow alone for today.

I scumread Morality from the start of the game. I thought he was trying too hard in the early parts of the game, cluttering the game with tons of pointless posts, and he hasn't actually made any attempt to scumhunt. His recent posts trying to cast me as scum aren't great either, especially since he seems to be doing the typical scum thing of ignoring large aspects of what I'm doing so that he can make me look scummy. Radiant agrees with this read, so

Morality

is up for lynching as far as I'm concerned.

roomy gave me strong vibes. I thought the fact that he replaced out after just a small amount of bickering from two players felt fake, especially since it didn't even involve him.

DDL

's play has been shit. His meta on me is crap. His attempt to scumread both me and Enigma is based entirely on dumb details that have nothing to do with alignment (e.g. his notion that haven't been following up on things when I'm actually following up on everthing, just not necessarily shitting the thread up with all my thoughts). I think he's scumreading me and Enigma based on associative tells rather than actual scumhunting (e.g. me and Enigma are townreading each other, so it seems like we're a team, even though there's actaully really good reasons for each of us to be townreadig each other).

Creature

lurked out the first parts of the game, then entered the game posting lots of crap, superficial and shitty scumread on me that he should know better than to hold, especially after Starcraft Mafia, so who knows? I don't feel like he's been making a fair attempt at trying to read me, at least in the ways he usually will do. I also think Creature usually makes more of an attempt to fairly read lower post count players like myself, so the fact that he isn't doing that here is very concerning. He's probably scum.

If I had to guess a scumteam, I'd guess Creature, DDL, Morality (coincidence that they're all scumreading me?), and if those are wrong, it's Vedith with maybe Boats/Snow/Tarkus.

Green=Agree Red=Disagree Blue=Confirmed

[YellowSnow]

I really think Shoshin is better than Morality here.

[YellowSnow]

As far as lynching I mean.

[YellowSnow]

If you think Shoshin is almost always town more than any other player than statistically that is poor logic.

[YellowSnow]

Why do you think CoA is town more than Morality?

[YellowSnow]

This looks like going for low hanging fruit more than trying to catch scum.

[YellowSnow]

Ok, this exchange changed my mind.

VOTE: Morality

[YellowSnow]

Confident in town Shoshin, not so sure about CoA but I'll take RC's word on it for now.

[YellowSnow]

Townblock = Me, RC, Soshin, CoA, Boats, Creature?

[YellowSnow]

And Aura of course.

[YellowSnow]

This is laziness? What's the opposite?

[YellowSnow]

I'm still pretty convinced on ScumMorality.

[YellowSnow]

Based on what?

[YellowSnow]

going off on anyone who suspects you is town?

[YellowSnow]

re Shoshin for a player with so little content I would expect more specific reads when they do post. COA said she's a good player and she hasn't played like it yet.

I don't recall saying I'm a good player. Other people have said it about me, but I've made no such claim. Honestly, I despise the "Wow, she's supposed to be good but she's being pretty disappointing, guess she's not as good as blahblah" more than anything.

I meant you said Shoshin was a good player. She's played better since her Morality exchange than before.

[YellowSnow]

Aurathebirb
YellowSnow

Shoshin
Creature
RadiantCowbells
RCEnigma
Boats n Hoes
CultOfAthena
Tarkus
Vorkuta

Vedith
DrDolittle
Morality

[YellowSnow]

COA is not my preferred Lynch today.

[YellowSnow]

This is scumcoa

VOTE: cultofathena

[YellowSnow]

I'm pretty sure townCOA would at least say something during twilight.

[YellowSnow]

Day one reads are usually not that much of a concrete thing in my experience.

[YellowSnow]

So if CoA flips town then Morality is town? This line of reasoning doesn't make much sense.

[YellowSnow]

I agree about Morality but I'm not sure why BnH is such a slam dunk.

[YellowSnow]

ehh feel like RC dies regardless of how CoA flips.

I think scum might keep him alive to push me.

I guarantee if he lives he comes after me before he goes Boats.

Push you how? If you're town then you should be able to scum hunt regardless of what the scum team does.

[YellowSnow]

If creature is scum I'll eat my shorts.

[YellowSnow]

If creature is scum I'll eat my shorts.

So back to my question, have you played with CoA before?

Yes, my profile is updated.

[YellowSnow]

I refuse to talk about someone in the past tense who is standing before me.

[YellowSnow]

are we quicklynching Morality no matter what?

[YellowSnow]

Why BnH first?

[YellowSnow]

And can you lay out the reasoning on BnH?

[YellowSnow]

[YellowSnow]

I'm starting to lean town on Morality.

VOTE: JohnnyEnglish

Because Cow is dead and Vedith(his slot) was high on Cow's scumlist.

[YellowSnow]

RC
Aurathebirbbrain
CoA
YellowSnow
BnH
Vorkuta

Still all town

Leaning town on RCE they're the almost town block

I really don't know about Shoshin/Creature/Morality/Vedith rn

Scumreading Tarkus/DDL

Not according to this post. I'd be willing to vote Tarkus as well. Something Smart possibly but not high on my list right now. I'm treating Aura/BnH/Vorkuta/Morality as townblocked.

[YellowSnow]

You did actually read his post right?

[YellowSnow]

I don't think Cow replaces out if he's scum after a town modkill.

[YellowSnow]

Shoshin's posting patterns seemed like she might have known who the scum were, she seemed way too sure of herself for town.

RC not the case.

Smart is emulating Shoshin's posting patterns in that regard.

[YellowSnow]

Considering Shoshin was not on the CoA wagon she should have been questioning herself a lot more on day 2.

[YellowSnow]

Yes I meant creature is dead sorry. But my argument still applies.

[YellowSnow]

Have any of you played in a game where Smart replaced in and what is his replacing meta?

[YellowSnow]

How are you being productive BnH?

[YellowSnow]

Have you ever claimed miller as scum Morality?

[YellowSnow]

YS: RC connection and I think he's been in his scum range here. His focus on scumreading lurking and lack of contribution but then not scumreading me until today (I think?) sets off alarms.

I hate it when you get pinged because you DON'T scumread someone. I mean how are you supposed to respond to that? The fact is that there were other fish to fry at the time. It doesn't mean I didn't think you were scummy.

[YellowSnow]

Especially considering we lynched scum day 1 and there was a modkill day 2.

VOTE: Tarkus

[YellowSnow]

Why do we lynch RC? I shouldn't be on the table.

[YellowSnow]

Tarkus criticizing me for not scumreading him when we have not mislynched yet is enough reason to vote him now.

[YellowSnow]

Unless someone has a night action result which implicates someone I doubt we are going to get something scummier than that.

[YellowSnow]

How so?

[YellowSnow]

@ankamius so who is in your lynch pool?

[YellowSnow]

RIP Luke Perry.

[YellowSnow]

Who is actually in the neighborhood? If we look at who didn't vote for CoA and contrast that against who isn't in the neighborhood maybe that would be a good place to start.

[YellowSnow]

So that leaves a lynch pool of Vorkuta, Smart, Dunn and Johnny

[YellowSnow]

There's no inconsistancy. I call it as I see it. You should be more worried about those who didn't vote for CoH than nitpicking me.

[YellowSnow]

CoA I mean.

[YellowSnow]

Obviously. I don't know where though.

[YellowSnow]

VOTE: Vorkuta

[YellowSnow]

Yes.

[YellowSnow]

It seems kind of opportunistic to make a case like this after he left the game and not before.

[YellowSnow]

Why?

[YellowSnow]

Vorkuta's reads are all about gut and not about any computational analysis of what is actually happening in the game. Which is fine if you just want to lynch random people, which we shouldn't.

[YellowSnow]

I don't feel like BnH ever wanted to agressively challenge RC when he was here.

[YellowSnow]

Also, I see nothing indicating any reads in your ISO aside from agreeing with Boon's town bloc.

I haven't talked about my reads yet and no one has asked what they are so that may be why.

People need to ask for reads to be given? I said that to imply I wanted to know your reads.

And this was not subtle.

Noting Morality ignored me again. For all intents and purposes I'm voting both Morality and Snow right now.

also this almost always makes bnh/morality wolf/wolf on top of everything else
there are tons of points in the game that make bnh/morality wolf/wolf

like literally dozens

In fact considering this post I consider BnH's points to be fairly OMGUS.

[YellowSnow]

aura

RC
Vorkuta

vedith
rcenigma

boon



the scum reads are stronger than the town ones.

[Aura, Boats]
[Vorkuta > RC]
[Shoshin]
[CultOfAthena, Roomy, Tarkus]
[RCE > Vedith > Creature]
[Snow > Morality]

the lower and righter the scummier

{Aura, Boats}
{Vorkuta, RC}
{CoA}
Confident town core of 4 so far, pre good. Hope Creature obv towns by the time I wake up and makes it 5. Gn!

Boats
Aura
Vorkuta

RC
CoA

DDL
RCE (this is reliant on Creature!scum)

YellowSnow

Shoshin
Tarkus
Vedith
Morality

Creature

I would love 3 of the bottom 4 to be scum and this be a wrap. I am more solid CoA and up reads wise, the bottom is more nebulous.

You seem to pretty consistantly townread RC up until now.

[YellowSnow]

Not necessarily.

[YellowSnow]

So who was scummier RC or CoA?

[YellowSnow]

Hey Dunn! Hopefully you are one of the one's in my lynch pool who is town. I had fun winning with you as scum last time. Would love to win with you again.

[YellowSnow]

Nope I didn't see it.

[YellowSnow]

The case itself isn't bad, I'm just a little suspicious of the timing of it.

[YellowSnow]

I'm not comfortable lynching anyone on the CoA wagon or in the neighborhood unless there is an overwhelming case.

[YellowSnow]

Because CoA was scum and in the absense of other evidence I think those contributing to a red lynch should be given the benefit of the doubt. Sure scum will bus but overall scum need town to be lynched and not scum to win.

[YellowSnow]

It's called crumbing.

I don't think scum would purposefully lynch the traitor unless necessary.

This is all WIFOM to be honest and I think vote analysis gives us a better chance of victory.

[YellowSnow]

Yes.

[YellowSnow]

Especially if you're a traitor.

[YellowSnow]

Well if she was lynched day 1 she was't a very good traitor. It doesn't mean she didn't try to crumb.

[YellowSnow]

Let's lynch in the non-COA non-hood pool. If I'm wrong then we can reevaluate tomorrow. But I don't think I'll be wrong. We don't want to lynch a CoA lyncher and be down another townie.

[YellowSnow]

I think Smart is just being a little obtuse right now. Doesn't mean he won't improve.

[YellowSnow]

There's no scum claim if anyone is scum here it's Smart.

[YellowSnow]

9:4 isn't insane if there's a traitor and an all town neighborhood.

[YellowSnow]

I still don't like lynching BnH here and would prefer Vorkuta/Dunn/Smart in that order.

[YellowSnow]

@Vorkuta calling me OMGUS tunneling is just plain ridiculous. I've said exactly why I have you on the top of my lynch pool and it's not for voting me. To indicate otherwise is just distorting the truth and reinforces my belief that you are scum.