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mood tbhIn post 559, JacksonVirgo wrote:The replacement is literally the worst! :c- the worst
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and with that teacher wins my vanity rvs townread!In post 45, teacher wrote:I’m sad there were no rvs wagons. I’ve got a townlean in gardenia a bit. Not crazy about gyros, they need some more tzarziki. Interested to see what fish is doing.
Fishy vs. Chibiie on pg. 3 is something I'd like to call JUST SILLY. it's such a silly conversation. the silliness is aggressive. as of pg. 3 I have a notable lack of a townread on Fishy. no real read on Chibs through this either but I don't know him as well so idk if I should be forming a read on him this early or not. Are they scum together? Maybe. Is there a townie in this convo? Maybe. Is this convo just silly? Absolutely.
okay speaking non-duck: they both posted quite a lot and imo neither towntold thru the conversation; I'm marking this as weakly +scum- the worst
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It was unspoken but if you're asking this for the same reason I asked this: the SvS possibility floated past my brain as wellIn post 76, teacher wrote:
Why would you warn scum and tell them what the questions can be used for? What advantage do you get out of that?In post 65, Formerfish wrote:I might step on your toes a bit, but thats on purpose.- the worst
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Mindmeld w the saladman27 here - I didn't really get the "crunchy" thing at first but I like this termIn post 94, Saladman27 wrote:Crunchy /ˈkrʌntʃi/
Adjective
To defend yourself with aggressive posts.
I coined the term from CapnCrunch, someone in my old newbgames who basically had a "Crunchy" playstyle. The link is actually an ISO.- the worst
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(this is a fishy - VOTE: formerfish if it's not counted)
at the end of pg 5 and I like this- the worst
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Uncrowned and JacksVir:why vote Gyro? (Jacks, if you have reasoning past "not explaining his naked vote on ff" I would appreciate it)- the worst
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sorry Jacksy - just read this post. mostly wanna hear from Uncrowned aorn.In post 373, JacksonVirgo wrote:no- the worst
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don't dislike this take - I think in this kind of scenario it's better to stay on the scumbag you're more confident in flipping scum. I don't really have much of a read on gyro atm and I think Fishy is explicitly scummy. I think Gyro's vote makes sense as either distancing, or because he's read the thread, seen that Fishy is a massive scumbag and voted him.In post 398, JacksonVirgo wrote:Gyro/Fish are a SvS
Not town indicative for Gyro
But it makes me want to lynch Mr. Fishy more and work back from there
Just food for thought; I'm seeing trajectory to your Gyro vote.- the worst
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Fuzanglong - basic tonal read would be town but I don't think they've really done much alignment indicative; good slot to revisit
Gyro Zeppeli - doesn't give a fuck how he's perceived which gives me a bit of pause. mentality is probably town tho. fwiw I've found his posts heavily relatable and think they probably come from a solving mindset who isn't super invested/doesn't feel the need to be townread, rather than a scum mindset who wants to force an agenda but post little enough that he's not mislynched. his takes haven't been popular. they've gone against the grain. but ngl they've aligned more with how I've been seeing things. looks like a dude who's been spending more time looking for scum than sitting on the thread tryna be townread; this is prolly town most of the time.
bugspray - I think bugspray is pretty towny tbh his thought processes don't feel forced. the entire "to defend self or not to defend self?" argument from my pred was not something I was a big fan of and I don't think it was necessary; Bugs if scum also isn't using the situation to try and draw attention to his great towniness!!, nor is he taking notes on how to better handle the town. there's no survivalism there. he's doing his thing. as of d1 scum survival is substantially more important to their wincon than town's is to town's wincon. bugs' iso is just pretty pure. I also think I could see the thought process with his early scumteamreads; it's not a strat that's mathematically valuable in using early-game (just lynch scum!!) but I think the approach is solvey. it also systematically alienates like 4 slots which is... not something a scum mindset usually does. imo the wagon on him was sketchy and the gamestate stalling while he was wagon indicates scum were likely happy with it happening. lots of small things but I think he's probably just town.
Uncrowned - mmm not sure
JacksonVirgo - this is probably town; quoted readlist and realtime interactions smell like real thoughts. I'll check this but feels good.
gardenia - early-game firm townread but I'm not really sure; her attention recently being more focused on shading players when it's in vogue was a bit pingy. need more gard in my life but tentatively >rand town
teacher - normally I'm the one panicking about a "deepwolf" teacher (deepwolf is scum/wolf who is difficult to lynch and/or widely townread) - and I think he's my firmest townread here. unless he's suddenly turning into a strong intuitive scum player I think the reads he's spat out here have been critical in a way I don't think teacher can form as scum as quickly/effortlessly as he can as town. his swiftness in doing it and constant pressure with a tangible trajectory makes me think town.
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Formerfish - is top-posting this game yet has done nearly nothing; his reads are superficial and his pushes struck me as constantly being on players who are in vogue to push. he's added pressure to slots sure but he's added pressure to VULNERABLE slots and he's largely done this through a style of snarky shading; he wants to make people look bad but isn't all that interested in actually forcing them to pump out alignment indicative info. he looks like a scumbag. :u
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was still catchin up qtIn post 574, Formerfish wrote:
You are missing a lot and it means you're likely scum here. Town you wouldn't be making this push on me at all.In post 573, the worst wrote:
don't dislike this take - I think in this kind of scenario it's better to stay on the scumbag you're more confident in flipping scum. I don't really have much of a read on gyro atm and I think Fishy is explicitly scummy. I think Gyro's vote makes sense as either distancing, or because he's read the thread, seen that Fishy is a massive scumbag and voted him.In post 398, JacksonVirgo wrote:Gyro/Fish are a SvS
Not town indicative for Gyro
But it makes me want to lynch Mr. Fishy more and work back from there
Just food for thought; I'm seeing trajectory to your Gyro vote.
You wanna die ducky?
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{tw}
{teacher, bugsy}
{gyro > jacks, gard}
{fuzang, uncrowned}
{fishy}
keep forgetting fuzang is here that's not good- the worst
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Pedit is a preview edit; someone posted before me so I edited my post in preview mode.
In my case I realised fishy took the page bottom post so I edited in a "yoink" for the pagetop.- the worst
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That is definitely something I would do as a secret scumbag. Luckily I'm town this time.- the worst
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Little stronger town on Gyro- the worst
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duck quackin'
teacher teachin'
things are as they should be- the worst
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yeah but mostly at a ~good vibe~ level in the spur of the moment. Putting him a whole tier higher felt kind of weirddd because I don't think he's actually don't things that are super towny and hard to fake as scum, I just see his mindset as more likely town than scum.- the worst
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It's hard to townread another slot over yourself tbf but I getchu. I wrote up my paragraph on Gyro last thing before I slipped out of the thread before so I think I've done that thing to myself where my last memory of him was warm fuzzy feelings; still think he's town but I'm also aware I'm slightly tunnelling myself into townreading him tonight.
how are you feeling about Mr. Fishy aorn? any thoughts on my idea of pushing the scum who is easier to read correctly and hunting back from there?- the worst
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Yeah nice. Former is scum, friends.- the worst
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I think gyro is a mislynch.- the worst
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teacher: assuming I die tonight I'm outsourcing powerlynching Fishy to you. please do the right thing by me :<- the worst
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I called Fishy out for scumplay and explained why I thought Gyro was a mislynch. Rather than engage with this in good faith, Fishy waits for L-1 then lolhammers to end the phase and cut out conversation.
Coming into d2 he suggests I night-killed Bugspray because I'm scum and I want to set Formerfish up. I can explain why that suggestion is absurd and disingenuous if anyone would like.- the worst
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those are the slots I have the least confident reads on; given d1 ended like 12 hours after I got here and coming into d2 two of my townreads are flipped town and my strong scumread is still alive and my surviving strong townread is softing cop I haven't evaluated these like. at all yet.In post 616, teacher wrote:Quacker, I’d rather revisit 575 - that’s a fairly row sided readslist. Could you dig deeper on uncrowned, JV, and fuzzy?
576 has weighting btw if that helps- the worst
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you tpr one of bugs/teach? idk. I didn't really clock the post in my catchup and don't see whatever datisi is replying to there, no.In post 618, Formerfish wrote:In post 519, Datisi wrote:
Tone it down, FF. We get it.In post 517, Formerfish wrote:
You're half right. Touch the wrong half and I'll cut you.In post 511, JacksonVirgo wrote:Teacher/Bug lol
Ducky, explain what this post might mean.- the worst
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~ resounding lack of counter-claim ~- the worst
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scum ducky is super fun to play with. sorry for being so dry.
I'm not gonna pretend to have god reads off a rushed 12 hour catchup and the fact you expect me to have like read a specific interaction between you and my pred and anticipated it a certain way and also have a scumbuddy who didn't draw my attention to it and also be scum for that is absurd. :/- the worst
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that is literally "I don't like your behaviour rn therefore you are aligned with the mafia". you also then think datisi was aligned with the mafia. take a step backwards and try harder Fishy. I don't believe town!you gets so caught up about such a silly thing.- the worst
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wouldn't have it any other wayIn post 633, teacher wrote:Ducky, understood on the reads. Just know I will be expecting them over the course of today.
jsyk I will be partnerhunting for fishy unless he's literally cleared because I am not in a position where I feel even slightly wrong.- the worst
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What do you think I'm doing? I looked at your ISO, see an absence of towntells, some real slimy looking stuff, and I think you're scum for it.In post 636, Formerfish wrote:
Dont talk down to me about my play, thats not going to end well for you in this game.In post 634, the worst wrote:that is literally "I don't like your behaviour rn therefore you are aligned with the mafia". you also then think datisi was aligned with the mafia. take a step backwards and try harder Fishy. I don't believe town!you gets so caught up about such a silly thing.
You dont realize that you are the donkey at the table and my cards are the nuts. Fold or go all in big guy.
My 3 townreads off my rushed catchup are now all confirmed town. if you're town I'm not even close to "99% incorrect"; so I need you to show me. Please cut out the bravado dude. I'll cool it too. We've had too many good games together to play the defamation game.- the worst
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of course - v easy to find partners on rereads of a d2 guilty.In post 638, teacher wrote:I don’t have a clear, I have a guilty, so I’d rather you try to read pure to the extent you can because I’m looking at how people play around certain slots (tbc, my result is not necessarily in those three. But I want people to react to those three, for ....reasons..... that are a bit complex)- the worst
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Yes, then no, then yes, then I suspected you were vig - overall I did fine. You showed some stuff there that's outside of your scumrange and I think your interactions with Chibz here miiiiight have blocked you from exhibiting similar tells here but regardless: I don't think you've done a thing outside your scumrange. And I don't think what you *have* done is actually all that towny.In post 640, Formerfish wrote:What was i in the Ali treestump game, did you read me correctly there?
I'm not interested enough in meta to claim proficiency in reading. I believe that we're friends and I'd rather have a sincere straightforward conversation about what we're seeing here, rather than what we've both been doing: if we're t/t, there's a respectful way to have this conversation without either of us being alien.In post 640, Formerfish wrote:What are my town tells to you? Because I havent seen you show a proficiency in reading me at all bro.
Do you think you've shown towntells here which I should have picked up on? (particularly given my dubious proficiency in reading you)
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Again not claiming god reads off a rushed catchup - I like to think my townreads are quite good when I do them firsthand but it can be hard to tell scum from people who aren't doing towny things. if you think I should be seeing something specific point it out - otherwise I'm happy to interact with my nulls and resume this later.- the worst
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I am too At Work to reread your ISO rn but again, we can resume this later in the phase / d3 (obv. before lylo)- the worst
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We can resume it when I FEEL LIKE IT fishy- the worst
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bruh my townreads have been 3/3 so farIn post 687, Formerfish wrote:How did ducky have such a good townread on that slot when he has admitted his reads are shit so far?
like mechanically
not even close to shit: just not confident on the balance. if you wanna sell me that you're town, hmu.
gonna need you to play the game without this confbias nonsense fam bc it's impossible to read you thru it. suspect our 1v1 resolves itself by d3 like clockwork.- the worst
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jsyk our townie mindsets show more if we DON'T lean on teacher to produce content now that he's IC'd but has a decent chance of dying tonight - we should be talking amongst ourselves rather than overfocusing on there being a guiltyIn post 685, Fuzanglong wrote:Tbh I also agree with Jackson though FF, you're being very aggressive and day 2 barely started,,, esp to someone who called a mislynch on gyro :/
Not voting just yet, but I'm scumleaning FF and will wait for teacher (and others to respond) too
let's say I have an inno on Mr. Fishy - hypothetically ofc - where would you go in {JV, tw, Uncrowned}?
sounds like you think my read on gyro yday was towny? I think it was but I'm interested to see why you think so.- the worst
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why are you you being so grating this game dude
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these are all attempts to engage with you about the game in good faith rather than trying to advance a pissing contest, Fishy. I don't feel any more onus to "engage with you in [better] faith". If I'm wrong on you and you don't feel it's fair, I'd really enjoy working with you again. I'm not really enjoying your tact this phase.
pedit: I have limited interest in your ISO but will do a reread when I have more time/when it's more urgent to sort you accurately. If we're both town we have a pool to find two scum in. If we scumread each other we have partner hunting to do. There's more important stuff here.
Do you think I'm smart town when I need to be?- the worst
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Sadly hunting for mislynches / town by gamestate isolation ("they have no allies itt therefore they're likely town") doesn't really work after that tell has been discussed in a game. Gyro was that townie this game. We're gonna need to get more creative.- the worst
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I'm gonna chill out a bit because regardless of your alignment, the way you're steering the thread atm doesn't interest me. I don't play mafia to try and vca isolated vote counts, or angleshoot scum equity in replacements. There's much more fun had in social deception and looking at contextual vca.
Fishy if you're town you're kind of alienating rn; let's let eth0s get here, and let him and the other newbie slots talk a bit more.- the worst
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Talking policy for a moment: I know teacher quite well and he's either just a cop, or has been setting this up from the start of day one as scum. If he's also been trying to look as towny as possible (i.e. likely setting himself up to win lylo and endgame), where a cop gambit would be better executed by a more vulnerable scumbuddy. Ergo he's very likely actually claiming cop. Claiming a true guilty d2 is also optimal play as a cop.
Basically we're not doubting teacher d2 at all. If someone can use the setup to counter-claim and prove his role doesn't exist, we can reevaluate. Otherwise we all play the game until he outs his guilty, partnerhunt from there, lynch the guilty, and then town win happy end.
So no shading teach - if you need to counter-claim do it in your next post. Otherwise treat him as conftown and work on the rest of the slots.- the worst
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This is more creative, and something I agree with. Standing behind a vocal 1v1 (particularly if fishy/me is t/t) does make a lot of sense from scum!fuz.In post 719, Uncrowned wrote:I kinda follow you, but I still think it could be a factor? There's something about the pressure on FF that I'm not liking, especially from Fuz, since it's the first time she's coming out to say anything with substance against another player.
There's a reason I have her south of null. Imo her play on d1 as well was very passive (I keep forgetting she's here :c sorry Fuz)
@Fuz- any chance of a full read list? If you have players you're not sure on yet it's ok to mark them null.- the worst
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just to compare: JV diving in with the vote here is a markerly more aggressive stance. JV also feels generally unapologetic for his read.In post 668, JacksonVirgo wrote:From my current point of view, FF seems like the scummiest person here; if you have a problem deal with it
VOTE: Formerfish
Normally I'd pin this is fairly town indicative but the "ig you have a problem deal with it" gives me like the tiniest bit of pause
basically I think JV is townier than Fuz which doesn't really come as much of a surprise to me.
I don't think Uncrowned/Fuz is a likely scumteam after #719 tbf. I think I had Uncrowned down to look at based off partner equity with Fish which I think I still want to be pretty wary of; I think I can say in a world where Fish is town I don't think Uncrowned has a particularly scummy scumbuddy
While I'm at it: sorry to drag you into the fray teacher, do you think I should be townreading Fishy? Not going down trust tell territory but if you think my d1 misread was stupid I'll shelf it.- the worst
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problem w this is JV is being completely earnest and that still doesn't tell me anything further abt his alignment- the worst
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their alignment** sorry
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maybe - I agree I don't like the "haha I need to catch up : )" posts but like he actually hasn't been online so I'm not really inclined to bite at the first one.
JV *might* be scum - sights more heavily set on Fuz aorn- the worst
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I'll explain why post-game Fuz - pretend Fishy and teacher are masons (or fishy and I are masons, if you'd prefer) for a moment. Can you see a scumteam which excludes Mr. Fishy?- the worst
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@Fuz any chance of a tiered readlist?
If it can incorporate how strongly you feel about your townreads that would help me quite a lot
As a format I often use:
mechanically confirmed town{names}
townread{names}
townleans{names}
null/unsure {names}
scumleans{names}
scumreads{names}
confident scum / mechanically scum{names}
(or a variation on this )
if you don't like this layout that's totally fine, any will do, just I'm mostly interested in seeing the weighting of your townreads right now.- the worst
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I have a very minor nka theory but I'm holding off til later aorn. It also might make you grind your teeth.In post 748, teacher wrote:fairly spicy nk- the worst
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I have something I'll talk about post-game
it's not interesting/AI just something on my min- the worst
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Masons are 2 or more players who are told at the start of the game that each other are town aligned. They share a private topic. So they're like the "opposite" of a scumteam..they're a townteam.In post 768, Fuzanglong wrote:What's a mason?- the worst
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Not Alignment IndicativeIn post 769, Fuzanglong wrote:Also what is NAI
means it's inconclusive whether or not someone doing something actually makes them town or scum.- the worst
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Goddamnit eth0s. This was my spicy observation. One more thing to say on the subject.In post 770, eth0s wrote:--on a side note I think this implicates at least one newb as the scumteam, probably 2, because why kill bugspray after they VT slipped?-- - the worst
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