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[Macabre]

Rejoice my comrades! I have found the traitor in our midst! Permanent record!

VOTE: JTheophrastus Bartholomew

[Macabre]

Rejoice my comrades! I have found the traitor in our midst! Permanent record!

VOTE: JTheophrastus Bartholomew

Traitor crumb?

VOTE: Macabre

But you are barbequing minorities, Colonel! War crime!

[Macabre]

Reveese course before you are tried before a jury of your peers. Not fun! Real work. No drink. Just ice?!

[Macabre]

Divination incoming. Transmission received. The spirits are revealing that there is only one traitor in this game. Psycho!

[Macabre]

Everyone looks exactly the same; how can you make heads or tails out of them?

You have more heads than tails, Hydra. Brains!

[Macabre]

@Alchemist, what do you think of this post?

I don’t think anything of it. I don’t really think anything of Macabre’s post either but I thought the vote might get us out of RVS.

Does this Colonel truly announce to his people that he is expediting this process from page 1? Is this the work of a good man, or a destructive force? Ponder!

[Macabre]

The TMI'd him part comes from Alchemist not reading his posts, which I get from him reaching the wrong conclusion. Not once was there a note about Wimpy responding easily to pressure.

At what point does this sleepy boy believe this Colonel may have slipped up? Inquiry!

[Macabre]

Burger, please explain your reasoning to cast this Colonel to the fire! Urgency!

[Macabre]

This crow did not understand the basis for the beliefs of this scarf boy, most definitely the suffering of the chimera. However! It all falls into place if we believe this sleepy boy sleeps with the chimera! Revelation!

[Macabre]

VOTE: alchemist
Nothing better atm.

Your mouth is too full, you cannot speak. Glutton! Sinner! You will destroy us all! Panic!

[Macabre]

It all falls into place if we believe this sleepy boy sleeps with the chimera! Revelation!

Does this mean you think Wimpy is bussing me?

You are no flame alchemist, you are a wind alchemist. For you have knocked the wind out of me. Foul!

[Macabre]

The question still doesn't help you figure him out though.

It tells me if he’s the type of player to respond poorly to pressure or not which is important to know if he is. His response tells me he’s not that type of player.

Oh no I am

This crow certainly does believe that this sort of response could be the work of shady people. Therefore! Knowing in which way this sleepy boy views this pair is of great importance.

[Macabre]

However! The Colonel, has, in the crow's third eye, quoted the wrong post! In a fit of urgency? Did they see the writing that was on the wall? The knowledge not meant to be known? Pre-emption! Conspiracy!

VOTE: Alchemist21

[Macabre]

You are the most lazy burger. Sinner. Set out to destroy us all. Nothingburger!

[Macabre]

The Colonel is no Chimera: the Chimera is the one with two heads, not one, not three: exactly two. The one referred to by the scarf boy, in a manner most unclear, as being partners in crime with the sleepy boy! Illumination!

[Macabre]

However! The scarf boy did not put any weight on the subject and left it as is. Not knowing how this behavior reflected poorly upon the Chimera this Crow realized the Chimera would only feel anxiety and urgency in approaching this sleepy boy if they were bed mates! Climax!

[Macabre]

Who does the restful boy sleep for? Dream!

[Macabre]

You agree that you are no sleepy boy at all, that you live a double life as a restful boy? Public record!

[Macabre]

It struck me as odd to say since somni was using 'brother' in the singular sense toward Wimpy. It would have been weird for somni to say: "No high fives until I rest assured that you are a brother or a sister and not a traitor."

This isn't scummy, but it is a tad bit off, and gives me the impression that profii is anxious to establish rapport with somni.

Do not allow yourselves to be misled from the work of this scarf boy, or how the burger has voted the crow for casting a ballot for the same person the burger had. Distraction!

[Macabre]

Why is the burger so silent on their reasoning to suspect the Colonel? Eerie!

[Macabre]

VOTE: alchemist
Nothing better atm.

Burger, please explain your reasoning to cast this Colonel to the fire! Urgency!

please speak normally and I will answer your question. I don't understand what you are asking and I am not really in the mood for fake altered speech.

Cast this crow to the flame! Cast this whole town to the flame! You will not tell the crow of your secrets! You will not tell the town of your secrets! Suspicious!

[Macabre]

The Chimera is only suspicious for getting involved in a conversation of another, which they had no strong commitment in! It is so!

[Macabre]

To place attention on another without suspecting them is indeed a malicious act! Scary!

[Macabre]

it does make me wonder about what seems to be a consensus against profii, who as far as i can see hasn't done anything acutely scummy except for "bad vibes". not sure yet if it means an intuitive feeling on the part of some townies that she's scum, or scum seeing some remarks against a player and deciding they work.

The mistake you had made was listening for vibrations when evidence has been given! Do not let your one-eye go lazy, and look for the testimonies of the Chimera's guilt! Diligence!

For Ame, I had an initial scum read on profii, nothing too strong, just a gut feeling upon seeing his first vote. I never decided to chase that read but now that Chara voted I thought they had the same idea of scum reading Profii so I decided to vote as well.

This isn't scummy, but it is a tad bit off, and gives me the impression that profii is anxious to establish rapport with somni.

This was also off:
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It's fairly obvious from your #64 that you hadn't played with Wimpy, so this added no value and comes off to me as pseudoengagement.


That was the reasoning at the time of my post, but while we're on the subject, this also gives me the same vibes:
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It was short and lacked an RVS vote.

As for the Profii vote, that makes sense. Profii’s actually giving me weird vibes too because they’ll say something about either Insomnia or myself that looks like they’re trying to understand both of our viewpoints but then they seem to doubtcast their own conclusions and I can’t tell if they’re actually confused or trying to play both sides of the discussion without having to commit to a stance on either of us.

[Macabre]

It is troubling that the Colonel wished to go from one game state to another, and wanted honors as a result! However! Later evidence has become indeterminate, not invalid! Equally likely to be in favor of his guilt or innocence. Sad!

Macabre thinks I made some kind of Freudian slip with me and Wimpy when I’m trying to understand his posts and am obviously confused by them and I don’t know why and I’m expecting myself to be confused again when he starts talking about more people. Also, the term “sleeps with,” which is what confused me initially, is apparently an accusation of you two being scum together but I never got a clear answer on that from Macabre, and if there are more euphemisms like that in store I’ll probably be confused by them too.

[Macabre]

Has this sleepy boy given his thoughts on the relationship the Colonel and Burger share, or has he been a restful boy? Sloth!

[Macabre]

I don't think they're scum together if that's what you are referring to.

Does this sleepy boy still believe the Colonel outed the Burger as an innocent? What did the exchange between these two really accomplish? Layers!

[Macabre]

The Chimera is only suspicious for getting involved in a conversation of another, which they had no strong commitment in! It is so!

Which post are you referring to?

This Chimera put undue weight upon the Burger without involving themselves into the conflict! Opposite of the Colonel, impossible to be informed of! Heart of darkness!

[Macabre]

Other parts of the case brought against the Chimera are not valid! However! One-eye's reduction of the events that have transpired is suspicious! Doom!

VOTE: Chara

[Macabre]

This crow will not recognize the greeting of the chimera, its initial vote, or past behavior of the Chimera as valid evidence. Inadmissible!

[Macabre]

Furthermore, One-eye has stolen a term from the scarf boy to make a case in defense of the Chimera! Yet, this One-eye does not combat scarf boy directly. It acts without conviction. Careful!

[Macabre]

Furthermore, One-eye has stolen a term from the scarf boy to make a case in defense of the Chimera! Yet, this One-eye does not combat scarf boy directly. It acts without conviction. Careful!

defense of profii? i scumread profii.

as for stealing a term, i'm not sure which you mean, but it is highly possible i read something Ame said and repeated it. it's a fun fact of language that humans (or nonhumans) will tend to parrot terminology recently used by others. it's how we learn the rules of our discourse.

A bad One-eye has no reason to think critically of the words of the scarf boy if they are aware of their nature. Additionally! This crow suggests that the One-eye has seen the opportunity to blend in with the innocents! Mimicry!

[Macabre]

It is this usage of mimicry which demonstrates the mindfulness and the lack of a will of this One-eye to combat the real reasons against the Chimera! Reduction! Slurp!

[Macabre]

This crow will not recognize the greeting of the chimera, its initial vote, or past behavior of the Chimera as valid evidence. Inadmissible!

i object. all behaviour of the chimera is valid evidence!

The Knight having past experience with a good natured Chimera is unconvincing! New record!

[Macabre]

Other parts of the case brought against the Chimera are not valid! However!

One-eye's reduction of the events that have transpired is suspicious!

Doom!

VOTE: Chara

I'm confused, where has Chara done that?

This One-eye has taken all evidence against the Chimera and labelled it as a bad vibration, yet this is a term used by the scarf boy when they delivered valid charges against the Chimera. Kokomo!

[Macabre]

This crow will not take the words of the One-eye when the One-eye has taken the words from another. The evidence is as clear as many cut outs of various newspapers and cereal boxes: a letter gifted to us all as proof of the guilt of this One-eye. Scary!

it does make me wonder about what seems to be a consensus against profii, who as far as i can see hasn't done anything acutely scummy except for "bad vibes". not sure yet if it means an intuitive feeling on the part of some townies that she's scum, or scum seeing some remarks against a player and deciding they work.

[Macabre]

Furthermore, One-eye has stolen a term from the scarf boy to make a case in defense of the Chimera! Yet, this One-eye does not combat scarf boy directly. It acts without conviction. Careful!

Dearest crow, if I may interject, this bug-slayer is actually condoning the acts of they one-eyed one. I believe they and most others in this village have condemned the chimera for his actions.

We must look beyond simple statements and question the nature of our peers if we hope to be victorious! Marvel!

[Macabre]

For instance, it does not matter whether the One-eye and Chimera are bed mates or not! A lazy One-eye may still harm the trial against a good Chimera! Vanity!

[Macabre]

It is the duplicity of this One-eye that is most strange and open to question. How can this One-eye say one thing yet act contrary to these statements? Harvey Dent!

[Macabre]

@Macabre / AaronFrost / profii / Alchemist21

:

• Do you find this interaction suspicious?
  
• Do you feel that either of these players is town?

Scarf boy has a warm aura. A well researched scholar. Winters respite!

The Knight has not proven himself yet, though has appeared to care much of the inconsistencies of the Colonel. Defection!

[Macabre]

To further this thought: could this scarf boy had corrected this knight in secret, and hoped to give them a way out of their own mess? Could this knight, so worried about the inconsistencies of the Colonel, truly forget his own if he were an evil doer? It seems to this crow that this knight would worry more about his own misadventures in this case! Doubt!

[Macabre]

aa-pr or aa-al. But pr cleared from being scum with al.

The Ghost echoed the Knight's argument against the Chimera. Is this Ghost so easily aligned with the Chimera?

I kind of agree with you on profii. Last game I played with him he felt pretty obviously town. Granted I was scum in that game so I didn't exactly have to read him too much but I could never push him either. Not quite getting the same vibes from him here as he's been mostly under the radar.

[Macabre]

While this crow had been present the previous day, it had seemed the vote had gone through and it was thought we could convene the next day to speak of the crimes of the horrible Ghost. Tight lip!

[Macabre]

Caw! Caw?

This scarf boy lassos the post believed to explain the death of One-eye. Could this solve the mystery so easily? Wonder!

[Macabre]

VC 1.6

Looker
EeveeLution Army
Wimpy
Ame
Luca Blight (1) - JTheophrastus Bartholomew
Alchemist21
Chara (3) - Macabre, Ame, Egix96
Macabre (1) - Wimpy
insomnia
JTheophrastus Bartholomew (2) - profii, Chara
profii
AaronFrost (5) - insomnia, Luca Blight, Alchemist21, AaronFrost, Looker [L-2]
Egix96

Not Voting

(1) — EeveeLution Army

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-01-24 16:00:00)[/color]

This crow believes that if the guilty among us had seen this as well and acted upon it, they would not feel enthused to continue such a bold challenge to the bloc voting for the Ghost! Now, this scarf boy saw it, and so did the wolf. Both of these actors later voted for the Ghost! Hammer time!

[Macabre]

I don't get the part about lynching someone other than Aaron.

Spoiler:

AaronFrost (5)

- insomnia, Luca Blight, Alchemist21, AaronFrost, Looker

Chara (3)

- Macabre, Egix96, Ame

JTheophrastus Bartholomew (2)

- profii, Chara

Luca Blight (1)

- JTheophrastus Bartholomew

Macabre (1)

- Wimpy


Not Voting (1) — EeveeLution Army

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

While it says very little about the scarf boy, it seems to this crow that the hydra is an innocent should one of the scarf boy or the wolf be a criminal. Justice!

[Macabre]

More specifically, outside of the lip which has been serviced with regards to the death of the Ghost, this hydra provided record of the combo vote upon the One-eye at a time where they may have moved before the rooster managed to create a tally of their own. Diligence!

[Macabre]

Macabre, can you go into some solo analysis, as in, analysis that's not based on interactions between people?

When guts are spilled, I hunger for more. Infinite loop!

[Macabre]

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It is nice to see the divine one again. It has been awhile. Hail!

[Macabre]

What didn't you like about it?

It was short and lacked an RVS vote.

As for the Profii vote, that makes sense. Profii’s actually giving me weird vibes too because they’ll say something about either Insomnia or myself that looks like they’re trying to understand both of our viewpoints but then they seem to doubtcast their own conclusions and I can’t tell if they’re actually confused or trying to play both sides of the discussion without having to commit to a stance on either of us.

I’m feeling ambivalent about Alchemist so far. I like this perspective on Profii, but I’m left wondering why there’s no vote/push from Alchemist? It seems like he’s playing it cautiously himself.

It is this contribution from the Knight that makes the case that they care much about the dichotomy of saying/doing which this crow had chastised the One-eye for later in that day! Yet, this Knight made the same mistake himself, as pointed out by this scarf boy. Could it be, a Knight with a true heart, which cares little for himself? Ponder!

[Macabre]

This crow believes that if the guilty among us had seen this as well and acted upon it, they would not feel enthused to continue such a bold challenge to the bloc voting for the Ghost! Now, this scarf boy saw it, and so did the wolf.

Both of these actors later voted for the Ghost!

Hammer time!

It's worrying that you came to the wrong conclusion here. It shouldn't be "both these actors later voted for the Ghost!" but "both these actors switched from the Ghost!" Meaning if the guilty would not feel enthused to continue a bold challenge, why would these actors bring challenge to it then, especially since the Ghost had been confirmed scum at that point.

This crow was not aware that both the wolf and scarf boy had voted the Ghost previous to the One-eye. Lost record!

[Macabre]

Indeed the tally of the rooster shows a vote from the scarf boy, but not the wolf. Old age!

[Macabre]

Also @Mac why did you need insomnia's view of wimpy and Alch's relation to determine your read on the situation?

The sleepy boy seemed to come to the wrong conclusion upon the Colonel Burger relationship early in the previous day! What did it truly accomplish? Think beyond the immediate and pull back the layers! Not as innocent as this sleepy boy seemed to think. Restful!

[Macabre]

Last visited:Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:30 pm

he sort of messed up though. he should have at least logged off and back on so it appears it was a new log in

This testimony by the burger is most interesting! Indeed I had been present at this time, yet the One-eye had died. Thonk?!

[Macabre]

Why are Looker and ELA cleared?

Looker actually is a viable option. I'll change my back up to her. She can only be scum with you or Egix though, so the best play is all to lynch you vig Egix.

Does this scarf boy still believe the hydra to be scum with the wolf given the record they submitted on the previous day of the wolf voting for the One-eye? Bizarre!

[Macabre]

Also @Mac why did you need insomnia's view of wimpy and Alch's relation to determine your read on the situation?

The sleepy boy seemed to come to the wrong conclusion upon the Colonel Burger relationship early in the previous day! What did it truly accomplish? Think beyond the immediate and pull back the layers! Not as innocent as this sleepy boy seemed to think. Restful!

I said they're not scum partners and I was right.

This sleepy boy may claim victory here, but should they not care about their methods, defeat may find them in time. Worry!

[Macabre]

Is this crow the real scum? Everyone for whom I yearn for ends up dead... Sad.

[Macabre]

Is this not the divine one? Is this the hedgehog? Is this the seal? Wonder...

[Macabre]

The One-eye would not try to kill me, but this crow cannot share the same sentiment for the dead-eye. Mourn!

[Macabre]

This crow believes in you, because this hedgehog can do anything! Encouragement!

[Macabre]

It is troubling that the scarf boy had failed to re-evaluate the Chimera on the previous day and the wolf-hydra this day. Pattern!

[Macabre]

While the scarf boy appears to have changed their read, this is based mainly on the testimony of the mysterious one. It should not have taken this long to come to this conclusion. Hood!

[Macabre]

It wa in fact a read against a potential Chimera-Ghost team on the previous day. Correction!

[Macabre]

It is a belief of the crow that you are the divine one, the hedgehog, or the seal. It is uncertain, but mostly you are the hedgehog. Mystery!

[Macabre]

Most likely to be the hedgehog. Chance!

[Macabre]

Clear your mind of substances and see the world for what it really is. No obstruction!

[Macabre]

A question from this crow to this sleepy boy: does the alignment of this hedgehog matter not? Is this not the exact role and circumstance where the death of this hedgehog can tell us more about their alignment than their words could? Thought!

[Macabre]

Indeed! Should this hedgehog be of ill-nature, the likelihood of them making a claim which would surely get them killed--by the town, seems counter-productive... Unless there was another motive, beyond simply telling the truth, such as outing another powerful one among us. Water sport!

[Macabre]

Additionally, the claim of the neapolitan on part of the hedgehog could be considered a double catch on part of a criminal mind: consider the knowledge the evil ones among us had known from game start! Puzzle!

[Macabre]

To whoever asked this crow about the chimera: it seems the closest this chimera has gotten to making a contribution to this great town has been the read given of the wolf, at the request of the hydra. Sloth!

[Macabre]

However! It appears that the Ghost had attempted to make the Chimera a viable target on the previous day. Unveil!

I kind of agree with you on profii. Last game I played with him he felt pretty obviously town. Granted I was scum in that game so I didn't exactly have to read him too much but I could never push him either. Not quite getting the same vibes from him here as he's been mostly under the radar.

[Macabre]

At the same time, the Ghost made this post which appeared to echo the sentiments of the One-eye. Is this a defense, or a condemnation... Or simply an attempt to fit in? Mixed feelings!

it does make me wonder about what seems to be a consensus against profii, who as far as i can see hasn't done anything acutely scummy except for "bad vibes". not sure yet if it means an intuitive feeling on the part of some townies that she's scum, or scum seeing some remarks against a player and deciding they work.

One thing I find interesting about this wagon is that no one has really jumped to profii's defense. Most people seem to have him as a scumread and/or are voting him right now. Is anybody townreading him right now? If so why?

[Macabre]

Truly, the One-eye should not have been suspected after the crimes of the Ghost had been known, unless the belief was held that they were partners together, along with the Chimera. Logicks!

[Macabre]

Could this scarf boy, who believed that the One-eye was a high level criminal, miss this critical piece of information? Inquiry!

[Macabre]

To further remark it appears this scarf boy accepted the evidence of this crow but did not believe it discounted the possibility of the Chimera-Ghost on the previous day. This is no longer admissible. Rule of law!

[Macabre]

The roman lover appears to have deflected a point of contention with regards to the ghost on the previous day. Out of many, one. Sold short!

Yes, it is most troubling that the only other solid contribution from this matron is an astute read upon the Colonel and the newer content of questions of the nature of the Knight. However! These contributions seem just as forgettable as many of their other ones... Bore chore!

[Macabre]

We must ask ourselves, why come forward in these moments specifically? Could we find motive in negative spaces? Speak no evil!

[Macabre]

This hydra has a history of attempting to tie the Knight with the Ghost; at first, it could seem innocent, however by eliminating one criminal we are able to do some simple math and conclude that posts such as

In 169 you stated that you were caught up but skimmed and would begin isoing. Later in 175 you confirmed a town read on Aaron. (1) Presumably, you went through his iso at this point, yes?

Over two new pages were produced by the time of your next post, 234. Again, 175 indicates that you were caught up with the thread up to 175, or at least with Aaron up to that point. (2) What prodded you in 234/235 to go back and review pre-175? I presume you had not yet caught up with the 2 new pages because in 237 you stated that you were unaware of Alchemist's post on the previous page. (3) Is this presumption correct?

It's just curious to me that you read back through something you had already read back through and formed a solid opinion on, while there was new content available that you had not yet caught up on.

I skim through the thread and then read back in more detail later - that is my usual habit.

For example, the recent stuff about Frost above I haven’t yet given my attention to - I’ll read back though it when I have the time and energy to do so.

I’m having a change of heart on Frost, based on his reaction to Insomnia’s pressure which comes across as appeasement. I also agree that his Insomnia SR seemed a bit faked in that he doesn’t really do anything with it and just coasts on it for a while until he is pressured into jumping off. And thirdly I agree that it looks as though he had been positioning himself to vote Profii for some time before he did so.

VOTE: Frost

@Macabre / AaronFrost / profii / Alchemist21

:

• Do you find this interaction suspicious?
  
• Do you feel that either of these players is town?

UNVOTE:

As concerning! This crow does not believe this hydra can be partners in crime with the wolf or scarf boy, so any ill intent in this post is likely not to promote the scarf boy as a scholarly smarty-pants so my eyes must go back to the later pattern of setting up this Knight to fail. Detective!

[Macabre]

This burger is approaching childlike levels of innocence. This crow is in c-awe of how any one person could be so innocent without it being illegal. Wonder!!!

[Macabre]

Okay, I think I'm here now. First, the simple approach.

@Ame / JTheophrastus Bartholomew / Luca Blight / Egix96 / profii:

Who among you is town? I don't really expect any of you to know, but it's good for managing consistency in the future. I personally have no idea.

VOTE: Luca Blight Votes keep the game moving

Why did you pick these names for this question. Why did you vote Luca out of all of them?

I don't like the direction you're taking with this question. Hopefully I should not be needing to elaborate.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Alchemist

Is this truly an attempt to fish upon one's role, and was the question of the vote also unfair at this point? Asking!

[Macabre]

If this burger could break free of the chains which burden their mind, this burger could be my number 9. Ride!

[Macabre]

If this hedgehog is indeed telling the truth, being a neep should clear the hood! Fact!

[Macabre]

This would mean that this hedgehog's death was determined at the time of their claim. Would a malicious hedgehog truly make this decision? Question!

[Macabre]

2. Bad set up spec, trying to clear himself for having neap and being in a neighborhood. One has no effect on the other.

This neep is useless against hooded scum and scum which do not come out to play. No doubt!

[Macabre]

If this scarf boy believes the hedgehog would not have claimed this role as scum, but still accepts they may have done so, but not because it was truth, does this scarf boy believe that this hedgehog has tried to fish a role? Point of interest!

[Macabre]

While the scarf boy appears to have changed their read, this is based mainly on the testimony of the mysterious one. It should not have taken this long to come to this conclusion. Hood!

Please do explain why I should have changed my mind on Egix and Looker before I knew about the neighborhood.

I don't get the part about lynching someone other than Aaron.

Spoiler:

AaronFrost (5)

- insomnia, Luca Blight, Alchemist21, AaronFrost, Looker

Chara (3)

- Macabre, Egix96, Ame

JTheophrastus Bartholomew (2)

- profii, Chara

Luca Blight (1)

- JTheophrastus Bartholomew

Macabre (1)

- Wimpy


Not Voting (1) — EeveeLution Army

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

While it says very little about the scarf boy, it seems to this crow that the hydra is an innocent should one of the scarf boy or the wolf be a criminal. Justice!

No matter the nature of this scarfed boy it should work harder to understand the arguments brought against them. Disappointment!

[Macabre]

Yeah, he's been trying to fish out an investigative since his claim saying things such as "unless there's another investigative >.>"

Yes, because if I'm looking for investigative CCs, I roleclaim a one-shot mid/low-level investigative

Part of the argument of this hedgehog is that their role is the one which justifies the criminal hermit. Believe it!

[Macabre]

Hiding in the shadows, biding for the right time to strike. Vicious!

[Macabre]

yonk

[Macabre]

This scarf boy ignoring the evidence regarding the tally of the hydra is very interesting, because it could reflect very positively on this hydra should the scarf boy be scum. Omission!

[Macabre]

The hedgehog almost certainly must die. The means is not yet determined. Free will!

[Macabre]

Can anyone tell me if this setup spec is realistic? Are neighbor alignments assigned by random? I feel like the hood is being scapegoated.

Also, I'd really like to finish at least one game with Wimpy.

Spoiler:

(5) Profii

- ObviousScum, Looker, Luca Blight, Wimpy, Ame (L-1)

(1) Looker

- Egix96

(1) Wimpy

- insomnia

Not Voting (3) — EeveeLution Army, Macabre, profii,

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

I'm still holding to my three.

So are we gonna lynch actual scum now?

This count is most interesting! Two knives!

[Macabre]

The crimes of the hedgehog are now more apparent than ever, and the method of their execution will be the rope. Death!

VOTE: ObviousScum

[Macabre]

I did have a game with a scum traffic analyst

This role would only serve the purpose of detecting a hidden, innocent neighbour! Jeeper creeper!

[Macabre]

This hedgehog has reversed course from the idea that the hood must be all town ever since it was suggested the death of the hedgehog would grant this great town knowledge of the alignment of the hydra and the wolf! Most suspicious!

[Macabre]

If we are to believe the Chimera there is a guilty party in the hood! Fact!

[Macabre]

I don't think that all three of {Ame | Luca Blight | Profii} are town. Ame says she can recreate the wagon for ObviousScum, but the wagon for profii died and wasn't heard of again.

This remark by the hydra reads as if they fear losing many heads! Eye of the Tiger!

[Macabre]

In fact this hydra refusing to believe in the good nature of the Knight may yet prove that this list of reads is a forgery! Onward to valor!

VOTE: Looker

[Macabre]

What is this list if not the bottom three reads of this hydra? Perhaps in the game they are playing it makes more sense, but not in the game of this crow. Red card!

[Macabre]

This hydra is on deaths door! Make peace with your existence and confess your sins! Repent!

[Macabre]

This hydra is making me blush, for this much praise is surely too much! Flatter!

[Macabre]

This Chimera is unable to deliver a credible guilty verdict! Lines lost!

[Macabre]

I'm miles behind sorry - working long days away from home, missing out my on my usual lazy days of browsing in work

This is what I believe to have been the crumb from this Chimera! While it mentions many car journeys, the prospects of traffic only appear as they get pressured. However! This comment implies traffic, although just after the post detailing that they were driving that day. Insight!

[Macabre]

It is my belief that we cannot have all the roles that we claim, therefore we must kill this hedgehog. To victory!

VOTE: ObviousScum

[Macabre]

With the death of the presumptive second-to-last criminal, it has rendered this Chimera unable to deliver innocent results! Aghast!

[Macabre]

It is my belief that we cannot have all the roles that we claim, therefore we must kill this hedgehog. To victory!

VOTE: ObviousScum

can you expand on why not?

Indeed! For this Chimera was never designed to find the guilty: it was meant to find the righteous. However! We have instead found the righteous in them. Twist of fate!

[Macabre]

This Knight cannot be of bad nature because the Ghost and Hydra constantly tried to make this Knight an acceptable suspect! Past knowledge!

[Macabre]

If the Chimera were to make this gambit, the hydra encourages a double bus! Traffic!

[Macabre]

This Chimera cannot deliver guilties at this stage. Indeed. It cannot provide an innocent any more either. Fantastic plan, yet no preparations appear evident. Research!

[Macabre]

Why does this hydra rely upon the scarf boy, who is now innocent, to drive a lynch upon the Chimera, and not to do it themselves? It is because this is a worried hydra! Facts!

[Macabre]

I don't think that all three of {Ame | Luca Blight | Profii} are town. Ame says she can recreate the wagon for ObviousScum, but the wagon for profii died and wasn't heard of again.
VOTE: Profii

[Macabre]

This hedgehog presumes a lot about the kill on the first night... Or how this crow has testified that the Ghost and One-eye were never aligned. Much like the scarf boy. Sad.

[Macabre]

Mac can you just state in comprehensible terms or with a minimum of coyness your read of ELA right now?

There is nothing kind to say about this roman lover. They make no waves and have never seen the ocean! Stagnant!

[Macabre]

Indeed, the roman lover has defended the Ghost at one point, and continued, much like the Ghost and Hydra, to question the nature of the Knight. Also! The absences of the roman lover may have been deliberate. SNAFU!

[Macabre]

Yet, this crow must wonder that why our peer with the worst record is getting the votes, and the willingness to vote based on the roles this great town should have, is largely ignored. Convenient!

[Macabre]

This scarf boy ignoring the evidence regarding the tally of the hydra is very interesting, because it could reflect very positively on this hydra should the scarf boy be scum. Omission!

Looker is clear if Ame is scum? What?

This crow had believed that should the hydra be scum, they would not have exposed the vote counts of partners that were voting the One-eye on the first day. Indeed! Tallies are hard to come by... These votes could have been forgotten. Disappeared!

[Macabre]

It is this evidence that this crow had submitted to the scarf boy prior to the knowledge of the hood being known, and the scarf boy refused to shake their read on the wolf, the other voter of the One-eye! Relevance!

[Macabre]

Indeed, the roman lover has defended the Ghost at one point, and continued, much like the Ghost and Hydra, to question the nature of the Knight. Also! The absences of the roman lover may have been deliberate. SNAFU!

Snafu?

It is this crow's impression that the evil doers among us continually found themselves on the edge, and this roman lover may be too shy to give them a push! Mercy!

[Macabre]

i agree though, let ela speak in the event he is actually town.

Being town is somewhat meaningless since town has multiple pr claims and ways to find scum via POE. Though vig most likely shouldnt shoot more than once from now on just in case. ((Though do we even know if its a vig? It could be something else))

This great player list sits at evens! By the fifth day, should we, for whatever reason, not remove the cancer from this town we cannot vote to kill one of our friends! Bad move!

[Macabre]

Instead a daring and unforgiving rogue should, absolutely, fire at will. Pew pew!

[Macabre]

This sleepy boy should update their avatar. It is now rouge. En français!

[Macabre]

This burger is...

Spoiler: reveal

A tasty burger. Good burger. Knew that this crow was around, and if they were a bad burger, they would have used this information to kill a role of power. Innocent!

The knight is...

Spoiler: reveal

A good, wholesome knight! Constantly a thorn in the side of the evil doers, and earned their scorn in return. Bravery!

The hedgehog is...

Spoiler: reveal

The WORST hedgehog. All roads lead back to this terrible hedgehog. It knows the game will continue with the blood of the crow. It knows too much!

The chimera is...

Spoiler: reveal

A wholesome Chimera! The votes shared between the Chimera and Hydra of the previous day appeared to be genuine. Indeed! The role of the Chimera appeared to be the most damning evidence for the case against the evil Hydra.

The wolf is...

Spoiler: reveal

A lone wolf! When the Hydra produced vote data on the first day, it appeared as if it had cleared the scarf boy and wolf. While this crow had wavered on the character of the scarf boy on the second day, this pattern seems to hold true!

This crow is...

Spoiler: reveal

Vanilla town!

[Macabre]

This hedgehog has been at the center of all the misdeeds in this game! Let this crow explain! Unveil!

[Macabre]

Look back upon this game! Tell this crow what you see! Funny cats. Awkward!

[Macabre]

People seem to have reads on Profii already. I don't like how Egix96 implied a town read on profii in post 68 and threw shade at those voting him. I think there's a strong chance that if one of profii and Egix96 flip scum, the other one will too

At this point in the game, the chimera was the public enemy! Shock!

I've read what I've missed and these are my thoughts on the current state of affairs.
Frost and insomnia are both town.
Luca and Profii are both scum.
I felt that Luca's jump onto frost was opportunistic and a way to distract from the profii discussion which has now dissolved.
VOTE: luca
I'll read through Luca's iso now to see if it was just the way I was reading through the thread.

Later, the knight found himself in harms way. Awe!!!

Truly, these reads appear to be a fabrication! All they do is spread needless fear. There is a lack of consistency in why the chimera is scum, was it was assumed due to the action of the wolf, but later this changes when the need to vote the knight arrives. Convenience!!

[Macabre]

When the traitor had gotten voted by the One-eye and Chimera, and the Ghost and Hydra responded by voting the Knight on the same page!

VC 1.5

Looker
EeveeLution Army
Wimpy
Ame
Luca Blight (2) - AaronFrost, Looker
Alchemist21 (1) - Egix96
Chara (1) - Macabre
Macabre (1) - Wimpy
insomnia
JTheophrastus Bartholomew (2) - profii, Chara
profii
AaronFrost (4) - insomnia, Ame, Luca Blight, Alchemist21
Egix96 (1) - JTheophrastus Bartholomew

Not Voting

(1) — EeveeLution Army

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-01-24 16:00:00)[/color]

Turn over a new leaf! The traitor joins the fun soon after! Surprise!

VC 1.6

Looker
EeveeLution Army
Wimpy
Ame
Luca Blight (3) - AaronFrost, Looker, JTheophrastus Bartholomew
Alchemist21 (1) - Egix96
Chara (1) - Macabre
Macabre (1) - Wimpy
insomnia
JTheophrastus Bartholomew (2) - profii, Chara
profii
AaronFrost (4) - insomnia, Ame, Luca Blight, Alchemist21
Egix96

Not Voting

(1) — EeveeLution Army

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-01-24 16:00:00)[/color]

[Macabre]

Did this One-eye really meet their end for the reason the scarf boy brought up? Was it another among us who has yet confessed to the crime? Or was it for another reason? Testify!

4: you reminded me that JTB hasn't responded to my 64 yet. had to ISO to see who he was scumreading. JTB's play has been meh so far, i said before why the egix/profii partner conclusion feels premature.
VOTE: JTB

...


Bartholomew i just haven't really liked.

[Macabre]

At this point, the hedgehog was getting the most votes! Survival!

Is there any consensus on which of the two kills was likely vig vs scum?

SKs aren't allowed in 13p norms so Vig is IC right?

The vig is not claimed right?

The vig is not claimed right?

Why care if the vig is claimed?

Solving the game with an IC is easier than not solving with an IC? One fewerslot to sort

also ame's confidence on the vig shot made me think I'd missed something tbh

They proceeded to ask for the daring rogue among us to drop hints! Scandalous!

[Macabre]

Indeed! Later this hedgehog did the same with the neep claim!

I don’t think Obs lied about the actual claim, the only thing would be whether or not he lied about his alignment.

hmm, scum gets neap + 2 hoodies. from a design perspective it's possible but it seems like giving scum a lot of info to me, especially when there's already the ascetic.

In a scenario where I'm scum, town investigative is a...

PT cop

maybe? 1 scum in the hood, 2 hoodies, so one scum is protected and 2 are guiltied by PT cop? if so, why give scum an investigative when they already have the ascetic + the hood to rebuff the pt cop?

otherwise maybe gunsmith I guess, if this was going to be classic GS + vig setup, but if so I still don't know why scum neap gets added to a 2 town hood. I guess it's possible but doesn't really match what I'd expect from a norm I guess

Where are you guys getting this setup spec material to justify your cases with "balance"? I don't like having to relinquish my opinions to others because I don't mod games.

that's mostly just me, and my setup spec is flawed anyway since I don't know whether town has two more weak PRs or one more strong PR

I just think making an all town hood with a n2 neap kinda makes sense because the neap is already so weak you want to give it a hint about who it can hit. I don't think you would punish the neap in that scenario by putting them in a scum hood. But that's an argument from what I see as being fun for the town in conjunction with a sense of balance so this isn't like a 'purely objective' perspective it's more just my take on the setup

Yo, OS, can you explain to me how you immediately made the leap that the hood had to be all town?

The ascetic scum + my role being a shitty and heavily gated invest. Giving another scum a proven non-vt role seems like 'a lot' to give scum unless there's another invest in the game

Still I'm open to counter-arguments that this is a standard 2-town 1-scum hood game; neap in the hood probably designed to make it a 50/50 then. That is the conventional wisdom, I just have played in games that deliberately avoided that logic because it is conventional wisdom.

Scenario! This hedgehog is a neep in an all-town hood! Therefore we must kill the neep to clear this hood!

A question from this crow to this sleepy boy: does the alignment of this hedgehog matter not? Is this not the exact role and circumstance where the death of this hedgehog can tell us more about their alignment than their words could? Thought!

And could this not all simply be an attempt to get refuted by another investigative?

Indeed! Should this hedgehog be of ill-nature, the likelihood of them making a claim which would surely get them killed--by the town, seems counter-productive... Unless there was another motive, beyond simply telling the truth, such as outing another powerful one among us. Water sport!

Indeed! We must remember that the ghost cannot protect themselves from a kill, so the town has some way to gain information from the evil doers, and they have known this since the beginning! Proof!

Additionally, the claim of the neapolitan on part of the hedgehog could be considered a double catch on part of a criminal mind: consider the knowledge the evil ones among us had known from game start! Puzzle!

[Macabre]

At what point does the all-town theory go to waste? When the question of the hydra appears... What is this trajectory? Speed!

On the subject of Looker, I found their 497 weird on a few levels.

1) they say the timings of my interaction with Frost post-slip is weird, which implies a negative opinion, but then wonders aloud if it clears me. This is also odd because Looker never refers back to this opinion of me again, but continues in their neutral stance towards me.

2) disagrees with my point against JT, saying we shouldn’t ‘penalizse’ him for giving reads. Why should anyone not be held accountable for their reads? It’s what the game of Mafia is based on. I can’t grasp this mindset at all.

3) throws random shade at EV, when Looker has been as much a bystander this game.

My inclination was to townread for 216 because it seems like such a transparent pocket attempt (2scummy4scum). I still think there's a world where that's town indicative but I guess it's not as town-indicative for Looker as I thought it was at first (as town he's actually somewhat cautious with townreads). I still think it'd be a bit weird if both Aaron and Looker both opened the game by doing a meme townread but saying they wouldn't is the gambler's fallacy so *shrug*

319 is something that could come from scum looker, but 377 is the only crassness in the whole iso, whereas as scum looker tends toward hyperbole and aggressiveness

I have to agree with Luca that 497 is just a mess to comprehend

674 would have been better without the ABV

Thought a bit about 761 and the indication of being "lost" -- was tempted to townread but he's not very often "lost" in games as either alignment so nothing recent to compare to here. The last time he says something like this was back in 2010 where he happened to be scum but that's so long ago I doubt it's pattern indicative.

Overall it's tricky. There's not a lot of towngames to compare to in the recent iso, but there's a few tonal things absent from the scum games that I would expect to see here.

I guess I would say I'm less confident in him being town now that I've read his whole iso more closely and am not making a snap judgement off 216 but I don't think the tone issues I have with him are worse than those I sometimes feel about profii, or perhaps ELA.

In response to the scarf boy voting the hydra...

[(Ame/Profii)->Egix/Mac/Looker] would be my "please shoot" pool if we were doing one

mmmmm yeah maybe we should just lynch Ame today :/

still want profii's response to wagon

This is not innocent behavior! Open your eyes!

[Macabre]

Green flip on looker, vig shoots

egix

(?)
Leash me to {wimpy, somni}
Leash profii to {Mac}

Red flip on

looker

, vig shoots {Ame, Mac}?
Leash me to somni
Leash profii to wimpy

??

Question mark! Indeed!

[Macabre]

Luca Blight (3) - AaronFrost, Looker, JTheophrastus Bartholomew

and from VCA you ignore this, what is perhaps the only readable vote count in the whole mod iso?

This is a feature, not a bug. This bug catcher will destroy you. Vicious!

VOTE: ObviousScum

[Macabre]

Indeed! Both the Ghost and the Hydra have played on the intolerance of the Burger to justify their feud against this crow!

Furthermore, One-eye has stolen a term from the scarf boy to make a case in defense of the Chimera! Yet, this One-eye does not combat scarf boy directly. It acts without conviction. Careful!

Dearest crow, if I may interject, this bug-slayer is actually condoning the acts of they one-eyed one. I believe they and most others in this village have condemned the chimera for his actions.

VOTE: Macabre I don't think it should be this difficult to decipher your reads. What's your current read on profii? I get it, he's the chimera, but what's your read on him?

I don't have time to play this game, especially if I have to decipher everything Macbre says. It's hard to differentiate between anti-town and scummy.

Just as with the Knight, this crow is a victim of conspiracy! Careless whisper!

[Macabre]

goon - scum ascetic - scum in hoood
TA - Vig - town hoody - n2 neap - 5 vts

5/9 chance of n2 neap getting an inno, 1/9 chance of getting a soft guilty
TA gets false guilties on hoodies, has no counter to ascetic, only one guilty on the goon
vig is the 'main' invest meant to solve the hood and other issues

probably no protective or other named/prs

yeah this looks right to me, this passes nrg easy

As of the 1300s this hedgehog is back to the 3 town theory?? Yet this crow was told welcome to 6 pages ago, quite like 6 pages ago at this point! Two steps forward, two steps back! You are back to where you started!

[Macabre]

There is scum hood in the above, but yes this chimera is town because their role is town! A single shot to find the true among us, with a 1/12 chance at a soft guilty (Ghost) or 1/12 at a false guilty (wolf). Sensibility!

[Macabre]

This neep would not pass! Bad ENERGY!

[Macabre]

Profii result on mac
Ela claim + mac claim?

This hedgehog, n2 neep, the rolefishious of rolefish claims, the only thing that kept this slot alive on the second day asks for results.

What was the results of this hedgehog??? Inquiry!

[Macabre]

Yeah I probably should have made that less obvious

VOTE: Profii

Think I'm here, Mac actually made some decent points about setup spec yesterday

I really thought it was ELA and have been re-evaluating to see if I had somehow let scum slip into my townblock but I still just don't see Luca/Wimpy as scum

That being said this is the point for re-evaluations if someone wants to argue for Luca or Wimpy, or if people strongly prefer Mac to Profii

There is NO CRUMB of this hedgehog detailing an investigation of the sleepy boy! Point of interest!

[Macabre]

If this scarf boy believes the hedgehog would not have claimed this role as scum, but still accepts they may have done so, but not because it was truth, does this scarf boy believe that this hedgehog has tried to fish a role? Point of interest!

Yeah, he's been trying to fish out an investigative since his claim saying things such as "

unless there's another investigative >.>

"

The dead shall speak once more! Necromancy!

[Macabre]

You're arguing I'm scum for being 0/2 in profii/ame but you're not really making it clear why you're pre-flipping profii as town?

The case against the Chimera was unconvincing! Suspecting the scarf boy for not playing ball is not fair! The timing of the counter argument, in favor of the chimera/scarf boy incidentally deflected from the hydra, a case of which you humored the Knight on earlier that day! Which reasons are good, and which are bad? Seemingly, all the decisions you make contain malice! Source of all evil!

[Macabre]

There is scum hood in the above, but yes this chimera is town because their role is town! A single shot to find the true among us, with a 1/12 chance at a soft guilty (Ghost) or 1/12 at a false guilty (wolf). Sensibility!

I mean my setup spec still holds up, it just now has Ame as the secondary town invest. If you replace the TA with the Tracker it lines up...

If this scarf boy believes the hedgehog would not have claimed this role as scum, but still accepts they may have done so, but not because it was truth, does this scarf boy believe that this hedgehog has tried to fish a role? Point of interest!

Yeah, he's been trying to fish out an investigative since his claim saying things such as "

unless there's another investigative >.>

"

Additionally, the claim of the neapolitan on part of the hedgehog could be considered a double catch on part of a criminal mind: consider the knowledge the evil ones among us had known from game start! Puzzle!

AaronFrost, Ascetic Mafia Goon, has been lynched Day 1!

How did this hedgehog know from the beginning, before the claim of the chimera and the scarf boy? Objection!

I don’t think Obs lied about the actual claim, the only thing would be whether or not he lied about his alignment.

hmm, scum gets neap + 2 hoodies. from a design perspective it's possible but it seems like giving scum a lot of info to me, especially when there's already the ascetic.

In a scenario where I'm scum, town investigative is a... PT cop maybe? 1 scum in the hood, 2 hoodies, so one scum is protected and 2 are guiltied by PT cop? if so, why give scum an investigative when they already have the ascetic + the hood to rebuff the pt cop?

otherwise maybe gunsmith I guess, if this was going to be classic GS + vig setup, but if so I still don't know why scum neap gets added to a 2 town hood. I guess it's possible but doesn't really match what I'd expect from a norm I guess

[Macabre]

and IF you think setup spec is a reason for me to be scum, why are you putting 0 of these posts into towncasing profii?

The chimera is town because the hydra is scum. Simple!

[Macabre]

The case against the Chimera was unconvincing!

like...

that's it?

What makes a crow turn neutral? Indeed! The chimera did next to nothing for us prior to his claim; but unlike the Knight this crow did not believe that the behavior of the chimera was too different from past games that they have played. Experience!

[Macabre]

There is scum hood in the above, but yes this chimera is town because their role is town! A single shot to find the true among us, with a 1/12 chance at a soft guilty (Ghost) or 1/12 at a false guilty (wolf). Sensibility!

I mean my setup spec still holds up, it just now has Ame as the secondary town invest. If you replace the TA with the Tracker it lines up...

Yeah, he's been trying to fish out an investigative since his claim saying things such as "

unless there's another investigative >.>

"

Additionally, the claim of the neapolitan on part of the hedgehog could be considered a double catch on part of a criminal mind: consider the knowledge the evil ones among us had known from game start! Puzzle!

AaronFrost, Ascetic Mafia Goon, has been lynched Day 1!

How did this hedgehog know from the beginning, before the claim of the chimera and the scarf boy? Objection!

hmm, scum gets neap + 2 hoodies. from a design perspective it's possible but it seems like giving scum a lot of info to me, especially when there's already the ascetic.

In a scenario where I'm scum, town investigative is a... PT cop maybe? 1 scum in the hood, 2 hoodies, so one scum is protected and 2 are guiltied by PT cop? if so, why give scum an investigative when they already have the ascetic + the hood to rebuff the pt cop?

otherwise maybe gunsmith I guess, if this was going to be classic GS + vig setup, but if so I still don't know why scum neap gets added to a 2 town hood. I guess it's possible but doesn't really match what I'd expect from a norm I guess

[Macabre]

The chimera did next to nothing for us prior to his claim; but unlike the Knight this crow did not believe that the behavior of the chimera was too different from past games that they have played. Experience!

how many games do you have with profii?

This is unimportant. More than the amount that the chimera has submitted into evidence. Undue weight!

[Macabre]

Talk of compromise will lead us to ruin! We must purge the evil from us! Any less will result in a decision made on poor grounds! Important!

[Macabre]

Let us review the reasons for each participants' vote. Study!

Spoiler: Case of the burger

i didn't honestly think a bird wagon would form.

I’m fine with bird being lynched though cause as I said day one. It’s scum motivated to be unreadable and he’s unreadable.

Spoiler: Case of the knight

Looking at interactions etc I’m thinking the last scum is probably Wimpy.

I’ll read more and report back.

I feel lazy to make a case or anything, but I think this is the best bet.

VOTE: Wimpy

I just noticed Macabre tried to turn the attention onto OS after Profii’s claim, so maybe he’s scum.

Definitely either him or Wimpy imo.

I think Macabre is L-1, right? If so...

Intent to hammer

VOTE: Profii

I’m willing to go along with this. Based on play he’s been my biggest SR right the way through.

Spoiler: Case of the chimera

I guess that NK was made to remove someone who would probably vote macabre before me

It's fairly clear this game is won via PoE so we should have a day as equally fast as the night

VOTE: macabre

zzz
OS still town imo
zzz

I had a moment of doubt but I think so too

VOTE: macabre

I mean if OS is pushing me and talking about setup spec a fair bit, when I flip he isn't going to reach lylo imo so that would be too much risk for last scum

I was going to iso him but that penny dropped and it made it obvious

My theory has been slightly reinforced in light of the OS vote on Macabre

OS has been voting me on the premise that we cant have our roles together in this setup and as such has been voting me for most of this game day.

I considered the possibility that he could be scum but wrote it off in my head because let's see how that plays out...

[...]

VOTE: ObviousScum, Obviously.

Spoiler: Case of the hedgehog

Yeah I probably should have made that less obvious

VOTE: Profii

Think I'm here, Mac actually made some decent points about setup spec yesterday

I really thought it was ELA and have been re-evaluating to see if I had somehow let scum slip into my townblock but I still just don't see Luca/Wimpy as scum

That being said this is the point for re-evaluations if someone wants to argue for Luca or Wimpy, or if people strongly prefer Mac to Profii

VOTE: profii.

His crumb does feel really well planned and that's my biggest doubt on this flipping scum but beyond that I really don't like the slot very much

I mean I'm gonna be optimistic and say that scum is still in mac/profii

If its wimpy or luca they did a damn good job selling town tones imo

VOTE: Mac

Alright, Luca or Profii can hammer if they want idgaf

VOTE: Profii

Like in my mind I'm like "somni wanted Mac first, wimpy wants mac first, egix wants mac first" and if the fucking meming bird is scum I will feel like a dumbass in post but that case profii posted was so damn scummy I want him gone

Mac

Mac's gonna flip town

then can we lynch profii, PLEASE?

Luca can you just hammer so we can get on with this nonsense

VOTE: Mac

Like that profii is sitting on me but is putting 0 effort in trying to change your mind, wimpy, is why profii is scum

I feel like I have made the argument and been ignored

profii is just trying to like ride the storm out and hope he can pull something out of his ass in mylo

VOTE: Profii

Spoiler: Case of the wolf

VOTE: Macabre

L1

[Macabre]

well neither of the people who are best chance for scum are doing anything interesting so... yeah boring game

lynch profii? compromise on Mac?

so compromise on mac then? I feel like 70% sure he flips town but if this is just the only way we can get to profii w/e

intent

A compromise would be the worst decision! Without good reasons, we would be playing for the next day, rather than this one. However! if nobody would hope to listen to this crow, coming to the correct conclusion is meaningless! Sad!

[Macabre]

This crow is tired of the lazy deflections on the part of the hedgehog. This hedgehog is the worst hedgehog, set out to destroy us all. Horrible hedgehog!

You're arguing I'm scum for being 0/2 in profii/ame but you're not really making it clear why you're pre-flipping profii as town?

The case against the Chimera was unconvincing! Suspecting the scarf boy for not playing ball is not fair! The timing of the counter argument, in favor of the chimera/scarf boy incidentally deflected from the hydra, a case of which you humored the Knight on earlier that day! Which reasons are good, and which are bad? Seemingly, all the decisions you make contain malice! Source of all evil!

At what point does the all-town theory go to waste? When the question of the hydra appears... What is this trajectory? Speed!

On the subject of Looker, I found their 497 weird on a few levels.

1) they say the timings of my interaction with Frost post-slip is weird, which implies a negative opinion, but then wonders aloud if it clears me. This is also odd because Looker never refers back to this opinion of me again, but continues in their neutral stance towards me.

2) disagrees with my point against JT, saying we shouldn’t ‘penalizse’ him for giving reads. Why should anyone not be held accountable for their reads? It’s what the game of Mafia is based on. I can’t grasp this mindset at all.

3) throws random shade at EV, when Looker has been as much a bystander this game.

My inclination was to townread for 216 because it seems like such a transparent pocket attempt (2scummy4scum). I still think there's a world where that's town indicative but I guess it's not as town-indicative for Looker as I thought it was at first (as town he's actually somewhat cautious with townreads). I still think it'd be a bit weird if both Aaron and Looker both opened the game by doing a meme townread but saying they wouldn't is the gambler's fallacy so *shrug*

319 is something that could come from scum looker, but 377 is the only crassness in the whole iso, whereas as scum looker tends toward hyperbole and aggressiveness

I have to agree with Luca that 497 is just a mess to comprehend

674 would have been better without the ABV

Thought a bit about 761 and the indication of being "lost" -- was tempted to townread but he's not very often "lost" in games as either alignment so nothing recent to compare to here. The last time he says something like this was back in 2010 where he happened to be scum but that's so long ago I doubt it's pattern indicative.

Overall it's tricky. There's not a lot of towngames to compare to in the recent iso, but there's a few tonal things absent from the scum games that I would expect to see here.

I guess I would say I'm less confident in him being town now that I've read his whole iso more closely and am not making a snap judgement off 216 but I don't think the tone issues I have with him are worse than those I sometimes feel about profii, or perhaps ELA.

In response to the scarf boy voting the hydra...

[(Ame/Profii)->Egix/Mac/Looker] would be my "please shoot" pool if we were doing one

mmmmm yeah maybe we should just lynch Ame today :/

still want profii's response to wagon

This is not innocent behavior! Open your eyes!

Green flip on looker, vig shoots

egix

(?)
Leash me to {wimpy, somni}
Leash profii to {Mac}

Red flip on

looker

, vig shoots {Ame, Mac}?
Leash me to somni
Leash profii to wimpy

??

Question mark! Indeed!

[Macabre]

You've still never said a reason to townread profii that made any sense

It is a lot easier for the hedgehog to create a read than this crow, for this hedgehog has all the information needed... While the chimera has done little for us outside of their crumb and the death of the hydra, this appears, to be, again the same poor rhetoric used to kill the roman lover. Low energy!

[Macabre]

People seem to have reads on Profii already. I don't like how Egix96 implied a town read on profii in post 68 and threw shade at those voting him. I think there's a strong chance that if one of profii and Egix96 flip scum, the other one will too

I've read what I've missed and these are my thoughts on the current state of affairs.
Frost and insomnia are both town.
Luca and Profii are both scum.
I felt that Luca's jump onto frost was opportunistic and a way to distract from the profii discussion which has now dissolved.
VOTE: luca
I'll read through Luca's iso now to see if it was just the way I was reading through the thread.

These are the posts which confirm the hedgehog as an evil doer! The traitor tied their read on the chimera to how the wolf behaved around them: then, later, when the chimera was no longer the biggest target, switched to the knight and chimera, when the knight was the biggest target. Where did the wolf go, and why did their read on the chimera remain the same when it was their read on the wolf that was the driving force behind the read on the chimera? Malarkey!

[Macabre]

This hedgehog was accusing the scarf boy for refusing to vote for the chimera: a position that was reasonable at the time! This was after the period where the knight raised concerns about the hydra, concerns which this hedgehog acknowledged... Then ignored! In favor of voting for the chimera, and accusing all those either not for the chimera or not a plainly obvious upstanding citizen! Bait and switch!

[Macabre]

It is one off lylo. This chimera has been mistaken. There is nothing that compels the criminal scum among us to submit a kill. It is a day from lylo or a draw. Revision!

[Macabre]

Unless...? Just kidding.

[Macabre]

This hedgehog was accusing the scarf boy for refusing to vote for the chimera: a position that was reasonable at the time! This was after the period where the knight raised concerns about the hydra, concerns which this hedgehog acknowledged... Then ignored! In favor of voting for the chimera, and accusing all those either not for the chimera or not a plainly obvious upstanding citizen! Bait and switch!

YOU ARE PRE-FLIPPING PROFII AS TOWN TO CASE HIM AS TOWN?

WHAT THE FUCK?

PLAY BETTER

Not willing to vote for somebody on the second day is different than viewing them as town. Viewing how this hedgehog played around the competing wagons on the second day is much better evidence. Fact!