Open 774 || Purgatory — Game Over

[Wooper]

still a little v/la for a couple of days i just really really didn't wanna miss this plist

[Wooper]

I like hummus

locktown irl

ANYWAY.

Amrun's vote on me does not sit well w/ me.

There are only like 2 people that i even want to call town and i don't even have good reasons for them. This needs to be fixed.

at this point mine were pops and amrun and i liked amrun's vote on you :<

I don't see what my townread implosion is seeing really but I am going to go with him and VOTE: Amrun anyway

I'm also like entirely fine with thiw

[Wooper]

Thing is I don't see that vote as a not doing something vote more just to turn the heat up on the game a little. I wish more were here for the moment but I don't think we're going to get that.

Right now the hydra confuses me but my read on them tells me that we're fine at this moment and justification. If anything I wish there were a few more chiming in.

what exactly do you like from the hydra and why do you find like all of implo/pops/amrun for example less remarkable at this point

[Wooper]

Implosion is scum now and I'm kind of sad about it

same :c sorry your spoiler tag didn't work but we need to have this dialogue

[Wooper]

Give me a townread S_S

Amrun. 53 doesn't sound S -> T, and her page 4 content is solving-oriented.

and perhaps some thoughts over less vocal people {Looker, Elmo, Homura, Phi Kappa Phi}

Homura leans town for being casual, and no opinion on the other three.

@Strq: I agree with pops town. I think pops sounds much more forced as scum. She seems to be having fun here.

Looker I scumlean - he seems more disengaged than usual. Homura slight townlean for doing the greeting tell right after I talked about it. PKP totally null.

This is either a good sign or I'm about to have a really bad time : |

[Wooper]

VOTE: implozzle
can ppl explain why they're voting looker rq
I don't townread just want to see the inside of your eyelids x

[Wooper]

VOTE: Amrun.
Why you gotta be scum in my games?

I don't think you two are the same alignment. I want to find the scum(s) in you, Amrun, and implosion.

Can you go little deeper on where the non-t/t/t read on these three comes from? i am the first to admit I'm half assing solving so far but this feels pretty random

[Wooper]

VOTE: Homura

[Wooper]

Idk how to explain how i feel about implo's posting here
he just feels tonally like, a little vexed, actually he reads sincerely completely differently here to how he's read in any game we've played together (or I've spectated) previously and i think that's possibly +ive?

doesn't take a wide scumrange to be like "hey why are y'all voting the person who is actually doing things which is me" but i also feel it's a kind of counterintuitive response to being wagoned as scum. I'm aware implo is experienced enough to avoid a guilt i tone in response to being wagoned this early but he's actually just posting stuff that is completely lacking any attempt to look good and I'm nor totally sure it's actually scummy

Homu-chan is scummy which is a tragedy because she was meant to travel back from MyLo to Hell1 to try and stop us from making stupid mistakes

I emphatically do not townread the hydra

I wish i was asleep

[Wooper]

~snip~

implo kinda weirdly towny imo
SS looks like town SS at surface value which means he's null

I like actually sincerely want Looker's feedback on that group of 1/3 scum because i think i have a read on him and that should basically tell me if i do or not

Dannflor is scum and must not reach endgame

[Wooper]

sry for op quote
I went to write a tiered readlist then realised my fucks given meter is still a bit too low

"hey why are y'all voting the person who is actually doing things which is me"

If this came from Krazy i would reactively evolve into Quagsire and lynch the fuck out of him btw so i am indeed applying a very weird standard to the way I'm reading implo but it feels warm and fuzzy ^_^

[Wooper]

Hello.

Oof, speaking of greeting tell! It’s really a bad tell, but the timing was too good.

@Strq: I agree with pops town. I think pops sounds much more forced as scum. She seems to be having fun here.

Looker I scumlean - he seems more disengaged than usual. Homura slight townlean for doing the greeting tell right after I talked about it. PKP totally null.

Homura/Amrun nonzero s/s equity off like the scent of openers

[Wooper]

Amrun could i get like a super quick snapshot of your reads/strength e.g. tiered readlist? My brain is pumping out so many brain thoughts about your alignment and i think if i can start to assemble them in some kind of order this game gets phenomenally easier

[Wooper]

sigh
I'm slightly biased against being voted incorrectly but i suppose as someone I've {scummed,masoned} with very recently i can see how this opening could be misconstrued as my {scum,mason} opening.

pops if you're sincerely like mmmMMMMmm scumduck atm can i tempt you to vote a more productive wagon and attempt to sort me in a day or two? I think my alignment will become clear very quickly and the current wagons are actually extremely useful.

[Wooper]

I think there's a world in which I'm seeing this game in 3d and the scumteam are already like somewhat transparent (this is not actually super uncommon in micros but I'll admit 3/3 is a bit ambitious)

ooooorrrrrrrr

we're in a world where i need to sort that fucking hydra and I'm going to lose a lot of sleep

[Wooper]

Not asking you to procrastinate against lynching scum. Asking you not to waste your vote while I'm getting fired up.

In other words i guess, throw some content against me which passes "scum!wooper is a chaotic noisebox". Because within the next day or two my read trajectory is going to be very obvious and I'll be looking for content much less superficial than what you've given so far

Sorry for the intensity. Can't sleep and i feel like i want this game to Start Harder.

[Wooper]

I only see a water type, not a flying type. What is this duck you speak of?

This setup isn't actually that kind to procrastinating lynching scum. If town is damned day1, scum get to try to send scum to heaven with a comfy 3/8ths of all votes. It's brutal.

also i suppose i don't really care about the second part of this

In the most recent purgatory a d1 mislynch then sending scum to heaven d2 kinda accidentally won us the game by removing the deeper wolf and crushing the PoE. but also i fully plan to hit red today. Just remember that scum already control 3/6 of the vote so town need to play hard and careful.

[Wooper]

Play hard and vote careful* even

[Wooper]

It's pretty disingenuous to say I'm acting like i don't have elbow room while I'm frantically flailing my arms around. what are your reads other than implo town?

[Wooper]

Talk to me about why?
/ how that effects other slots in the game?

Elmo is probably myyyy uhh second strongest townread
possibly strongest holistically but sleepybrain is a little bit infatuated with town!implo atm

[Wooper]

I don't know if unvoting implosion entirely means I think he's town.

This game is hard.

in that case more talk around the reason for the unvote would help me a lot.

[Wooper]

simply? holistically = overall
I need to re-evaluate implo because i went like scum?....scum! no town quite quickly

Elmo i went mmmm null then had a read and a think and a read and i think she towntold reasonably hard tbh

[Wooper]

It seems really dangerous for implo to call his whole wagon town

Do you roughly agree with my stance that implo's reaction to being wagoned didn't feel motivated by optics or are you thinking something else?

[Wooper]

I think the best way i can sum up my hydra read rn is it feels like we're all playing jenga while the hydra is playing with their new trumpet

I suppose I'd like something less erratic and maybe just a better presented summary of where they/their heads are at rn

I think hydra unison is for nerds, hydra dissonance is highly underrated, but i don't feel them within the flow of the game aorn. not detached. an active spectator. I'm hungry for more.

[Wooper]

pops if i told you i'm really struggling to get a read on you, think about 3 of your posts are kinda maybe towny, and think amrun is scum, does that help with this dialogue at all?

also on implo: the idea that he's intentionally de facto rng responding to being wagoned by throwing out bizarre boiling hot takes is crossing my mind the more i think about it but I'm not really sure I'll nail his alignment from WIFOMing myself through this. I think he gets more transparent here, not less. are you comfortably null on him? gth when you try to solve this game, are you looking for his buddies or for scum outside of him?

I don't see implo partners rn and am fairly uncomfortable width amrun/homura at a minimum, and think an implo/homu/amrun solve is kinda wonky

my reads might be disproportionately advanced but is there anything in this post which is inspiring you to open your brain to me?

[Wooper]

I think the best way i can sum up my hydra read rn is it feels like we're all playing jenga while the hydra is playing with their new trumpet

I suppose I'd like something less erratic and maybe just a better presented summary of where they/their heads are at rn

I think hydra unison is for nerds, hydra dissonance is highly underrated, but i don't feel them within the flow of the game aorn. not detached. an active spectator. I'm hungry for more.

I feel like so many people have posted a weird comment of some kind about the hydra that it probably has partners and like maybe we should just flip it
This comment itself and lack of accompanying vote will probably go into the pile but that's ok as it will only increase the momentum for "just flip it"

I was toying with the idea of policy heavenlynching it
policy helllynch on that hydra would be a huge waste if it's town, lot of late game solving potential, I'd just quite like it to turn the volume down and turn the bass up

basically same camp - it's maybe scum with whoeverthefuck and I'm having a hard time moving it out of null

in retrospect i really quite like implo sticking his head out with the "hydra is always null" read

[Wooper]

summer! summ summ summer!

- wooper

[Wooper]

Same deal to you!

-Summer

you/qrow are fucking me up
I want Qrow to he Krazy because Krazy is the cool uncle character irl but i think your head has made some Krazzyesque comments so I'm leaning more into you being Krazzy aorn

I know Krazzy/Ank are both busy atm and a little exhausted so either could be Qrow

Tai opening is always written by Taly and is either Taly or someone imitating Taly to thin my week

Raven should be Enter, his brand of cute is quite off-key compared to Ank/Taly/Krazzy brands of cute

so final guess
Raven - Enter
Tai - Taly
Summer - Krazy?
Qrow - Alyssa?

[Wooper]

imitating Taly to thin my week

ruin my week*

[Wooper]

Oh cool I'm voting scum.

And I'm non-voting town.

HEAL: S_S

VOTE: pops

Hydra dissonance is always town :3

-Q

pedit: Q is Qrow

the more prudent question, and the one that was asked, is what are all of the heads!

We are all town!

Except for

Raven

, she's a bit out there at times.

-Summer

These were the posts which made me think Summer Krazzy against my intuition

Am i correct if we swap summer/qrow

[Wooper]

Sigh 30 is quite Krazzy too
you're definitely messing with tonality, and individually none of you have advanced enough reads for me to ID you thru meta

[Wooper]

should have trusted my gut. Damn Krazzy and his cool uncle energy.

[Wooper]

pops if i told you i'm really struggling to get a read on you, think about 3 of your posts are kinda maybe towny, and think amrun is scum, does that help with this dialogue at all?

also on implo: the idea that he's intentionally de facto rng responding to being wagoned by throwing out bizarre boiling hot takes is crossing my mind the more i think about it but I'm not really sure I'll nail his alignment from WIFOMing myself through this. I think he gets more transparent here, not less. are you comfortably null on him? gth when you try to solve this game, are you looking for his buddies or for scum outside of him?

I don't see implo partners rn and am fairly uncomfortable width amrun/homura at a minimum, and think an implo/homu/amrun solve is kinda wonky

my reads might be disproportionately advanced but is there anything in this post which is inspiring you to open your brain to me?

I think the best way i can sum up my hydra read rn is it feels like we're all playing jenga while the hydra is playing with their new trumpet

I suppose I'd like something less erratic and maybe just a better presented summary of where they/their heads are at rn

I think hydra unison is for nerds, hydra dissonance is highly underrated, but i don't feel them within the flow of the game aorn. not detached. an active spectator. I'm hungry for more.

I feel like so many people have posted a weird comment of some kind about the hydra that it probably has partners and like maybe we should just flip it
This comment itself and lack of accompanying vote will probably go into the pile but that's ok as it will only increase the momentum for "just flip it"

I was toying with the idea of policy heavenlynching it
policy helllynch on that hydra would be a huge waste if it's town, lot of late game solving potential, I'd just quite like it to turn the volume down and turn the bass up

basically same camp - it's maybe scum with whoeverthefuck and I'm having a hard time moving it out of null

in retrospect i really quite like implo sticking his head out with the "hydra is always null" read

pops i still really want to taste your soul this game please

I feel like we were so close to connecting... and then you reached out and angelically booped my nose, whispering "not today, dear wooper"...

[Wooper]

Whichever head you are i love you. Look after yourself and see you later.

[Wooper]

since I ~alluded~ to really liking Elmo but didn't go into it a whole bunch, a few notes

Thing is I don't see that vote as a not doing something vote more just to turn the heat up on the game a little. I wish more were here for the moment but I don't think we're going to get that.

Right now the hydra confuses me but my read on them tells me that we're fine at this moment and justification. If anything I wish there were a few more chiming in.

This didn't do much for me at the time but from what i remember was v much the first kinda off beat comment about discomfort in trying to read the hydra -- it's the first one that basically stuck with me anyway. at the time i didn't like it much because i find a lot of "stuff reading the hydra" comments as brushoffs.

in retrospect similarly to liking implo's advancement wrt hard null on them i quite like Elmo opening the dialogue on how jarring the hydra dynamic is. she also seems to circle back to kinda just null/towning and leaving them to do their thing for a moment which is probs lacking enough in agenda that its just sincere (or like w/w with the hydra if we're on Planet Oh Fuck)

STRQ Does bring a good point up in 93 about town blocs. Amrun is reading town. I really don't like 94 from pops it just feels sorta forced like here's my vote and I don't have much reason because I town read the other

I think I've kinda spilled this already but i agree with this take and am not super comfortable with Amrun's contrary read on pops.

Noting also the brief townread on Amrun. at this point the pair's firsthand interactions have been Amrun voting Elmo, friendly greeting/catchup, then bouncing onto implosion (going from voting Elmo to joining Elmo's rvs wagon) as soon as there was content to analyse

unsure if sleepybrain but when i read joined amr/elmo ISOs this reads amrun=>elmo pockety

I don't think the hydra knows what's going on with their heads right now which is saying something. I'm not enjoying the confusion from this and implosion has been voting for a while now. So that just screams a bit weird to me.

Not a bit fan of a pressure vote. But I get it.

just an echo discomfort with hydra doesn't read opportunistic

Thing is I don't see that vote as a not doing something vote more just to turn the heat up on the game a little. I wish more were here for the moment but I don't think we're going to get that.

Right now the hydra confuses me but my read on them tells me that we're fine at this moment and justification. If anything I wish there were a few more chiming in.

what exactly do you like from the hydra and why do you find like all of implo/pops/amrun for example less remarkable at this point

There are some reads I enjoy from the hydra but more heads more confusion. I've never been a fan of hydras and more cooks in the kitchen just throw me off.

I have my reads on the 3 of them and I'm 100% sure there is a 33% chance of one being scum and my gut says it's not implosion. But pops not saying much didn't help me get a gut read.

VOTE: Amrun.
Why you gotta be scum in my games?

this read turnaround gave me mild whiplash but Amrun is
1) under the radar, unwagoned
2) not an easy target
3) actually indeed scummy in a fairly lowkey way

Pedit: pops I had higher hopes for you. Not to be a memer. But Is this normal for pops to be this quiet?

kinda auxiliary because it didn't form my initial impression but struck me while I'm towncasing: this is -charisma +solving on a player who Elmo has some pocket equity with

For Elmo to be scum she has decided to systematically alienate the exactly two (2) players who appear to have prior firsthand experience with her including Amrun who has already soft buddied her itt regardless of their alignments

@Team STRQ: I’m actually also confused by what you’re saying - implo is clearly voting me?

what?????
i'm not????

Omg lol you’re not. I thought you were. Why aren’t you?

VOTE: Amrun.
Why you gotta be scum in my games?

I don't think you two are the same alignment. I want to find the scum(s) in you, Amrun, and implosion.

Can you go little deeper on where the non-t/t/t read on these three comes from? i am the first to admit I'm half assing solving so far but this feels pretty random

Looker always thinks I’m scum so like ... this seems on par for town looker actually.

end of Amrun iso so far - doesn't acknowledge Elmo's read fliparound

Amrun has gone from voting to voting with Elmo which implies some level of townread, or at least scumreading other slots a lot more; Elmo's read trajectory is pretty jarring and I'd be surprised if Amrun missed this as valuable sorting information

if this is coming from a world where Elmo/Amrun are as theatreing: i find it really weird that Amrun doesn't acknowledge/play the theatre at all

I think this interaction is uniquely town indicative for Elmo, softly scum indicative for Amrun, anti-s/s indicative

[Wooper]

key takeaways because i accidentally a wall:
- Elmo accepted and then turned around a buddy attempt from Amrun.
- Admin didn't acknowledge the same.
- Elmo's more noncomittal reads are more thread flow oriented and lack any opportunism.
- Elmo is playing to sort, not charismatically (potentially anti-charismatically)

[Wooper]

For the record, this post up is pops prior to Elmo stating her discomfort. it's a pretty disengaged/surface wolfy iso without knowing not to try and alignment read pops off it at this point in her meta. so i lean #teamelmo on the pops read. I'm not sure whether amrun=>pops reads pockety or buddyish tbh and i really think it's going to be easier to just sort pops /o\

[Wooper]

huh i might have read too much into your happiness at her returning
don't think that materially diminishes my point much, but correction noted

I think we played together for like 2 irl days in an open but since then I've read some of her older games and she's cool

[Wooper]

that's a very pops vibe, no harm done.

pops if i told you i'm really struggling to get a read on you, think about 3 of your posts are kinda maybe towny, and think amrun is scum, does that help with this dialogue at all?

also on implo: the idea that he's intentionally de facto rng responding to being wagoned by throwing out bizarre boiling hot takes is crossing my mind the more i think about it but I'm not really sure I'll nail his alignment from WIFOMing myself through this. I think he gets more transparent here, not less. are you comfortably null on him? gth when you try to solve this game, are you looking for his buddies or for scum outside of him?

I don't see implo partners rn and am fairly uncomfortable width amrun/homura at a minimum, and think an implo/homu/amrun solve is kinda wonky

my reads might be disproportionately advanced but is there anything in this post which is inspiring you to open your brain to me?

I have stated before that Amrun might be scum who is TMIing me.

The RNG feel from implo has definitely struck me also, with a weirdly timed "S_S could be town I guess". To dip into meta again though, he didn't do that when he rolled scum as I recall, he doled out reads more slowly. I kind of interpret it as him trying to play the low-information phase the way its best to play the low-information phase and have a low threshold for granting some kind of read so that the game develops whereas scum!implo in the past needed to see where the trenches lay to decide the best place to be. Which is why committing to a read on my slot helps his standing but at the same time maybe he knows that's exactly what I want from him I don't think I hid that particularly well

I basically agree on implo, and this makes me want to treat him as town unless he starts to make more sense as scum. my reasons for voting him originally were pretty well "he's playing the game - let's see if he knows he's ott here" and his response was pretty much

"YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT"

which just generally doesn't feel scummy

[Wooper]

Prodge. Don't have much to say. Drawing a total blank on most of the list.

Ask me questions so I can engage.

I don't think the hydra knows what's going on with their heads right now which is saying something

Which posts made you think that?

Spicy take

It's town indicative to excuse yourself from producing content but then extemporaneously realize you have some content to produce anyway

Sure. I agree. If one produces content.

Homura's question @Elmo had like a conspicuous answer itt and does nothing to advance the dialogue in any of their slots. :S it's like, benchmark busywork posting.

[Wooper]

You know what, granted. I feel worse about Amrun than Homura atm i just wanted Homura in the spotlight more (show got better post-episode 3)

VOTE: Amrun

[Wooper]

:shrug:
I got nothin else for you pops
if you're town i kinda need you to start solving the game like fairly urgently please

[Wooper]

for the record i offered to replace into this because this playerlist is a crazy fun challenge to play Purgatory with no matter how i rand - so expect me to keep trying to break through at the cost of my sanity.

[Wooper]

Sorry if I've given that impression - I've actually enjoyed this conversation quite a lot and I've gotten a bit out of your takes on implo & homura. I don't like townread Homura for it (I'm too stubborn/anti-tonal) but i definitely see your point that the inconsistent posting pattern comes from a town mindset quite quickly.

Like your number of AI posts has probably ~tripled in the last hour which is exciting because when i started getting hyperactive i very much thought you were about to leave

[Wooper]

I'm also voting Amrun because in calibrating
- i went into this with Amrun/Homura as a solve with you as a potential third, and wanting Homura in the limelight in the hope fun things would happen.
- after opening my brain i feel more correct about Amrun and less fired up shout Homura
- i basically agree with your comments and unless we're looking at town!Amrun/scum!Homura i think there's a lot to like about your stance

[Wooper]

You should treasure my NAI posts too though my brand new Zebun is beautiful

I compulsively treasure you.
I'm also just very excited about this game of mafia.

[Wooper]

pops i still really want to taste your soul this game please

I feel like we were so close to connecting... and then you reached out and angelically booped my nose, whispering "not today, dear wooper"...

this comment was very much engineered to draw you into the conversation; not to double down on a nullread. if not this then i really don't know how you've misinterpreted my reed on you based on the last three pages.

Policy healing team STRQ is a terrible idea that I will not participate in btw

In typical wooper fashion: this isn't something I'm interpreted enough in to actually discuss, and policy lynches aren't a thing that are realistically even close to appropriate in practice. please take it for the abstract gamestate read it is.

[Wooper]

woopers have noses, they're just the same colour as the rest of our face. hold on I'll show you.

[Wooper]

here you go.

[Wooper]

I don't think i have strong feelings on the first part of 293 tbh, i agree i wouldn't try to drive a lynch off it? but as a cursory observation the way it was i don't think I'd find it particularly difficult to drop as scum regardless of Homura's alignment


uhh the only person who's meaningfully interacted with my content is Amrun agreeing with my hard Elmo townread and i just called her out on buddying Elmo so....

I appreciate the high value of me interacting with other slots but i think I'm the least boring slot itt by a decent margin atm and think people should be trying to engage meaningfully with me rather than vice versa

[Wooper]

QUACKERS

oh and this is meaningful
hi you <3

Wooper I'm either going to policy heaven or policy hell that new avatar recognize you are doubling down

I don't feel compelled to change it yet tbh

[Wooper]

ok

[Wooper]

Sure, that would be a bad move regardless of alignment. That comment was about the others more more so than you.

[Wooper]

OK, can you give me a bullet-point list on your individual reads on Elmo/Amrun? Separate ISO if you'd like.

I'm like quite busy and will not get to this in good time unless i have another frenzied low-sleep night. Could you please have another read of my Elmo towncase and lmk what you want in a bit more detail?

[Wooper]

SCUM {amrun / elmo | implosion | Something_Smart | Team STRQ} TOWN

Could you elaborate on literally any of this and particularly your comment about scum/s in {amrun, elmo, implosion}? if you have the time i also argued pretty loudly that Elmo is town and i think you're voteparking the highest town equity player in your bottom 3 reads

[Wooper]

key takeaways because i accidentally a wall:
- Elmo accepted and then turned around a buddy attempt from Amrun.
- Admin didn't acknowledge the same.
- Elmo's more noncomittal reads are more thread flow oriented and lack any opportunism.
- Elmo is playing to sort, not charismatically (potentially anti-charismatically)

I know walls are gross!! but like can someone who doesn't townread Elmo please fight me about this?

can someone else please give an updated implosion read?

can someone who is refusing to vote Amrun despite not explaining a townread on her explain their townread?

y'all are wading in this threads mega shitty snail pace gamestate. if you have a town role pm please give yourself a long hard look in the mirror then come back to the thread and help post something that advances the game rather than delicately fart on the thread

tyia

[Wooper]

anything on how many scum you actually think are in {amrun, wooper, homura, elmo} because like i think there's reasonable associative clears to be making here

I don't think Elmo/Amrun makes sense as s/s for example

I rhino me/amrun/homura as an exact solve is like, really quiet silly at surface level

so looking at that i guess maybe you're considering like a wooper/elmo/homura solve? I'm expecting to eat a lunch today so it looks like I'm TMIing elmo and like I'm opportunistic toward a Homura the way I'd be toward a mislynch prospect?

Just restating. You're very noisy but your reads are severely underdeveloped, and this is a theme across all heads. Can you please consolidate a little and have a chat or try and have someone actually think a layer or two deeper? like Taly had the audacity to ask me to read your hydra and tell him my read on Elmo after i towncased Elmo and called out your shitty underdevelopped reads and hydra dynamic

If y'all are town I'm happy that you're having fun but what are you doing this game?

[Wooper]

I have this kind of chicken sexer kind of feeling that wooper is scum, like what he's been doing is cut from the cloth of the scumgames I've seen and not the town game.
Wooper do I only get to see you play town one time ever?

Including this time, no; excluding? honestly maybe

[Wooper]

I was thinking this myself honestly. Just how the games been unfolding and such I was wondering why is no one really looking at Wooper and just letting them slide on thru the day...

Any thoughts on the fact I'm literally grabbing people by the collar & yelling in their face just to be ignored or just gonna stick to this weird shade line

[Wooper]

My guess on the head is that Krazy pointed out how Wooper successfully messed up a conversation about his slot by reframing a metaphor I made about him. I don't know if Krazy was saying it's scummy but I'll say it's scummy; Wooper seems to need agenda control I don't seem him needing as much as town.

you uh
read our conversation? or..?

[Wooper]

I have this kind of chicken sexer kind of feeling that wooper is scum, like what he's been doing is cut from the cloth of the scumgames I've seen and not the town game.
Wooper do I only get to see you play town one time ever?

Including this time, no; excluding? honestly maybe

Is that a blacklist threat?

no
I try not to talk about blacklists, replace outs etc, publicly midgame

mode importantly I like you far too much to blacklist you

[Wooper]

Wooper if you could hard sell me on lynching scum d1 here and forcing me to reconsider my scumread that way what player would you case and flip red for me?

Amrun

[Wooper]

Also, what exactly is "town equity"?

Likelihood of being town / improbability of being a scumbag

[Wooper]

Sorry I knose this is hard

[Wooper]

Wooper why have you ignored me?

-Summer

just oepned thread to this - what do you feel I should have responded to from you

if I ignored you it's because there were more exciting things happening!!

[Wooper]

I mainly don't understand why you entered the thread with this huge frenzy of content mainly directed towards one slot

and then when other people start popping in, you start going into this weird zone of "start playing around me if you want me to talk to you" type of approach to the game, which I don't think I've ever seen you do in any game before

what's up with that

-Summer

it's how I feel
this game's pace is horrific so I tried my best to fix it
like how am I meant to even attempt to answer this question in good faith / with any added value

[Wooper]

Amrun is kinda scum and needs to die this phase
I'm at like 2/4 bad faith engagements with STRQ heads and the other ones are 1) lurking, 2) posting contentless ravings so I figure they just don't want to be read. :shrug: this is probably also scum at this point.

gl on the third

Elmo remains clearly town
implosion kinda mild town. I dont totally love how he's losing engagement but I also kinda think scum!implosion makes more of this gamestate. I want this to be slipping but it's not really. unless my reads suck he's town.
SS looks like town!SS at surface value but anyone hard townreading is more likely pocketing, or (less likely) just really dense. my dude hasn't alignment told much at all yet. SS is aware of the way he presents earlygame and does not have an issue replicating this as scum. he also hasn't shown anything this game outside his scumrange. watch this for later content but like around null maybe leaning slightly upwards
pops close to rand but leans into town a little? idrc gl on this
I find it kinda impossible to have a read I care about on looker aorn
homura was kinda wolfy

Amrun/STRQ>Ame>looker>pops>ss>implo>elmo

I think I'm L-1 or L-2 and my wagon is kinda filth buuuuut if this is hammered gl/hf

[Wooper]

bad faith engagements:

Tai asks questions about my iso which have recently been answered in detail, shows no interest in continuing the conversation

Summer asks an entrapping question, votes me with no indication that she's interested in continuing the conversation

Raven is the one who is like vomiting on the thread to avoid producing content

Qrow hard lurking

most time I've spent trying to look for towntells in an hydra iso and the best game related content so far comes from Summer who is also the best + most currently-experienced scum player in the hydra. exactly none of them have provided even close to valuably advanced or nuanced reads or shown like anything close to outside scumrange; two of them have shown opportunism + posting intended to present well respectively

[Wooper]

My issue with S_S is there is nothing of value there they are just somewhat coasting thru the day. No votes laid no FOS no nothing

This is my impression of SS holistically, and I may be misreading his intent a little but w/e

He doesn't tend to dive into the fray until he's kinda somewhat confident in what he's doing. Some town players find value in creating content (sup) while others find their value add is analysing content. SS is middle leaning latter. He doesn't create content from nothing very well but once he feels there's enough to analyse/advance the gamestate he's very impressive.

His reads are good and he creates game advancing content well, just never earlygame.

I'd caution a nullread if you're just absolutely unfamiliar with him

[Wooper]

how do you feel about my reads other than disdain for the hydra's poor dynamic & null ss elmo?

[Wooper]

That's like exactly the opposite of what I consider myself to be doing

[Wooper]

taly called out so gives excuses for lack of scifi city
ank called out so passive aggressive "okay duck"

bad faith engagements

[Wooper]

activity*

[Wooper]

my slot has shot from 0 posting to being one of the highest posters itt
I've engaged or at least attempted to engage with nearly every slot
my reads are the most comprehensive & transparent of anybody's
I have explained them in a lot of detail and largely been ignored
I am probably?? the largest wagon? rn and my defenders aren't pushing shit; they just think I'm town

if this isn't a red flag that I'm a mislynch and my wagon is filth are people waiting for a mod confirmation or somethng?

[Wooper]

where was the opportunity to engage again? if it was literally you asking me to put in more effort than I already have while maintaining super underdeveloped reads, yes, I agree

you're also devolving this conversation into something you can be right/righteous about, not a conversation about the game of mafia we are currently playing. I've just dropped another bunch of reads you're welcome to engage with. I've just displayed that wagoning me is ridiculous. but no, you don't feel the need to engage with that because you're currently correct and righteous in this side point you're attempting to force the conversation into

this is a defensive tactic and it is not an attempt to sort me. this isn't a good faith engagement.

pedit: alright how is this scum!me choosing to engage with you this way please explain how scum!me decides it's a better idea to go down a mighty huge rabbit hole of trying to advance your reads and trying to force actual legitimately game related valuable conversations with you at the expense of being cute and likeable

I'm super excited for this explanation

please don't take long deadline is looming

[Wooper]

going to sleep now. if I'm hammered overnight gl town. idk who to heaven tomorrow

[Wooper]

jfc wooper, cut the bullshit and this hyper defensiveness that has no actual basis behind it.

it's really fucking disingenuous to throw so much word vomit out there in a very short timeframe, and then suddenly just draw back and go this "I don't need to do more, if you want me to do more, then make me do more" attitude, and then get all pissed off and righteous when you're called out on it. I specifically made a reads list that challenged your stances because I had a strong feeling that a town!duck would take that as a good opportunity to try to sort my slot directly, not... [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11631299]this[/u]. You've been attempting to forcibly shut me down from talking to you since then by calling this a "bad faith" engagement

To tackle this from another angle
like
once again how the hell do you see town!me replying to like...any of the dialogues you've tried to open...?

[Wooper]

Many factors are converging to make me believe there is at least one scum in {pops, wooper}. One such reason is that it's taken this long for someone to FoS me for being noncommittal, meaning scum haven't wanted to do it for some reason.

There are many possible reasons but the easiest one is that they (or at least some of them) know me too well to be able to get away with that.

Oddly I don't like this post all that much! Or at least it makes me feel things and I'm not sure how I want to classify those things.[/quot]
this post also made my stomach feel weird.

[Wooper]

I'm very skeptical that hyper defensiveness in general would be a trait associated strongly w/ scum!duck. Maybe in the context of this game but still skeptical.

specifically against this slot? it's very possible for scum!duck

he's rolled scum against a hydra with a very similar composition (only Raven missing and replaced with another slot) and we obvtowned super hard immediately and were a pretty strong long term threat, if he came into the game and saw only a narrow window to work with as scum, us suddenly obvtowning and becoming an obvious heaven target is a huge threat for him.

-Summer

to be a little more explicit...... you guys not having underdevelopped reads and a godawful hydra dynamic is a tremendous boon to town regardless of your alignment and ya if you're town I think you have the capacity to o obvtown enough to be heaven1'd.

I also mostly non seriously floated policy heaven1ing you to see whether that was an adequate call to action.

I've also tried repeatedly pointing out that your reads are cripplingly underdeveloped to see whether that was an adequate call to action.

I've also refused your request to force an engagement with your slot abs effectively asked you to have a nuanced read on me to see whether that was an adequate call to action.

It's almost like every engagement I've had with your slot was an endeavour to push buttons and get AI content out of you, and now you're shading me for being SCUM!DUCK!!!! Despite like e.g. Undertale, a game where I scummed with a near identical hydra, involving a d1 where I avoided intimidate contact at all costs because you're absolutely frightening to have s=>t interactions against.

You're describing
literally
the opposite
of my scum m.o.
and then calling my stances disingenuous

like of course my stances are dramafied and polarising but they are that way to drag content out of you and force you to actually try and read alignments rather than just each randomly asking seemingly unrelated questions and then, what

Taly asks me for stuff I've just explained in great fucking detail, is too busy irl to react to me calling that out or develop his reads but reappears to explain this within like 7 seconds

Enter has been spamming non game related cute stuff since I replaced in - this really only makes sense fmpov if he's going for a cute pocket and scared to post AI content

You refuse to engage with anything already itt including huge bombs of directly game related content from my slot since rep-in but have an expectation I'm going to go EVEN FURTHER to start engagements with your slot; when called out rather than try to read me at any deeper level or start an actual engaging conversation you start asking me entrapping questions then go "smh it's scumduck" because I've abandoned charisma to try and make you vomit up content and because I've put more effort into solving the game and trying to get people in general to pay attention to what is going on rather than spending time forcing engagement despite already knowing that my scum modus operandi here is to either avoid interactions with y'all for as long as possible or hard pocket you until I can remove you from the main thread?

like nothing you're doing this game looks town motivated at all ank.

[Wooper]

Implosion's post, or mine?

yours

how does that make you feel?

[Wooper]

alrighty I'm caught up

Team STRQ
implosion
Something_Smart
Amrun
Homura
Looker
Wooper
popsofctown
Elmo TeH AzN

VOTE: Elmo TeH AzN

-Summer

Ank this readlist was directly after I did a goddamn page 10 towncase on elmo and expressed why her being town made me uncomfortable with Amrun

I also pointed out I was hard null on SS

I also was uncomfortable with pops then had some warm fuzzies on this exact page

I also have Homura in PoE but pops called for town!Homura at the bottom of the page before.

looker null and implosion town are literally the only reads we agree about. I've just been spending a tonne of time while manic late at night projectile vomiting my reads into the thread. You post a naked readlist which has someone utterly within their scumrange as your #2 townread and my #1 townread as your #1 scumread without commenting on any of my contrary reads and the onus is on ME to advance this interaction?

what on earth

[Wooper]

yours

how does that make you feel?

Firstly, glad that you weren't talking about implosion.

Secondly, mildly surprised? I thought I did shenanigans like that in PYP and AvP.

to be fair I'm not sure whether I'm uncomfortable with you or whether I'm subtly biasing town!pops and basically just lowkey agree and I'm not sure I'm ready to parse that yet

Ironically I feel like there might be one scum in {you,pops} but that has a lot of "no youuuuu" about it and is very much a cursory feeling

[Wooper]

Even worse, why is Amrun

the

wagon?

she's like kinda wolfy

[Wooper]

am I being lazy? like I probably owe Amrun iso another read now I'm not manic and slept a bit better but I don't remember thinking anything she's done is towny and kinda found her early game a bit sketchy, really liked Elmo's vote on her (allow that says more for Elmo than Amrun) and didn't really vibe the way she hasn't like.. posted anything towny for a fair while

her reactions to my initial callout felt very much like "duly noted; moving on..." which I don't hate but she hasn't been moving on?

what's your take on amrun?

[Wooper]

Ironically I feel like there might be one scum in {you,pops} but that has a lot of "no youuuuu" about it and is very much a cursory feeling

I have no issue with being OMGUS'd as long as you back it up with reasoning. Why do you think that?

Exactly what I said. My stomach is funny about your post and I still don't know whether I dislike that it came from you, or dislike that it jars with a read I'm kind of biasing. like if I had to reflexively vig one of you, last night I would've reflexively vigged you. Right now I have no idea which way I'd go.

I'm excited for where this conversation is going ftr.

[Wooper]

immediately

@this post in general
you're asking for a free pass for d1 which I'm fine with at surface value
your hydra dynamics can be explained happily as either alignment which I think you know I treat as a surface d1 town indicator
still don't have a good sense of where we're going from here

[Wooper]

Amrun, Something_Smart, Wooper

if this is a list of big ol cuties itt you missed a few names

if not I'm finding this trio pretty hard to digest

[Wooper]

Exactly what I said. My stomach is funny about your post and I still don't know whether I dislike that it came from you, or dislike that it jars with a read I'm kind of biasing. like if I had to reflexively vig one of you, last night I would've reflexively vigged you. Right now I have no idea which way I'd go.

You said basically nothing besides "gut" though. I should hope that you can at least pinpoint what your gut thinks scum-me is trying to accomplish there that town-me would not be?

I assumed my earlier post would kinda answer this question in itself but like

I don't see an agenda from you at all at this point. I think I'm kinda waiting for your momentum to pick up but I think I stand ~1 in you/pops

sorry it's largely gut it's more like "these nullish reads have one scum in them I think" rather than a HARD DICHOTOMY OF DEATH you know?

[Wooper]

what's your take on amrun?

She seems to be pretty much playing in an ideal town way so far? Commenting, questioning, providing reads with reasons, not trying to control the game or provoke people, and encouraging cooperation.

Obviously scum are capable of playing that way, but I don't really see how she's scummy.

I'm not sure I have enough popcorn to last me until you lay a vote down this phase.

For the record, at the very least something wooper (and others) can note after the game, to the best of my knowledge I exited my scumrange earlier today. I think around 436.

huh
I think your play here trends town!SS but I thought it did so in a pretty selfaware way. Do I hold your scumgame in too high regard?

Actually the way you made my brain go hang out with my stomach probably indicates you're applying a solving mindset just to drop a read with that much nuance

@ me if you think there's more I should be parsing here. I'm going to dwell on this a bit. You're not d1 lynch anyway.

[Wooper]

similar/bit more on #500
same thing occurred to me with Ank's big post; this is either a tvt or while her partners have dipped she's engineered it to look a lot like a tvt to try and excuse the Tai/Raven posting

Purgatory creates necessity for such interesting plays
I think my heart wants to yolotownread you and strq but my head is begging me to strive for PERFECT READS

[Wooper]

Is Qrow Krazy? He has a flawless record reading me so far so that'd put some eyebrows onto the vote.

Enter otoh could misread me all he wants like whatever

almost certainly Qrow=Krazzy

[Wooper]

find you hard to engage on this

this is a really fucking good pocket if it is manufactured
VOTE: pops
I'm really sorry I don't have capacity to go full iso analysis at the moment (save another long ass night mobileposting which I also really hope doesn't happen) so I'm not really sure where to put you readlist wise I just kinda don't think I have the energy to engage with you/SS about amrun reads in a way which actually ends with you correctly sorted

but I think you should be sortable aorn
weekend should fall on heaven1. I think I want this dialogue then.

[Wooper]

For the record, at the very least something wooper (and others) can note after the game, to the best of my knowledge I exited my scumrange earlier today. I think around 436.

It is interesting that you view your scummiest post as the exit of your scumrange.
If that is actually how you exit your scumrange, please re-enter you scumrange, then exit again using an aperture that is not shaped like a logical fallacy, because I'm not going to notice your exit the other way.

could you like talk to me about where that post is wolfy

[Wooper]

pops I understand you are stating reads this game but I see nearly no trajectory and really don't understand how to parse them if you're town

[Wooper]

I think like every post you've made on this page looks like it's trying to accomplish something very specific

I don't think I believe that you scumread me
I find your discomfort with SS really intangible given you also think there was one scum in that dialogue apparently?
I think your criticism of STRQ really hits a lot of moot points? I think there's a lot of reasons to scumread their dayplay but you wanting Krazzy to be scum because he's bot hard townreading you while also being a non-factor has me a bit lost

[Wooper]

I don't think mafia is at all fun in most games outside of a hydra

-Summer

I don't think mafia is at all fun except when I'm interacting with non-hydras, seems like an impasse.

Many factors are converging to make me believe there is at least one scum in {pops, wooper}. One such reason is that it's taken this long for someone to FoS me for being noncommittal, meaning scum haven't wanted to do it for some reason.

There are many possible reasons but the easiest one is that they (or at least some of them) know me too well to be able to get away with that.

This is some wow-signal moonlogic here. You feel certain that scum!pops knows where she should calibrate her tolerance for votelessness for you and your playstyle, and knows you know and others know, and is therefore sticking to it, but town!pops doesn't know where to calibrate it? Or would know, yet would ignore it anyway? How does pretending to sort you for not taking a stance yet when I know you would do that as either alignment accomplish anything? It's accurate to sort me by looking for actions with a collateral cost of causing my lynch, but there has to be some sort of upside. For example Looker is probably partial to lynching me by now over my text color, but there is some sort of upside, I find it pretty. Firing paranoid public cop shots at your face by stating you're scum for not taking stances doesn't have any upside so it doesn't matter how I feel about the collateral cost of getting lynched, it's just something I would never do in the first place.
I am kind of worried this is a weird perspective slip thing.

I'm somewhere on page 20 so far

post 443 from implosion makes me feel that starting off with an S_S redflip could clear implosion and provide a clear D2 heaven. There would be so little value in drawing attention to such an inherently scummy post from a partner and like not even bussing onto it or accomplishing something. I don't deduct some points I might normally deduct for reserving judgment due to the number of times I reread the post before deciding what alignment it indicated.
VOTE: S_S
Wooper is scummier but his partners don't want to bus, but feigning interest in S_S's scumpost maybe forces Wooper to.
Please let's start voting scum.

Elmo you're a treasure from heaven but please vote someone you think is mafia for hell, we can use the heaven vote to remove the hydra if you are sick of it ok? Like red Wooper -> heaven STRQ seems good.

@pops if you meant these, neither makes me want to scumread SS? I actually don't really follow what you consider scum indicative here and it kinda feels like you're bending yourself to a very specific perspective in order to see an agenda here and like tbh I find it really difficult to exist in that perspective

If this isn't fabricated I think our brains are utterly different places

This is what I meant about feeling like you're pushing a very specific agenda; this is the most lucid you've been all game and it's after more people have started posting sensible game progressing things and found you suspect

[Wooper]

Many factors are converging to make me believe there is at least one scum in {pops, wooper}. One such reason is that it's taken this long for someone to FoS me for being noncommittal, meaning scum haven't wanted to do it for some reason.

There are many possible reasons but the easiest one is that they (or at least some of them) know me too well to be able to get away with that.

Oddly I don't like this post all that much! Or at least it makes me feel things and I'm not sure how I want to classify those things.[/quot]
this post also made my stomach feel weird.

For the record, at the very least something wooper (and others) can note after the game, to the best of my knowledge I exited my scumrange earlier today. I think around 436.

It is interesting that you view your scummiest post as the exit of your scumrange.
If that is actually how you exit your scumrange, please re-enter you scumrange, then exit again using an aperture that is not shaped like a logical fallacy, because I'm not going to notice your exit the other way.

could you like talk to me about where that post is wolfy

Lynch this obvious level of dissonance or just like, heaven S_S and Wooper to at least try to speed run throwing this game, after you throw me out of it

you read the bit where I elaborated on why that post threw me for a moment right

[Wooper]

alright

[Wooper]

if I assume I'm just not wrong

wooper/Elmo town
SS/implo likely town
strq/amrun I divine the alignments of later
I wonder how many red are in pops/ame/looker lol

[Wooper]

Pick as many as you want {You can make out agendas this early? / Very polished response. / I'll take that as a no.}

Amrun, Something_Smart, Wooper

I think Looker looks really interesting depending on pops alignment because they are the only two I believeeee who have called me/ss s/s and its a take I only kinda 30% get

Did someone call me/amrun s/s at one point?

[Wooper]

this game has been as aggressive as a pancake
I very much don't feel that SS has stood out at all until the last ~24 hours

Elmo (I thinkkkkk it was her) also raised concerns about him being a lurksack and there are like nonzero people in this game familiar with SS' meta

like that's an entirely disingenuous suggestion

[Wooper]

everything you post that isn't disingenuous is AtE lol

[Wooper]

Didn't ask you to fix the gamestate. I fixed the gamestate.

there were like. 3/50 posts in your early iso that I liked. I liked your posting a little when I floated amrun/homura at first; strongly dislike your current posting

while you've been active you've been really stubborn and just pushed what you want to push. I don't have a sense of where you're at with the game and your solve is like, incredibly hard to digest

just because you're active doesn't mean you're town, and like I didn't ask you to fix the inactive gamestate. my loudest call to action was to the hydra tbh. but we're all equally responsible.

[Wooper]

back to work
gotta get that wooper bread!

[Wooper]

Implo town ya

[Wooper]

but if she did, scum would just become more powerful and they'd get stronger and stronger with each iteration!

o we're gonna be friends

[Wooper]

Hugs are available from me too pops. Take care of yourself.

[Wooper]

@Stark can you link me the profile of each of your heads?

I'm about half-way caught up.

Hard TR on Looker. I've played with her as scum and have read a couple of her town games and they are v different.

Wooper also reads differently than what I've seen of his scum play. In the game I read, he was really brownie townie hyperactive (albeit he was jester, but in a game where jester has to play like town to be lynched). Here he seems unpolished and more solve-oriented. I also like the mindset of 234 (though I disagree with the conclusion).

Homu-chan is scummy which is a tragedy because she was meant to travel back from MyLo to Hell1 to try and stop us from making stupid mistakes

but if she did, scum would just become more powerful and they'd get stronger and stronger with each iteration!

Btw Elmo, I’ve been varying things but overall well! Got married and had a baby. I hope you are well too.

Up and down. Starting to look up.

And I'm non-voting town.

Um what? Why?

This reaction to S_S's joke feels way over the top.

VOTE: Elmo

could you have a little squizzy at my towncase on Elmo and tell me if u think that stray townread on one post is more scum indicative than my spam about her positive motive + lack of agenda is town indicative rq?

Also please talk to me about town!looker
I'm really not reverent towards meta etc. at all btw so you saying 'looker doesn't look like scum!looker" matters about as much as saying "wooper's nose is blue"

[Wooper]

just fyi and because it saves a sub dialogue in like 3 posts' time
Elmo just returned. she played in a site meta which was more focused on like good integruous commonalities in play & less on individual quirks, whether for the better or the worst. so her reaction reaction to SS just straightup stating he won't vote (tEcHnIcAlLy SuB OpTiMaL pLaY!!!) is like extremely commonplace for someone who played back when Elmo did play

if u think her overrxn is like super scum indicative I'm down to talk about the rest of her iso thoo

[Wooper]

I should probably mention Amrun is the most viable wagon I'd be willing to vote.
I guess at 36 hours I should probably VOTE: Amrun
Some of the points against her were ok, it's not instinctual to want to kill the people who are townreading me but she is scummier than some people voting me or signaling they'd like to I think

this is fine :]

[Wooper]

VC 1.7.HELL

Run Like Hell

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were givin STRQ a hell1 pass imo not because they're town but because we murder their buddies first OR sort them based on their heaven1 play

ame like realistically needs to move a lot faster than they're moving so far but I'm excited for them and the elmo cwagon is kinda hard to call an agenda, lol

pops fixed her vanity wagon which I found pretty notgr8 but ok

amrun/pops competing wagons make me feel warm fuzzy feelings

[Wooper]

[Wooper]

Not sure if 580 is ironic or sincere

sincere!! my brand of irony is usually so ridiculous it like radiates irony

[Wooper]

Do you think it's scum-indicative that I stopped vanity wagoning Wooper?

I think it was kind of a necessity at that point - was it intended to look a cerraron way?

[Wooper]

@Wooper: What about Amrun, Team STRQ, Something_Smart?

What about what about them

[Wooper]

The natural people to send to heaven are those that have some combination of the qualities:

-consensus townread

-if that consensus townread is wrong, people that it's better to know now than later

-if not consensus townread, someone that we need a flip for
-we trust their reads
-they aren't someone we want to keep around to contribute to the thread more
-we think they'll be able to work with other townies in heaven

etc. It's not one thing, it's a combination of a lot of qualities.

[Wooper]

I'm like really struggling to get a read on Looker and they have cringey associatives with pops who I think is pretty decently likely to flip scum and Ame who my read on is trending downwards

can someone hold my hand thru this or smthn

[Wooper]

sorry if you are she/her looker I've seen people calling you those but there's no pronouns on your profile and I may he accidentally smooshing you with someone else in my head. lmk if you have a preference

[Wooper]

I'm very wary of that, this stuff filters through my mind regardless
I'm just seeing a lot of hard Looker townread and I'm like
all the information I've digested about him makes me think he's more likely red than green
lol

[Wooper]

@Wooper: I was asking your opinion, but that's okay. I guess you're only okay with reading me?

I think my read on all of those slots is transparent as fuck and would rather be asked some kind of advancing question on them than be asked for my read again

I'm like mobile bound and quite busy at the moment so my patience is very low

Kinda particularly vexed at being asked for an Amrun read given I've been pretty vocal about preferring to defer it

[Wooper]

VOTE: Ame
osieorb is my fav tho

[Wooper]

pops falls under pressure
pops starts playing


my wagon makes me think my reads are more likely accurate than not lol like ame/amrun/pops is 2/3

[Wooper]

VOTE: Ame
osieorb is my fav tho

aww we could have been something special </3

What is rhino? I figure it's a typo, but don't know what word to replace

rhino? not sure sorry, context?

[Wooper]

I rhino me/amrun/homura as an exact solve is like, really quiet silly at surface level

think!

[Wooper]

I kinda wanna heaven Looker then heaven Ame if green

this is a mood

VOTE: Amrun #yolo I'm not gonna have time to do this ~properly~ but I don't townread Amrun at all and irl is coming first for me for a while

[Wooper]

omg thank you! And yes I've also been playing since around '08! (I'm new to mafiascum though)

that explains a lot - welcome.

[Wooper]

hmm
I'm a filthy Australian so I'll likely be asleep for deadline

you're friends with osie.. wonder if we've met offsite. forum mafia is a small world. I also moonlight as a duckling.

I think I'm like, fairly appropriate to flip, so if this lynch falls on me I won't lose any sleep but I do think it's generally pretty bad

Elmo is pretty obvtown.
I suppose STRQ have what I'd call ~town equity~ but they're nor actually very towny so keep them under a magnifying glass

ame/implosion can work out mech stuff between them

pops is slippery this game

SS knows exactly how he looks; so does implosion I think; latter more likely town

looker is kinda like fine if his scumrange is actually tiny lol

Ame's posting last page is like, okish for a d1 pass but not super super towny. it's definitely engineered to look good and I doubt they'll disagree with that assessment. the core read is that on looker + the PoE and I think those reads are like fairly good but the looker t/read is pretty easy if the meta thing is true

glgl

[Wooper]

who can be sorted through heaven ugh

don't use it for e.g. ss

use it for town/deepwolf level slots

heavenlynching LCpL Jones/Korina hydra in the last Purgatory won the game for us. lol they were an incredibly deep wolf (utr) and without them there was some minor tvt but the game suddenly became PoEable

[Wooper]

hmm if I were scum I wouldn't be very deep
Elmo is probably actually just town
maybe answer that tomorrow

[Wooper]

I'd say maybe you if your posting continues on an upwards trajectory

[Wooper]

I've

scum

masoned with you berry recently, lovely, and you are very far from bad at scum. I knew I could get away with cheeky shit that game because you were the most likely to endgame for nearly the entire game.

[Wooper]

the scum incentive is that they're genuine arguments that are easy to make, and that you can look engaged while making because it's the kind of thing you genuinely enjoy talking about as town, and it looks nice on paper.

this is basically my concern w them rn

[Wooper]

the scum incentive is that they're genuine arguments that are easy to make, and that you can look engaged while making because it's the kind of thing you genuinely enjoy talking about as town, and it looks nice on paper.

well, "on paper and in practice" if Looker is actually town, the double heavening i posited had a deliberate order

fwiw I definitely clocked this

[Wooper]

what do you mean by "clocked this"

I like saw that as an unconditional part of what you posted

[Wooper]

I'm still awake and my shift starts in just a couple of hours :[

get some rest friend

[Wooper]

I don't see the scum incentive implo. Empirically that kind of "massive effort but like is that really the thing you should aim the massive effort at" has been NAI or TI when I've seen it (recently Asriel Dreemurr in a micro)

I mean some people just ~effort~ as either alignment and as scum they need to find some things to ~effort~ about.

^^^ scum me 101 tbh

[Wooper]

Vote Wooper

Just something about this rubs me the wrong way still in the end of this. Sorry friend.

just to be safe you may wanna go use bold tags with a colon after vote (idk how fussy dann is about such things but there isn't like any time left to wonder)

just ftr regardless of our alignments both pops and I have made movements to pocket Elmo quite recently; pops' was a bit harder and Elmo has appeared to accept it more graciously but her voting me here is another situation where she's been offered an olive branch, then booped the offerer on the nose with it.

This isn't the behaviour of someone who needs to make friends itt.

[Wooper]

I have like several Feelings about #702 and I'm not sure how I actually Feel about it

[Wooper]

I think Ame/Amrun makes more sense than I thought it did again after I originally thought it made no sense

[Wooper]

Don't think it's all that fair for me to critique given im kinda half compromising but I think Ame gets a lot easier to read from here

[Wooper]

mmmm I think amrun/ame/pops/strq has a reasonable chance of containing every scumbag

[Wooper]

You mean Ame will be easier to read in future days?

Yeah. I think I'm basically drawing your vote onto myself with this dialogue given your hard Amrun townread but :shrug:

[Wooper]

Like I kinda think they're obviously a Big Effort player and its probably fairly unlikely we can divine their alignment based on mech/meta contributions so far its probably better to look @ what they've posted later

I think as an Amrun partner they make a tonne of sense following that vote post - basically for the same reason I think I make sense as an Amfun partner - it doesn't actually try to sort Amrun but afaict it's an almost perfect bus opportunity in a setup where scum are desperately incentivised to distance like fucking crazy

[Wooper]

Amfun

Armru

[Wooper]

That's an interesting takeaway.
We could try and do STRQ. Problem is I think more than 1 scum ate just in the "people I don't want to murder on day one" pool here and of the people outside that pool there are a lot of people who I just don't want to murder.

[Wooper]

11/10 townie vote nice one krazzy

[Wooper]

why do you think I suggested that

[Wooper]

rule of thumb? because scum care who gets lynched but can't appear associated.

[Wooper]

I'm like sitting here rereading and am like, idk, Wooper seems kinda town

then in one post that read is just nuked LOL

-Q

What is the scum motivation in suggesting an eleventh hour wagon on you that would clearly never go through?

ding ding ding ding
I suggested STRQ because in this gamestate they're heavily polarised from e.g. Amrun, like SS was saying :/ for every bit of negative press Amrun is getting for just being kinda underwhelming, there is a piece of "wahhh I can't read this" or LACK of negative press STRQ are getting given their entire iso makes exactly perfect sense from a scum perspective and they're desperately trying to squirm out of needing to post rn.

It's not a lynch that's going through. It's a conversation topic.

[Wooper]

just being kinda underwhelming

if I was more awake I'd probably default this to "aggressively underwhelming" tbh

[Wooper]

uwu

qrow...

[Wooper]

I'm having a really hard time believing #731 is an actual thought that happened in order dude

[Wooper]

So I'm scum because your hydra is slightly paranoid of me despite absolutely failing to engage with me in good faith at any point and because I floated a conversation point at a high tension point in the game over Amrun who is just null as shit

[Wooper]

I will vote STRQ. Just not interested in being maj'd by deadline.

[Wooper]

VC 1.10.HELL

Burn it Down

[4] Amrun : implosion, Looker, Wooper, Ame [3] Wooper : Amrun, popsofctown, Elmo Teh AzN [1] popsofctown : Team STRQ [1] Ame : Something_Smart [0] Not Voting : With 9 in limbo, it takes 5 votes to judge. The Hell Phase I deadline is in : (expired on 2020-03-05 16:59:39) Mod Notes : ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀     ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀                             ⠀

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We could try and do STRQ.

Oh is this what you're selling at one hour from deadline?

VOTE: Wooper

-Q

Honestly, I'm down to see what happens.

VOTE: STRQ

We're at 4/4/1. If amrun pops elmo or just 3 more are down I'll flashwagon strq gladly.

[Wooper]

SC1 is my best scumgame to date by a decent margin. I had tonnes of free time and powerwolfed to victory. It was a blast. Can't wait to see where this is going.

[Wooper]

So I'm scum because your hydra is slightly paranoid of me despite absolutely failing to engage with me in good faith at any point and because I floated a conversation point at a high tension point in the game over Amrun who is just null as shit

oh okay yeah now I think this might be scum duck

this reads a lot like EoD starcraft scum duck tbh

-Q

lmfaaoo
I'm not tactically ignoring towntells from you to try and swing a clutch mislynch to keep pressure off my outed buddies here man

your slot is emphatically not towny at all

[Wooper]

Yeah there's no way to ask you to reread his iso there in an hour probably and have it make any sense

but basically when duck suddenly starts *doing a lot* right before/after deadline I get very nervous because he derailed like 3 scum lynches around deadline in that game

he manipulates deadline-hammer gamestates very effectively, so his play right here reminds me much more of that rather than his towngames which don't feel like this nearly as much imo

-Q

I rush lynches in advance of the deadline
I don't let town get apathetic/lazy then overpower them. I let town get frustrated.

[Wooper]

rrrrr

Ducky you have 50 minutes to convince me to spare you

Follow your heart Professor.
If you lynch me today hit Looker/Elmo for heaven tomorrow and STRQ hell2 always

[Wooper]

I'll be mobileposting like from here 'til deadline likely inconsistently so like I'm not geared to swing pockets, or to swing this lynch my way, regardless of my alignment. I'll be calling 'em as I sees 'em, your vote is your own.

[Wooper]

I'm here, catching up.

-Raven

Just a reminder this is Enter who I read like an open book and who has avoided producing content like the plague since I repped in : )

[Wooper]

You don't seem to be trying to live...why not?

Bit of maturity, bit of alt methodology.
Scale of 1 to 10 how much does this answer Interest you?

[Wooper]

I have x amount of time and I'm going to allocate it to my wincon.
It's day one.
I feel right in my reads.
Me being a part of late game isn't necessary to achieve my wincon; just preference ~3-4. It's a nice to have not a need to have.

If I had time to sit down and power towncase myself and insist we lynch Amrun so I'm still here later I would. As it stands I'd rather bury STRQ because they're scum.

[Wooper]

krazzy: appears at deadline to insist I'm pushing a deadline mislynch agenda off 1 post despite generally having no issue with me

Enter: despite being aware I read him like a book appears at deadline to tell me I can't read him... despite thinking I'm scum

Ank: give me time. btw I won't he playing this game.

Taly: I'm busy irl so I can't engage with you other than asking you questions which generally just prove I am not reading your posts. but I'll be back! *doesnt come back*

:THINKING:

[Wooper]

Boop

VOTE: STRQ

hard opposite alignment to STRQ imo

[Wooper]

also I'm set to be maj'd so #yolo
VOTE: STRQ

[Wooper]

SS is town btw regardless of how this goes down
Ame is the opposite of STRQ's alignment; if they're town amrun/ame is 2/2. if they're scum Ame is town and I need to reevaluate Amrun badly.

[Wooper]

VC 1.10.HELL

Burn it Down

[4] Amrun : implosion, Looker, Wooper, Ame [3] Wooper : Amrun, popsofctown, Elmo Teh AzN [1] popsofctown : Team STRQ [1] Ame : Something_Smart [0] Not Voting : With 9 in limbo, it takes 5 votes to judge. The Hell Phase I deadline is in : (expired on 2020-03-05 16:59:39) Mod Notes : ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀     ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀                             ⠀

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I maintain there is red in {amrun,pops} and I would not be surprised if that's 2 scum. regardless it's 1+.

Elmo reappearance rn would spew her from like 75-80% really hard in one direction or the other which would be a kind of blessing in night less but w/e I'll take what I can get

[Wooper]

considering wooper has already misrepped me <100 words into today, i'm surprised to see he seems to carry any weight whatsoever

ok I'm sorry and this wasn't imporrant until half an hour before deadline why exactly?

like why the fuck has your entire hydra stalled this out until the 11.5th hour?

[Wooper]

actually I can't clear Ame/STRQ fully but I think it's lower equity by a decent margin

[Wooper]

Ame is like, the only person not on my wagon who I don't townread and I'm like hardcore #teamame because they're the hero this game needs if town

[Wooper]

Man I've never had a day 1 duckling scumlynch before have I?

This is fun :3

-Q

you haven't looked very hard have u

[Wooper]

i'd really appreciate the whole "activity tell" bullshit is seen for what it is.

don't demean me like this.

I've had constant bad faith engagements with your hydra. CONSTANT. You're all bringing up moot horseshit conversation points then backing down when I call them out for what they are.

and what - you've got all these magical concerns which could've been brought up by any head any time over the last like 4-5 days but you've all epic failed to have a reasonable engagement with me because literally Enter is busy with work?

and this is an "activity tell"?

you are the only ones who think this is an activity tell and you're not reading the fucking game

[Wooper]

you haven't looked very hard have u

you got wagoned in that one normal but then you got replaced and ended up winning

unless you were on a stealth alt in some game or something

-Q

not gonna dig up my d1 scum lynches nor the times I've successfully squirmed my way out of being lynched for stupid reasons as town and successfully gotten scum lynched sorry not enough time.

[Wooper]

kinda just praying for the town in amrun/elmo/pops or for looker and implosion to log on

[Wooper]

krazy and ank both posted in the pt that you're completely disregarding genuine attempts at good faith engagements on multiple occasions

I talked with Ank about this and she asked for a ceasefire d1 before saying she wouldn't be playing this anymore. Re-entry is Krazy pushing this nonsense

what magical concerns? i didn't realize deadlines were so short until now.

Which again doesn't explain why none of your heads thought your concerns were valid until sub 1hr from deadline and now bang here you both are.

[Wooper]

we should make a hydra together

call it "extrapolated bullshit"

cuz there was a fuckton of that in ur response to me

pretty sure that's just a hydra of yourself here dude

[Wooper]

Wooper feels like he's trying really hard to look like he doesn't care about things, like whether he is scumread, when he really should be caring about that stuff

[Wooper]

fml response dropped

That's not correct.
I'm not jumping up and down and calling you all morons.
I'm not towncasing myself.

I accept I'm a lynch candidate today. I'm too experienced not to accept that. I do care a lot and I am finding scum.

[Wooper]

Enter all of your posting here is getting a holistic "lol" from me.

If you're all town and your stupid hydra gimmick dynamic shit has tanked your slot this hard I think you all need to reevaluate how you approach hydras.

This isn't an activity issue. It's an issue that none of you have raised any valid conversation points with me in good faith for 4-5 days and you're now trying to bury me at deadline. The only person I've had any engagement with that wasn't explicitly bad faith from your end was Ank, who like all of you, squirmed out of the conversation.

[Wooper]

we should make a hydra together

call it "extrapolated bullshit"

cuz there was a fuckton of that in ur response to me

pretty sure that's just a hydra of yourself here dude

quote me extrapolating anything

quote me saying anything incorrect

quote me misrepping u

i've got one post that's got 2 of those from u in a single response

i could find a lot more if i had to look

can you like re-read my last 10 posts please

[Wooper]

also

u should at the very least try to stay alive

not trying to is ate and garbage. there's barely any good reason NOT to towncase urself unless you're trying to be manipulative

..............
I don't have time
I'm on a mobile I've been doing odd jobs and I'll be running late for work because of this already

I've already explained all of this

I'm using the time I DO have for my wincon
AtE can eat a dick

[Wooper]

3137 in TM sounds like exactly the thing you said you don't do

can't answer this

[Wooper]

hold on I'll verify

[Wooper]

Enter all of your posting here is getting a holistic "lol" from me.

If you're all town and your stupid hydra gimmick dynamic shit has tanked your slot this hard I think you all need to reevaluate how you approach hydras.

This isn't an activity issue. It's an issue that none of you have raised any valid conversation points with me in good faith for 4-5 days and you're now trying to bury me at deadline. The only person I've had any engagement with that wasn't explicitly bad faith from your end was Ank, who like all of you, squirmed out of the conversation.

I'm

not trying to bury you.
Contrary to your post,

I'm

not convinced you're scum. I had a bunch of stuff pop up this week and it's been surprisingly busy, but you've played scum w/ me before on multiple occasions and my activity doesn't drop just because I'm scum. I'm scared but I engage because the excitement is the reason to keep going. I feel frustrated and angry that you're trying to present me as something else because I think we both know that's not me.

spams abt how uber scummy I an
isn't convinced I'm scum

I would ask if people are seeing this but I am actively aware they aren't

[Wooper]

3137 in TM sounds like exactly the thing you said you don't do

can't answer this

qft

[Wooper]

fuck these deadlines

scum

[Wooper]

like he can't win this discussion so fuck these deadlines wrow

[Wooper]

I'll hammer Am if we switch back if the hydra will keep actually playing d2.

[Wooper]

is there a universe we're both town?
It's ugly
but yes

[Wooper]

I still want it dead d1 if I can have it but being able to sort it + an amrun flip = profit

[Wooper]

Ame towny pop-ins btw

[Wooper]

I know deadline is soon - popping in - appears wooper is wagon - yay

uh

yea nvm amrun is a wolf

[Wooper]

Ame probably NOT with amrun because like the same idea of just killing amrun occurred to me around the same time lol

amrun w
kill/sort strq
pops w
elmo scum equity + for wagon imo
ss town
implo ttooowwwnnn still probably
Looker probably town for meta I don't give a shit about meta so check this for me

[Wooper]

is there a universe we're both town?
It's ugly
but yes

It's called "ame is scum"

I was thinking it's "SS or Elmo is scum or ame/amrun is 2/2" except I don't think Ame's pop-ins really come from an Amrun partner

[Wooper]

like he can't win this discussion so fuck these deadlines wrow

lol

ur the guy that threatens to cut off his own arm and then says you won against someone else when you go through with it

u didn't win shit

u won't win shit

u aren't even close

you're being plastic
your aggressiveness is fake
you have nothing to stand on but the tiny things that you can pull together to try and tell people that because they walked across a black cat they're gonna have a bad day
there is no relationship between what little substance there is to your support for your argument and the argument you try to make
you seem to think i'm panicking for any reason other than the fact that you're about to die
you're combative and refusing to work with me in even the slightest wa

I sincerely don't understand this post, please pipe down and let the grownups talk about what to do after I'm mislynched

[Wooper]

VOTE: Amrun #yolo again

[Wooper]

wooper u say you can have an actual conversation w/ me

let's fucking sort it day 2 and u actually not be a combative asshole this time

let's try again and you don't be a useless lurksack

[Wooper]

This is how Enter and I process our feelings don't hate

[Wooper]

gonna put your money where your mouth is qt