Large Normal 232—Sibyl's Elegy [GAME OVER]

[Kerset]

VOTE: Dunnstral
Pls give me some kind of funny reaction. Otherwise i will never vote you again.

[Kerset]

I guess I'm 6 years old today? Wow.

and we prepared surprise party for you!
*confetti*

[Kerset]

Greetings from the grand parking lot known as interstate 294 just north of Chicago in the beautiful state of Illinois everyone.

I am your host 45 minute commute to work man.

Today our topic will be why RVS is terrible and we should definitely get out of it as soon as possible.

Joining me today is the ghost of scum games past. Say hi to everyone Mr Ghost.

I know a few of you and a few of you know me but the rest of you are in for either a treat or absolute hell or both at the same time if you swing that way.

I've been banging on the glass doors yelling at bulge to let me in and then of course he opens the thread when I'm asleep on a work night.

Hey RVS is not just about voting randomly! It is an art like this one. A state of mind which you actually enjoyed!

[Kerset]

What leader? Everyone knows i should be one.

A leader, who joins a wagon instead of creating it?

[Kerset]

The best tactic would be to delete DrippingGoofball. It rolled scum and is too afraid to post. It knows that mastermind like me finds alignments, of anyone who makes 169th post.

[Kerset]

crap i though that two people townread me but it was just an altslip

[Kerset]

crap i though that two people townread me but it was just an altslip

Don't worry my townreads are on sale to the highest bidder.


Whatcha got?

Nothing really but you got no other bidders bc i am an yandere.

[Kerset]

wow anya ISO contains 4 posts with 3 votes
i wish i could meta-read this...

[Kerset]

There is nothing to back this up but I feel that Ayna has no idea what to do as scum here. She just throws votes to imitate the way she think her gameplay normally looks like.

[Kerset]

There is nothing to back this up but I feel that Ayna has no idea what to do as scum here. She just throws votes to imitate the way she think her gameplay normally looks like.

Have you played with Anya before in a way that can provide more conviction to this gut? Or is this like omega gutty-gut?

just checked some prev iso

[Kerset]

Ok, let's think about this. Why would XP/Koba (hi again btw) soft their PR here? Miller there is a clear reason to claim at daystart, but I don't follow XP's logic in claiming in turns of how it helps town

Ok, let's think about this. Why would you need to figure this out? Its not like role fishing benefits town, usually townies wants to avoid PR-indicative taunts.

[Kerset]

the reason was to either bluff having a role or crumb it, all you can do is to determine which one is it

[Kerset]

wow anya ISO contains 4 posts with 3 votes
i wish i could meta-read this...

do you have proof of this? trying to scare me off your trail?

VOTE: Kerset

Indeed! I do have a proof!

TAKE THIS

Spoiler: proof

It is a record of your ISO, which shows 4 posts. There are also 3 votes included in there.

thb you also didn't know what to do in response

[Kerset]

am willing to bet that Marky Mark would have waited until the town in this list had posted to ensure there was not an ACTUAL miller claim, or Marky Marky is scum with exactly this list, which, uh... yeah probably not.

sounds reasonable

[Kerset]

You came late and full focus on mechtalk?
VOTE: NDMath

[Kerset]

Why people bully T3. Is it a meme?

[Kerset]

Etine if you start attacking T3, people will townread you

[Kerset]

Etine are you an alt or newbie?

[Kerset]

sorry i missed it

[Kerset]

Zzzzz. Let's hammer Kitty today.

VOTE: KittyTacky

It sounds even less convincing that your RVS. Cmon we are on 15th page.

[Kerset]

marky town

Hard town: Marky Mark,

Is it because of his claim? The amount of TRs he gets looks concerning.

[Kerset]

Nero would be a fine town leader, if he would have more then one read.

[Kerset]

Etine if you start attacking T3, people will townread you

Bad post. It's almost like Kerset had nothing good to say here so <insert town joke here> but didn't even realize the joke would fall flat. (Etine having already pushed T3). Unless the joke is somehow that he got in trouble for attacking T3 already? Point being, feels like scum trying to be sarcastic town.

You didn't get it. Etine was being suspected, because instead of attacking his main SR (T3) he focused entirely on self-defense. You can't get town points, if you keep talking about yourself - people give you them for investigation. The fact how much was he self-aware about it, was quite relevant there.

[Kerset]

To see whenever he is self-aware about his situation. I don't find him scummy - he is just awkward.

[Kerset]

You dont find Etine scummy, you help him openly, but "Nero would be a fine town leader, if he would have more then one read.". Nero is attacking Etine. So it is rather contradictory.

You overthink it. TL is about TR popularity (recent readlists), trustworthiness and charisma. As i said, the only thing he lacks are other reads.

[Kerset]

why would you claim not just a power role, not just a doctor, but a doctor variant that is particularly bad to claim @ 6/11 votes?

not only that but you were being read as mafia by a decent chunk of the game at this point, which is perfect for your role since it massively reduces the chance of you being the nk and lets you act freely

I mean you're basically expecting us to believe you vanillaized yourself d1 because you got mad which, while not impossible, is a lot to ask

Yea it makes little sense, however it makes even less sense for mafia. Desperate player would seek assistance in PT (daytalk is on).

[Kerset]

Please cop check Cabd and Nero Cain, one of them is scum maybe even both??

Idk about T3 anymore..

What about vasex?

[Kerset]

I haven't been here for a while so here is beautiful a rainbow in return

Kerset
Marky Mark
Nero Cain

Dunnstral
Etine

WindowsXP
[DeathNote]
Save The Dragons

[deep-city-lights]
Cabd
[Artemiana]
[Andresvmb]

Rathe
samantha97
[DrippingGoofball]

T3
Vasex

Enchant
KittyTacky

[NDMath]
Anya

People with critically low post count are in brackets.

[Kerset]

vasex u got prior mafia experience? i can like really feel it - like i legit would like nom u for rising star for just your play this far regardless of your alignment you're playing dominantly and very cool

He got a lot of experience from russian forums.

[Kerset]

I guess i should join something VOTE: Kitty

[Kerset]

Spoiler:

I haven't been here for a while so here is beautiful a rainbow in return

Kerset
Marky Mark
Nero Cain

Dunnstral
Etine

WindowsXP
[DeathNote]
Save The Dragons

[deep-city-lights]
Cabd
[Artemiana]
[Andresvmb]

Rathe
samantha97
[DrippingGoofball]

T3
Vasex

Enchant
KittyTacky

[NDMath]
Anya

People with critically low post count are in brackets.

why is vasex so low for you?

He is very opportunistic and his posts feel more forced compared to newbie 2055.

[Kerset]

Spoiler:

Please cop check Cabd and Nero Cain, one of them is scum maybe even both??

Idk about T3 anymore..

If Etine is a scum, this reminds me usual mafia actions when mafia is pretty sure that it will be dead soon, the role will become known, and this is the start of bluffing/distancing to make his patrners not suspicious, to shadow some townies like possible partners (t3?), etc.

Nevertheless, we always can hang Kitty.

I can imagine that Etine as townie might had bad morning and was just too nervous of my vote calculation, so decided to fight with much noise. Somewhere i was the line, the boiling point after "all these votes". But maybe I have too good imagination)

Definitely not defending slots

I disagree. Defending slots oftenly is mafia thing in the first day:
- if both are mafia = defending the partner, rather risky in open-dead-role-game;
- if only the defender is mafia = Player knows the sides of the other players (mafia definitely knows who are townies and who are mafia), player can be pocketing someone, saying that this is a townie, defending him.
- and also they can be both townies or the defender is just mistaking, defending a scum...

but there is no sense to say, that strange unexplained defending cannot be mafia thing

Marky, etine, vasex, ???, ???

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.. this is also very BOLD defending of Kitty

So Artemiana, are you really a mafia scum with Kitty?

You really want to elim anybody of these three today, this is your plan:
1) Mark right now is voting Kitty, and this summons you in the thread
2) Etine, probable PR or just a townie, that has more votes, than Kitty (and you are hoping that your top-townie Nero will finish Etine; you are adding oil to that idea, ignoring his pr claim)
3) me, who attacks Kitty and has more votes, than Kitty

you are also have much thinking about prs, you also have bad argument about defending slots...

Well well well. So what?

Kitty, Artemiana, Andresvmb, ???, ???

And you are so sure about 5 bodies
Nice

artemania is my new townread.

I wanted to say smth likethat and was preparing the post about "Marky, etine, vasex, ???, ??? --- this doesnt look like a mafia plan"...but then i realised that it DOES look like a mafia plan and nothing else. Because for a townie this list of players is too random and rather stupid (etine and me together? She doesnt think much about that), but if to look at that as on defending the partner Kitty (who is top3 on the voting after etine and me, and with a vote of Mark in Kitty), tge puzzle is almost finished, every thing fits well. While reading people I always ask a question "why does they do that? What the porpose?". And in Artemiana's case the porpose is very clear.

If I'm not mistaking, Andre is the only one, who consider Cabd is townie. And he did it very early.

And Cabd doesn't townread Andre. So Andre has more chances to be scummy than Cabd. And Andre was also among defenders of Kitty.
So to elim today Kitty or Andre seems a good plan.

VOTE: Andresvmb

I think that #550 was the one that initiated this idea. It feels like vase would be stretching logic to match his goals.

[Kerset]

Why Anya is so low?

she just makes random votes with no conviction,
In how many of this did she believe to pursue scum?

Spoiler:

i will sheep kerset no questions asked as requested sorry for the delay kerset

VOTE: ndmath

VOTE: Etine

going off my previous reasoning i think he's likely town so i'd like to verify that and then go from there if i can see i'm on the right path for solving

quick to come to their defense aren't you

VOTE: T3

i have a mechanics question for you: how many wolves are usually in a neighbourhood of 4?

Anya, your Framer claim is joke or...?

no? quite interesting to me that you doubt it

VOTE: Enchant

any townread is a good scumread is my motto

my thinking right now is that you're probably town but if i vote you out i can verify that and see if i'm on the right track this game and also see information around your death

VOTE: Etine

wow anya ISO contains 4 posts with 3 votes
i wish i could meta-read this...

do you have proof of this? trying to scare me off your trail?

VOTE: Kerset

Indeed! I do have a proof!

TAKE THIS

thb you also didn't know what to do in response

ok you win this one you convinced me on your dunnstral case VOTE: Dunnstral

wow anya ISO contains 4 posts with 3 votes
i wish i could meta-read this...

do you have proof of this? trying to scare me off your trail?

VOTE: Kerset

VOTE: Windows

i'll fry your hard drive with ubuntu

VOTE: T3

already complaining about being caught early in the pit fall

we should throw in the cement

[Kerset]

Come to think of it Kitty might be even worse as she always just votes the biggest wagon competing with theirs. It can only be explained by survival instincts.

[Kerset]

The main factor when i win my scum games is rushed elims.

which head said that?

[Kerset]

The main factor when i win my scum games is rushed elims.

which head said that?

whos the scumteam though if kitty flips scum tho vasex? you avoided my question

hey you avoided mine as well!

[Kerset]

Its not a joke, i am seriously going to check your game history

[Kerset]

Well even if i not Unvoted, no one probably would hammered.

then vote it back

[Kerset]

Etine, Andresvmb, Rathe, NDMath, Kerset, Cabd, deep-city-lights, WindowsXP, Save The Dragons, Nero Cain

Is anybody of you ready to vote Kitty?
Maybe not roght now but later this day?

lets hammer him

hmm fine, i dont like long phases anyway

VOTE: Kitty

[Kerset]

so what was it? cop or scum?

[Kerset]

hmm maybe you didn't fake reaction, sound beliveable
UNVOTE:

[Kerset]

Vig on Vasex.

Why out of all people did you pick him?

[Kerset]

Latergame scum has to choose to either kill
-Power role (prioritizing protectives, bc they cover better options)
-Confirmed people (bc they win lylo)

If you confirm protective power, then you basically help scum by narrowing this down...

[Kerset]

[

he even keeps silence now
the cop my ass

VOTE: Kitty

Ever heard of going AFK?

VOTE: Vasex this is scum trying to kill a PR and get away with it.

So you went AFK and coincidentally came back exactly minute after being called out?

[Kerset]

kerset out of all ur low reddish reads y u only vote for kitty but not like anya or ndmath

You came late and full focus on mechtalk?
VOTE: NDMath

[Kerset]

u didnt really talk about anybody so don’t understand 712

???

like in 432 u were concerned about marky mark getting townreads but he is ur strongest townread in ur list y

Mark got his #2 spot mechanically thanks to his claim. As you see in

marky town

Hard town: Marky Mark,

Is it because of his claim? The amount of TRs he gets looks concerning.

I asked people whenever they put mark there, because of his claim(like i just did) or not(which would be the "concerning" thing).

u voting for ndmath was kinda weird cuz u didnt say anything to him rly

weird? ok... my methods are weird then

then u just voted for kitty cuz of ur list

yea....

u didn’t say anything about him either

anything? what about

Come to think of it Kitty might be even worse as she always just votes the biggest wagon competing with theirs. It can only be explained by survival instincts.

[Kerset]

I hoped that Cab return would be by any degree informative but *sigh*

[Kerset]

You know what. If you people insist that there is some kind of kitty-enchant conspiracy then lets kill enchant. I didn't like his posting anyway.
VOTE: Enchant

[Kerset]

You know, it legit looks like one

[Kerset]

1. Traitors are usually equipped with bulletproof to avoid swing.
2. Traitor knows scum identity but scum doesn't know traitor, so crumbing is necessary.

[Kerset]

Give it a try. At least we won't get another unnecessary claim.
VOTE: T3

[Kerset]

i roleblocked kitty but nothing happened? i'm confused

wtf is that post?

[Kerset]

By the way we cannot even give the exact aim to the Kitty,because mafia can shoot this target (or just make a lie, that the check was in the dead body).

Why not? Make him target deep-city-lights or whatever. Its not like scum would be happy to use their kill on a lurker.

[Kerset]

could enchant just be scum here? like this whole "he's a claimed bp, git him!" like there's a lot of scum motivation in wanting to get a bp out of the way. And the "he's unlikely to be town bp!" is just kinda slimy. Also I don't have to be on a wagon with DGB and Andre!

VOTE: enchant

but it is not enchant, who started this. It was Windows & myself.

[Kerset]

Can we decide whenever we leash Kitty or not? I think that we are near the end of this day.

[Kerset]

Vasex in nutshell:

[Kerset]

Cabd, lets go make a huge train here

VOTE: Artemiana

And if there are so many doubts about Kitty/Etine/Enchant/Cabd/T3 and others, lets hang a player who play less than the others, so even if she is a town we lose nothing important, it won't be hard(hurt)

and then they are going to claim 3-shot cop....

[Kerset]

bp-"traitor" changes his claim to a cop
is this not too dangerous for the traitor? to bite the bullet at himself, not in some townie...

huh, i know that thing, that it is convinient for mafia to claim like pr in dangerous situations, especially when they almost have no choice.
i know that easy to believe that fake, because pr often acts like a mafia for townies, having a big important role and afraid to lose it.
but i dont believe kitty now.
i dont believe any of his words.

[Kerset]

T3 knew that he is going to be hanged, so he claimed this to get Cop eliminated instead. It is totally worth it.

Just look T3 progression. He first accused Kitty&Enchant and THEN he heard about kitty claim. Exacly after Kitty claim he didn't intensify his push, he disappeared for some time and claimed later.

I recommend reading https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

[Kerset]

If you was a cop would you instantly contrclaimed against mafia Kitty? Think about it. Before the first night!

I would never CC cop in large game. Especially shot based, as there can be more then one per game.

[Kerset]

If you was a cop would you instantly contrclaimed against mafia Kitty? Think about it. Before the first night!

I would never CC cop in large game. Especially shot based, as there can be more then one per game.

Actually it never happened before, so maybe there can't be two cops.

[Kerset]

First we voted Etine. We got their role and let them go.
Then we voted Kitty. We got their role and let them go.
Then we voted T3. We got their role and let them go.


I dont like the idea of completely new wagon.

[Kerset]

It is something that i can compromise on.

[Kerset]

I can easy believe that she is a scum and lied about everything.
Dcl had v/la till... today? Whats the problem?
Nd maybe scum, though he talks more about the game.

so if Artemiana had VLA'd it would have be acceptable for you her absence but because she said she lost her password to the account that's something you find fishy?

What is the scum motivation to lie about inactivity over the first several days?

I just checked and alts use the some email as main account. Pass recovery takes 5 minutes.
People, which are bad at scum always just lay low. It is also true that people, who lie usually feel need to make up lame excuses, bc they feel guilty.

Vasex accusations are meh but Ana rebuttal is even worse.

[Kerset]

we should be picking on of arte/ana DGB or CABD to lych

lol? You want to pick people with no associations or content. You flip then and gain 0 knowledge, this is not how you play this game. I would rather just lych deep city lights and simply skip the day.

[Kerset]

Enchant is great example of informative elimination. Even if his scum equity isn't top-tier, his flip is getting us closer to the solve. There are a lot of movements defending/attacking him which could be town/scum driven and we might be able to use it on later days to determine associations.

[Kerset]

DCL was sarcasm

[Kerset]

what do u think of DGB leaving the t3 wagon to vanity vote artemania?

That he likes mechanical solves and barely cares about this game.

[Kerset]

I don't particularly like Vasex because I think he moves from vote to vote without conviction - it feels like he is hunting for who is easy to push out - he has a loud voice.

thats good observation

I'll agree with you on the premise that Vasex really doesn't care. The way he doesn't is quite pompous though! I also agree that his pushes are not very coherent. Especially that a lottt of the way he treats other players seems only to fill his personal goals.

thats why i find his posts forced

[Kerset]

bc T4 was a wagon and going to be executed without a claim...

*Kitty gets to E-1 but is given chance to claim*
T3: OMG i won't have a chance to claim before they execute me! I need to claim now!

[Kerset]

so im waiting for an opportunity to hammer anybody who has 10 votes

Sorry you will need to wait untill
The deadline for Day 1 is Thursday, May 6 at 3:00 am EDT/7 GMT. You have (expired on 2021-05-06 03:00:00).

[Kerset]

VOTE: cabd

VOTE: anastasia

you ignored my questions is my internet not working?

VOTE: cabd

VOTE: samantha

Kitty, are you ready to vote Andre?

Yeah on a re-reading he is up there with Enchant, Cabd, et cetera.

VOTE: Andres

DGB vs Vasex reads strongly as TVT.

It feels like we would be in RVS

[Kerset]

Being useless is not a scum longterm tactic. He wants to be in that way even, at risk of being called out. Scum cab would get scared that his passive gameplay fails to work and react in different way then this. Its town.

[Kerset]

hm? Cabd, have i played with your alt?

[Kerset]

BoP is a fallacy read.

[Kerset]

Ana you should remove bias from your judges. First Vasex then Cabd. You just happen to find the most scummy people, who accuse you.

[Kerset]

AnastasiaxVasex is so fun to watch

[Kerset]

Spoiler:

This is an example of a reaction test I ran on him:

Also the symmetric nature of your "read-wall" feels fake.

4-4-4-6-2 feels like something you planned out to look pretty rather than how you actually feel about each slot.

I could probably pick out your entire scum team just based on how fake your reads are.

I should do that.

Please do, would be happy to see your results!

As you can see, I called his readslist fake and boasted that I could pick out his entire scum team just based on how fake his reads were.

His reaction to it was one of

amusement

That is not a town!POV reaction.

A scum who has generated a fake!readlist and put careful touches on how he hid his team would be amused and interested to see if I could actually nail all of them - he thinks I will miss and be completely off base; the odds are quite low I could nail all of his team.

A town!POV does not have this reaction because that readlist is something

real

to them,

A town!POV believes that I am

scum

and attacking them based on nothing.


Note the timestamp: Reaction Test/Reaction Post from him were both posted at 8:46 - within one minute. This is why you do reaction test baiting in real time against scum - when they do not have time to generate a Town!POV they slip and just let their true feeling show.

Scum!him was amused to see me attempt to "solve" his fake readslist - he let his true reaction slip through.

You would need huge meta knowledge to determine something like this. It sounds like typical confirmation bias. You just want to think that he is scum.
The truth is that he wasn't "really" amused. It is the same reaction that you would give to flat earth believer, when you know that arguing with them is futile. The idea of 'finding entire scumteam' is as ridiculous as conspiracy theory. It makes no sense to argue it for real.

[Kerset]

bc you are too lazy to read the most recent events and this is something you have arguments to support

[Kerset]

One thing that really bothers me, is the counterwagon. Lets say that cabd is scum. What are his teammates doing? Pushing Ana? They all bus? They stay afk? Is Vasex yelling in scumPT, POMOSH POMOSH POMOSH, i can't solo carry.

[Kerset]

No one listens to me so i will pick by myself.

Kitty targets Anya
T3 targets samantha97

[Kerset]

Who do you offer instead?

[Kerset]

Fair enough

Kitty targets Anya
T3 targets Andresvmb

[Kerset]

No one listens to me so i will pick by myself.

Kitty targets Anya
T3 targets samantha97

Was this post meant for your scum PT?

This is cop leash.

[Kerset]

see now? cabd is town

[Kerset]

Someone asked why cant we have cops target the same person > there might be evil alien/rolestopper. It would decrease information gathered

[Kerset]

enchant, did u believe he is hammered?

i got fooled but first i saw topic being locked and then read what was happening

[Kerset]

VOTE: Enchant
Maybe we go here? He keeps posting information instead of analysis. Also i have a feeling that his activity is based on scum being pushed. During Kitty-T3 drama Enchant was pretty active and you know what? He was playing two games at the same time. During Cabd saga, enchant second game ended. Logically he should have more time to spare. Instead he gave up on reading the game, just like he would lose purpose in it. My theory is that back in Kitty-T3 he was active in order to protect his partner but now when townie is being wagoned, he just feels no need to intervene.

[Kerset]

Have you noticed that mod is not looking for replacement for death note? Thats confusing situation.

[Kerset]

are you schizophrenic?

[Kerset]

are you schizophrenic?

No. And you?

Honestly, if game turned about insulting me, just kill me and move along.

it was to A50

[Kerset]

Its cool how windows just override my call instead of consulting it with me. Good way to make me annoyed.

[Kerset]

{DeathNote, SaveTheDragons, Nero Cain, Samantha}. I really do think there’s multiple Scum in that group. One of T3/Kitty is always Scum this much is true. Marky Mark has pinged me a lot but I don’t know I don’t think I can figure out the entire Team.

Etine, Rathe, and DGB actually struck me as Town, particularly the first two. WindowsXP is probably Town? Not sure there. NDMath and Kerset have given me positive vibes. I need to read Cabd more carefully, but based on the claim and the early play, I do think they’re Town. I’ll silently keep reading and if you want to figure out where I’m coming from ask directly.

For some reason your reads are unaffected by people activity. Are you honest?

[Kerset]

Cabd [] - deep-city-lights, Nero Cain, samantha97, Anastasia, NDMath, Save The Dragons,
Enchant [] - T3, Kerset,
Anastasia [] - Anya, Cabd
Andresvmb [] - Dunnstral, Etine, Vasex
T3 [] - Rathe, KittyTacky,
NDMath [] - Marky Mark
Etine [] -
deep-city-lights [] - DrippingGoofball
Vasex [] -WindowsXP, Enchant
Nero [] - Andresvmb,

Not voting - Almost50,

[Kerset]

[Kerset]

but never happened so far

[Kerset]

A quick look at the last 5 large normals finds:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84936 -> 2 trackers
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83940 -> 2 gunsmiths

so clearly duplicate PRs can be a thing, although they weren't cop roles in those cases

Cop is more OP

[Kerset]

like my first reaction was that Kerset is blatantly lying but it's a 2013 join date so maybe he could have just never been in a game with multiple cops.

Check the archive: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=37208

[Kerset]

Why would mafia have a cop?

to find traitor

[Kerset]

It nice Adre that you say all of this 5 days later, not when I needed more supporters to get T3 voted out.

[Kerset]

At the moment i am open for all of {Enchant, Vasex, T3} but i am pretty sure that Enchant is the only one of them that can be realistically eliminated.

[Kerset]

ok maybe VOTE: Vasex can happen

[Kerset]

btw Goofbal can you start being useful? You are not helping town

[Kerset]

Ana must feel so relieved. While some people don't care about their personal conflicts after sleep break, she is kind of person that would torture their enemy in her basement after mounts of planning.

[Kerset]

scum nero would pocket people

[Kerset]

scum nero would pocket people

That’s all you have? You don’t think they’ve been encouraging every garbage push by Vasex? Or diverting attention away from T3 at the most convenient times? And has put down multiple convenient / garbage votes? Am I like insane here?

He was consistent and independent thought is a town tell.

[Kerset]

could enchant just be scum here? like this whole "he's a claimed bp, git him!" like there's a lot of scum motivation in wanting to get a bp out of the way. And the "he's unlikely to be town bp!" is just kinda slimy. Also I don't have to be on a wagon with DGB and Andre!

VOTE: enchant

Also I don't have to be on a wagon with DGB and Andre!

or we could help DGB bus

funny

my point was that DGB left a viable t3 wagon to vanity vote. From my POV that looks like scum that doesn't want to be on a ml.

Right? I wanted to vote scum. Deal with it.

I mean I agree with you that arte/ana are scum but I don't think you are town either. Like you left the T3 wagon b/c? arte was scum? sure so does that mean you started to town read t3? why didn'y you use your words? FMPOV it looks like you are just scum that got caught with thier hand in the cookie jar.

OK, I'm reading through and like

Marky is scum.

I might as well give up with this account at this point

^This activity and repout is practically a meta scumclaim from Mara btw.

maybe listen to the scumbuddy here?

we should be picking on of arte/ana DGB or CABD to lych

here's the thing, and I was scum reading arte b4 the cabd/ana blowup but if scum is going down (cabd) this could just be distancing from a buddy so...

god u r so scummy

[Kerset]

VOTE: Vasex

Its fine T3! Just follow his lead then.

[Kerset]

Checking DGB.

what if he is killed?

Yall told me to check him. If I check someone else I get hanged.

Though that will likely happen anyways.

Never tell in these games where you are going to go at night.
Is the first game didnt teach you about that?
There blocker said, that he will block me, and mafia skipped the shot then, to make everybody believe that i was blocked mafia with a gun, not vt...
So they can use this knowledge now again, if they are sure where you are going. They can shoot your target at least or do smth else. And your targetcan be prepared what to say if it is checked...
Be more unpredictable

You are wrong. Your statements only work under assumption that Kitty is conf!town. As suspect he should cooperate with town to prove their innocence.

[Kerset]

I have a problem with kerset in that they assume that a traitor is in the game because T3 claimed bulletproof initially,

and they also think a mafia cop is possible because there's a traitor.

But which one is it? T3 can't be both a traitor and a mafia cop. There's a lack of critical thinking here and it's concerning.

Andres play in this game still feels different from what I've seen town him do, even though they've jumped into the game

Bolded one isn't really true, someone asked why would mafia get a cop, so i answered based on theory. I see no reason to think that mafia got a cop at all, its not like D1 rolecop checked them.

[Kerset]

Idk what andres/anya are doing but those are 2 strong players as town. However after having mislimmed nero in my last game with them I'd like to give them breathing room since clearly they do not do well with pressure.

You didn't seem to defend andres, when he got votes.

[Kerset]

I thought vasex claimed scum with the self vote.

i should be the towniest player with 5 hundred of messages per day.
if people dont believe me (and mathematically there are townies among people who vote me), these people either have some problems with reading the other players because of huge lack of experience maybe, or i was doing smth very wrong (and most of voters are against t3)... and your most strange and rather unexpactable vote to me after hard townreading is a good answer to this question, good clue.
if this is just your stupid mistake for the cop, well you deserve to pay for it. i've never seen a cop who betrays his hard town so fast, unbelievable. they need all possible support, especially in your situation, they should be afraid to elim townie. you lied about smth - about your role, or about townreading me hard. you easy found a reason to vote me, with having some fun, joking and absolutely relaxed about that. i dont believe your reaction in #2375

btw please remind your role, what is it? could you claim that again in loud? you was avoiding this discussion, for example about 2-nights and 2-shots

1. Post volume != towniness

2. Trying to suggest that people voting you are mistaken and its due to a lack of experience is a slimy way of undermining those slots

3. I've said this before elsewhere but mid-late D1 you've set stuff that has repeatedly stretched or bent the truth, which just doesn't seem to be coming from a place of town:

-The defence of T3 for pushing Enchant over Kitty (eg 1125/1126) and insinuating that the Kitty wagon was clearly not viable by that point, when in reality a single player had unvoted (Dunn)

-The whole false bravado in 1281 of asking whether it was possible to elim both Kitty/T3, while making it clear that he did not want a T3 elim. Why not just elim Kitty first?

-2196 calling kitty out for agreeing to investigate someone that they were not SRing, when it was clearly because town had asked them to do it as a leash

-Implying in 2312 that you voted Cabd and loudly called for his elim to make people *not* want to elim him

4. Votes basically everyone, just like he would have no townreads/scumreads on his own. At this point he even turned back at the only person that he avoided - T3.

[Kerset]

I wrote solid reasons why any cop shouldnt be predictable, you cannot argue with clear logic and statistics of different mess, caused by telling targets loud.

You wrote 'reasons why any cop shouldnt be predictable' which as i said work only under assumption that cop is conf!town. If you find this ridiculous, i can link you random games, where we leashed roles.

[Kerset]

I suspect cabd, vasex, ndmath

I like Etine, STD, DGB,

T3, Kitty,

DGB, Marky Mark

There are probably some others I forget, I will add for you later

Rly? Both cop claims are your townreads? They are like the most scummy players individually and never town together bc of claim.

[Kerset]

yeah Anastasia's reads depend heavily on how they're viewing her

she seems competent and smart so it's less likely she's town who just thinks anyone who suspects her is suspicious and more like wolf making calculated plays that are beneficial to her group project

will you marry me?
even if you are mafia

Ana you should remove bias from your judges. First Vasex then Cabd. You just happen to find the most scummy people, who accuse you.

[Kerset]

You are wrong again.

There are two claimed cops.
You think that t3 is scum.
So kitty should have more chances to be true for you. So you are trying to manipulate the true cop from your pov, explaining it that u want to check him.

It maybe works only if you consider both cops are fake.

More seems to me that you are afraid that he check someone else.

Btw there was post about you from Dunn, have you already answered that?

I asked entire town to leash cops. I am not egocentric to claim that only T3 should be leashed, bc of my the best intuition

Truth to be said there is a chance for both cops to be scum. For example Kitty might be just unlucky SK. I find both of them individually scummy.

In the end it is windows, who picked targers

yea 2593

[Kerset]

Things that can go wrong A: Mafia kills cop target (they can just kill the cop), target is rolestopped, target is aliened, cop is roleblocked(it may happen regardless of leash), Cop is killed (also regardless),
Things that can go wrong B: Vig kills the target, Watcher fails to confirm cop, Motion det has to check cop rather then his target, target is aliened, target commuted, babysitter kills target, cop is roleblocked(it may happen regardless of leash), Cop is killed (also regardless) and the most likely: cop is scum and picks target based on the most convenient scenario

[Kerset]

VOTE: Vasex

Its fine T3! Just follow his lead then.

There is no any reaction from you on the actions of T3 after that post. What do you think about that?

Is Vasex more scummy for you after these T3 actions?

He is claimed cop, hard townreading Vasex. And he easily votes me after your post. And like he didnt see my vote.

Looks like scum trying to distance at the last opportunity.

[Kerset]

and if he is not?
who is scummier? can u figure out that?

If he have to assume that you can't be scum together then

Option A:

Vasex was a townread.
I see the self vote.
I think it is a scumclaim.
It's not a scumclaim.

He was simply honest here

Option B:

He is a traitor, who just wanted an excuse to move on to the next day.

A 35% / B 65%

[Kerset]

https://www.google.ru/search?q=horoscopes
go there, i am tired of your pointless hypothetical questions

[Kerset]

T3 isn't scummy. they just have an eccentric playstyle.

tell me why T3 is scum without referencing their playstyle.

ok

ugh you know what
vote kitty
if kitty isn't scum vote me tomorrow i'm just a 1 shot bulletproof and after everyone RANDOLY scumreading it's not like mafia will ever try to kill me

traitor claim?

also according to wiki, scum team is typically informed that traitor exists.

VOTE: t3

[Kerset]

VOTE: Enchant
Can you all settle on anything or do we really need deadline to push you? Mod should set timer to 6 weeks to watch you vote each player and gain every claim on day 1.

[Kerset]

We got so many claims that we probably should ask everyone to pick either Cabd or Enchant as claimed VT. It would at least prevent another role reveals and keep non revealed PR more save.

[Kerset]

Its almost like something happened between then and now that changed the read...

Can you please read past that and tell me what you find
Do you think t3 is still traitor?

Yes. He is incapable of scumhunting here. Look at his other games.

[Kerset]

Ana you wish to think, that vasex toxicity explains enchant behavior but deal with reality. Vasex is correct here.

[Kerset]

I suspect cabd, vasex, ndmath

I like Etine, STD, DGB,

T3, Kitty,

DGB, Marky Mark

There are probably some others I forget, I will add for you later

Rly? Both cop claims are your townreads? They are like the most scummy players individually and never town together bc of claim.

Also dont ignore it

[Kerset]

this is the day that never ends
it just goes on and on my friends
some people started playing it not knowing what to do
and we continuie playing it because we can't decide what to do
this is the day that never ends
it just goes on and on my friends
some people started playing it not knowing what to do
and we continuie playing it because we can't decide what to do
this is the day that never ends
it just goes on and on my friends
some people started playing it not knowing what to do
and we continuie playing it because we can't decide what to do

[Kerset]

VOTE: T3

[Kerset]

VOTE: T3

This isnt towny.

but it will be once he flips traitor

[Kerset]

You know what
Looking for a traitor instead of scummies is mafia thing
You even dont know does he exist at all
But you know that scums definitely exist
Windows suggested the idea about traitor but votes in other direction and now thinks t3 should be town
But u love the idea of a traitor
Maybe u just want to elim a cop so much not giving him even a chance?

Use some logic. How does time passing or windows mind change the fact that T3 slipped? Those two factors are logically completely unrelated to it.

[Kerset]

Plus he is new so where do you think he got the idea to claim n1+n2? An x shot would be what id expect from noobscum traitor fakeclaim but not night specific.

He got this form his previous game, where he played N3 N4 Cop. As newbie he had no idea what to claim so he claimed they thing that he played as before.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86140

[Kerset]

Traitor doesnt have access to mafia chat

[Kerset]

Vasex [1] - Anastasia
Nero Cain [1] - Andresvmb
Anastasia [1] - Cabd

Start being useful

[Kerset]

So kerset going on about mafia cop was tmi, right?

Actually, you are the one who mentioned it first.

[Kerset]

I feel immense pain about that death.. I was gonna babysit her and then chose not to because I didn't want both of us to die!

So who did you target?

[Kerset]

VOTE: Vasex
First he pushed literally everyone beside T3. Once T3 fate was settled he made 180 and hoped to hide this fact. There was no single wagon that vasex wouldn't join, except for this one which flipped scum.

[Kerset]

VOTE: Vasex
First he pushed literally everyone beside T3. Once T3 fate was settled he made 180 and hoped to hide this fact. There was no single wagon that vasex wouldn't join, except for this one which flipped scum.

Can you show your calculations? The case against WindowsXP is compelling to me, I'd like to compare.

Its not based on calculations. It is based on my memory.

[Kerset]

I feel immense pain about that death.. I was gonna babysit her and then chose not to because I didn't want both of us to die!

So who did you target?

Bas question (regardless of your alignment). A Babysitter should not be telling in this case (where they already hinted they were using it as a protective rather than a Vig). Just my 2 cents based on having been a Babysitter recently

Better say it now then take to grave.

[Kerset]

VOTE: Vasex
First he pushed literally everyone beside T3. Once T3 fate was settled he made 180 and hoped to hide this fact. There was no single wagon that vasex wouldn't join, except for this one which flipped scum.

Can you show your calculations? The case against WindowsXP is compelling to me, I'd like to compare.

Its not based on calculations. It is based on my memory.

Show me his posts, then.

lol
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

[Kerset]

I feel immense pain about that death.. I was gonna babysit her and then chose not to because I didn't want both of us to die!

So who did you target?

Bas question (regardless of your alignment). A Babysitter should not be telling in this case (where they already hinted they were using it as a protective rather than a Vig). Just my 2 cents based on having been a Babysitter recently

Better say it now then take to grave.

Why?

Because single kill in large game is unexpected. No SK, no vig?

[Kerset]

VOTE: Vasex
First he pushed literally everyone beside T3. Once T3 fate was settled he made 180 and hoped to hide this fact. There was no single wagon that vasex wouldn't join, except for this one which flipped scum.

vasex was literally begging people to vote T3

He was begging people to vote Kitty.

I bet, that T3 is town. It is rather difficult to figure out and this is a risky bet. I read his ISO and the important moments with him. Many times, again and again, there is not so much text.
Or he is too good mafia. Too good for the first elim, i definitely against that. At least I want to play with him more time, to see what he will say after the night, if he will be alive.

That claim... This is another question. There is a possibility that it is true: unchanged willing to elim Kitty... even talking about bp - is to avoid nk maybe, if he is a cop... But like in situation with Etine - I'm not sure about this. I can think, that it can be fake, but not necessary scummy fake... This can be complicated, especially after few other claims.
All claims in this game were weird, but Kitty has the scummiest in my opinion.

So it is better to attack the team of Kitty instead of anything else (if not Kitty).

[Kerset]

Yeah, I understand t3 much, our thoughts were the same in a couple of times. I can understand his logics in moments. Im ready to protect him at least on the firtst day. He should be a town. What kind of town - this is still the question.
And if he is a scum he doesnt try to pocket me much, because after tr in the beginning i became somewhere about null for him for some time...
Enchant is much worse in his scumreading anybody, no useful info from there. Kitty too.
And we have Artemiana like almost neutral option for the first the most difficult day

I dont think that t3 didnt understand before claiming that there is almost no hope to elim kitty at that moment, othervise this is some too unexperienced thinking, t3 doesnt look so unexperienced

Cant understand why are you repeatin about wagon going nowhere in Arte. Almost nobody votes there. A wagon. Nowhere. Sounds beauty, but nonsense. Arte has some serious problems throughout the game

Im going sleep too

Honestly, i dont know much common rules and statistics of appearing two cops in one game, but if there is very big chance of 1 scum in kitty-t3, then kitty's reaction on t3 is so so bad... He likes reading wiki and played here more games than me, so he should know this possibility even better than me. But smth tells me that they are not 2 true cops, that will be weird and so unbelievable accident

T3 [6] - ..., Enchant
...
Enchant [2] - T3, ...

Yes I town read T3.

Yeah I still think he'll flip green.

So if they are both so townies for you why didn't you stop somehow this huge endless attack from T3 (who wasn't townie for you) to your almost only townie Enchant?
Other players were discussing are reasons good or bad to scumread Enchant like T3 for slipping... You kept silent the whole time, absolutely ignoring this topic (though you had voted T3, but not for long and as it seems mostly because of his new claim, not because any other reason). You called Enchant town before "slip", then T3 attacked Enchant, and now you call them both townies...
Is it normal? T3 was attacking maybe the towniest person you have in your ISO, but you like doesn't care about Enchant's problems, town's problems...
This smells like fake from your side. Fake phrase "Enchant town" - like you don't really believe it (like maybe your partner or maybe you are a scum and he is townie, so you doesnt care).

I got to this thoughts thinking could you be with T3 like partners? Because you said "Enchant townie", then T3 starting to cry with caps lock "Enchant is scum", and there is almost no reaction on that from you, like it is ok for you.

So maybe you can be partners with T3, not scumreading him and not intercepting of doing smth bad for town from your POV... And just pocketing Enchant.
Or maybe you are partners with Enchant and trying not to show it much with the defense, hoping that this storm will end soon.

Because for a townie it is rather strange not to defend your townies, in which colors you are sure enough...

sorry, typing rather fast, maybe a lot of mistakes

[Kerset]

you realize there were a LOT of posts between then and the end of the day, right?

As i said he did a 180 once T3 situation was hopless

[Kerset]

so who did you target?

[Kerset]

Kitty is not just a 1-shot cop. She is also a person openly attacked by T3, keep in mind why did T3 claim in the first place.

[Kerset]

Rathe are you and samatha friends?

[Kerset]

Thanks to this traitor paranoia, this exchange makes me uncomfortable.

i feel like T3s wagon was pretty pure do u think the same samantha

i feel like T3s wagon was pretty pure do u think the same samantha

I am going to trust your judgment

I am going to trust your judgment

but y what do u think

but y what do u think

I think you're a paragon of purity that can perceive the game differently than I can and I don't want to taint your point of view with mine in general

but odds are there's at least 1 mafia on any day-ending wagon, and if I was told to guess which I'd probably pick kerset or marky mark without really looking at them closely yet

This came out of nowhere and feels like crypto message.
Esspecially that sama earlier sheeped rathe on cabd for also mystery reason.

[Kerset]

Scums: STD, Windows, Anya, A50, DGB (?)

Replace Windows with Vasex and i had similar suspects during night. :/

[Kerset]

Let me ask you. What kind of read did you expect to receive after not voting for entire d1?

[Kerset]

So, I guess I'd request someone kindly link me the game where I played with T3 as a N 3/4 Cop to refresh my memory. THANK YOU WHOEVER YOU ARE.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86140
You are 5th on the playerlist. This link was posted after your rep and quite relevant in T3 case so...

[Kerset]

Spoiler:

Could u explain why did u choose this target? Btw i would check hum too

I was leashed. I would check Etine if I wasn't.

ok to make thsi clear,

T3 check DGB
Kitty check NDMath

these are 2 players who dont get nightkilled unless they are confirmed PR.
these are the 2 best checks to leash.

change this to T3 -> Etine, Kitty->DGB

i want scum to nightkill Etine if they are town<3

So we have options:
- windows is leasher
- or smb wants us to think that windows is leasher
- or smb just trusts windows very much and leashes like windows asked
- or kitty tells lie

I dont think that mafia is team of dumbs,so i think we can discuss it here even if leasher can be town

Though if it is true, maybe this check was better tgan to allow kitty to check etine. If etine is town, this is rather silly check, completely useless[/quote]
STD tried to change it. He wanted kitty to check Math but nobody listened.

[Kerset]

Spoiler:

Could u explain why did u choose this target? Btw i would check hum too

I was leashed. I would check Etine if I wasn't.

ok to make thsi clear,

T3 check DGB
Kitty check NDMath

these are 2 players who dont get nightkilled unless they are confirmed PR.
these are the 2 best checks to leash.

change this to T3 -> Etine, Kitty->DGB

i want scum to nightkill Etine if they are town<3

So we have options:
- windows is leasher
- or smb wants us to think that windows is leasher
- or smb just trusts windows very much and leashes like windows asked
- or kitty tells lie

I dont think that mafia is team of dumbs,so i think we can discuss it here even if leasher can be town

Though if it is true, maybe this check was better tgan to allow kitty to check etine. If etine is town, this is rather silly check, completely useless

STD tried to change it. He wanted kitty to check Math but nobody listened.

[Kerset]

as bad as ur defense of t3 was i dont think mafia would be that blatant n open to protect their partner

OMG at least one person here knows how to read wagons!

[Kerset]

if drippinggoofball didn't know t3's role then dripping couldn't be mafia, and mafia wouldn't exactly want to point that out

there's no mafia mindset behind almost50s post

Misspelling is NAI.

[Kerset]

Explain why this is compatible to you.(spoiler alert you cant)

cabd isn't hunting and he's stringing us along. He's not town. I think the t3 and cabd can't both be scum is a false dichotomy.

and what about A50 then?

[Kerset]

dgp didn't correct/comment on it

bc we were posting at 20post per minute rate.

[Kerset]

Ok now why windows is town:
Look at your previous game and check which one is typical scum behavior

A

Scum first accuse their partners and then back off once wagon on them gets serious.

B

Scum first defend their partners and then hop in once wagon on them gets serious.

Observe your previous games and you will see that B is the common case.

Also look at windows arguments, I didn't agree with them but they were reasonable. You can even see that the previous site thing was real.

[Kerset]

Blood you won't get a trophy for disagreeing with me. You biased yourself against me, after earlier disagreement.

[Kerset]

Blood you won't get a trophy for disagreeing with me. You biased yourself against me, after earlier disagreement.

i dont even scumead u i just think ur giving people town points for defending flipped mafia which is a major fallacy

I know that you don't scumread me but you don't accept my solves and i think that you deny them automatically, because you dislike me personally.

[Kerset]

According Nero case:
It is poor. You people assume that Nero is a newbie, who would push cabd and act carelessly. Nero behavior yesterday really suggest that he had no idea about T3 alignment. If he know, he would make better positioning, because h e i s n o t a n o o b. There is a chance that nero is scum and got mental nerf but it is not our best choice.

[Kerset]

vasex i am writing case on STD atm

[Kerset]

Ok this one is for people townreading STD
Look at those

Spoiler: STD about T3 and Kitty

how i feel about kitty

a play in three acts

By the way this is my first large. It's more than twice as big as a newbie and almost twice than a mini so I'm nervous.

i feel scum!kitty says this in their scum PT only.

In our previous game he has the list of scummies rather early. Is he seeking them now? I dont think so

i feel like expecting someone to solve a large game so early is a bit much to ask.

intermission please buy some damn popcorn it keeps the theatre alive

(My underlines below)

In fact this weird pushing makes me think you are scum

trying to mislynch me.

This feels awkward and over-thought. If they are scum and they are pushing you then it is inherently implicit that they are trying to miselim you. The quoted sentence reads much more naturally without the underlined bit.

Good point but explain how that is alignment-indicative.

i feel like this is just potential newbiebait rather than scumbait

*bows*

encore
i feel that vasex does get some townie cred for recent posts but his interaction with kitty is still giving me some heebie jeebies

OMG I HAVE A CAKE NEXT TO MY NAME

WORSHIP ME

by unvoting kitty and going after the real scum here, Cabd

Did you miss the part when Enchant scumslipped?

yes i don't get it

but i read his post as not particularly serious

do you think PR doesn't explain the differences in kitty's play between what you've seen before and this game?

who is not voting kitty today go back to newbie games

sick burn

im not sure how i feel about enchant but so far i dislike every case against them

they didn't scumslip and they weren't the first to talk about T3 being a traitor

if anything i'm more suspicious of T3 but i think i need to reread a bit

DGB why are you voting kitty

And tell me that this is a POV of an

active

player (not lurker), who has no idea what are the alignments of Kitty and T3. This all that he said/asked about those. Simultaneously he was pushing cabd this entire time and retained some curiosity about enchant.

He completely didn't care about alignment of the most controversial players of this game, especially T3. This is not how town player should look like. Even if you happen to be tunneled, you are still curious about things around you unless you are informed.

[Kerset]

kerset,
you should hear me: windows, andre and std are scums. 3 scums. you can be not agree with that, but this is truth. they killed Anya and tried a bit to save t3. think about it.

you should think about 3602

[Kerset]

my point was about alignment not raw role but ok, you said it

[Kerset]

see, i dont hate u

:*

[Kerset]

VOTE: Save The Dragons

[Kerset]

i have no more questions, your honor

Thank you prosecutor.
Now advocate would like to ask suspect

it is very similar to micro 1000 where dunnstral n his partner voted for each other pretty much all of day 1

windows what do you think about this?

[Kerset]

ugh you know what
vote kitty
if kitty isn't scum vote me tomorrow i'm just a 1 shot bulletproof and after everyone RANDOLY scumreading it's not like mafia will ever try to kill me

traitor claim?

People think that windows was like:

Ok T3 attacks kitty as planned, maybe we can get cop voted out in D1! It will be huge advantage!... You know what how about i lolaccuse him here. It will be fun distancing, what could go wrong? hehe

[Kerset]

So far Andre case seems to be just Nero OMGUS followed by vasex, who wish to get a badge for voting every single player in this game.

[Kerset]

maybe there is NKA (townpoints for vasex for making one btw) but its meh

[Kerset]

I think that samatha is either a genius or village idiot, so we should let a50 live until we figure it out.

[Kerset]

Vasex its time to shine, figure it out for me.

[Kerset]

Last time you were so convinced, you wanted us to kill kitty. Try to improve from that and be more open minded.

[Kerset]

ok

[Kerset]

154.


What i miss?

We are trying to someone, who townreads STD. No progress so far.

[Kerset]

*We are trying to find

[Kerset]

Ok this one is for people townreading STD
Look at those

Spoiler: STD about T3 and Kitty

how i feel about kitty

a play in three acts

By the way this is my first large. It's more than twice as big as a newbie and almost twice than a mini so I'm nervous.

i feel scum!kitty says this in their scum PT only.

In our previous game he has the list of scummies rather early. Is he seeking them now? I dont think so

i feel like expecting someone to solve a large game so early is a bit much to ask.

intermission please buy some damn popcorn it keeps the theatre alive

(My underlines below)

In fact this weird pushing makes me think you are scum

trying to mislynch me.

This feels awkward and over-thought. If they are scum and they are pushing you then it is inherently implicit that they are trying to miselim you. The quoted sentence reads much more naturally without the underlined bit.

Good point but explain how that is alignment-indicative.

i feel like this is just potential newbiebait rather than scumbait

*bows*

encore
i feel that vasex does get some townie cred for recent posts but his interaction with kitty is still giving me some heebie jeebies

OMG I HAVE A CAKE NEXT TO MY NAME

WORSHIP ME

by unvoting kitty and going after the real scum here, Cabd

Did you miss the part when Enchant scumslipped?

yes i don't get it

but i read his post as not particularly serious

do you think PR doesn't explain the differences in kitty's play between what you've seen before and this game?

who is not voting kitty today go back to newbie games

sick burn

im not sure how i feel about enchant but so far i dislike every case against them

they didn't scumslip and they weren't the first to talk about T3 being a traitor

if anything i'm more suspicious of T3 but i think i need to reread a bit

DGB why are you voting kitty

And tell me that this is a POV of an

active

player (not lurker), who has no idea what are the alignments of Kitty and T3. This all that he said/asked about those. Simultaneously he was pushing cabd this entire time and retained some curiosity about enchant.

He completely didn't care about alignment of the most controversial players of this game, especially T3. This is not how town player should look like. Even if you happen to be tunneled, you are still curious about things around you unless you are informed.

VOTE: Save The Dragons

then use ISO & ctrl+f instead of them

[Kerset]

only 174 makes sense as traitor crumb and it is not sufficient for me to elim a50 over actual scumread

[Kerset]

yes

[Kerset]

The case against me has no chances today.

Why is that so? Do you think that your vocal will save you? Or maybe do you believe that there are too many people supporting you? Do you think that posts like 3239 grant you inviolability? Perhaps do you keep statistics, which say that you never get voted out early?

[Kerset]

Mark did you read d2?

[Kerset]

You can try, kerset, if u think that im the scummiest player here)

Too afraid to answer my question? Interesting dodge.

[Kerset]

It might sound ridiculous but whatever i will say it. Mark appearance looks like setup to derail me from STD. Mark words sound exactly like my words about vasex and yet he didn't notice it or what? This is such coincidence that he pushes my second call right after ana said that she follows my vote. This timing is just...

[Kerset]

Also lack of curiosity/engagement of Kitty&T3

[Kerset]

You know, it legit looks like one

ugh you know what
vote kitty
if kitty isn't scum vote me tomorrow i'm just a 1 shot bulletproof and after everyone RANDOLY scumreading it's not like mafia will ever try to kill me

traitor claim?

Phoneposting

Was brushing my teeth and the T3 claim kept going round in my head. Would be a big gambit as scum, he was under some pressure but not loads. I'll downgrade my FOS to a dirty look of suspicion but something still feels off there

Pedit - I've not had a game with traitors in before, why would the claim be indicative of one?

Cabd who do you think is scum?

how would bulletproof targeted by nked babysitter interact? it'd protect them right?

I don't tend to make votes widely, I much prefer to holster until I am voting somebody I really WANT to vote, HARD.

what was/is your case on me?

Why did T3 role claim though?

Just wanted to say I approve of T3 votes, even if mine is kinda old by now.

and that's enough to make you almost want to vote somebody you *checks notes* really WANT to vote, HARD?

interesting...

scummy

yeah it was scummy of cabd good point

Everyone is curious about T3 claim. Meanwhile STD: Hey cadb is sus! I wanna question Cabd! Now look at posts numbers 1049 vs 1486. 400 posts later STD acknowledges it.

[Kerset]

im not sure how i feel about enchant but so far i dislike every case against them

they didn't scumslip and they weren't the first to talk about T3 being a traitor

if anything i'm more suspicious of T3 but i think i need to reread a bit

here is the first one

[Kerset]

T3

dies

because people want to see cop results.
Andre finally catches up as promised.
He resurrects T3 wagon which was dead.
Vasex defends T3 and accuse Andre, preventing T3 revival.

And now we got this...

i]well, t3 would have never been lynched without andre's tireless yelling that t3 was scum. [/i] but I don't think that's true and its kinda condensing to argue that we need andre to show us the way b/c we all can't play or some shit.

Your premise doesn't fit the facts here.

You read game backwards. Andre didn't know at the time that he will fail.

[Kerset]

all i can say without breaking site rules is that he has two other ongoing games

[Kerset]

and what does your selfmeta say about you not helping town at all?

[Kerset]

How about we make some kind of list of events where T3 wagons were suppressed by people? Any volunteer for dirty work?

[Kerset]

Andre you let emotions to take control of your judgement. Easy way to miselim.

[Kerset]

Anyway we should elim STD today.

Andre, I agree with you. At last.

If vasex is scum (which is likely the case) then he just manipulated you like puppet master.

[Kerset]

I think that STD is going to flip Town as a result. Dunnstral is not a terrible alternative, actually. If we can’t get Nero, consolidating there to stop STD from happening is fine by me.

The reason why you just said this is because Vasex annoyed you and you emotionally wanted to do the opposite then the source of your anger.

[Kerset]

could i interest anyone in a dunnstral wagon

you haven't really made case on him so meh

[Kerset]

I wish i could neighborize ana with vasex so he could fill the emptiness of nighttime by chatting with her

[Kerset]

i dont like poetry

How about Crime and Punishment?

[Kerset]

Vas are you hesitating? Or are you kitty-level sure?

[Kerset]

I was sure that Ana main is sakura hana.

[Kerset]

It will be fine without claim.

[Kerset]

From my side i would add that you shouldn't overthink wagons purity. Alot of you think that people, who didn't vote for scum are their partners and people, who were on the wagon are clear. It is not so simple, scum knows the flips beforehand and for example if they see that scum is being eliminated second time a row then they won't hesitate to bus.