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get an avatar

Make me.

-S

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Lmao fair enough.

I'm working on it. I want to check with Mena before just picking something random.

-S

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-rhyme

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~Rhyme

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why is everyone pocketing me smfh

Because you're a shining beacon of towniness, obviously.

-Reason (if Mena's gonna sign Rhyme I might as well complete the gimmick)

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Pob long is town, methinks. T3 maybe as well depending on his response.

-Reason

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It was intended to be read as genuine and then the joke was that I was pocketing you as well, but I quickly realized that it was impossible to have it not read as sarcastic. Oh well, I should have just dropped the joke but I'm stubborn.

-Reason

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I think that scum are unlikely to have a potion that does nothing, and even if they do have one, I doubt that pob would be asking about it here when the scum haven't decided who's getting it yet.

-Reason

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dats, are you familiar with retti?

~Rhyme

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skitt is town

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if one of us isn't signing, assume it's me

~Rhyme

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I like the name "Rhyme" tho, so I might be better than I normally am

~Rhyme

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ok, now i'm having datisi town pings too,

y

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skitt is town

Uh why

ur saying ur not?

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How funny would it be if I

you pinky promised

pedit: thank you skitter i can now stop refreshing the game every 2 minutes

what about my reaction did you find townie?

@dats this felt like you have a relationship to one another

~Rhyme

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have you considered that he is... lying about having a potion that does nothing?

why would he bother to lie about this fypov?

~Rhyme

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The flavor and potions of this game seem like something that could possibly be breakable if we al knew what each other was doing.

This isn't the towny response that I was hoping for, for the record.

-Reason

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this is very much mena, yes

and I presume you have some idea of why I would declare you town within my first 5 posts

~Rhyme

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ye, bc they said they pinky swore i won't die on y-1 and then they threatened to hammer me

pedit: originally it felt like some sorta rolefish to me, that's why i voted him
when s_s gave his answer on why he thought pob was town, he outright assumed pob does have a null-potion so that's why i asked

do you wanna answer my 21?

OH I read that as entirely being about them stealing the pagetop lol

also hmm

also bc I hunger for blood?

~Rhyme

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it looks to me like those times when you were scum and did the same thing (panic room, defcon) ...
Otherwise idk what you're talking abt

I mean

skitter

there is a pattern of me locking you in as town until there's evidence to the contrary that dates back

for almost 2 years at this point?

~Rhyme

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also, what do you like about pob and retti?

~Rhyme

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have you considered that he is... lying about having a potion that does nothing?

I don't see the reason to do that. If they're scum who doesn't have a nothing-potion, then how would they know they even exist? It would look weird to be the only one claiming one of those.

-Reason

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what if I just

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VOTE: bugs

~Rhyme

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decided I liked voting tʃɹɪs more.

y

~Rhyme

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Gut

and so I repeat: y

~Rhyme

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also retti, do you have any form of pronoun preference?

~Rhyme

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also also, I'm assuming that all of retti, poblong and trjis are alts (the latter specifically of tris) pls correct if wrong, thank

~Rhyme

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Gut

and so I repeat: y

~Rhyme

Ugh you're going to be annoying about this aren't you

yes

~Rhyme

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I don't mind gut reads but there is still ~something~ about the posts that pinged you in a gut sense, and I want to know what that is

~Rhyme

pedit: gotcha, thanks

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mena, is there a reason you keep avoiding me?

I'm scum and worried you'll catch the Bad Vibes

~Rhyme

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I think I like retti for town

~Rhyme

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you seem like you'd make a good pocket

~Rhyme

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shit, he's onto us

~Rhyme

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mena i Do Not Like those posts

y

~Rhyme

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Unfortunately for you I am too small and things fall out of me too easily

it's okay, you can live in my pockets, they are big and comfy and there's space for many in them

~Rhyme

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yeah the tone is probably off in the meme scumclaims, I'm trying to force it a bit but I was feeling ~vibey~ earlier and excited and now I'm feeling kinda sad but for non-game-related-reasons

idk what my read is on you yet, I kind of want to give you space to Do Stuff and then make my mind up from there. I felt slightly pinged by your concern around me wanting your head right at the start when (1) I don't think it was ever gonna happen and (2) I would expect you to know that I'm never seriously trying to get someone killed on P1 unless it's for policy reasons

~Rhyme

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I think atp my impressions are roughly

skitter30
retti
poblong

dats

toogs

T3
trjis
bugs

but I kinda doubt that trjis and bugs are scum together

~Rhyme

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toogs and dats could maybe swap places too

~Rhyme

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have we played together before, retti?

~Rhyme

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not asking who you are or in which game(s), just would like to know if we're familiar

~Rhyme

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This isnt like a real read on me right?

there's been something that's pinged me as towny and I like your take on poblong and retti that I kinda vibe with but it's mostly the default townread thing

where would you wanna look so far in terms of scum? and what's pinged you about bugs?

~Rhyme

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thanks, it's just a thing, hopefully it'll pass

and I mean, I've seen hammers happen quick too, but my general rule of thumb there is "just lim the hammerer tomorrow"

sorry brain feels kind of melty so idk if this next point is gonna come out well but: yes, if I were scum, I'd be down to try and get a hammer on page 1 for the banter and because town don't policy lim lolhammers like they should. but just as much, I'm very okay with rapid L-1s when I'm town and part of that is pushing people even if it's in a jokey way. there was really no read beyond it was either you or skitter I was going to do that with and it seemed more fun with you because I have a different thing in mind re:skitt

I also don't think I've been tunnelling you at all really?

~Rhyme

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Dats is like really obviously town

I don't see it yet

~Rhyme

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why are you voting them?
Wrt bugs: dislike the initial dats vote, dislike they ignored the concerns abt the initial dats vote, dislike the tris read, and dislike the fact that that's ehat they chose to engage with

bc you're voting them and I wanted to get a wagon going, and bc the trjis read felt made up

didn't think too much about the dats votes

~Rhyme

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now I'm feeling kinda sad but for non-game-related-reasons

Also i missed this earlier but i hope things get better soon

thanks, it's not awful it's just kind of abrupt from being in a p good mood a couple of hours ago or so

~Rhyme

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but then my whole day has been weirdly up and down

that's not very relevant to here tho

~Rhyme

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ehh, maybe dats is town and I'm just being paranoid

~Rhyme

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I meant beyond bugs, mostly

~Rhyme

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you don't have other pings?

~Rhyme

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I thought I was pingy to you?

~Rhyme

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I thought u meant like outside of urself

I'm also not sure i'd call you a scjmread, you more just feel kinda off

I meant generally (so myself included this time) but I would like to hear more about how I feel off

~Rhyme

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thanks, it's just a thing, hopefully it'll pass

and I mean, I've seen hammers happen quick too, but my general rule of thumb there is "just lim the hammerer tomorrow"

sorry brain feels kind of melty so idk if this next point is gonna come out well but: yes, if I were scum, I'd be down to try and get a hammer on page 1 for the banter and because town don't policy lim lolhammers like they should. but just as much, I'm very okay with rapid L-1s when I'm town and part of that is pushing people even if it's in a jokey way. there was really no read beyond it was either you or skitter I was going to do that with and it seemed more fun with you because I have a different thing in mind re:skitt

I also don't think I've been tunnelling you at all really?

~Rhyme

and my general rule of thumb is "don't let scum do pro-scum plays that they might even get away with tomorrow"

it's not a "real" tunnel per se, it's the meme tunnel. like i get you (most likely) weren't trying to actually get me killed on pg1 but you were still constantly repeating that i need to die and refusing to engage me otherwise so i think it's fair to call it a tunnel

and like again, i'm kiiiinda concerned that you're pinged by my reaction of being concerned there when you know that i am vary of quick early yeets (i imagine that you know that at least) and you know exactly how concerned town!me gets with wagons/scumreads on me (considering my notes pt vents from c9++)

*shrug* where's the spice of life if not to be found in letting scum make dubious but potentially rewarding plays

and like... even as a meme tunnel, it was uh... two posts? and then a brush off when asked why, but I think even in terms of memes that's hardly a tunnel

I'm less pinged now than I think I was by you wanting to know the reason for me pushing you in 21, like I think I quite like what you're saying at this point. I'd also uh, actually forgotten that you were wary of quick yeets bc it's been a while since we actually played together and if anything my hunger for swift yeetething has only strengthened in our time apart

~Rhyme

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I feel like you're asking weird questions, your responses to a couple of things have been a little off, and i didnt like the scumclaiming bits

hmm

okay

~Rhyme

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is there a reason why that doesn't translate into a SR for you?

~Rhyme

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I mean its weird but i'm not sure its enuf to call u scum over

hmmm

~Rhyme

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and like... even as a meme tunnel, it was uh... two posts? and then a brush off when asked why, but I think even in terms of memes that's hardly a tunnel

I'm less pinged now than I think I was by you wanting to know the reason for me pushing you in 21,

like I think I quite like what you're saying at this point

. I'd also uh, actually forgotten that you were wary of quick yeets bc it's been a while since we actually played together and if anything my hunger for swift yeetething has only strengthened in our time apart

i mean it was two posts + brush off but it was across multiple pages (i think idk my memory is not the best rn and i cbf to go back) so like. mini tunnel. let me have this one goddammit it was annoying.

i am interested in the bolded part

the two pushing posts were both page 1 and the brush off was either page 2 or 3

also go to sleep

also I will try to explain more tomorrow but essentially the way you're engaging here is reminiscent of reading your posts in C9++ where I got the sense that you were much more focused on trying to sort than on how you were being perceived, which I think is +town for you although I admit to being kinda out of date

~Rhyme

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I need to talk to S_S about something and then will probably expand on it tomorrow

~Rhyme

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but essentially the way you're engaging here is reminiscent of reading your posts in C9++ where I got the sense that you were much more focused on trying to sort than on how you were being perceived, which I think is +town for you although I admit to being kinda out of date

ah yeah. that game where i wasn't focused on how i was being perceived. the same game where i got into multiple arguments with players in the ic slot over their read on me. yeah that one.

yep, that's the one! I'm glad u remember

~Rhyme

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I missed you being obvtown, but then again maybe you always were and there was just a period where I stopped being able to see it

~Rhyme

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VOTE: rhyme and reason

y

~Rhyme

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But in all seriousness, what were you hoping for, (if you don't mind saying)?

Uh, well yeah I can say, since I feel like this is fine to get out in the open.

I myself was having a similar idea of massclaiming, for two reasons: (1) it makes sure that no info is lost since people's powers don't flip, and (2) most powers are one-shot so the power is distributed and scum can't take out all our power by focusing on a few PR's.

But, Mena ended up convincing me that a D2 massclaim is better, since schadd surely included a contingency for a massclaim, and since the potions owned by the person killed N1 hardly matter anyway. Saving massclaim until D2 allows investigatives to claim their info without fear of interference.

But anyway, if T3 had echoed any of these thoughts, it would have shown be was having similar concerns to me with respect to the unhelpful flips. Alas, it was just "herp derp I wonder if the setup is breakable"

-Reason

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But anyway, if T3 had echoed any of these thoughts, it would have shown

he

was having similar concerns to me with respect to the unhelpful flips.

EBWOP

-Reason

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Read the setup-specific rules, folks. There aren't that many of them.

-Reason

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I mean its weird but i'm not sure its enuf to call u scum over

Out of curiosity, what, if anything, do you think he's doing differently from what you'd expect from scum-him?

-Reason

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Skitter, these posts are coming off to me like you are being delicate with your wording.

Good post (?)

-Reason

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I missed you being obvtown, but then again maybe you always were and there was just a period where I stopped being able to see it

~Rhyme

*paranoia of being pocketed intensifies*

also like i know you laughed my semi-serious-semi-sarcastic post off in 181 but i am not Satisfied with that response. i know seeing a game from a mod perspective is different than seeing it from a player perspective, but i'm not still sure how you arrived at "datisi didn't care about how he was being percieved" so if you could elaborate on that once you and s_s chat, that would be grand

can you really not just take me at my word for it? explaining things is so much effort

~Rhyme

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*deep sigh*

okay, fine, but I'm going off memory and feel here and not back to look at exactly what was said

now I know that you read the mod pt where I commented more than once that I thought you and dwlee were more or less cleared from your approach to the game (admittedly, benefits of omniscience but still) and that was based on the way you were approaching the game. maybe the phrasing of "unconcerned with how you were seen" is poorly put, but the idea that I was trying to get across was that you didn't seem like you cared how people read you /beyond how it affected your ability to prosecute your own reads or to what extent it helped you to get a read on them/

take your approach to TLDNE -- they were looking very town imo, were widely TR by mid-D1 (and were correctly pushing scum), and you were very gung-ho in how you dealt with them as you went after your own reads. maybe my model of scumtisi is out-of-date, but I feel like you'd be more hesitant to pick a fight with a broadly TR slot with two strong players in it if you were scum

obviously it's not the same thing here *precisely* bc we're not as broadly TR as I think TLDNE was and the game is far less developed so far, but I think you seem much more interested in what *your* reads are and whether they're good or not than you do in how you're perceived. in other words, you concerns over how we perceive you (how I perceive you, maybe I should say) seems like it's much less because you're worried about whether you're fooling me or if I'm a threat to you, and much more about trying to successfully get a bead on my alignment given that I've been kind of ~wavy~ so far and not too serious

happy?

~Rhyme

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yo T3, you should vote bugs

~Rhyme

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I also think it's time to out what I was talking about which regards skitt:

so skitter has made a point in our last couple of games where I was scum and she caught me of explaining exactly how she did so -- namely, she finds that I'm much more focussed on playing around her when I'm scum compared to when I'm town. I decided that this game I would try to *intentionally* replicate that approach that I take as scum to see if she'd SR me for it or not. my logic was p simple -- if she were scum, she'd probably think I was a bit off, but I think fundamentally skitter is more interested in being scum than in just replicating her towngame, and I think my being supplicant or sucking up to her more than normal is something she'd probably just accept if scum? at least for the early game, because she'd know she could always then try to pivot to SRing me/pushing me for it in the later game. whereas I figured town!skitt would call it out and call me scum for it early and fast.

the results have been... mixed, tbh. this is what I wanted to ask S_S about. I'm personally quite concerned that skitt only called me "a bit off" when I was trying very hard to make it look like my reads were dependent on hers and that she was having an outsize influence on how I was approaching the game (putting retti and poblong in my top TRs, changing my read on datisi to town when she disagreed with me and said dats was very town) and I find it further concerning that when I asked her for more on where else she'd look for scum she gave... pretty much my own scumleans back to me? which is also a little weird bc I think we're not that often so in-sync in games, particularly at the beginning

however, all this said, when I questioned S_S about it he thinks her take makes sense as town too, because he's doubtful (and I admit probably right) that I've done a great job of replicating my approach to skitter as scum this game, namely in that I've not really tried to be subtle about it whereas when I am scum I'm *actually* trying to fool her into thinking I'm town, whereas here I was hoping she'd think I was scum and call it out, at which point I'd drop this whole explanation and be all "boom, skitter is town everyone"

last point: I don't think that scum!skitter would just jump on me matching my scum!meta if she knows I'm town either, which is why I thought this would be a reliable approach. I don't think scum!skitter would be *super* worried about 1v1ing me at any point in a game, but I think it's reasonably unlikely she takes that approach to me unnecessarily? I think it's much more likely she just guides the game onto a couple of relatively LHF slots and either kills me while I'm expressing a TR on her, or keeps me around and 1v1s me later on

~Rhyme

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tl;dr did a gambit thing to try to read skitt, didn't really work, probably going to default back to assuming she's town and trying to work with her to get a read on her that way

~Rhyme

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As for the hydra their posting is throwing me off but I definitely didn't like the "trust me" post

okay how is it throwing you off and why didn't you like the trust me post?

~Rhyme

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@skitt, that's kind of amusing to hear you say because I felt like I was really taking the sheeping you/being attentive to what you think up to 11 this game compared to what I've done on the occasions when you'd caught me as scum previously.

also, S_S and I discussed it when I told him I'd had the idea and he had some concerns over whether it would work given that... well, you'd caught me doing it twice and also that he was literally in a hydra with you last time it happened so he thought you'd find it weird that he wouldn't have discussed exactly what it was that bothered you about me in DEFCON if we'd rolled scum here

I think I broadly like your response to what I was doing, but I'm still like a ~little~ skeeved out that you didn't lean on me harder for being off? like what did you think it was/what were you ascribing the weirdness to? I think you're normally very confident in calling me town when we're town together and so I'm not sure why if I wasn't triggering that response in you, you weren't more, idk eager to try and nail me down on what was different?

there is also some lowkey paranoia that I'm not entertaining today and hopefully we just flip scum so I can forget about it

~Rhyme

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also, what do you make of T3 so far?

I think I sort of agree with Retti that his progression feels inorganic or a bit forced, but equally I tend to SR T3 very often and I know he's limbait, and idk if he would be...trying to fake a more nuanced progression in his reads if he were actually scum? like his immediate pivots on you from "yeah I thought she was scum and then bugs said that their datisi SR was real so now I think she's town" and on me just above of "I didn't like it bc of the same reasons datisi gave but now you explained I think you're town" just seem almost too blatant to be coming from scum?

~Rhyme

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and I mean, I guess if it's there I'll take it...

~Rhyme

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The trust me post I didn't like for reasons Datisi outlined

You didn't like it because Datisi reads Menalque based on how Menalque is reading him? How did you know that?

-Reason

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how do you believe anything in post 242 after RR was making ''im scum' memes on Page 5? those dont add up i think.

What do the memes have to do with anything? They're obviously jokes.

-Reason

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I'm kinda thinking this too, esp since she was on my scumteam in the TM game i basically won

I don't think this is a wise basis to read someone on, do you remember misclearing me in C9++ because you thought I wouldn't CC you? rings to me of being the same thing, and I don't think tris is really picking a fight with you here, plus bugs is scummy enough that she may feel safe today even if scum

~Rhyme

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Is there a reason why we haven't yeetethed the bugspray yet?

~Rhyme

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i remember having come to the conclusion that skitter is best treated as scum until proven otherwise.

this is um

the opposite of a good idea

~Rhyme

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I know that whenever I say this the game is normally cursed, but I sort of feel like this is easy?

yeeteth the bugspray, then just yeet T3, trjis, and toogs in that order

~Rhyme

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Maybe its just bugspray/tris

doubtful, that would require tris having a deep misperception of the gamestate imo

T3 more likely

~Rhyme

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yeh I don't think she's scum really, I just think that if it's not T3 then it's probably her or toogs

guess I should reexamine whether or not pob long's read on us is bs or not but S_S thinks there's a reason that slot is towny from the entrance

~Rhyme

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I think dats is going to be annoying this game, but kind of understandably given that what I want to do with him as town here is identical to what I'd be trying to do as scum

~Rhyme

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yo date can u confirm that bugs just completely checking the fuck out of the game is +scum specifically rather than it being something that just happens regardless of alignment when they're under pressure?

~Rhyme

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dats*

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@skitt feelings on toogs?

~Rhyme

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maybe the phrasing of "unconcerned with how you were seen" is poorly put, but the idea that I was trying to get across was that you didn't seem like you cared how people read you /beyond how it affected your ability to prosecute your own reads or to what extent it helped you to get a read on them/

okay uhh i'm not sure i vibe with this part. like, i'm pretty sure i made multiple posts in my notes that were like "oh god oh fuck if cakez flips red, everyone is gonna think i'm his partner oh shit" so again i'm not quite getting how you're coming to this conclusion about my levels of concern for my own life in that game?

i feel like i am struggling to respond to the rest. it's obviously true that i'm trying to form my own reads here (because that's what we're here for, no) but "the way i am perceived" is always kinda my first priority, mostly bc it's (imho) town!me's strongest asset. so like, i feel like your last paragraph is ~wrong~ regardless of your alignment - i kinda know this is all in my head, so it's much more clear to me than to the rest of the table, and that maybe i don't necessarily always give off that vibe of self-preservation, but also i feel like you should know better and i'm worried this is a walkback bc you see i'm not going down that easy and adslfdgjkj

first para: I'm talking more about how you presented in thread than how you presented in ur notes. I imagine that your like, standard paranoia and neuroticism is probably flowing there (still think u should just do that in main thread btw, as it makes you very town when you do, but I imagine it makes playing scum harder so)

second para: I don't really know what you're getting at? like not sure if we're talking past each other a bit. I think that when you're scum your concern with perceptions of you is more directly related to who is a threat to you/trying to understand how the gamestate is so you can manipulate it while PRETENDING to use it to generate reads. when you're town I think it's more about figuring out whether reads on you are in good faith or are pocket attempts, and that this goes more in conjunction with what's happening here. like eh, if we flip a load of town then yes, I probably need to reconsider if you're faking all the paranoia and this is a Datisi Big Brain(tm) play to pocket me but for now I'm kinda just happy to call you town lol

~Rhyme

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also, dats, I know you want me to townspew but like... I'm realising that increasingly only happens when I feel pressure which I don't this game

feel quite happy with how things are going, don't feel like our slot is under any threat, so the desire to be here and like try super hard just isn't present

main thing is just wanting to get the bugs flip done so we can see if it's right or not and roll from there

~Rhyme

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I really don't think bugs/tris is a thing...

~Rhyme

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so I think my recommendation for winning the game is (assuming bugs reds) to go:

T3 -> toogs -> skitt if she's still alive in 3p

~Rhyme

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can we please not try to spiral here? I sometimes feel like you're idk, very reactive to my choice of words before I get the chance to expand -- when I say annoying I don't mean like ~you as a person are annoying~ I mean I feel like this game is headed in the direction where I have a correct TR on you and you're going to be horrendously paranoid of me all game because of it (again, I guess if we're both still alive later then I'd need to double check but it's enough for now) which is just.. slightly frustrating bc I can't really tell what it's based on besides somewhat nebulous ~there's something off about mena~ feelings

~Rhyme

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Nullish, maybe nulltown if i feel generous

Toog ^

I uh

maybe TR tris tonally

not sure, don't have a great baseline for tris' tone when she's scum but I liked the interjection of the bit about it being the left one who thinks something, it felt kinda natural and off-the-cuff

~Rhyme

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oh, didn't mean to quote that

why do you maybe null town toogs?

I don't really get any Good Vibes there yet, but it's just that T3 feels like he could be limbait but just as easily could be scum and I think that unless he starts being actually towny I wouldn't want him to endgame anyway. if bugs greens then I would probably be more careful around flipping T3 or want to be more confident he's actually scum, but if bugs reds and we're ahead then I think I'd rather just lim him and not worry about it

~Rhyme

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any reason skitt is here other than "if not dead she is scum"?

no, literally just that

like, skitter ~maybe~ dodges the NK for like 1-2 nights if town, but I have big scepticism that anyone in this PL would decide to bring her to 3p lylo who wouldn't... also probably be dead by that point (like, I would probably not bring her to 3p lylo and I don't think u or tris would do so if u were scum... maybe tris would? idk, but that's a Very Bold decision if skitter is town and I think that generally scum aren't willing to take the bet on the final townie paranoia voting skitt > them especially considering that mislimming skitt is normally a huge pain in the ass unless she's fucked up in her positioning on a scum wagon)

~Rhyme

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oh my god self-meta discussion that probably nobody else is even gonna read i'm lowkey regretting starting this

i don't intentionally sandbag my games >_> my notes are often things that i don't actually want out in the main thread - either because i think it would make me more easily pocketable / playable around, because i think people would find that level of waffle scummy, or simply because i think others would find it annoying and it would not have sufficient gain to offset the drawback of other people disliking me (this is not directly related to this game but i kinda take offense when people think i intentionally do things like that for the sake of future oppposite-alignment games)

i mean, we may be talking past each other here, but like, i'm saying that i'm always concerned about the way i look, sometimes it doesn't have anything to do with reading the other person's read on me, it has to do with pure "ah shit, my only useful asset when town is being townread, if i can't do that what the fuck do i have to offer, i need to be transparently town here" survivalism/paranoia. (obviously i wanna be townread as scum too, for different reasons lol) though, having typed this out, i can kinda see why you'd think i do the "i will read their read on me" with everyone considering i do it constantly with you. but like, i do not always do that, that's what i was getting at earlier - that's what i meant when i said you're wrong regardless of your alignment, i was thinking whether any-alignment!mena even knows that and whether your "actually nvm datisi is town" Makes Sense with that in mind

this feels like a confusing word salad and at this point i kinda wanna just drop it bc i'm not sure if anything useful is gonna come from this discussion anymore but it is what it is

okay I'm tired-ish and have some stuff I need to do today so I may be a bit cursory in passing over this

so first up, sorry, didn't mean to imply sandbagging, like I appreciate that you have reasons for doing them separately, I just personally think they would make you easier to read *for me* if they were in main thread, maybe it wouldn't be so helpful for others but I think ever since you started doing a notes thread every game you became harder to read to me? also I think that there were obviously other confounding variables that made it harder for me to read you so, we'll see if I can now or not

second para: I... did not know that you didn't do that with everyone and thought you did? or at least used it as a significant part of your read on others too. I still think that I'm right that your paranoia/concerns about how you're being read looks? different? when you're town vs scum tho. like again, I felt like even if you were worried about being misread in c9++ it was more to do with being worried about your reads leading to you being misread etc rather than being like "oh shit, are they seeing I'm scum, am I being scummy" which I think is more how I would expect you worrying about that to look as scum (not like, super obviously, but I think those lines would be underlying it).

basically, you seemed very concerned with getting your reads /right/ in c9++ and like you weren't really fussed about who you butted heads with or if they SR you for it if you were SRing them. again, I'm thinking particularly of you being combative with TLDNE, whereas I think you as scum would probably have been more anxious about being in conflict with them because they would have been a very hard push and I think pretending you thought they were scummy would have been difficult if you knew all their posts were good faith and that their push on cakez was good faith. like, I have this too -- I can be very confidently wrong on someone when I'm town and don't know they're town, but if I'm scum and I know all their posts are genuine it can become difficult for me to convincingly pretend I think they're scum

idk, I hope this is helpful

~Rhyme

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can we please not try to spiral here? I sometimes feel like you're idk, very reactive to my choice of words before I get the chance to expand -- when I say annoying I don't mean like ~you as a person are annoying~ I mean I feel like this game is headed in the direction where I have a correct TR on you and you're going to be horrendously paranoid of me all game because of it (again, I guess if we're both still alive later then I'd need to double check but it's enough for now) which is just.. slightly frustrating bc I can't really tell what it's based on besides somewhat nebulous ~there's something off about mena~ feelings

~Rhyme

i'm not trying to spiral... i guessed the "annoying" didn't mean "personally-annoying". i got a slight feeling that was AtE-ish trying to call my actions/paranoia-read on you annoying so that you make me drop it and back off. like, idk i'm sorry? i really wish i could just get to a townread on you (assuming you're town here) and feel like the game is going great and we're gonna roflstomp it but i just don't think i can right now?

okay that's fine, it was more just a throwaway thing of like, it's generally a bit annoying to deal with managing peoples paranoia of me when I'm fairly confident on them being town, because it's like... idk, kind of like "yes, we're winning here, but I need to guide you through seeing that I'm also town and not playing you so we can lim the actual scum, and this would be much easier if you could also just read me as town"

I am like, vaguely paranoid of you too, I'm just a lot better at constraining that in early days than I used to be. trust me, if we end up in 5p lylo and you're still there and so am I, I will be a paranoid mess again who's desperately re-checking that Ali blitz game + JK9++ where you previously fooled me. full disclosure I'm already a bit worried that your insistence on being worried about me is you being performative because you know that I like it when you're paranoid of me (or like, I consider it a feature of your towngame) and that you're sticking with it beyond where I think you would actually be paranoid to. as in, if you were town you would no longer be as paranoid as you claim to be and would be okay calling me town by now. however, I feel like bugs is likely to be scum, and entertaining that line of thought seriously on D1 is unlikely to be helpful. it's the sort of thing I'd consider more if bugs flips town

~Rhyme

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I'm not really getting any bad vibes from toog and i liked his reason to scumread retti a few pages back
Def not strong enuf for a townread but the pings u've been getting have been positive

eh, just feels very boring to me, like generically safe reads but with a little bit of spice/contrarianism by putting retti initially low. I feel like pob long's "why are R+R town, I think they're scummy" strikes me as more authentically against the current?

but meh

~Rhyme

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idk, course of action feels simple: yeet bugs, if red then cool, keep going, if green then re-evaluate what was going on on D1

~Rhyme

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'm gonna flip green

~Rhyme

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I love this energy, tris

~Rhyme

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VOTE: bugspray

~Rhyme

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My thoughts are thst if this flips green it’s NAI for tris (would maybe be +town but I don’t think tris’ posts show that she gets why it would be +town) and if it’s red then it’s slightly +scum for tris because I think it’s a lot easier to drop a lolhammer when you’re scum if you know it reds and harder to do it if it greens

~Rhyme

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Still probably want T3 first tomorrow if it’s red tho

~Rhyme

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Woo a public mechanic. Time to figure out how to abuse it.

@mod does the DDD (Datisi Disagreement Damage) apply to Datisi himself?

-Reason

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no

mm.

I take issue with the wording, then.

Still should be abusable, Datisi is pretty town iirc.

-Reason

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I see a reason why not to claim it, but oh well. We did in fact receive it.

-Reason

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Yeah I was just gonna say that. The MBOS series is

notorious

for having red herrings. You should expect them as a matter of course.

-Reason

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VOTE: T3

~Rhyme

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Uh, skitt

What changed between here:

VOTE: tris

Posts eod + hammer were Not Good
Also i still dont get your read on me

Also i'm assuming this means scum failed to apply 2 points of damage to anyone last night

I dont really see a reason to not claim this, @rr i gave u the potion u received

And here:

+ the fact that you randomly started townreading me for reasons you cant really explain
Do you not see why your eod posts were bad or

The sad things is that i lowkey think you're town
Sigh
Dont lolhammer people, especially not before a claim or before people are ready to end the day

VOTE: toog

Pedit ...

Exactly?

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It’s not the first avenue I want to go down but I think trjis and skitter have scum equity together

[Rhyme and Reason]

@skitt we’re not doing retti today but if you wanna explain the vote I’ll listen?

~Rhyme

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I think Retti still reads strongly as town

I think that it’s reasonably likely to be either something like (T3, toogs(/pob/trjis) or like, (skitter, trjis)

[Rhyme and Reason]

I think it’s quite likely scum got onto the wagon yesterday

Not too sure it’s trjis, still TRing datisi, skitt I’m less sure on but she’s still just about on the “benefit of the doubt” side of things for today, which only leaves T3 and if T3 /is/ town I’d rather know sooner than later because it means I’m likely going wrong somewhere in (trjis, skitt, dats)

I mean I ~guess~ it could be 2/3 of (toogs, retti, pob long) but ehhhh, kinda don’t think so. Retti is independently towny, and S_S thinks that pob long has done town indicative things (so I’m kinda ignoring that — although writing this makes me think I should push back against S_S on that a bit in case the reason isn’t solid)

So that’s just kinda getting me to (T3, toogs) via being the most likely PoE to have scum

~Rhyme

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There’s a thing I wanna consult with S_S on mechanically before airing it to see if it’s a good idea

~Rhyme

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is this a mena sheep or do you have your own reasons? if the latter, could you please share? also what's the status on massclaim?

uh I think it's mostly a sheep. if I had my own reasons I don't remember them now.

I think we should maybe massclaim the action we took last night. That seems mostly without downside? Maybe also worth massclaiming if we have any potions left (but not what they are).

-Reason

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I'm very down to end the day again as fast as we did yesterday

18 page days, delicious

~Rhyme

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skitter feels scummy today

~Rhyme

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I like uh

basically none of this:

VOTE: tris

Posts eod + hammer were Not Good
Also i still dont get your read on me

Also i'm assuming this means scum failed to apply 2 points of damage to anyone last night

I dont really see a reason to not claim this, @rr i gave u the potion u received

Triiiiiiiissssssss why did you hammer bugspray

+ the fact that you randomly started townreading me for reasons you cant really explain
Do you not see why your eod posts were bad or

The sad things is that i lowkey think you're town
Sigh
Dont lolhammer people, especially not before a claim or before people are ready to end the day

VOTE: toog

Pedit ...

Actually
VOTE: retti

@retti the vote had nothing to do with the potion thing
It was more an offshoot of me thinking i dont have as strong a reason to townread you and since you had been around was hoping it would spark an interesting convo that would help me read you better
But then i fell asleep

And waking up honestly i'm more interested in toog so gonna switch back VOTE: toog

It was an impulsive 'oh maybe this will lead to an interesting convo' thing more than anything else

Uh, skitt

What changed between here:

The softing clicked:
- realized she was softing some sort of pr-potion (probably should have realized that before but i didnt)
- which explains why she was impatient to get to night

And then her explanation for why she was townreading me (trying to make me into a scum-target) made sense too

The whole eod makes a lot of sense coming from town-pr impatient to get to night and use their ability, and I'm oncr i realized thay she became a townread

like, we all have potions, I'm assuming that most people have at least one that actually does something, so the explanation here doesn't really make sense that she was impatient because town PR? like if the majority of thread have powers of some nature then why would trjis particularly be so keen to do this? also doesn't really fit with my model of trjis as a player

like this feels like such a stretch of an explanation to me, and I also individually really don't like 450 which just feels very performative especially considering how quickly it's followed by the reversal on the slot?

and then besides that the progression on retti is at odds with what she was saying yesterday? I don't get why retti was suddenly voteable for "not having a strong reason to TR" him when yesterday all she mentioned was town reading him (89), and while she didn't say explicitly that that carried on throughout the day, it was implied: 180 suggests she thinks retti should be higher, and I think that 342 where she says that what retti was saying "resonated" with her also implies that she was TRing him there/identifying with what he had to say. I don't think retti did anything that makes sense that her TR there would drop off or she'd feel the need to pressure him by voting there, and the switch back to toogs immediately afterwards instead of... actually doing what she said she wanted to do also feels off? like if you're gonna vote retti to try to get a more solid read, it feels like it sort of defeats the purpose to immediately tell him that's what you're doing because then he kinda knows the potential pressure of the vote isn't real

~Rhyme

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I'm also sort of bothered by the throwaway "RR and bugs feel partnery" comment yesterday, which I probably should have leaned on her about at the time

~Rhyme

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I also dislike her reasoning for the T3 townread when I think that T3 saying he's trying to play more like his scumgame is very NAI

~Rhyme

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and like I don't get why she's not jiving with the rest of the thread on T3 looking scummy, and that feels like the sort of behaviour of scum to setup for the next day if it's a town flip

like white knight the slot perceptually, while not really doing much materially to try and save it

~Rhyme

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I'm in two minds about the best actual vote here today, so discussing that with S_S before we make any changes

still comfortable being on T3 for now

~Rhyme

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@schadd_, can we disagree with posts datisi made yesterday without taking damage?

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@dats, I'm aware you're around and want me to talk to you and I will, just trying to get clear on the damage taking thing because I don't want to accidentally harm our slot by disagreeing with something

(and lord knows we disagree often enough)

~Rhyme

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please don't waste your investigations on me btw

can u explain this now @trjis?

~Rhyme

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That seems like a good idea, yeah

also, I think I can out this without S_S being upset? but we had a hurt potion for 1 damage that we used on trjis last night (mainly my call) because I figured that there was a good chance that if anyone else had one they might also use it on her, and it would have been useful to know if the hammer was town or scum

so S_S suggested, and I agree, that making trjis disagree with you today might be a good move because we can essentially treat her as conf!town for the rest of the day if she does, and treat it as a scum claim if she refuses to

~Rhyme

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also, dats, re: jk9++ I checked our unreleased hydra PT and can confirm that on March 1st I said "but I think datisi is probably town aorn, I liked his interactions w/ me yesterday" and on march 4th:

"But can we please finally burn a flip on NM tomorrow if they’re scum

I would still comparatively rather have dats in lylo than N_M

At least dats has done /some/ things"

then on march 7th I said:

"I feel like there’s a reasonable chance that it’s just sechyd + 1 of dats/schiav"

and

"Feels like it’s decent odds dats does what he thinks needs to be done vote wise and just avoids justifying it"

so, in conclusion, I TR you initially for your posting, then got some doubts from you voting us at start of D3, and then was more solid on those doubts by the end of D3 with you being on wagon

~Rhyme

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so in other words you had me fooled until you decided you no longer cared about having us fooled and cared more about just getting our lim through

~Rhyme

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talk to me about my skitter take

~Rhyme

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like, *does* my paranoia/concern feel fake and/or performative to you?

a bit, yes

or like... it feels like it's dragging on past the point where I feel like you would be comfortable with me and that makes me uneasy

I don't think I'm out of scumrange but like, I think there are enough slots that are scummy that you should almost be PoEing me town, and I think you (1) would have incentives as scum to not give me a TR (to maybe keep me viable or explain voting me more easily later) and (2) think you know that I like not being given a TR too easily and am paranoid when that happens (see: toogs thinking I'm top town at the point they did yesterday), and can see scum!you doing that to try and pocket me maybe. that's why I mention that it sort of bothers me that by EoD and today you still don't seem like you're TRing me but like.. I sort of think town!you should be?

~Rhyme

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I hope that was ambiguous enough to not count as disagreement lol

~Rhyme

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okay, this is now endorsed by both heads:

VOTE: skitter30

~Rhyme

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I wonder if voting for Datisi counts as disagreeing with them...

VOTE: Datisi

...why would you try this without asking schadd first?

-Reason

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@schadd_, if I were to say something like "hey, retti, I think datisi is wrong about X, Y, Z in post A, because E, F, G, what do you think?" would that count as disagreeing with datisi and lead to receiving damage? asking because in the post explaining about how the power works, it says that datisi must be clearly addressed for the damage-taking to apply, and in such an instance retti would clearly be the one being addressed, not dats

[Rhyme and Reason]

my reads are:

retti -- town
datisi

pob long -- leaning town?

trjis, trjis -- something smells funky

skitt -- scum?
T3

~Rhyme

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ffs, I think my autocorrect changed "toogs" to trjis

[Rhyme and Reason]

my reads are:

retti -- town
datisi

pob long -- leaning town?

toogs, trjis -- something smells funky

skitt -- scum?
T3

~Rhyme

ebwop

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yo, likewise sorry for being absent, yesterday was a bit of a rough day in terms of mental health and this game suddenly felt hard

I feel kind of directionless atm

~Rhyme

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If I'm honest, I really dislike the charisma potion mechanic, I think it's making me feel stressed akin to when I'm scum in that it means having to actually think about my posts rather than just rush stuff off

~Rhyme

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oog: ty skitt

ig: why do I have the profoundly Bad Vibes when I read your posts this game, skitt?

~Rhyme

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@mena - what's got you feeling directionless? you had a full blown readslist last time, no?

not sure tbh

I kind of feel like I can't parse skitter here which is troublesome but like equally it's hard to put my finger on why I think she feels scummy and idk if it's paranoia or what but I can't shake the feel? I didn't really like the response to me when I initially pointed out what was bothering me about her, and I still think the whole thing about "tris being an excited PR" just rings hollow as a reason to suddenly feel fine with her quick hammering if she was actually upset (instead of feigning upsetness) about it beforehand?

also with the massclaim things have gotten mech-y which is uh, not something I enjoy so I'm mostly out while S_S decides what to do about that

lastly, idk, the game just feels wrong kinda? like my reads are smokey instead of pinned down and I'm having the classic "not sure if I'm just worrying over nothing or if things are genuinely off and I need to fully re-eval"

~Rhyme

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also, I just don't know if I have the energy to fight skitter if she is scum, and I guess the feeling that she is and that that's the inevitable consequence of me being around and pushing her is like, disincentivizing me to play rn + as mentioned, not having had a great day yesterday just due to general IRL mental health

~Rhyme

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I think also there are just a lot of very hard to read slots which then in turn makes me feel less good on the reads I /should/ feel confident because there's more total unknowns in the pool to be sorted

like I feel like so far this game (trjis, pob long, T3, skitter) are all really hard to read at all

toogs I think could be scum but not sure

retti I think is mostly town but I'm not as locked in there as I'd like to be

you are I think town but as mentioned there's some underlying paranoia

I think it's well established that I do much better when I feel like (1) the game is active and (2) there's someone else I feel really confident on who I can bounce reads and ideas back and forth with and that's not really been available this game as the person I /would/ maybe have done that with is you but I (a) cannot disagree with you without taking damage and (b) don't think that's gonna work if you're not also townreading me and I now sort of feel like the moment to be in that mutually beneficial townread has passed and the paranoia is kind of set in

~Rhyme

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I'm here. I'm still opposed to massclaim, I think massclaiming what everyone did last night is fine.

Echoing what Mena said about the charisma potion being annoying.

-Reason

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Should I self hammer?

No. Tris should do the thing first.

-Reason

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What is it that you’re not understanding?

~Rhyme

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To be clear, pob: what is the potion called? does it have any description at all of when you can use it, what happens when you use it, etc?

-Reason

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Okay yeah, just wanted to make sure. We have a gulp potion as well, so pob is very likely telling the truth about that.

-Reason

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than i'm *incredibly* doubtful that all fo the damage claims are town ...

I mean, if we assume that scum are using their damage potions to kill threats, they probably aren't claiming those shots.

So if anything, a damage claim on a suspicious player is a verifiable pro-town action that proves they didn't take any other action that night.

-Reason

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true but what are scum goign to claim otherwise?

Idk, maybe something like "I started the game with no potions" or "I used an unverifiable healing potion last night"

-Reason

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N1 action claims:

tʃɹɪs - check if someone is damaged, used on Datisi, he was not (I think? this wasn't made explicit but I assume that's what her second post of the day means)
pob long - gulp potion, no effect
T3 - no potions
Rhyme and Reason - damaged tris
skitter30 - fruit vendor potion to R&R
Datisi - charisma potion
Toogeloo - ?
Retti - restored 1 HP to skitter

I couldn't find Toog's N1 action. Did they claim it and I just missed it?

-Reason

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Hi Toog, did you do anything last night?

-Reason

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tʃɹɪs - check if someone is damaged, used on Datisi, he was not (I think? this wasn't made explicit but I assume that's what her second post of the day means)
pob long - gulp potion, no effect
T3 - no potions
Rhyme and Reason - damaged tris
skitter30 - fruit vendor potion to R&R
Datisi - charisma potion
Toogeloo - no action
Retti - restored 1 HP to skitter

Fully confirmed actions: skitter30, Datisi
Confirmable in the future: Rhyme and Reason
Can be corroborated but not confirmed: tris, Retti
Unconfirmable: pob long, T3, Toogeloo

Skitter, if you're wondering what scum would claim if they didn't want to claim an attack, those bottom two rows are your answer.

-Reason

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I mean if scum have a stock of like 4 damaging potions they're probably not claiming all of them.

-Reason

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All potions are 1-shot.

-Reason

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ugh maybe i'm tunneled >.>

Fwiw I feel that intentionally taking damage today was a pretty towny thing to do, from both Toog and T3.

-Reason

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I'm gonna say here more or less what I said to S_S via discord that he hasn't seen/replied to yet:

I feel super disconnected from this game and I'm not sure why, I think maybe all the mech talk has confused me and also I feel like my reads just sort of went up in smoke at some point. not sure how to get back into it, and the datisi power thing has also just made me not want to post due to overthinking what I have to write in the same way that I do when I'm scum

I'm basically down to flip probably anyone who isn't datisi atp so day can end and we can have more flips to look at tomorrow

~Rhyme

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I'm gonna wait to get a new VC to pop a vote down tho

~Rhyme

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Increasingly starting to think Datisi has maybe snowed me and it’s exactly skitt/datisi

~Rhyme

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also waht happened to ss, i feel like he hasnt' posted in like a week

I think he was busy for 4th July weekend, he just messaged me back on discord to say he’ll have a look later

~Rhyme

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Increasingly starting to think Datisi has maybe snowed me and it’s exactly skitt/datisi

~Rhyme

>.>

This does absolutely nothing to reassure me

~Rhyne

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Err it’s changed kinda

But the reason when I outed that read was based around me really not believing your progression on tris/some of your posts there reading as super fake to me

Now it’s more like... game feels really hard, if I had to pick a set of players who if they were scum would result in game feeling really hard it would probably be you and dats

My dats paranoia has gradually increased despite my best efforts to contain it. I’m kind of mechanically clearing him still which is why this is ~paranoia~ instead of like, my actual reads, mostly bc I think it would be an *insanely* scumsided thing to do to give the charisma potion to scum

Fwiw tho, S_S disagreed when I brought this up upon the charisma potion dropping and he thinks it’s NAI, but you can take that up with him when he does turn up

~Rhyme

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so not much more i have to say there unless u have something new to add or want to respond

I’ll settle for a “Cassandra” scummies nom if that becomes an award this year

~Rhyme

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Dats trying to figure out how to reply to you without accidentally disagreeing with you is more than my brain can muster rn

~Rhyme

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Oh I guess I can answer the paranoia bit actually: I still feel like you overdid the “not TRing you/you’re off” thing yesterday and it’s been growing on me as this game has seemed to stagnate (probvably partially my fault for not being around but still something that happened)

~Rhyme

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am struggling to explain it but also I think you alone can out argue me even when I’m at like peak WIM and have loads of time so

I mean maybe I would stand a chance against scum you 1v1 but I’m definitely not winning if Datisi and you are buddies lol

And like everything you post (not everything, but a lot) feels super agenda-y like trying to frame my read on you as simple paranoia because you have a very pedantic/technical/pernickity defence vs my original reasons for you being scum which was like, off but very hard to put my finger on why or explain it clearly

So yeah, kinda just writing this game as a wash and probably going to hope that you’ve taken damage today/see if I can convince S_S that we should vig you tonight *shrug*

~Rhyme

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also waht happened to ss, i feel like he hasnt' posted in like a week

I think he was busy for 4th July weekend, he just messaged me back on discord to say he’ll have a look later

~Rhyme

Yep this has been quite a week for me. New job starting tomorrow, been looking for apartments, and out of town for the holiday weekend.

Should still have enough time for the game going forward, but possibly only in the evenings (EST).

-Reason

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sick of this fucking potion at this point

This is me explicitly agreeing with you.

-Reason

[Rhyme and Reason]

This game is not fun. This was my first micro game, and if this is the norm, probably my last as well.

no pls, micro games are great. they don't all have a "you can't talk to Datisi" potion

-Reason