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I like Eira and Frog for early page 2 townreads.
I was going to say you're towny, too, but scratch that, I guess ;3In post 24, Firebringer wrote:
seeing the playerlist this game probably wouldn't be amazingly fun in anyways.In post 22, Firebringer wrote:god i got town. this game is going to be boring
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Ooh ok, alright, fine, so:
I had similar reasoning for both you and Eira. I liked both these posts because I thought they were uncontrived:In post 51, Frogsterking wrote:
If the reads are logical based can you explain them, and if it's intuition based can you quote where it started and describe the feeling?In post 36, Aisa wrote:I like Eira and Frog for early page 2 townreads.
I was going to say you're towny, too, but scratch that, I guess ;3In post 24, Firebringer wrote:
seeing the playerlist this game probably wouldn't be amazingly fun in anyways.In post 22, Firebringer wrote:god i got town. this game is going to be boring
[...]In post 13, Eiralox wrote:oki >.>Both have a sort of playfulness and "unseriousness" while not seeming particularly designed to come across as towny to me. Contrast with my personal experience of playing scum, which is to spend lots and lots of time ruminating over the tone of a post. Not much evidence, but I added the "early page 2" qualifier for a reason.
Based on the overnight posting I think I will stand by these early TRs. I tend to townread lots of quick posting, Frog meets that description, and I don't see where the scum agenda is. Hoping for a textbook case of "guy who appears to be scumhunting is, in fact, scumhunting". Eira's latest post is also consistent with what I know of their townplay, and my best guess is that the stream-of-consciousness style post would be kind of hard to fake as scum. Did I pocket them or did they pocket me?
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Grib is also a townlean. The reason is that they seem curious and they don't seem like they are trying to convince anyone of anything. I think FB might be town too, but I need some time and space to detach from the attention they've heaped on me overnight.
In post 76, Elements wrote:Above the Line
Firebringer
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The Line-------Eiralox, NM, Enchant, Firth, TSQ, BBT
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Below the Line@Elements, why is Bella above null?
In post 125, HighPrincessErinys wrote:[...]difficulty in trying to keep up because sifting through what is already five pages of posts.[...]@Erynis, I know it's easier said than done, but fun fact, you don't have to read everything. If you prefer working with two pages of content you could just read two pages and see what reads you get from that.
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Oh no, were hay and carrots a bad choice of favourite foods?In post 194, Firebringer wrote:
yes,In post 193, Aisa wrote:Aw, you've missed me?
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This is intriguing. Where did you see me as scum and what gave me away?In post 201, Bellaphant wrote:Aisa is fine and I've found them fairly easy to read as both alignments.
Also, just for fun...
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In post 224, Firebringer wrote:[...]
Also what is this
Low key buddying. And what even from Eira stream of consciousness couldn't be faked? Do I need to pull it up, because I don't know Eira but i agree that is a "stream of consciousness" I also think it means exactly nothing because their thoughts weren't deep enough to get me to think they were actively engaged high enough for it to be unlikely to come from scum. How couldn't a scum person read the thread and have that stream of consciousness. I don't see it at all. This is saying nothing while trying to say something.Eira's latest post is also consistent with what I know of their townplay, and my best guess is that the stream-of-consciousness style post would be kind of hard to fake as scum. Did I pocket them or did they pocket me?
Only thing i like about Aisa is her question to elements on why is bella above null.
What I'm doing is *high-key buddying, you growlie.In post 225, Firebringer wrote:
Like this is the "stream of consciousness" aisa says would be hard faked from scum.In post 192, Eiralox wrote:why even are ya'll on Asia? Solway Firth is a sagacious wagon, like they havent even posted yet. Element coming in putting Asia under some line, and fire being like..... ultra focused on finding 'the bunny'......
while Asia has felt pretty much wholly green to me after a few one-liners exchanged.
this whole frogster/fire thing is cluttering up this early imo, it all seemed mostly to be i nterpersonal meta and as eira dont meta eira dont read.... much at least. I mean of the two i'd say i'd ay i feel worse on fire..... pretty much for abhorrent mood page 1. then again fire adores n_m so there's hope i gues >.>
SO meh today is a lazy day for me imma play monster train and endless legend. I think my vote's in a pretty good spot tbh........ firth's gotta pitch at least, and enchant. I'll trust Asia for now, no strong feelings on others buuut maybe..... Grib doees feel a bit more green than the mass? Like viewing things with an open yet uninformed mind. So yeah like way later gators
And I read it and thought "this person skimmed and didn't think that intensely on posts" that was my take away from the stream of thought I got from reading the internal mindof Eira.
You yourself say you read that post and thought it was low effort. Will you humour me and let me assume it was a low-effort post for a second?
I think the combination of low-effort post + Eira still throws out two or three reads is more consistent with town that scum. Town has nothing to lose by saying "I think X, Y, Z look green". I think it's a scary thing for scum to come into the game and take position so decisively.
Hence, I think your impression that Eira "skimmed and didn't think that intensely on posts" would actually support Eira being town.
Agree/disagree?
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In post 224, Firebringer wrote:[...]
Again. This is superficial and lazy and if you go with your reasoning one first as this person isn't trying to look town, this person is been doing that.I tend to townread lots of quick posting, Frog meets that description, and I don't see where the scum agenda is. Hoping for a textbook case of "guy who appears to be scumhunting is, in fact, scumhunting"Admitted he wanted to be seen as town in later posts when I questioned him on it, and you ignore it because "ohh he is scum hunting so he is scumhunting" I am not expecting in depth analysis but I don't expect it to be this basic for aisa from what I remember of you. This is just like let me throw out townreads and justify them later.
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I did miss this the first time around, you're right. I think it's ambiguous though, is Frog admitting he is trying to look town or is he saying he is trying to generate conversation? Frog?In post 98, Frogsterking wrote:In post 62, Firebringer wrote:there is a gut feeling i have that ur doing things right now to try to get townread that feels out of character frog.
are u really that interested in getting the game going or what
Yeah I feel like this is all accurate. I think you can probably read me pretty well.In post 63, Firebringer wrote:feels like ur doing and saying stuff to generate conversation rather than believing it in any of it
Realistically I probably need to reread Frog (already, sigh haha) to have a stronger argument here if I want to be cooperative, but I'm also wary of overthinking it. Frog is clearly the kind of player who understands vying to get townread, that was probably not fully taken into account in my assessment, but I also don't think that's massively +scum for Frog.
If the people demand it I will say more, otherwise I will leave this discussion here for now.
What do you dislike about Erynis's vote on BBT? What about its tone is off?In post 217, Solway Firth wrote:[...] As for HPE, I scumread her to reasons previously stated. I also don’t like how she voted BBT, and her tone is very off. [...]- Aisa
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In post 235, Elements wrote:I'm reading though and can't think of anything useful to say.Aah :O
Not townpoints. BBT has also asked you to talk to them about your reads.
VOTE: Elements
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The sentiment of a page 1 townlean was real, but yes, it was a joke. Not really any solving intent in that quote.In post 244, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
I read that as a joke from Aisa? Aisa, can you confirm?In post 104, Frogsterking wrote:This is probably the real point to towneead them though because they're trying to sort you here I think
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I did register that Frog's interpretation was incorrect, but townies get stuff wrong all the time, no? If anything it made me want to TR him because it seemed like the kind of slightly odd reasoning that townies sometimes have.
I've since done a quick Frog meta check and I agree they are more LAMISTy than their completed town game I checked, and I think that's concerning. Also from their scum game I clearly haven't given them enough credit and they are capable of looking like they're doing things. PLUS now that I reread Grib's post and Frog's ISO I agree the amount of posts he has without a logical process seemingly backing them is also worrying, so, yeah, back in the nullbin.
Frog scum game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88987
Frog town game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89682
I should note I haven't done any in-depth study or anything, I just looked at the amount of words and vaguely skimmed a few posts from each game.- Aisa
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It's hot off the press!In post 256, Bellaphant wrote:[...] @aisa, can I have a link to a scum game?
Public thread: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=89811
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I think I'd like to see this actually addressed:
Even though I get that TSQ is the one who brought up the point first so why wouldn't BBT reply to it etc.In post 354, Thestatusquo wrote:Ok, can you answer me this then. If you're not saying that its alignment indicative, what is your point in pointing it out using a buzz word like "overdefensive" which is frequently associated with scumminess? If you're not saying its scummy it seems an awful lot like well poisoning to me.
What are you trying to accomplish in your questions with Eirolox? Because it seems to me a lot like you're grandstanding with no particular purpose towards discerning alignment.- Aisa
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Are you asking why BBT's reaction could be town?In post 392, Grib wrote:
What part of it seems town to you, and what part of his reaction moves the needle closer to scum?In post 385, Aisa wrote:Thanks BBT ^^
I think TSQ comes out of this looking towny. Tbh I feel them getting a bit of a point. I can also see this reaction from Town!BBT, but I think it's a little scum indicative overall, sorry.
I think Town!BBT, like you, wouldn't necessarily give somebody the benefit of the doubt when pushed for a reason he thinks is bad. I think he'd jump right back onto whoever was pushing him, just like he did here.
And although BBT's initial reaction to TSQ's post looks a bit scummy, I don't think there's any point in trying to divine alignment from the fact he continued not to address TSQ's questions for about a page: I think that's something he would do as either alignment. Basically I don't think what he has posted is wholly inconsistent with him being town, there isn't a "part" of his posting that seems towny specifically.
As for what moves the needle towards scum for me, this post is worrying because I also interpreted his earlier "defensive much?" as "I think it is suspicious that Eira is so defensive".In post 353, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
I didn't even say the defensiveness was AI and anyone who has played games with me will know that I don't think defensiveness is a scum tell whatsoever. I was just surprised that the whole tone of the post was as defensive as it was.In post 351, Thestatusquo wrote:I think you have your answer.- Aisa
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Ha
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Gotta love that what seemingly unites 80% of the game is a scumread on me. I don't know if I should panic, laugh, shrug it off, or all three. Anyway, let me try to explain.
Also, while I would still like to receive my Personality Reading (TM) from Frog, I would like it to be in a spoiler so everyone else can skip it if they are not interested.
Spoiler: BBT's post
I read this again and on what was the 3rd? 4th? reread I finally wasn't trying to write a post, didn't have 5 different tabs open, and could concentrate on taking in the ~vibes~ of the post. And I sort of buy that BBT was just trying to express confusion rather than trying to shade Eira.
It's a close call and I'm unsure but also hey, at least I got that Shea was town out of the whole exchange so at least that's progress in my book.- Aisa
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(This is what I'm responding to with my previous post).In post 402, Thestatusquo wrote:
what?In post 401, Aisa wrote:Oh no scratch that maybe it was TvT. Game hard.- Aisa
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Maybe you might like to vote me or to ask me some questions?In post 403, Solway Firth wrote:
This case makes a lot of sense. I admit, I skimmed past several of Asia’s posts on the earlier pages and didn’t take the time to properly verify and analyze Aisa’s points.In post 224, Firebringer wrote:[case on Aisa]- Aisa
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Link to FB's whole case on me because that is the subject of this post. This has turned out to be a big rant - sorry. However, I also feel like I'm saying stuff that no-one else has said, so I'm still hitting that submit button.
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Also uh, in before this becomes a problem:
I actually can't tell if Fire is still sring me from these posts. But it doesn't matter, because I am the one scumcasing Fire now. In Soviet Russia, etc etcIn post 269, Firebringer wrote:im chill voting frogster- Aisa
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I think that's fairly standard for BBT, I wouldn't read much into it.In post 416, Grib wrote:[...]
I'm also not crazy about the voteswap to TSQ, since it came pretty closely after BBT was leaning into a soft townread on that slot, but that feeling is pretty weak.
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This is kind of a unique post and I want to townread it.In post 412, Bellaphant wrote:I can see what bbt was saying though? Tsq kinda jumped on a thing and then was like 'haha you did a thing' when he responded. It felt like siblings more than s v s or s v t. I don't think tsq is scummy for what they did and I feel they believe in it, I still think it's lame and weird.Same and same!
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Did someone say my name? ^^
I'm so scared! :cIn post 454, Enchant wrote:Either way i am not sure, but pushing Aisa is still my priority
What can I do to prove my towniness to you?
I don't think I contradicted myself. I genuinely did not notice or remember reading that Frog admitted to trying to look towny (remember it's arguable he said something else, but let's move on) and for you not to acknowledge that feels like you are misrepresenting me a bit.In post 428, Firebringer wrote:
it wasn't just surface level. it made no sense and when you later justified it. You self contradicted yourself, which isn't scummy itself. It just looks like ur trying to justify a read that made no sense which frankly why as scum do u need to do and u just go with this route of saying its just early feelings.In post 420, Aisa wrote:You criticised my page 1-2 read for being "surface level". What else do you expect? It's not like I presented it as anything different.
You said my argument was shallow and did the "I expected better quality from you" thing. Hey, I mean, maybe you're right and there's some sort of difference from my usual play that I cannot perceive. But I actually feel like I am the same Aisa as ever, and behind the quick-and-dirty "I tend to townread lots of quick posting" I did stop, reassess, and decide that I still wanted to stand by that tell.
also theres lots of stuff shea is throwing out about BBT and i skimmed and should address it but tbh im just not that into it.
Hawtter than Fire though?In post 425, Firebringer wrote:hawt- Aisa
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Can someone talk to me about Fire? I think I've seen some townreads thrown around, but I'm not sure I've seen them explained and I feel like that would be helpful. Alternatively, what do people think of my case?
What part of my meta on Frog did you disagree with?In post 356, Elements wrote:5 and 228 both ping me. The meta on Frog is eh at best and comes to a conclusion I disagree with. I wanted to have my vote on someone.
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@Not_MafiaIn post 83, Not_Mafia wrote:I'm vengeful, I promise not to venge you if you vote me
Who will you venge after we vote you off?In post 216, Not_Mafia wrote:Yeah let's just vote me off- Aisa
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IIRC I looked at a couple of your past games while we were playing together in C9++, so I think the impression I have of your play may be from meta'ing you then?In post 459, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
This makes me uncomfortable, I'm not sure we've played together enough for you to be able to say that?In post 421, Aisa wrote:
I think that's fairly standard for BBT, I wouldn't read much into it.In post 416, Grib wrote:[...]
I'm also not crazy about the voteswap to TSQ, since it came pretty closely after BBT was leaning into a soft townread on that slot, but that feeling is pretty weak.
I acknowledge I probably came off like we've played together more than we actually have, though. Apologies.
Sure, but why?In post 460, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
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Oh no, I also think the firebreather may be town after that round of posting.
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Ah right, rereading my own post you're right and it didn't come across as much of a scumcase. In its first draft I think it would have been more obviously a case. Then I was like "oh no why am I treating Fire like confirmed scum". So I changed it in an effort to be cooperative.
I don't think I will reply to the rest of your points in gory detail unless someone else wants me to, as I have a feeling we could go back and forth the whole Day. I appreciate you engaging with me though.
I think this is an understandable thing to townread and I do similar things sometimes, but I disagree those specific posts would have been difficult to make as scum.In post 466, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Fire's first 3 posts feel extrenely genuine and I have a hard time seeing them coming from scum.- Aisa
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I want to put HPE in my towncore. I agreed with whoever said it was "blowing with the wind" and in some sense it still feels like an apt description in that often Erinys goes with a point someone else brought up first. However, even when all it is doing is arguably sheeping someone else's read it explains its thought process in a way that feels pretty reasonable. The explanations are really helpful and make it sound like its reads are real.
Beyond that, I feel a bit lost. There is a world in which the scumteam is something like Not_Mafia, Enchant, and Solway Firth, and if we are in that world I am still doing alright. If we are not in that world, however, then I am fast running out of people to scumread. Even Elements feels kinda like good vibes, although obviously my brain is telling me I'd be a fool to townlock her for, uh, being generally unable to explain her read on me.
I guess it could be some of BBT/Bella/Frog, and who knows what alignment Fire is, but ugh.
Maybe I'll just chill on the Frog wagon for a while. VOTE: Frogsterking- Aisa
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BBT: Urrggghhhh this moment probably had to come sooner or later but I was hoping it would be later.
I still think Eiralox is probably town. It did cross my mind yesterday that if they're not then I'm making an absolute fool of myself. I tried looking for a scum game but didn't find any.
Things that might make me think they're scum eventually: admittedly they could be hiding and looking like they're doing things by sheeping a lot of the things I say. However, I feel that this is mitigated by the fact they've produced some independent content e.g. by talking to you by now.
Evidence that makes me think they're town that I haven't commented on yet: the promising to elaborate on a read and then needing at least a couple of real-life days to do is something I've seen them do before as town.
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Why do you think Enchant is Town, Frogster?
You're such an agent of chaos xxIn post 539, Firebringer wrote:ill throw Elements and Solway townreads too. Why not
lol u wishIn post 541, Firebringer wrote:aisa lets have a power session next time ur on. Since no one wants to engage me on my points on you, might as well sort it out and fight. Lets clog up this thread so no one can ignore my gr8 points- Aisa
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I'd also be interested in Solway's readslist. It doesn't have to be long or thought-out, it doesn't even have to include everyone, it can literally just be a list of gutreads.
What is this meta?In post 548, Frogsterking wrote:
I'm shamelessly and fearlessly abusing metaIn post 546, Aisa wrote:Why do you think Enchant is Town, Frogster?- Aisa
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That's a very good explanation of why you're confused.
If we were 1 hour from the deadline I would be willing to wagon, hammer, double-hammer, triple-nuke-hammer anyone including myself. If we were 2 days from the deadline I'd look at like, the top two wagons and pick my favourite. We're 4 days from the deadline which means that realistically we're actually not in *that* much danger, but I wanted to start ramping up the rhetoric around finding a consensus because hopefully, by the time we are at the deadline, we will actually have a decent elimination rather than whatever poor soul we felt like panic-flash-wagoning at the time.
There's also the fact that your pick just happened to be unfortunate because I'd feel bad about voting BBT *right now* specifically because, aside from your case, which I've been over, I couldn't tell you something I find scummy about him, I just find him hard to read and would be scared of townreading him without a lot of evidence. But also maybe I'm still being unfair because if you poke around you'll find that I have more townreads-I'm-not-willing-to-wagon than average this game.
But also, uh, you're right, maybe I'm being a bit too conservative. I don't know if this does anything since maybe I have killed any pretense of pressure with this post and my previous one, but have this as a show of good faith:
VOTE: BBT
I guess BBT said he'll be looking at the game soon, so let's say that I will commit to seeing what he comes up with and decide whether to leave my vote here or not based on what he says ^^
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Solway sorry but can you try to answer any of my questions / invitations to comment on something? ISO me and ctrl+f "Solway" and it should bring up two or three things.
I'm finding it hard to read you as you're usually posting about things that happened quite a while ago, which isn't necessarily your fault, but also yeah- Aisa
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Okay, Solway, it turns out you weren'tactuallyanswering any of my questions in 576. I was correct about that in 577. Then I went and made a mess of everything with 579 and 580.
But you've since been answering my questions, so we're good!
Also, maybe I'm underestimating how much mafia experience you have, but way to town it up in the space of about 10 minutes.
I will now exile myself from the thread for the night before I make 30 more posts. Bye~- Aisa
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:heart-eyes:In post 728, Enchant wrote:I am in good mood, so i will answer on one question, before i go to sleep
Life as Enchant sure sounds nice. Can we switch accounts for 24 hours?
State one scumread with at least one sentence of justification?- Aisa
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Yes, but I'm not sure why you would think that's a good case?In post 739, Solway Firth wrote:
Why is that even remotely scummyIn post 735, Aisa wrote:...Why would you sheep BBT's read on Bella if they're your top scumread?
VOTE: Solway Firth
BBT says he has a meta read on Bella
Idc if BBT is my top scumread, if he presents a good case as to why someone is town or scum and I agree with it I’ll sheep it
It’s not like if scum is townreading someone that means their townread is automatically scum
It may be good from BBT's perspective, but I don't understand how you could form a judgment on the words "Bella was to the point with early reads and that is more likely coming from town!Bella" without being familiar with Bella.
In post 738, Enchant wrote:In post 731, Aisa wrote:
:heart-eyes:In post 728, Enchant wrote:I am in good mood, so i will answer on one question, before i go to sleep
Life as Enchant sure sounds nice. Can we switch accounts for 24 hours?
State one scumread with at least one sentence of justification?
Yes, why not.
I don't think anyone have "practical reason" to scumread someone, as it's day 1. Go prove to me how you have "analysed scum percentages", but i for example don't know how to play d1.
I push you only because i can and want to see how it ends up. And partly because you stole my hammer. And because of unvoting. Don't do it again, or i will not forgive you next time (unless i forget)Fab.
This feels a bit deflective, it's not an actual answer to my question. I'm not asking for you to have solved the game on Day 1, I just wanna see where your head's at.
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I don't really know what to say anymore. I've done the staring at BBT's words and still have no idea what I'm looking at. Maybe solway is trolling, maybe not. It seems like a fine wagon to stay on for a night X_X
I'm going to degrade HPE and Grib to only slight townleans as I've been calling a lot of people town and think I could use a few more options in my PoE to play with.
I do want to point out that I agree with this meta of Enchant and I think they haven't been doing that much. I get the feeling they're trying to give off "haha I'm so fluffy and goofy" vibes, but if you ISO them there really isn't much to indicate they are engaged with the game at all. Wouldn't mind an Enchant wagon. If someone wants one let me know and I will happily join.In post 448, Thestatusquo wrote:
I ask simply because my understanding of enchant's meta is that when they're not doing anything they're way more likely to be scum.In post 446, Eiralox wrote:i mean i like enchant, from the little we've interacted so : P I want an answer for why Enchant is on Asia, but i'm ok if folk aren't as active day ones..... the one doesn't cancel the other, and me liking enchant doesn't mean i'm not holding open the possibility that they're scum.... they're pretty much null to me, but i want them to peek in and change my mind >.>
So it seemed a curious person to say that about in particular.
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Yeah Grib hasn't actually explained why they "don't want" to vote BBT, just said that TSQ's catch is not strong. Though that's pretty similar to the reason I feel bad voting BBT, so ??? maybe Grib is still town.
Given the little-to-no interest for an Enchant wagon I will abandon that idea for now. By the way, I agree Ench is not necessarily the easiest to read, but I wouldn't have suggested a wagon there if I didn't seriously feel they could be scum. I have no interest in starting a N_M wagon right now, for example.
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Whyshould be voting Solway Firth if you are not doing so already! Great timing, Grib.you
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1. This apparent contradiction between his scumreading BBT and deciding to sheep the read on Bella. This is an instant classic, a must-include in any Solway case between now and the end of this game.
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2. This "what's scummy about this?" reaction seems scum-indicative to me. If Solway is Town, there is some chance he has an actual thought process behind the questioned posts and that he decides the make that thought process explicit when asked about it. We're not in that universe, so, yeah.
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3. He seems focused on stating and commenting on scumreads. ISO him and you'll see what I mean. I think there may exist a certain brand of not-very-experienced scum player who feels the need to Fake Scumreads and Achieve Miseliminations. This possibility may be supported by his tone in posts such as the quoted one: his tone feels quite controlled, as opposed, to, say, "I think BBT might be scum". ...I feel like I'm reaching a bit here, YMMV.
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The posts leading up to his stated sread of BBT seem somewhat uncharitable. I agree there's nothing BBT couldn't have made up in his read on Bella, but a more usual town reaction might be "huh? what is this?" imo. BBT's post specifically reads "consider me pocketedagain", so I think it would be fairly clear even to someone not familiar with site culture that what's happening here is that two players are familiar with each other. The progression from "BBT is faking this read" to "oh I will sheep this with low certainty" feels, uh, possibly disingenuous.
I could be wrong if this is just Solway's personality, but, uh, that's always how it is I guess. I also think that if Solway is scum they've shown some skill in responding to pressure and answering questions, but this is true of almost everyone in this game, so the bar for what is a convincing, towny response is raised.
Finally, let me drive my point home with a good old meme ^^
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You've failed to consider that both Enchant and Not Mafia (who is another player who likes to hammer things, for those out of the loop) are already on my wagon I'll claim if and when I get to E-1.In post 822, Thestatusquo wrote:I'll jump onto aisa though because thats a thing we agree on.
VOTE: Aisa
You should probably consider claiming because if we put you to L-1 enchant will just hammer, so this is L-2 but functionally L-1.
I don't want to go down gently. Is there anything you'd like me to comment on?
P-edit: I fully support your Firebringer enemies-to-lovers arc though
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@TSQ, I think I'll go for these three. Bear in mind POE is the main reason; everyone else has just felt townier to me:
1. Solway. I've written a whole case about him and his responses since don't make me feel like changing my mind, really. To me they feel consistent with scum who just thinks they're caught and is making a token last attempt at explaining a contradiction away.
2. Frog. I guess I've come around to this after half the playerlist has been pointing out that Frog is not necessarily town. I haven't really thought about this slot much because the wagon fizzled out (partly because I moved my vote, rip), but like, he's on my list for tomorrow. I get the feeling he might be lying low.
3. Enchant. He just doesn't seem that engaged in the game. IIRC the most deep analysis he's had today is criticising someone's logic for asking him to explain something. idk, I feel like town!Chant could be doing a bit more even if it's just Day 1.
Maybe swap in BBT or one of the other lower content slots?
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HPE: wouldn't be shocked if it were scum but probably slight townlean. Still for a similar reason to what I stated. They seem kinda focused on explaining their reasoning and thought process and I'm not sure a newer scum player would bother doing all that?In post 829, Thestatusquo wrote:[...]
What do you think of the following people in addition:
HPE, Grib, Eiralox.
Grib: wouldn't be shocked if they were scum but probably slight townlean. They seem sort of reasonable and level headed, but nothing that would be impossible to fake, I guess. There's also the fact we keep mindmelding, but both times I've previously thought I mindmelded with someone that someone turned out to be scum, so uh, not sure what to do about it
Eira: this still is one of my most confident townreads. Reasoning hasn't really changed. It's kind of a meta read - sorry. The tone fits with what I've seen. Call it *vibes*. I don't think they have much of an agenda, why would they sheep me for most of the day otherwise?
Although this is a good moment to point out that Eira, I don't think continuing to say you'll elaborating on me and then not elaborating is helping either of us, so if you could spare a few moments to do that quick explanation it would be appreciated
That did cross my mind, but I remember being really sure that he was town after that discussion with BBT. A read worth reconsidering tomorrow if I live until then, but for now I will just sheep past!Aisa and assume TSQ is town.In post 834, Grib wrote:
That's because he's more interested in sussing out your role rather than your alignment.In post 828, Aisa wrote: You've failed to consider that both Enchant and Not Mafia (who is another player who likes to hammer things, for those out of the loop) are already on my wagon I'll claim if and when I get to E-1.- Aisa
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Thanks, BBT. I love this and I hate this xxIn post 840, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Aisa is town because Eira is scum if anyone is interested
I think you tr every wagon other than Solway at the moment, is that right? Want to talk to me about why you're not voting Solway yet? Or anything else, for that matter?In post 817, Bellaphant wrote:Random catch up stuff:
I've looked back at hpe and some of the wishy washyness I fel about its reads might be because of its posting style. Im not seeing what I was. I'm not loving the throwing around of votes but again it might be a style thing.
Re: bbt and lost - I was saying that in that game you collected scum reads for some fairly poor reasons, and you were town. A consensus scum read on you is a really easy place for scum to hide. I personally think you get more readable as either alingment the further we go in the game. You played with klick recently as town and he thought you were scum but by mid game I was like 'no, town'.
Re: enchant, nm and eir
I've never read nm as scum when he's town. I'm not getting that here.
Enchant is a slot I wouldn't want to elim today.
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