Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

[Krazy]

So what sort of game osts?

Superchilll like...

Spoiler:

or more like

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and when you say techno do you mean like this?

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or more like

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[Krazy]

I'm literally spending hours catching up on this game. Please, just include it in another post.

I'm not entirely sure how like one off-topic post interferes with your ability to do a catchup on the intervening 60 pages? Like I'm interested in what you're saying. I know I asked about TheBrie but my questions and other comments will still be here when you finish so I'm not trying to nuke your momentum. Just do what you gotta do man

[Krazy]

Take him into your arms and love him forever, Ank

And when you do let me know why Nancy didn't make his list

[Krazy]

I'm still in the mindset that if we're going with scenario 2 it's actually better strategically to not give reads in pre-dance,

SS you might want to read my early iso and bear in mind that Vedith is paired with Firebringer and Firebringer is the 8-coin lady

that being said I agree that it is best not to be clear about the exact hierarchy of your top townreads

however, you should be very focused on your bottom 3 gentlemen and your bottom 2 ladies since that will be the primary focus of discussion for dance 1, and there is no reason not to discuss them

so it's not "don't talk reads" it's "don't specify in your top 4 dudes and top 4 girls who is locktown and who is townlean" unless you have a good reason to

[Krazy]

the hopeless romantic in me wants to agree to that but the rational part of me if slapping that other part of me down to the ground

you might want to sleep on it although, given I've been listening to his recommendation of music from 2093, I'm liking Pvt on a personal level right now

I mean my read isn't more solid but he seems like a cool guy regardless of alignment

[Krazy]

Pvt could you expand on which posts pinged your gut for PB?

[Krazy]

Right, sorry was looking back at your reads list.

Who is your current bottom 2 ladies/bottom 3 gents?

[Krazy]

(expired on 2019-02-10 04:16:03)

Then don't make a decision until that timer expires.

Let the town give their impressions of the pairing, etc. Etc.

[Krazy]

that's actually a fair question pvt

can someone double check this is the actual deadline for predance? fakegod didn't do a countdown so I just headmath'd it but I'm also about to pass out and might be off a day or something
(expired on 2019-02-13 14:06:10)

[Krazy]

account mechanics into reads personally

you mean like coin counts? or do you mean the mech discussions people had? sorry not sure of the question here

[Krazy]

Spoiler:

PvtUrist
RadiantCowbells
Allomancer
DoubtingThomas
Alisae
Gamma Emerald
Pink Ball

I'm kinda thinking this list holds all three scum

Nancy are you around for mind melding

Sure, shoot.

I came around to you being town
Taly looks really town
Krazy I'm coming around on a bit but he's still in my paranoia list
Vedith is probably town
Firebringer is probably town
Moment is probably town
TheBrie is probably town via gamestate
Dr Worm is probably town

Uhhhhh... Did I miss anyone?

Guess it's a good time to think carefully about that Pvturist poe inclusion huh?

Uhh, I like your reads, there are some I want to talk to you about but I want those players to post certain things first so I'd rather focus on the players for now rather than poke you about your list. The ones I feel like we are out of sync on are ones where I feel like I want more content from the player anyway

[Krazy]

Why is the Sun yellow?

Our eyes interpret radiation along a particular spectrum, and our brain sorts the interpretation of that visual data into certain ranges, with those ranges being heavily determined by our culture. But the sun is not, in a sense, yellow--yellow is the color it emits, and in that sense the sun is every color except yellow.

[Krazy]

well he's playing with my heart

so he's not playing fair

stick with the countdown and get some sleep

[Krazy]

my culture says the sun is yellow and something smart is town.
If u question u are going to start a culture war and I will burn u krazy

as tempting as that sounds, I am about to pass out myself

good night

[Krazy]

I truly don't believe that Krazy takes a viewpoint that it's good for me to come to second dance as town

Maybe I'm seeing misplaced negativity that should take be there

Bear in mind I've had pretty good games with you on a stealth alt so if you're assuming I should be pushing you because you think I dislike you, you would be mistaken. Although no, I was not thrilled with your scum tactics in red flag, but that only matters if you rolled scum here.

Additionally, I have currently a 3/3 rate for early game reads on you. I have correctly sorted you in every game I have played with you where I did not know your alignment. What we have struggled with is working together (and you not advocating your own lynch, ie epic duel)

[Krazy]

My concern with nd/rc initially was that they do not survive intermission

But I've been warming to the idea, particularly since nancy is still getting at least some shade

Still it seems risky

[Krazy]

I truly don't believe that Krazy takes a viewpoint that it's good for me to come to second dance as town

Maybe I'm seeing misplaced negativity that should take be there

Bear in mind I've had pretty good games with you on a stealth alt so if you're assuming I should be pushing you because you think I dislike you, you would be mistaken. Although no, I was not thrilled with your scum tactics in red flag, but that only matters if you rolled scum here.

Additionally, I have currently a 3/3 rate for early game reads on you. I have correctly sorted you in every game I have played with you where I did not know your alignment. What we have struggled with is working together (and you not advocating your own lynch, ie epic duel)

I'm not taking personal. Strictly business. Do you really want me paired with someone who gives me a fairly easy walk to endgame if we both survive?

We will have to agree to disagree on your equity reading me, there are a lot of people over the years who have asserted that ability and all have failed the acid test of actually taking games off me

I never said I could get you lynched lol

I read you as scum in red flag and then replaced out because I can't stand your scum play.

So I haven't beaten one of your scum teams yet and I'm not even saying I could, I just have no reason yer to doubt my ability to sort you individually

[Krazy]

Krazy what are your reads rn and why? I want all of them and substantial explanation.

I don't think my list from a while back has dramatically shifted. Alisae scumlean, thebrie null but lowest no so default to null-scum, still thinking about pb

Worm went up a bit, still working on bottom gent order, dt kinda sitting at the bottom with moment but I kinda doubt they're both scum and aren't even feeling great I have 1 in the 2, just a poe basically

How are you on reads rn? Who is your bottom ladies/gents?

[Krazy]

I don't trust Nancy to leave someone unless she actually wants to. She is the most stubborn player here.

I just think nancy is more useful sorting someone in a pt who is less town than herself

But there is merit in pairing her with someone that will give her high wim

[Krazy]

If I can soak up the nightkill I've done my job

If scum thinks some other pairing is unlynchable whereas I can be paranoia fucked to death then maybe I won't.

Yeah, bear in mind tho I would prefer if one of you and nancy is alive in dance 2

I don't want to pair you with nancy because that is like asking nancy to probably die

[Krazy]

I would support ank/rc tbh

Not sure either is that into it tho and I dont want to fuck with wim

[Krazy]

Alright im gonna take a shower and have some breakfast and then see what all I missed last night

[Krazy]

Okay not sure how far you wanted me to read but I disagree with both suggestions. Even if skipping the first dance is technically optimal, in practice 8 days is not enough time to solve a game.

And town's pre-dance reads are not going to be worth very much, so I think it's much more important that each person get a partner they can read, so they know when to leave the dance, or more importantly when NOT to leave the dance.

Both of these points seem false, and I'm not sure what it tells me about S_S's alignment here but it doesn't make me feel better about that slot

-Long deadlines tend to favor scum more than town
-In Halloweens' Ball, the solve was primarily determined in pre-dance, so it's not like it can't happen

I think treating dance 2 like a blitz is still fine, although again, if we get a red flip early in dance 1 we can actually play it out from there without worrying about vedith nearly as much

[Krazy]

How the hell is Alisae scummy?!?

Fire can you expand on what you townread from Alisae?

[Krazy]

Moment, TheBrie, SS, Pvturists

can you talk more on Moment and Pvt when you get a chance

I believe the scumteam is random,

SS might be scum

If I did I'd have joined a blitz game

you joined a game that MUST end within 26 days, and that usually ends in around 20. Right now this game is likely to match that within 2 days, if Dance 1 goes at the pace I have proposed it go at. I am not asking you to solve the game in 8 days, I'm asking you to solve it in 18.

[Krazy]

What is the pace you currently think Dance 1 should go at?

Unless we get a red flip in the pre-dance exclusion, I think the first lynch should happen within 12 hours of daybreak.

[Krazy]

How often do you think we should utilize lynching versus leaving?

ask firebringer

we should always lynch

and that is definitely something that will not happen

[Krazy]

no no no no no why

because, the longer dance 1 goes, if the potential lynches are clear but not resolved, then scum has more motivation for a potential scenario of 1-2 bottom gents of juking the lynches, if there are two

we've been over this; it is not necessarily a common case that there will be two low-ranked scum gents, but if town is playing well there very well could be

dance 1 should be resolved while the whole town is at full attention and played somewhat like a blitz

scum wincon is getting their third in the best position possible usually

[Krazy]

Gents Unstructured top 5: Krazy, RC, Dannflor, Dr Worm, PvtUrist
Gents somewhat structured bottom 4:
Allomancer
Vedith
Moment
DoubtingThomas

Ladies unstructured top 5: Ankamius, Firebringer, Nancy Drew 39, Gamma Emerald, Taly
Ladies somewhat structured bottom 3:
Pink Ball
TheBrie
Something_Smart

[Krazy]

I don't want to pair with someone with decent wolf equity

If you think you're going to get paranoia lynched then wouldn't Ank/RC make a decent tier 3 or tier 4 pairing? I'm not really hard pushing this, just trying to get your thought process. I still kinda feel like you think you're playing Witches Ball when that might not actually be the best way to approach the setup this time

[Krazy]

PvtUrist

guess if anyone has meta here -- does anyone know if Pvt prefers playing scum?

[Krazy]

I don't think I get paranoia lynched

I do think I potentially have my partner walk out on me

I think that I'm objectively a Towny player as town and wasting the +equity that gives because I have a good scum game that people may end up scared of is the worse play if I play this setup 50 times In a row in terms of average winrate

ok then talk to me about Ank

she's not in your bottom 4 afaik but how much wolf equity do you see in her and why?

[Krazy]

You're not helping their case that I'm gonna pocket you lol

this is directed to Nancy?

[Krazy]

Why are PB and DT so low?

cause other people are higher, in the case of PB. As I mentioned, I'm leaning 2 gents/1 lady given my range of townreads in the ladies

DT might be a playstyle thing, it's just hard for me to see solving in the terse little responses

[Krazy]

I'm struggling to think of two posting styles more different than mastina and Nancy lol

[Krazy]

So actually, it is kind of surprising that there's

never

been a team like that.

if you flip scum I'm adding this to the "does anyone ever REALLY scumslip" thread

[Krazy]

ok then talk to me about Ank

she's not in your bottom 4 afaik but how much wolf equity do you see in her and why?

@RC

if you're still thinking that's G just didn't wasn't sure if you'd missed it

[Krazy]

Also what does WIM mean?

'want it more'; it's a metric of your desire to win the game, which is pretty important in fast-paced games (well, any game really, but even moreso in fast games)

[Krazy]

'want it more'; it's a metric of your desire to win the game, which is pretty important in fast-paced games (well, any game really, but even moreso in fast games)

for instance, my WIM is why I want to pair with you lol

[Krazy]

WHY do THINK RC-NANCERY is good PARTNERSHIP if NANCERY has never played with SCUMRADIENTCOWBALLS?!?!

I mean, I don't think RC/Nancy is the best for gamewin or gamesolve

I just don't want Nancy giving up because she doesn't like her dance partner

I'd still personally prefer something like Nancy/Dann, RC/Ank, I just don't think I have any traction there and I'm not going to force it

[Krazy]

I don't townread ankamius and I'm going to be hard angling to kill her in first dance while I'm definitively alive to make it happen tbh

All my other wolfread aren't going to endgsney

I'm gonna assume it's also a no but Gamma?

[Krazy]

Your Taly read is kinda unexplained and there are some holes in your reads right now

[Krazy]

I don't think that unexplained reads are scumtells

How do you define 'holes'

search your iso for "Gamma"

[Krazy]

I don't think that unexplained reads are scumtells

I don't think I accused you of being scum so this is kind of an odd statement

[Krazy]

I'm not sure what town or scum me is supposed to get out of not pairing ND

town you gets Nancy Drew alive second dance to be partnered with a townpair you're confident in

I guess I don't get why you're acting like you will definitely be alive second dance or why you want to be paired with someone who is widely townread

in halloween's ball you picked someone that you thought was being unfairly scumread and thus the scum nightkill was focused on you and that player was prevented from being mislynched

so I don't see why it feels like you are shifting strategies when you had one that worked well I guess

[Krazy]

I picked someone who was 100% town and I picked them early because I saw they were getting upset and I wanted to keep them happy.

ok that's fair, and as I said, if Nancy is just uninterested in a different dance partner that's fair

I just don't think it's wise to put all our eggs in one basket, but I'm not like deathly opposed to this

although I would like to see you sort Gamma since I'd just like your opinion on that slot regardless of other matters

[Krazy]

I certainly don't think it's a good idea for everyone to try to pair up with someone they townread.

I mean the pairings should be informed by some kind of read otherwise the pre-dance is uninformative for town

This is like the 4th thing you've said now that seemed ??? btw

[Krazy]

I don't consider it putting all our eggs in one basket

that's fair, I guess it's just for me you're two players I have a lot of familiarity with and two players whose reads I take seriously so losing both of you would be bad for me personally in second dance

[Krazy]

Wilfully or not you're misunderstanding him.

yeah I was, although the second part about scumreads being paired with scumreads being awkward for scum seems false

[Krazy]

Why 12 hours, specifically?

so that there isn't a gamestate where it is possible or likely for only scum + mod to be online

[Krazy]

Yeah but didn't House basically just ignore Fire/Gamma

I mean maybe that's awkward or maybe I'm misremembering, but I don't remember it being a huge issue for a scumteam. Maybe it was in previous runs that are further from memory

[Krazy]

Like the statement is not scummy or weird at all fmpov and I can't see eye to eye with you on making it either

that's okay, I'd be pretty worried if we saw eye to eye on everything this game lol

[Krazy]

Do you equate ??? with scum and if so, why?

they can be if they're the majority of what I'm seeing from you

do you have reads yet? preferred bottom 3 gents/bottom 2 ladies?

[Krazy]

@Krazy for one, seems to townlean him here. Right?

I give his scumgame enough credit that I think it's worth sorting him and getting a feel for his thought process but he hasn't moved from my top bracket, no.

[Krazy]

How do you have Taly so low?

I said "unstructured"

[Krazy]

Why?

tonal read/mindmeld both point in a town direction

[Krazy]

Haven't we disagreed on virtually everything

not really, and not compared to your scumgame

[Krazy]

Spoiler:

I have a lot of townreads

Feelsgoodman

TBH

I haven't even read NDS iso

I'm just assuming she's villa based on how you've described her which sounds a lot like her villa game

I wolfread SS.

I feel bad about alibae

I townread DT pretty hard before I looked at his iso in depth, pulling that read back and saying I really don't know.

Alisae was null

SS is scummy

Moment, TheBrie, SS, Pvturists are my strongest wolf reads as of right now. I'm very uncomfortable with how closely that aligns with sorting by post count. Hopefully one of them does something to show me that I'm wrong?

Taly I think is most likely village!

Dannflor iso is fakeable but definitely veers heavily to town

Anyone hav scum dannflor meta?

There's some points of non-sync here but the points of non-sync are places where I'm second guessing myself anyway or feel like I can see where you're coming from

compared to your scumgame this much overlap makes me feel pretty ok with my read on you

[Krazy]

Yeah, I will definitely leave if I don’t get a partner I like.

I guess with Dann I was also hoping you might just enjoy the challenge of sorting him in the PT and getting to the point you can feel confident in your read there

kinda goes back to "I'd prefer you in a PT with someone where you're both solving and sorting"

but maybe I'm just asking too much, idk

[Krazy]

I would support ank/rc tbh

Not sure either is that into it tho and I dont want to fuck with wim

I think hell will freeze over first.

damn global warming is affecting all kinds of places

[Krazy]

Pvt is gonna be a little pissed I think tho

I feel a bit bad about the countdown thing... but not too bad?

[Krazy]

PB is a lady, Dann

[Krazy]

No, that is not true at all. Sakura was obvtown in that.

I thought you didn't even read what happened before your replace in lol

[Krazy]

[Krazy]

Like I will 100% leave, then pair with moment, even if I townread him.

Nancy this is a bit extreme even for you

like if Moment is just going to be completely inactive in your PT, like he is in thread, why wouldn't you just continue sorting and playing the game?

I'm not advocating nancy/moment btw I just don't get why you keep using "I will leave" as like a broadsword for pairings

why not just keep focusing on sorting pvt and allo and dann and getting to a point you feel good about your pairing?

[Krazy]

Krazy what do you think

Who are the optional pairs for who is left

still not hating dann/nancy tbh, although without going into further detail I should preface that I am -1/1 for reading dann's scumgame, which is partly why I was hoping nancy would sort dann and was hoping to get some input from RC and you on that

[Krazy]

Imagine a world

of Dr. Worm and Gamma Emerald

[Krazy]

Imagine a world

of Dr. Worm and Gamma Emerald

*crossover themesong of pokemon and earthworm jim plays*

[Krazy]

What don't you like about them Taly?

[Krazy]

So, should I just leave now or later?

why are you browbeating me with this

you of all people might be able to guess why I might want to try sharing a PT with Taly

I think you're awesome Nancy but I need to see your thought process about the other gentlemen outside of "do I like them on a personal level"

[Krazy]

I’m not “browbeating” you with anything but you’re the one who pushed Ank and RC together, so don’t you dare pull that on me.

If you seriously think I can force RC to do anything he doesn't want to do...

[Krazy]

Taly are you home?

[Krazy]

Makes it so I don't have to keep ankamius alive until final eight

I'm not sure if I'm parsing this sentence correctly or getting the exact subtext since it seems at odds with what has been said since

[Krazy]

Ask me? I’m kind of pissed at Krazy rn for his double standards.

how is this a double standard

I am asking you to help me sort Dann

I am asking myself to help you sort Taly

you only think it's a double standard from your point of view because you like taly as town more than I like dann as town

but the reality is that I continue to want to feel strong in my sort of taly and think I would enjoy sorting there, and I don't see why you have so little interest in trying to solidify a sort of dann, when sorting dann is really important to a solve, and the townreads thrown at Taly--as anyone has observed--have been given way too easily

I don't want us paired because I trust your reads, I trust my read of you, and I want one of the two of us to win this game for town

me dancing with you at this point would be me throwing up my hands at this game and giving up on a solve

[Krazy]

Nancy, I suggested Ank/RC because I was proposing it as a final 10 pairing.

So saying I suggested RC pair Ank for them to divebomb each other is unfair.

[Krazy]

Have you considered accepting?

I think my original reasoning still holds true

[Krazy]

So how's the reads list coming?

[Krazy]

Taly that's fine but I will at some point need you to talk more about your bottom two ladies and bottom 3 gents.

[Krazy]

Can you expand on the stakes of this argument

I thought he was the one threatening to leave you

cause otherwise I'm right now pretty exhausted being dragged along by Taly and I'm almost to the point of getting pissed with Nancy so I would otherwise like to take a break from this game for the day

My read on RC is not 100%, he's a decent lean and I don't want him gone dance 1. That's basically it. That's all I got anyway.

[Krazy]

Taly any progress on bottom two ladies/bottom three gents? Given a few people listed Allo as their top fos, and he has offered a dance to Brie, do you feel Allo should be paired?

[Krazy]

I want Gamma paired and I have no idea which gent would work for her given she's clearly been struggling to keep up/engage with the game. I'm not sure if that means we should pair her with someone quiet who is also working on catchups like moment, or someone that might help her keep track of what's going on... like... idk Pvt?

My tonal townreads on Gamma can be wrong though, but I'm still feeling pretty decent about her this game albeit off a low sample size of posts.

[Krazy]

I luv u too Ank :3

[Krazy]

So Ank, your meta on Gamma isn't too bad, but if you even remember Ircher's game, I correctly made the argument that she is *typically more engaged as scum*.

That being said, I have seen Gamma bring some strong reasoning as town and I have seen Gamma flake out as scum. Generally her mood has a lot more to do with gamestate/team than it does her alignment. So I'm inclined to call that NAI.

I think it's more useful to analyze her based on her relevant thoughts about the game in question and the quality of those thoughts--and you are welcome to scumcase those

but let me look at her iso and see if I can remember what I liked

[Krazy]

Actually I went to towncase Gamma and realized this read is more complicated than I thought lol

I think I can see where the skepticism of this slot is coming from

Spoiler: Gamma's Iso in Review -- long

Shit you have a car?!?!!?? You should've started with that!

Maybe we can go to McDonalds after my

date

dance with Nancy,

Mate.

Eugh this feels mildly squicky, why the mate at the end.
Could just be reacting like Donna does here though.

I think Gamma does a lot more emphatic skepticism of non-issues as scum so this is actually mildly concerning

First dance will end if there are 12 players or fewer left alive or deadline is reached.

So I'm just rereading the ruleset

uh, do we just do nothing first dance?

Sorry I was about to vomit out some setup stuff that hinged around how much I hate the coins and then I realized simply not lynching anyone was an option.

Or alternatively,

@FakeGod, is No Lynch an option for first dance?

I don't know how to feel about this, weren't you in the last one Krazy?

I've been thinking about whether I like this question or not and actually I think it's fine, although it's a bit funny given the questions below

Oh boy so the IC is deferred to later. That's interesting and negates the chance of it getting killed. I like.

funny considering she just gave me shit about asking about NL BUT I don't think this makes her scummy, I just find it amusing

However, given that a mountainous in dance 2 can be really exhausting for town, I do think there is merit in going with at least some of the logic of scenario 2 -- have the top 4 coin ladies choose a man they townread that they can enjoy solving with or enjoy sorting rather than having it be over-determined by group consensus

Reminder that deadline doesn't reset off a lynch in Dance 2
So with that plan we'd have 8 days to sort 14 players

This is the main post that I've been townreading Gamma for. I wish it was more about a player's alignment but I don't recall Gamma getting as much into pro-town setup spec as scum in my memory

So basically, top 4 coin ladies still get to pick their partners. *town does not pick for them*, but *town can by consensus reject a pairing*?

That is, top 4 ladies just have 1 extra step.

1. Dude offers
2. If Lady likes the dude, Lady asks, "who all scumreads this guy?"
3. If it's less than half the town, she accepts. She only rejects if more than half the town rejects the pairing

whereas the other 4 ladies are just like
1. Dude offers
2. Lady decides

something like that?

If we do this let the wealthy ones pick first for wider selection.

more pro-town thought processes although this one is kinda obvious/easy

Gamma no, you’re better than that. You’re going to allow this rogue to disrespect you like this?

Don't listen to her! You're not better than that!

waow
Someone is desperate. Don't think I like that in a man.

seems fine

also i just got a pagetop and i didnt realize it ^
haha

HUH?

This is another very minor ping for me just because I do feel like Gamma gets hung up on random shit more as scum

I feel like everyone is ignoring me rn which concerns me

NAI

Could you not spam the thread
FOR FIVE MINUTES?

NAI

This has officially bypassed what I'm capable of catching up with, go guys

That was supposed to say "gj guys" but tbh I'm kinda whatever on pairing rn. I've got 6 coins though so I'll be a little choosy.

maybe townie?

So I can get why this slot is getting some shit but I still overall lean town here

[Krazy]

you gave dr worm 5 coins? oh fuck no oh god

I'm slightly warming up to this slot going early regardless of alignment

[Krazy]

Yea I'm going to be defending this pair. Extremely wary of people's scum reads on Dr Worm and the quality of those reads

So Nancy, one thing I want from you is evaluating as the game goes on whether Dann is "too right about everything"

I feel like I just like his reads too much and it makes me nervous

I'm not shading, I'm just saying keep sorting as the flips develop

I still like him more than the other gents

[Krazy]

My problem with Ank is that right before Taly is going to accept Krazy she says Krazy may be scum, and right after I accept Dr. Worm she says my reads are bad. Is like she's trying to set up WIFOM and future lynches.

I very slightly didn't like this post but it doesn't move PB at all in my order

maybe I'm just not used to people who don't know me that well defending me

Although I did mean to ask-- PB, you said last game that my being in the signup sheet was a reason you wanted to play? Have I played with your main then? I haven't really prioritized mainhunting you since I think you have several games on this account but I'm wondering if there's something I'm missing there

[Krazy]

Dr Worm is definitely not the most impulsive person here.

this might be the first thing SS has said this game I liked LOL

[Krazy]

[Krazy]

Taly is actually a hydra of RC and Ankamius

true story

[Krazy]

No one has played this exact version of the setup before, but scum have won the previous version at least twice iirc

[Krazy]

You know that sig quote does not make me feel better about you lol

[Krazy]

[Krazy]

So Ank how have you been these last few months anyway?

[Krazy]

I could be sold on Gamma/Moment

I don't know if Ank actually wants to sell it, actually she might not like it

But anyway, that was a thought I just had

[Krazy]

Hmm Taly would you prefer Moment/Brie?

[Krazy]

Oh right Pvt isn't paired yet

Tricky questions

who is more town out of moment and Pvt

who is more town out of gamma and brie

[Krazy]

PvtUrist, Krazy, RadiantCowbells, Moment, Dannflor, DoubtingThomas, Dr Worm, Vedith, they're pretty cute

I'm not expecting to make it into the last 6, take that as you will.

{Krazy, Taly, Anka, ND39, Allo, Gamma, Vedith, DT, Brie}
{Alisae, FB, Dr.W, RC}
{PB, Dann, Moment}

are where I'm at.

Dann's posts continues to ping scum to me.

3-shot Compulsive Dayvig

go

Feel like I should have pushed Pvt on Dannscum earlier since I think a bit more pressure there would have helped. I really kinda started to dislike how there was so much more emphasis on "why won't Krazy offer Nancy" rather than "why isn't Dann town enough for Nancy"

Pvt, you don't think you're making final 6, once pairings finish the game is going to go fast -- if you want to sell us on Dann scum you might want to do that sooner than later.

That being said the compulsive dayvig game had a slightly townie taste to it for someone struggling to lock on to the gamestate.

I could be sold on Pvt > Moment maybe

[Krazy]

So Ank how have you been these last few months anyway?

eh

probably not stuff I should be posting publicly

how about you

Mixed but better I'd say

Some health stuff cleared up, some work stuff went poorly. I think I'd take the improvement in health right now though. Funny to think of it that way; makes me grateful even though there's been some stress lately.

I'm glad you've kinda come back, I'm hoping to see you in more games. I do enjoy playing with you.

[Krazy]

Please stop.

Funny that this is probably the towniest post Moment made in my mind lol

and it's still basically NAI

[Krazy]

idk, I might play a couple more before vanishing again, I'm not sure yet

this is the only one I'm in currently though

Well I hope that you do

[Krazy]

So my final suggestion is:
PvtUrist/Gamma
Moment/TheBrie
DoubtingThomas/SS
Allonely, I'm so lonely (8)

not bad

[Krazy]

Weren't people townreading DT

I'm a little bit surprised I'm not seeing more pushback here already

what ever happened with that

first no one can give me a straight answer on why he's town and now no one will defend him from being listed as a bottom pairing?

[Krazy]

I guess the towniness of bottom pairings is kinda a question

I still have no idea how serious RC is about leaving, and I have no idea what firebringer will do

I'm more discussing pairings in the scenario where we actually vote on people after the first flip, but I don't even know if that will happen

We could do a soft vote for how many people would vote to lynch SS *assuming allo flips town*

If Allo is excluded and flips red then we play out dance 1 and discuss

If Allo flips town I would like to know before pre-dance ends whether the town would like to flip SS immediately or not

Should we be trying to speed lynch SS to prevent RC from leaving or do we have a reason to wait to see whether RC leaves or not?

[Krazy]

Like I honestly kinda don't know what to do with multiple pairings trying to leave

I don't know whether I should be literally trying to force RC to stay to second dance or not or how that would help

If he's suiciding anyway is it better to just let him do that? I townlean both sides of that pairing still so this is kinda a messy situation

hmm

[Krazy]

I guess Firebringer was mostly just threatening Vedith to keep his act together rather than actually saying he would leave so there's that at least

So assuming Fire was just yanking his chain then it's just RC+Ank that's threatening to leave which then leaves Vedith with a potential speed hammer?

Should I be doing

"If Allo, RC, and Ank all flip town, do we lynch SS"? I feel like that's a stupid question but it's one we should answer maybe?

[Krazy]

Yeah, I feel like this is a pointless line of logic until we see what people will actually do. I just feel like it is really incorrect to not have a sense of what we are asking Vedith to do, other than not vote, and I don't know right now what I'm supposed to do, other than not vote.

I want to use the rest of predance but deciding what we want to do in dance 1 kind of hinges on moment and gamma getting caught up at least kinda so....

*shrug*

[Krazy]

{Dannflor}
{Nancy Drew, Taly}
{Krazy}
{Vedith}
{FakeGod}

No one else has posted enough to be read.

Top 6 ain't bad.

you know I only just now noticed that this top tier quality shitpost was made a single minute after Allo's list

[Krazy]

Worm who would you prefer get excluded?

[Krazy]

ALLOMASTER - SINCERE and reading EVRYTHING w/o picking at DUMB SUPERFICIAL STUFF

it seemed like you felt pretty good about this read at the time, when did he stop being town in your heart?

[Krazy]

pre-dance ends when there's no more pairings or in about:

(expired on 2019-02-15 01:45:00)

[Krazy]

Your remaining options are TheBrie, Gamma Emerlad, and Something_Smart

Do you have strong reads are any of the three?

[Krazy]

Allomancer, Pvturist, yourself, and Moment

[Krazy]

[*]Pairs

1. Vedith - Firebringer
   
2. RadiantCowbells - Ankamius
   
3. Dr Worm - Pink Ball
   
4. Krazy - Taly
   
5. Dannflor - Nancy Drew 39

post 0 btw

[Krazy]

Krazy I last have you at a pretty strong scum read

i forgot why tho. what do you think of me?

I'm trying to figure out what's up with your slot. A bunch of people threw townreads at you and now it doesn't seem like anyone posting is blinking an eye at you being potentially lynched in first dance. Seems odd to me

[Krazy]

I support PinkBall's suggestions for pairings. It'll be interesting what input the people actually involved provide however particularly because I think there's likely some scum in there.

So my final suggestion is:
PvtUrist/Gamma
Moment/TheBrie
DoubtingThomas/SS
Allonely, I'm so lonely (8)

not bad

saying people are okay with pairing you with SS is basically saying they're okay with lynching you with dance 1 at this point, in case the subtext here isn't clear

I mean I kinda poe'd you as scum but I have never really seen anything that makes me think there's a smoking gun, I just haven't seen a lot of sorting from you. So if you think Pvt or Moment should be with SS instead of you, you need to kind of say why

[Krazy]

Pvturist or DoubtingThomas probably

Dann can you expand on how you got from DT being a potential pairing for Nancy to being a potential pairing for S_S?

[Krazy]

Most people had Alisae as null/scum because she didn't seem to be having fun and you haven't really improved the slot that much

[Krazy]

Is your townread of DT exclusively based on 1265 or are you focusing on tone?

[Krazy]

PoE

I said it

[Krazy]

Not true. I'm not scumreading either of them

Who do you want lynched in dance 1?

[Krazy]

He's saying he advocated pairing you with probably the biggest consensus scumread in the game, but doesn't think that means you get lynched, so it's a legitimate question

[Krazy]

Why is Gamma scummier than SS, Dann?

[Krazy]

I don't think that. Gamma is a solid null. PvT is scummier than SS.

wouldn't you want Pvt paired with SS then? I don't get why you agreed with PB's list as presented then

although I guess I misunderstood Pvt's list since I thought it was in order

[Krazy]

the Mann.

hate to be dense but who is the Mann?

[Krazy]

Dann the Mann I GET IT

Fuck I am dense

[Krazy]

Pvt please fucking just go at Dann

I want to see what pings you

Sometimes his posts bother me but they're all things I agree with, it just bothers me the way he says them

but a lot of the gents are just not saying any shit that makes sense or have wildly different reads than me

if you want to case Dann you just SHOULD

COME AT HIM

CAGE MATCH

LET'S GO

Spoiler:

maybe you don't think it's not a good idea because it's not a good idea, it's a GREAT idea?

[Krazy]

Krazy my Mann can you be a good wingman and ship me and thebrie

didn't you just accuse me of asking wolfy questions to PB like a page ago?

[Krazy]

It's like not even a tunnel, you haven't cased him at all, all you've said is "dere be scum"

You said you disliked a few posts 2000 posts ago and there's not any specific post since then that I could say "Pvt was scumreading Dann for this"

Like even just click iso, click the Q+ on every post that pings you as scum, and then put it all in a spoiler, and that would help at least

[Krazy]

not sure what you are trying to get at

well you just said your reads are transparent and right now I have no idea what your read is of me given you seem to have forgotten why you thought I as scum and now you're asking me for favors...

I do think, from your point of view, given your posts in the last three pages, it's probably in your best interests of either alignment to ask TheBrie to dance, but I'm not sure whether I think TheBrie should accept or decline tbh

[Krazy]

On a side note, fuck I wanted to pair with Krazy. I was trying to figure out a read list so I could determine Krazy's alignment before forming the PT so I could shitpost there.

Gamma we don't need a PT for shitposts when we have the game thread

Still <3 u tho and I do think you're prolly town here, just wish you'd town up more

If you wanted me you probably should have mentioned it when I asked Taly like 4 days ago?

[Krazy]

I was a little shy @Krazy

damn wish you'd said it, I would have LOVED to see Gamma Emerald fight Nancy Drew for my hand!

[Krazy]

Gamma who should be your beau?

[Krazy]

Well some people were talking about leaving Allo out of the dance so if you have a strong tr there you should convince us

I believe in you Gamma! Find at least one town in those three! Is Moment Town? Is Urist? Let's find out in this week's episode of -- Who is Gamma going to the dance with?

[Krazy]

I think anyone pointing major scumreads right now versus thinking about pairs deserve an eyebrow raise. Might not be scum-indicative, but unhelpful.

I feel like the two go hand-in-hand don't they?

Thinking about the bottom pairing directly effects how we imagine dance 1 playing out

also kinda confused why you'd be annoyed that Pvt finally did something this game

[Krazy]

Goodnight Taly <3

[Krazy]

Pvt who is more town between Gamma and TheBrie?

[Krazy]

taly/krazy

which side here are you calling scum?

[Krazy]

taly wasted their slot by pairing krazy and needs to die early

gotcha, nvm

[Krazy]

RC so you would prefer DT be excluded over Allo?

[Krazy]

Are you still leaving dance 1?

[Krazy]

I'll leave first dance if RC promises to never sign up for another game where I'm already in the player list.

[Krazy]

I was lying btw I'm not doing that to Taly

You're just acting like a douche that's all

[Krazy]

Every game with a gladiation mechanic you yolo the shit out of it that I join

I say you and Ank should be a top 10 pairing, you join and then make every other post a reminder that you're just going to leave

You're basically doing everything you can to disrupt town cohesion, while simultaneously demanding that every other player in the game follow your plans

[Krazy]

I literally can't even tell if this is a gambit right now and I don't even know if I should ask, but this is this game:

Krazy: Maybe we should hold off on dancing until we have a plan
Vedith: Firebringer let's dance
Firebringer: Ok. Also I have all the coins

Krazy: Well that makes things complicated since that wasn't a consensus read. Ok so maybe we should split pairing and try to get our strong players alive to second dance. I think Ank/RC presents a good chance for RC to not get shot
RC: I'm leaving first dance with Ank, one of your townreads

Krazy: Ok cool. Maybe we should keep the exact structure of our other pairings unclear given that we now don't have the pairings for a consensus strong endgame townblock
RC: OK i'm going to start giving my dictation for endgame pairings so that everyone can dead sheep me

Krazy: OK, why do I even sign up for games with you

I don't know RC

I don't know if you just hate every post I write on this account

Or if you have some sort of festering frustration with me from previous games

but it seems like you yell for everyone else to follow exact plans while, yourself, doing whatever the fuck you want at the drop of a hat

[Krazy]

I don't even know man, I just don't understand why you insist on making it so fucking hard to work with you in any game I play on this account

[Krazy]

You pairing to ank and threatening to leave her:
a) fucks up my townblock
b) means that first lynch is non consensus and is open to a vedith-scum swing (I don't even really scumread vedith but he's still slightly below null for me)
and
c) means that I am now constantly second guessing myself on the objectivity of your reads

[Krazy]

Maybe I'm overreacting

I'm probably overreacting

I should go have some dessert and go back to not thinking of this game for a while

[Krazy]

if ank wasn't going to leave me i wouldn't leave her

See, I was happy with you and Ank as a pairing before this, but now that you've done this massive thing of AtE about threatening to leave dance 1 I don't even know--should you? I feel like you are trying to manipulate the town emotionally at this point

[Krazy]

Literally no one in this game was saying you should pair with Ank if your intention was to leave her

[Krazy]

That's not me--that's fucking everyone

This "I'm leaving with Ank" thing seems like it was only done to either wifom this shit out of this game or to fuck any attempt at plans or cohesion

No one wanted that

[Krazy]

i'm not seeing where this is coming from unless it's literally just frustration that i don't like the you/taly pairing

I'm used to you scumreading me incorrectly, that's literally town indicative for you, what I *don't* like is you coupling your scumread of me with a manipulative AtE threat to leave the game with one of my stronger townreads which prevents me from feeling like I can have an objective conversation with you about the merit of your reads

[Krazy]

you're playing against the town by agreeing to leave but if you're not you're a scum so we're going to make you leave anyway

Yeah, you yourself are aware this is the exact argument people would make, which is why I would have preferred you not make it in the first place.

I did not have a strong read on you, and I still do NOT have a strong read on you, but if you had wanted to be read objectively, why would you make it as hard as possible to do that?

[Krazy]

You are threatening to leave the dance because YOU ASSUME you will not be recognized as an endgame pairing because YOU PAIRED ANK in the worst, most AtE-filled way

And now you are coming in and deciding you are playing the game while still threatening to leave the dance

So what the fuck

[Krazy]

I feel like half this list either hasn't played with you before or was townreading you

Why are you assuming your scumgame is some over-deterministic force that must determine how you play your towngame?

The only person casting shade about you in regard to your ability is S_S and he's probably scum or something anyway

[Krazy]

Krazy I really think you aren't helping here

I chose not to leave the queue despite RC pairing because I thought I could make a good faith effort to maybe play with him

and I chose not to replace out of the game because I yolo replaced out last time

But I do not know at this point why I would continue playing with RC with the way he plays

Maybe it's fine and I'm just pissed off over a disagreement in strategy

But I feel like he came in, bitched about pairings, yolo-paired to suicide, and is making it really fucking complicated for people who want to scumhunt to even do that when we don't even know how many lynches we get in first dance. I guess 1?

It's just really tilting

[Krazy]

me: ok this is why i want to leave the dance because im not an endgame pairing

but I literally don't see why you could not have been an endgame pairing if you didn't just yolo dance with someone because they briefly omgus'd you

like you could have just kept your chill for a little bit dude

and now you're like "These are the endgame pairings" before we have any flips when you are yourself preventing us from the highest chance of getting a redflip before second dance

and also making it certain you don't get shot which dramatically increases either me/taly or nancy/dann getting shot

like I appreciate the shade and the scumread but I think you've made it dramatically harder for me to generate an endgame block since you and ank were supposed to be in it

[Krazy]

in your ideal world what do u want me to do right now

say who we lynch in dance 1 that isn't you/ank

[Krazy]

If we get a red flip in dance 1, it is highly likely we can just get a solid week extra week of discussion without me wondering whether there's going to be some yolo juke every time I close the thread

which is why I want us to actually hit red between the exclusion and the first lynch

but everything you're saying is "I'm leaving" which means we will be sitting with Vedith able to instantly hammer and what is statistically likely to be three green flips

and I do not know how to play dance 1 at that point

[Krazy]

Fine dude

But maybe

Just say "I will not leave until dance 2"

so that town can discuss what actually should happen in dance 1 in a way that isn't stupid and unfun?

[Krazy]

Like you are continuing to play as though the coins are completely irrelevant

while saying you will leave the dance

this giving me the ability to force no lynch immediately after you leave, given I have 7 coins

so if I am scum, RC, maybe you should not be leaving the dance and giving me the ability to do that?

[Krazy]

I'm not writing productive things at this point so I'm just gonna take a break from this game for tonight

[Krazy]

Spoiler: Just don't read this

Am I supposed to be reassuring RC?

That's what fucking pisses me off about this. RC implodes every other game day 1 because he thinks people will give him shit about his scum play, when his scum play is to be gross and manipulative on the emotional level. So his solution is to be gross and manipulative as town instead? What the fuck?

I thought he was fine *until he started using his leaving the dance as a means of driving his agenda* while simultaneously apparently not thinking about what advantages that gives scum both in dance 1 and in intermission

He wants to play the game, he can promise to continue sorting so that we can see whether people actually scumread him or not. How the fuck are we supposed to interpret people's reactions from his slot? Why would scum fucking deal with his slot at all? He's turning RC-Ank into a black hole of reads where the scum team has no motivation to care about defending a read one way or the other, unless someone like Dann is scum and is just trying to gain towncred for calling it T/T

I just wish I could have a game where I could actually fucking sort him without him making it seem like the higher priority should be in talking him off a goddamn cliff. And since that has now never happened on his main account I don't see why I would bother thinking the pattern would change.

He made it so that the first serious question we were dealing with him was not "what is RC's alignment" but instead was "should we try to stop RC from leaving the dance"

which is a STUPID

FUCKING

QUESTION

Like, me getting pissed at him here does not make him town. Like, am I supposed to be promising him he is an "endgame pairing" when I have not fucking wanted to discuss who I see as endgame pairings since that makes it easier for scum to decide who to kill in intermission? I don't see how RC approaches this game from a Town POV and sees "either I'm in the final pairings or I'm dead immediately" as the best options. Why the fuck would he not just accept he MIGHT NOT be one of the last 4 pairings and try to lynch as much scum before then and get the best endgame pairings? Why not project confidence and try to eat a bullet? Why would he announce he is committing suicide when that assures he will not eat a bullet instead? Why would he announce he is leaving the dance BEFORE second dance? Why would he announce he is leaving the dance rather than simply *leaving the dance* when he is ready? Now he has me wondering whether this is all just Wifom BULLSHIT so that he CAN deepwolf. If he thinks scum will usually shoot him, why not just try to eat the bullet and therefore protect his townreads? The way he has done this not only fucks my scumreads but they fuck his and I don't get why he would play it like that

And of course his choices have made it exponentially more difficult to read him, but HE COULD HAVE JUST NOT MADE ANY THREATS

If he's going to do this shit, then let him do it. He thinks he's not an endgame pairing, I see no reason to disbelieve him. I just want him to stop making it so fucking obvious because he is actively making it more difficult for the people who are playing the game to scumhunt.

I'm just really fucking done with him to be honest.

[Krazy]

But the real message here is more troubling... not only are you implying that my opinion on RC's skill is somehow related to my alignment, you're implying that anyone questioning RC's skill is scummy.

No, I am saying that posts like this:

Scum-RC's basically a god of scumplay. No, he's not ACTUALLY a god of scumplay, but he's BASICALLY a god of scumplay...

RC is a very strong scum player. Since you haven't played with him as scum, I'd recommend you not allow him to get above null-town unless you're explicitly sheeping someone else who knows him better.

are the wifomy bullshit posts that apparently seem to validate his sense that his slot cannot be evaluated objectively

So no, I am not saying people questioning RC's skill is scummy, I was saying you specifically made a very loaded accusation against him, and you were basically the only one in the thread to do so, but he basically acts like everyone thinks like 2271 is how people actually see him

[Krazy]

I probably should have tossed that into scream into the void but whatever

I just don't want Ank thinking that me being pissed here means I actually have a stronger townread of RC when I don't, and my uncertainty just makes me even more angry.

And I don't want Nancy coming in and thanking me for trying to talk RC out when that's not even what I was doing

[Krazy]

Krazy

, we're not forcing anything until it's discussed between both us and the public thread.

A reason you have my coins is because you seemed less quick to vote based on how you strategize and approach this game/setup.

Don't let emotions rule you. ^_^

I have not proposed to force anything.

I am trying to get the town to start thinking about who they want to lynch first in dance 1 because I think that should inform the bottom pairing. I think it was a useful conversation given I was apparently misunderstanding what PB was saying with his list of pairings and what Dann was saying in agreeing with that list.

I do think that we should be thinking about dance 1 seriously since a red flip in the first 3 there potentially gives us an extra week of analysis without as much risk of jukes.

[Krazy]

You should decide who you want to pair with. who of the remaining gents is most town to you?

Then say "dance with me x" where x is that townie gent

[Krazy]

Unpopular opinion, I think Brie is townier than SS, sue me.

It's not an unpopular opinion.

[Krazy]

Gamma, are you town?

I'm curious why, from a town POV, you haven't offered Brie yet.

Still indifferent to Brie accepting or not, but I don't get what you are doing at this point

[Krazy]

Idgaf about moment the brie altho if RC wants a second dance pairing I personally would say he'd want to go moment gamma since altho he doesn't townread gamma I... think? The only one proposing gamma go dance 1 was either PB or Dann, idr would need to read back when I get to a pc.

I still want SS gone early and I know RC will want to fight me on that but

Just my thoughts at this Moment

Pedit: ank contradicting me before I even finish the post, how does she do that?

[Krazy]

Do not disagree, really more ss we are at odds on tbh

@nancy I get what you are saying and we can discuss sample size later

[Krazy]

If it weren't for literally everyone disagreeing with me I'd put Brie first on my scum list as of right now TBH

I don't disagree with you on Briescum, I disagree with you on SS being town or in any potential endgame pairing.

I think we kinda agree that Gamma is mostly blah null here although I lean town and you seem to lean (null-scum?)

Did you read Excalibur? Because this doesn't read like the town SS from Excalibur. If you have a lot of experience with SS from other games then I can check them out at some point. But I have not seen town SS show up here and at this point I don't think he's coming.

pedit: slightly agree with Taly, I'm trying to be less forceful in the thread so the unpaired lurkers can actually catch up and do something AI, but don't want to leave people feeling like they're alone on reads when they're not, and I don't want to present consensus by omission when I disagree

[Krazy]

I have thoughts on pairings as I've done some ISO skimming and references to my readnotes.

The thing is, the past 4 people speaking in this thread - 5 would include me - has all different levels of the same reads on the same group of people.

So I don't know if I should throw my thoughts in before

Moment/Urist/S_S/TheBrie

get into the thread?

What am I, chopped liver?

I believe Taly was saying that you've actually been more caught up and active than those 4 recently... it was a compliment kinda?

[Krazy]

I entirely get why Ank is scumreading Gamma's recent posts and I simply disagree and think they make Gamma more town

Don't really think Gamma shades Worm and Moment here as scum

Could be wrong tho and I don't even mind Ank pushing

Gotta go now, I'm gonna try not to be too heavy in the thread

Still think Pvt should get a pairing but I have no idea with who and don't know what to say about his apparent lack of desire in trying to get one

[Krazy]

Gamma, just remember no one gets to decide who to accepts your pairing except you, and everyone right now wants you to get a pairing one way or the other.

If you don't like what unpaired people are saying about your slot just ignore it.

bai now

[Krazy]

maybe I secretly want to see two gents fighting for gamma's hand because gamma is a cutie and she deserves it :p

[Krazy]

Ok. I have taken a Moment.

I concluded you don't like playing scum and you're not really that into this game.

Vis-a-vis you're scum.

You are welcome to offer a counter-argument but I was thinking Alisae wasn't having fun either and that also went without explanation.

[Krazy]

Isn't really AI? / is NAI?

[Krazy]

I concluded you don't like playing scum and you're not really that into this game.

That's why I made 100 posts in my first 48 hours...?

How am I not into the game?

You haven't made 7 wallposts about coins which I take to be a scumclaim for you



Point me to a towngame where you do this little setup spec discussion then

And maybe stop playing guessing games and saying that every fos that comes your way is bias over being a replacement. It seems like you've spent this game more being indignant over being scumread than in sorting, although it's possible your indignation and omgusing just sticks in my memory better

[Krazy]

wheres thebrie

I'm trying to actually live life as well as playing this game.


Looking at DT's ISO, I'm not particularly impressed. I can't follow him. I know the reason for three of his reads. Taly, Krazy, Moment. I just see lots of words, and questions, and not much reasoning. And I like reasoning. So Thomas, do you mind telling why you think Vedith is town? He's a player I'm having trouble getting even a gut read on.

Looking at Moment, I think he's honestly getting snowed under by the number of posts. I like his posts style. Neat, tidy, points seem logical to me. But I've got him closer to null now. The content isn't inherently towny, though I don't feel an agenda in it.

Moment, Why the scum reads on Gamma and PinkBall?

DoubtingThomas and Pvturist haven't asked me though, and Moment and Allo have. Still stuck between them. So if people want to be helpful, they can tell me why I should go with one of the other, or why I should hold out for another invitation.

Good night.

@Taly I guess I'm kinda at a loss irt DT/Brie given that DT is acting like Brie "isn't townreading him" and looking back I get the sense that Brie wants him to actually show his reasoning more. Unless Brie is assuming she immediately gets lynched and she doesn't need to be in a PT, I understand her desire to be with someone she can work with. I don't want to force pairings off towniness if those reads don't align with the player having fun however long they have left. I don't believe Brie has written off Allo, and hers is the position that matters at the moment.

I do think that instead of pushing DT/Brie it would maybe be more productive to actually ask "why not Allo/Brie"?

Rest assured I am definitely reading your wallposts <3

[Krazy]

krazy

talk to me about your reads bb

I just wrote and deleted like two paragraphs on Gamma lol. I feel like I'm not sure, but my gut is telling me I should maybe be defending her as town more here... idk weird feelings over all. I don't think my case earlier was very convincing but I disagree that shading Worm/Moment was wolfy. My reasons for townreading Gamma probably aren't very convincing to anyone that isn't me, and I'm not even sure myself.

What other reads you want?

[Krazy]

I haven't played with S_S before so I don't know how valid the claims about his meta are but your comment about coin wall posts just feels awful considering that's literally how you entered the game.

Yeah that was partly the joke. I was kind of expecting him to really talk setup spec given it had actually been a major topic and he kinda just brushed past it all. Like my impression of S_S is that he enjoys talking setup spec more than Jingle, but maybe my experiences with him have been warped by looking at his play in theme games over opens idk.

you haven't mentioned it at all before so idk where you are pulling "indignation and omgusing" from

He literally just said "I would expect scum to double down on scumreading me here!" and then said that the people doing that are Gamma, who I townread, and myself, who I know is town. But apparently Ank loved that post so...

[Krazy]

Thoughts on Moment? I'm not feeling strongly about Gamma either way, early-game I had a townread there, but that's faded.

To be honest when I was doing the "who are the gents left in the game list" earlier Moment was the name I had to go back and remind myself of. I have almost no thoughts on him. I thought he was townie briefly when he got angry at me for posting a lot but I've since second-guessed that, leaving him quite null. Doesn't give me a strong reason to second-guess the people townreading him though and I have no problem with pairing him with someone like Gamma that I see as lynchbaity town, but I don't really have a need to pick a fight there with RC and I don't see a need to force Moment into that pairing if he doesn't want it. I more want to see what he actually chooses to do and not over-analyze his slot until he does more AI stuff.

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@Krazy this feels pretty icky to me

this is also like the 11th time I felt like Dann was turning on someone shortly after other people had started to push on the slot and it's one reason I liked Pvt airing his skepticism of that slot. I still lean town on Dann but if there is a deepwolf he is the slot I am most worried about. I think Dann's posts bug me a lot at times and I think Pvt is pretty likely town to get pinged by his posts, even if he's possibly wrong.

And I told myself I was going to not go heavy today, idk, I see shit and I have thoughts and I want to write them. I should just like log out or something. There's a book I *need* to read today and it's so much easier to focus on 'reads' in mafia than to actually pick it up 0.o

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You just said my posts bug you a lot when I'm pretty sure a while back you said something along the lines of "only one or two things Dann has said has ever pinged me," which I can find the exact quote later, don't have time right now

I appreciate your paranoia, although just to clarify, your posts bugging me is not the same thing as your posts pinging me. I know that may sound like equivocation but there's an important difference--that's why I think Pvt is town+wrong and why I feel like I can see where he's coming from irt you. I would not have advocated pairing you with Nancy if I didn't townread you. It still "bugs me" that your reads seem to blow in the wind sometimes even if it doesn't nudge my read of you that much. This is one of the reasons I didn't really want anyone talking about endgame pairings until second dance, because I feel like it just festers paranoia and disrupts the discussion among the remaining pairings. And yeah I get worried about deep wolves a lot when certain people start talking about their desired endgame pairings.

I still think Pvt's push on you was a good discussion at the time and was kinda pissed that people seemed to come in and shit on him for it, and actually working through that naturally I think might have helped me feel better about you, instead that conversation felt like it was kinda blown past before you even had a need or opportunity to rebut his points so I could see more of your thought process there

*I'm not doing good at this logging out thing rn but I will try 0.o*

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Ank what did you do to you beautiful avi?

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You know that sig quote does not make me feel better about you lol

Were you in the game that quote is from?

I don't think this ever got answered btw.

I was not, I was assuming he was scum because I don't know why anyone would put that quote in their sig if they were town in the game in question

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stuff

well now you've piqued my curiosity

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Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:45 am + 8 days =

(expired on 2019-02-15 01:45:00) ?

ballpark of this Nancy

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Don’t you think that’s kind of risky with the coin mechanic?

this is actually only a risk if Vedith is scum, and one of the remaining unpaired ladies is also scum, and that scum lady has a standing offer near deadline

so, pretty remote risk, leaving the remaining unpaired is actually one way to skip dance 1, which is, arguably, strictly protown

The main people who would be unhappy with that would be moment/thebrie/drworm probably, given it means guaranteeing we will be playing an 18 day game

but the majority of remaining paired couples could probably handle playing out dance 2 in 10 days

[Krazy]

but the majority of remaining paired couples could probably handle playing out dance 2 in 10 days

although a minor thought here is that it means dance 2 starts in the middle of marathon weekend which is a bit unfortunate

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Why would moment/Brie/Worm be unhappy about that in particular?

referring to the lost week of potential game time in dance 1

means the pace of the game will accelerate significantly probably

I know some players (you, me, RC, Ank) dgaf about the extra week, but I would think it would be maybe a minor concern for the people who have been struggling to stay caught up

although maybe? an overall lower post count/day, depending on who scum kill over intermission

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I slept though 2nd dance last time.

that was with a pre-determined lynch order generated by an IC

dance 2 could go fast but it is much less likely

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I can't see all 5 going through without pairing.

I mean, Gamma might literally not check the thread again before deadline, and afaik no one has offered there anyway

So it's more a question of S_S I guess. are there standing offers for that slot? if not then we can just ask remaining gents to not offer

I don't know if they'll agree with that but that would be the method to avoid a juke

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Your suggestion has been noted.

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I don't know if they'll agree

guess we know the answer to that LOL

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Ank, I did:

Your suggestion has been noted.

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I'm fine with Pvt/Gamma.

I'd be fine with Allo/Gamma but I have no idea if Allo even logs on to the site before deadline given the V/LA until Saturday.

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I'm basically fine with any remaining combination of pairings in any order actually

Since there's a standing offer for a lady, I don't think we can do no pairings. If we don't want to play out dance 1, which is an idea I'm kinda fine with, we should all just no lynch.

If Allo flips scum, we should not no lynch obviously. But I'm kinda assuming he flips green and that there's just nothing I can do about that so.

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I don't think vedith is even the issue

the question for me is how do we even play dance 1

the men can't vote at all until a hammer is decided? who gets to decide the hammer? does it have to be l-1

the whole phase is just a stupid red herring and we should just skip to the mountainous imo.