Death Curse

[MURDERCAT]

[Fidget]

It would be incredibly selfish of me to put my own fears and anxiety over what the collective team wants just because I happened to live for longer.

I must finish the job - I would be unable to handle the consequences of deviating from the plan and losing.

You're supposed to shoot who you think has the most likely chance of being scum. I would be upset with someone who is unwilling to do what they thought had the best chance of winning just because I (as a dead person) had suspected someone else.

I am aware that not everyone thinks like that. You are right that it would be unfun to be berated by the dead players if you avoid their wishes get it wrong. If we keep it as Noraa/Bell, then we collectively lost, except maybe UNOwen if Noraa is scum and Noraa if Bell is scum. So perhaps we should do that, but I don't think it's right to go against what you think in favor of the dead, and I don't think it's selfish to do so, either.

I am very impressed by Murder's handling of the late game if scum. His early to midgame pushes are very dodgy in hindsight from what I skimmed, though.

Need to get work done, need to stop posting..

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I also suspect MC very heavily so it fits

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I do not fear the beratement of others

I fear myself only.

[Bell]

Aight, gunna focus here this game needs to die with prejudice.

[Bell]

So far,
Zdenek. Votes Pookie, Gives no reason. Don't see a reason it can't be early distancing whatsoever.

Pookie: 79 Vague shade. 84. Not Vague shade. 113 Irony posting? 119 Not great. This angle really makes no sense. I have no business coaching anyone on anything.

ShellyC being shelly. Giving a town read too early to Zdenek. #68
Not sure if Shelly does this post to a partner.

Murdercat comes in and votes Isis. I can see what Fidget means. #63. Huh. Zdenek did the same thing. Used it and Hopkirk town read for it. 64: Yeet Shellyc, but a joke. Not clear what that would mean here. 110: Lied, control expectations as scum or just....Eh? Why does town murder say this at all? 114# Does murder prefer rolling town to scum?

Noraa: Good vote. #73. I'm not sure if a bus vote. It sort of doesn't sound like one. Reason 3) is the one that could be a little too accurate to be tvs. But the other two point toward tvs. 83. Why. Why, WHY?117 Sounds fair. 124: I don't know how coached didn't pass into her lexicon.

Nope. I burnt out. I need to relax for a little. After interview jitters sigh.

[MURDERCAT]

110: Lied, control expectations as scum or just....Eh? Why does town murder say this at all?

It's the truth, I wanted to play more casually
1000 posts later...

114: Does murder prefer rolling town to scum?

Depends, I generally find town more satisfying but I have been itching for a scum game.

[Noraa]

Why. Why, WHY?

????????

[Noraa]

Reason 3) is the one that could be a little too accurate to be tvs. But the other two point toward tvs. 83.

I dont understand why :/

[MURDERCAT]

FWIW, my approach (assuming anyone is actually interested in what I have to say at the moment) would be to look for things that would

never

be said or done by each person for a particular alignment. Can you find something that I would have

never

said or done as town? Can you find something that I would have

never

said or done as scum? That feels more effective at this point.

I can do this if you want me to town case myself or scum case someone else, but someone has to actually ask me for it because I don't want to appear like I am trying to manipulate the conversation.
I do think this game is coming down to whether or not Pooky is scum so that's probably what I would want to focus on.

[Noraa]

I don't know how coached didn't pass into her lexicon.

confuzzled again.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I am not scum but I am happy to accept the scroll if you all think I am the most capable scum player here as that is quite flattering.

[Noraa]

FWIW, my approach (assuming anyone is actually interested in what I have to say at the moment) would be to look for things that would

never

be said or done by each person for a particular alignment. Can you find something that I would have

never

said or done as town? Can you find something that I would have

never

said or done as scum? That feels more effective at this point.

I can do this if you want me to town case myself or scum case someone else, but someone has to actually ask me for it because I don't want to appear like I am trying to manipulate the conversation.
I do think this game is coming down to whether or not Pooky is scum so that's probably what I would want to focus on.

Do it for Bell and Pooky if you have time. You could do me as well.

Whatever you have time for.

[MURDERCAT]

Scum or town cases? Or general commentary?

[Noraa]

Scum or town cases? Or general commentary?

whichever starts forming while ur skimming. Dont force a town or scum case out. Just whatever starts forming.

[MURDERCAT]

Mmk I will

[MURDERCAT]

Timer: (expired on 2020-11-19 12:55:30)

[Bell]

I don't know how coached didn't pass into her lexicon.

confuzzled again.

You asked why Pooky thought you were being coached or put up a question mark like you didn't know what he was talking about.
But contextually, being coached means scum is coaching you in their private thread. It shouldn't be that difficult to understand.

[Bell]

133, 134, and 135 are quite complex. Rather I've never seen that before. So that's cool I guess. No actual comment, I can't tell whose scum in those posts. But you a both suck.

154 Is this another a little too accurate to be town posts? /:

#166 Not sure why town Noraa isn't omgussing here. Her read on Pooky doesn't make sense in this post. She has been pretty consistent about OMGUSING later game. Or rather she omguses hard, but not when it comes to Pooky?

181 she seemed more reasonable at this point? I wonder what happened also, *mutters* maybe.
186 This is a lot of town reads to be giving out to actual town for scum her honestly.
188 hmm?
193: Hmm. Psyching himself up?
197: You see this isn't what she actually did until you said this Taylor. Rather, she ignored Pookie, but gave LLD a hard time, though on an emotional level I can understand why you would fous on LLD rather than on Pookie.
205: Outrage seems real enough. Don't see why it can't be rage as either alignment tho.
210: Wrong tact.

Pookie isn't here.
Murder doing a play by play.

I'm reading LLD's case and I don't really agree with her at all. But she could be right I guess, maybe? Eh. Keep reading.

#226: I don't really think this sounds defensive? It sounds sort of honest, honestly.
#236: I'm not sure if she's arguing it's unfair or if she's interested in sorting LLD. Though her question about what LLD typically does points to sorting to a surface extent.

[post=#240:]#240:[/post] Hmm. Decides to jump in on this. Betelgeuse.

Taking another break.

[Noraa]

I don't know how coached didn't pass into her lexicon.

confuzzled again.

You asked why Pooky thought you were being coached or put up a question mark like you didn't know what he was talking about.
But contextually, being coached means scum is coaching you in their private thread. It shouldn't be that difficult to understand.

Not sure what I was thinking at the time but I dont think I understood what it meant at the time. It's a byproduct of quick skims :/

[Noraa]

154 Is this another a little too accurate to be town posts? /:

holy fuck. I'm a god. I nailed Vaultdweller who no one suspected at the time.
I can see why it comes off as TMI tho.

Everyone needs to call me scum hunting god from now on

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

goddess

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: towncasing myself

You’re basically dead to me at this point shelly.
This is your scum game.

...

asking for reads = scummy
paranoia = scummy

this is omgus by the way, i've been SR on bell since forever

Kinda agree with bell tbh

I'll just as soon burn you to the ground for doing this as I will let that happen.

yes noraa dies today im like, not opposed to that at all but i feel we're wasting too much energy on outed scum

Ehh shelly is pinging me hard with some of these posts

My Shelly read is going to be a large part of the evidence I'm town. It started early, and I never wavered on "maybe bell maybe shelly." I was always team Bell.

Pooky/Shelly/Toogeloo/Vaxkiller/Lapsa

This is the scumteam, no questions please

To be blunt, there's no way I ever give up 2 of my scum team like this. No one would ever BoP me, so there's no reason to. I also would never be this firm with the divide between my SRs and TRs, I would want to keep space in case it was more convenient to move elsewhere. There are multiple examples of me claiming that generally null read players like fidget were town because they aren't in this list. E.g. here

I literally can't overstate how confident I am in my solve and that flea is therefore town

VOTE: toogoloo

Admittedly not my best read, I don't think I am so eager to help lead a wagon on a townie at deadline as scum.

My personal feelings of who I think the scum team are:
Hopkirk
Theta Alpine
Gloria
Vaxkiller
UNOwen

Nice, hit vax

There's no reason for me to help direct a shot that was already aimed at 5 townies. Also, something something egg on face

If you had handed me the scroll I was shooting Lapsa FWIW

This was 100% true, but not worth much.

This is a placeholder? Are we reaction testing? Shelly is smart enough to fake this reaction

Not giving Shelly any room to work with her fake reaction to the hurt tag.

Ok look, LLD was town for day 1 because trying to sort her preflips would be a huge pain. We really needed to hit scum to see if she would just die but because we didn't now we actually have to see if she is scum. I think there is some evidence she is scum:

- She never reevaluated the Noraa read but was still really willing to go for Toog despite her tunnel on Noraa. Yes the plan was to go for Noraa in 3rd slot, but she then shifted gears towards Hopkirk? I think town LLD should in a rage about not hitting Noraa there if the tunnel is real. I also feel like the let's be sure to hit scum 3rd slot is anti-town, but that's just my opinion.
- LLD's anger about Noraa seemed fake to me. There were overreactions there that, IMO, seemed off. I know LLD is an emotional player, but I don't think you get that angry about caught scum.
- The Hopkirk read was bad. I had hopkirk pegged as town and LLD's reasoning about the poetry was super off.
- I haven't seen any deep reads from LLD. It's a lot of surface level stuff and I think we are deep enough into this game to get some real content.

Here's the biggest reason I think we should "180" as I think Shelly put it. On day 1, in my mind there was an early D1 town block of {me, LLD, Pooky, MUSH}. These four players were generally accepted to be not in the elim pool. Given the knowledge that I am town, the odds that the others players are also randomly town is 0.376 (14/19*13/18*12/17). The odds of randomly getting a T>T>T on D1 given that I am not eliminated and I know I am town, is 0.472 (14/19*14/18*14/17). Given that we ended up with a T>T>T the new conditional probability that {LLD, Pooky, MUSH} are all town (again, from my POV knowing that I am town) is 0.135. That is a pretty serious drop that, FMPOV, means we should be reevaluating players we considered to be town.

The numbers would be different for all of us, but the general idea holds. The fact that we didn't hit scum yesterday means we need to broaden our lim pool for today as there is a higher likelihood that our initial reads were wrong.

Why would I ever do this if LLD is TRing me? Too spooky 4 scum

I think there is a good shot fredrick is town and we are being snowed by strong scum players

VOTE: Fred

I'm willing to go with you and bell today because I took my shot D1 and missed.

"Bussing my teammate and making sure to get no town cred for it"

These posts are really interesting, it seems like there are sides forming around Shelly/Uno

One thing to note is that scum will probably hard defend partners today because they will really want to avoid S>T>S

If Shelly is scum we should come back here

This post (in reference to Titus, I had a whole list of her posts) is me trying to kill another one of my partners if I'm scum.

this is some very selective iso reading MC

Yes, I'm aware. I'm accumulating evidence that Shelly is scum. ie if Shelly is scum, these are the things that provide evidence of that

Remember this interaction where I literally quoted most of Shelly's iso and called her scum for basically all the posts?

I think I've seen enough, Shelly's reads are constantly against mine. Consider my vote there

The only reason I didn't vote shelly was because I wanted to talk more, if I was bussing I would have made sure to be on the wagon like DFG with Titus still in the game.

You're bugging me out this game Titus, you have a scum flip why does it feel like you aren't really searching

More of me trying to kill all my partners.

Votecount 1.20

(FINAL)

[11]

Toogeloo

:

Hopkirk

,

MURDERCAT

, Titus,

Toogeloo

,

Theta Alpine

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Noraa

, UNOwen, shellyc,

Bell

HAMMER

[2] Tayl0r Swift:

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Bell

[2]

Bell

:

Tayl0r Swift,

Vaxkiller

[2] shellyc:

Fidget, Flea The Magician

[1]

Noraa

:

Adorable

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1] Adorable:

Lapsa

[1] Not Voting:

Zdenek

I find it hard to believe that any of those greens are wrong and I also doubt that wagon was all town.

Remember this interaction where I kept trying to say there was probably scum on Toog?

I didn't like how Titus tested the waters with UNO before shifting to Shelly if Shelly does come up scum

More setting up Titus after getting Shelly

I have a pretty solid town read on taylor which has also led me to question Pooky for the same reason.

Tayl0r is also a possible miselim I would have never TR'd this hard

And a HURT tag isn't a vote.

DGB replaced Lapsa, so DGB can be scum.

I am watching this as well

Setting up my final partner too if I'm scum.

Titus has been kind of floating in a way that makes me suspicious, I think there is a lot to be learned about the associations with Fred but it doesn't seem as if she has dug into it the way I'd expect her to. Of course, she did replace into this game and has had real life stuff going on, but still all I can go off is what she has posted and I'm not that impressed by it at the moment. I similarly don't like Titus's UNO vote.

Given my gut read that shelly is scum, I'd say gut says titus is more likely scum than town at the moment

More trying to turn the shelly yeet into a S>T>S

I'd like to enter for the record

Fred/Shelly/Goofball/Flea/Titus

Perhaps Pooky is in there instead? Mostly anyone who voted UNO

Pedit

{MURDERCAT, Bell, Noraa} - the town block, not worth discussing. 100% cleared from my POV
{UNOwen} - potential applicant to the town block, I'm going to double check for myself but from memory also clear
{Tayl0r Swift, Gloria Cleary} - town by play, looks like they are clearly solving to me
{Adorable} - town by association with Fred, but I should reread to look for what Shelly said about this slot

Leaving:

PookyTheMagicalBear
Titus
Flea The Magician
Dripping Goofball
Fidget

dgb is scum pretty sure

Pooky, I'm thinking we hit Titus scum today, vote me tomorrow, I scroll you and you can take out goofball. Leave town with 1 scum left to find and we get to hang out in the dead thread, thoughts?

I mean come on, this is never scum

This was usefully mostly to reorient to the events of the game but I would appreciate if you all read it. I am a lot townier that I thought, my reads were actually pretty good this game.

[MURDERCAT]

Cases on the rest of you coming some time, maybe tonight maybe tomorrow

[Noraa]

my reads were actually pretty good this game.

mine as well. I'm almost done reading ur case on urself.