Micro 991: Names on the List [game over!]

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Amélie [1]:

Not_Mafia

DkKoba [1]:

Gimli son of Glóin

clidd [1]:

DkKoba

Not_Mafia [1]:

Raya36

Publish the List! [0]:

Not Voting [4]:

Infinity 324, Ahsoka, Amélie, clidd

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[Gimli son of Glóin]

Ahsoka has created some of the most beautifully AI reactions in this game. I think page 45 is very important, as there seems to be an understanding among the players, particularly clidd and koba, that ahsoka is very dangerous in both alignments and is probably very competent town. Koba's vote on clidd comes after koba spent the majority of this gameday feigning a scumread on me (or, if they're town, I just don't understand how they think), and then this:

VOTE: clidd
fuck it
gut read from d1

Is a direct result of ahsoka's pressure. Koba seems terrified. 'gut read from d1' reads very pooly for me, because the justification is bad. Clidd has been especially scummy this gameday and if koba is still scumhunting (I doubt it) then they are evaluating clidd on d2 just like everyone else.

Then comes clidd with a rather obscene sequence.

{DkKoba, Ahsoka} -> 1 scum among them.

Nah, this isn't a certainty.

I think the game would be more fluid if you two were town. There's scum between you two.

I don't really buy that this is the reason. The game isn't fluid and that means there's scum between them sure, but ahsoka has been particularly flow-y. This seems like it's using a correct indication just to go ahead and point at the wrong direction. Then comes 1123 'I think we are dealing with scum!flavor here' followed by 'ahsoka broke the character and is playing like scum!flavor imo', followed by 1125:

I think town!FL would scumread me harder here.

Lots of flexibility around my slot that I don't like.

All the structuring of positioning to solve the game entering D2 is also something I am not buying from a town!FL mentality.

and then I post meme indicating that I'm with ahsoka and against clidd, and he simply says 'My new top 3 town is Gimli, Raya and Ahsoka '. I'm not buying anything else from clidd after this sequence. I'm really going to feel dumb postgame for how much inside the pocket of clidd I have been. This sequence of hard scumreading ahsoka to then completely shifting just because I posted a meme, and townreading me for it, of all the things i've done this game that are reasonable for me to be townread for. I fail to see how that ever comes from town.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

and I think the reason clidd is playing fast, cause if he is scum that's playing really fast instead of thinking he might have to stick around to f3, is because our POE could be choked with town. clidd was playing slow cause he didn't think he needed to effort.

[Amélie]

Hum.

Well, I have a problem. I did a reread on my impression on Volxen three times, reevaluated it, and I keep coming to the conclusion that he is more towny than null or scum. But this is not matching my impression of Lostego.

Now that Lostego has been eliminated, I really like clidd for this townread on them. It's much easier to blend in with the crowd on a wrong wagon than it is to defend that wagon and I think the former is what scum would choose to do. I need to take a look at that wagon later.

And I find it very difficult for Gimli to be scum, because I really liked the descriptions he attributed to the posts he engaged with me and reflected me very genuinely as he is trying to evaluate me.

If you're seeing him as scum, Dk, you have to slap me in the face (metaphorically) and show me why he's scum to you.

he's either going to dodge the elephant in the room, or he's going to scumslip. its my prediction.

consider: if you're town then he's able to case you accurately and genuinely because well, you ARE town. it's something that exists. (even though uh well. we'll see once gimli decides to pop his head out of the scum PT)

which Horsewoman posts makes u think she is town?

Spoiler: quote pile

Damn 6 pages ok i will read them..... Soon

Okay catchup starts now

horsewoman is avoiding this thread for some reason?? also who are they cause i suddenly saw them post in a certain thread that i have never seen them post in!!! im suspicious of u in the context of site user not necessarily in the context of being scum

Please direct your concerns to the MS mods, don't bring this crap into game threads. Also I have no idea who votato is.

horsewoman is avoiding this thread for some reason?? also who are they cause i suddenly saw them post in a certain thread that i have never seen them post in!!! im suspicious of u in the context of site user not necessarily in the context of being scum

new user posts in thread for first time. absolutely shocking. i should have just used quantum time travel to post in a thread before having posted in it for the first time.

Like come on man, bring the game into the game, bring your paranoid crap into the admins DMs not here.

Vote count 1.01

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Not_Mafia [2]:

Not_Mafia, Raya36

RedFlavor [1]:

DkKoba

Not Voting [6]:

clidd, Horsewoman, Ahsoka, volxen, RedFlavor, Radja

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WAIT THERES 3 MAFIA???

NVM WE NEED TO USE LIST TOMORROW LOL

#townslip gang

I mean obviously this is forced and ridiculous (doing actual game-related catchup now)

VOTE: dkkoba

the townslipping mention bothers me a bit.

LIST****
Sorry am excited someone made the mistake to shade me for that comment... was a trap i laid for scum

wow clever trap 2000/10

For the record I would have done exactly what radja did, vote for you on page 2. So this hopefully doesn't go anywhere. Sigh.

radja and ahsoka I think are town.

dkkoba I think is scum.

those are reads.

VOTE: dkkoba

wow dkkoba has 34 posts and most of them are scummy. I can't wait to have the thread buried by scum!dkkoba and us never being able to eliminate it cause he is so loud.

This, however, is a relatively lazy read from Gimli. Just finished a game with him (my first game onsite so don't expect any other meta from me) where he was scum and he was universally townread and really competent. So he's someone I want to have my eye on throughout this one.

People play expecting town to have reads, but a townie shouldn't have strong reads at this point in the game. I will converse as I see fit, and these conversations will look good to look at in hindsight, which is why I converse.

I have given my thoughts on the stuff that stood out the most.

This is the correct attitude to have I think about the game early on. I'm impressed that you're willing to articulate it in that way.

People play expecting town to have reads, but a townie shouldn't have strong reads at this point in the game. I will converse as I see fit, and these conversations will look good to look at in hindsight, which is why I converse.

I have given my thoughts on the stuff that stood out the most.

you're lockscum

Couldn't disagree more.

i think its not worth pushing volxen rn because they give me the impression of a player who thrives better when not pushed on. And if theyre scum they'll either scumtell hard or spew partners. (Or be spewed via a flip)

also im biased cause they correctly outlined my thought process uwu

Very uncool thought process. Like this is an incredibly overt, blatant attempt at diverting pressure in the game. In this game where there's 3 scum which means you need 5/6 townies to eliminate anyone, it might be more productive for scum to be more blatant in trying to defend their allies.

Back from doing Christmassy things

Anyway, notes:

DkKoba's reaction seems alright. I'm fine to back off from now. A bad play doesn't necessarily make it a scum play. In fact, DkKoba's follow up scumhunting of Redflavor for knowing the setup is equally bad.

Gimli seems alright, but might just be good scum.

Not going to bother sorting Not_Mafia. Wildcard as either alignment, if playstyle hasn't changed. Interesting question though: Not_Mafia, have you played with me before? I remember mostly modding games you were in.

Raya and clidd's posts are pretty good.

Ahsoka is unreadable for me at this point. clidd's attempt to get Ahsoka involved seems good though.

I'm not really following what Raya and clidd are arguing about.

Gimli's "regardless of clidd's alignment, Raya is locktown" seems really weird to me. Why would a clidd flip not make you reconsider your read?

Reads:

Townpool: DkKoba, clidd, Raya
Scumpool:
idkpool: volxen, Not_Mafia, Gimli, Horsewoman, Ahsoka
Pool of execution: Horsewoman, Not_Mafia, Gimli

VOTE: Ahsoka

This seems like a pretty good wagon to be on.

Okay this reads list is so bad I'm joining this wagon

VOTE: Radja.

I'm caught up, it was super easy and fast because most of the 12 pages was dkkoba spewing nonsense. Although I don't mind making short multiposts, I think posting as much as koba is is kind of anti-town (at least on mafiascum, where games are soooooooo slow), so I would advise koba to cut that aspect out of his playstyle/this game.

Gimli's playing pretty differently than he did in our game together. And by that I mean worse. I think paradoxically that makes him more likely to be town here? He's producing less reads and less analysis but that might be because he's only producing genuine reads/analysis. Want to see more from him. Koba has made a lot of posts I disagree with and posts like 223 really rub me the wrong way. Radja's reads list is so atrocious I don't think it can come from anyone trying to solve/read the game. I'm kind of biased against koba because he's accused me (without evidence) of being an alt of a guy who was apparently banned for sexual harassment, and that's a really fucking uncool thing to do. So I've got personal animus there. Post 217 from clidd I really dislike, the thought process of 'I agree with him so he's town' is itself, really artificial. I liked ahsoka's posting a reasonable amount.

Also the reason I haven't been active is because I think this setup is unbalanced as hell towards scum which makes me apathetic, and also it's goddamn Christmas.

i think its like funny cause like i feel like i care less about being townread as mafia lol.

but really its not alignment indicative for me to be defensive about every scumread on me. i dont like being scumread, even though it helps me be read.

Same, I hate getting MLd more than I hate getting correctly eliminated. If I'm scum and you guys get me, good job. If I'm town and you guys get me, I feel more like it's my fault.

thread needs more horsewoman.

I literally have almost nothing to say, this day 1 has been really weird and I'm kind of checked out. Dkkoba's hyperposting is dominating everything and I can't even read them because Im biased against them.

Radja/horsewoman/Gimli

I bet all three of these are town that seems eminently possible. If there's a scum in there it's radja.

Radja/horsewoman/Gimli

Radja/horsewoman/Gimli

the way this is my exact GtH solve rn

This sort of interaction is the sort I'd usually say wouldn't be between two scum but I think it has a high chance of being so here. That's because the setup of 3 scum out of 9 heavily incentivizes the scum to buddy up and stick together, because if all 3 are going the same way they only need 2 town to join them. So basically I'm saying that bussing is incredibly unlikely and scum overtly allying is much more possible.

gimli chose to scumclaim and not address this i guess! ^^

Spoiler:

Don't you think it is inconsistent for scum!Radja to not follow a vote in his elimination pool and sound dissonant by voting you?

I imagine that scum!he would look at the elimination pool and think "man, I need to vote for someone I mentioned in the pool that I want to eliminate" or "I'm going to add Ahsoka to my elimination pool so people won't question the consistency of my vote. ''

Or even ''well, I don't think it'll be good to say that I want to eliminate x and vote on b''.

Don't you think it is inconsistent for scum!Radja to not follow a vote in his elimination pool and sound dissonant by voting you?

I read it more genuine than that. Makes sense to want to sort someone null that has some traction right now?

I mean more in the sense that this would be a line that I think Scum!Radja would try to avoid.

Don't you think it is inconsistent for scum!Radja to not follow a vote in his elimination pool and sound dissonant by voting you?

I read it more genuine than that. Makes sense to want to sort someone null that has some traction right now?

this and the fact that 2 people I'm townreading were voting there at the time.

clidd seems to be the first one picking up on me voting outside of my execution pool. More town points for you.

The quality of my read on you depends on whether you are more dissonant as town or scum. I'm currently considering town, because as scum you would review your reads before posting and reflect on how other people would see your content.

I'm hoping to be right about that, but I don't think it would hurt me to find out that I'm wrong. Let's see

Radja, if possible, I would like you to take the time to interact in real time. I am interested in seeing how your opinions are expressed in short periods of time.

As a starting point, I wanted you to talk a bit about your impression of Raya (251) and what did you like about her post.

Hmm, let me read back on that a bit to provide some examples. I guess it was mostly a gut thing?
I try to be as transparent as possible and pretty much post whatever comes to mind as I catch up.

- saying DkKoba's "townslip" could be fabricated.
- I liked her push on you(clidd) because it doesn't seem like an easy path to me. To top that off, despite being unsure about you, Raya didn't back down to join an easy wagon when she could have easily done that.
- understanding what I was trying to do when I voted Ahsoka: sorting a null slot that my townreads were voting.

Some of those things happened after my reads list, so there's my read progression for you, in case you were interested.

I also found towny the way she approached my slot.

It reflected as genuine in the sense that she had reasons that, when I was trying to put myself in her place, made sense from a perspective of "I want to try to know your alignment", which is something that I also assimilated a little to the impression I had of Gimli. I don't think the fact that I was her scumpartner in our past game has any influence on that, because at no time did she create a parallel between the two games to justify the push in isolation (which is another positive thing imo).

Changing the subject, the fact of you voting someone null and not exactly someone in your execution pool is probably the point that I am most sympathizing with my tl on you. It seemed very genuine in the sense that you did not feel obliged to necessarily explain why you were not voting for the execution pool, as it was something that was already on your mind, and as I also unconsciously omit details sometimes that are part of the process of how I get to some conclusions (mostly as town), I believe that we have something in common (which is giving more emotional substance to my read on you).

You don't need to detail or make a wallpost, but I would be grateful if I could see what has changed in your reads after the last events.

I honestly haven't gotten a strong impression from him yet but if he's town then he is a very easy miselim target at the current gamestate and I agree that it's odd Clidd didn't come to this conclusion first considering the townread on him.

I don't know if it was possible to absorb this in my explanation, but the scenario of scum wanting to miselim him was something that came to my mind primarily. The buss scenario, which came as a secondary, was an alternative interpretation that I considered as more improbable by comparison, but not impossible.

These are the things of my read on Radja ^

I see. I read all of those posts, my problem is that I can't possibly give this any weight the way you're doing, and then there are things in radja's posting that could also be looked at as scummy, as noted by horsewoman for instance. I think my radja read will keep at null until he has something of an impact in the game. It's not someone I'm willing to flip today, that's going straight to either dkkoba or lostego.

speaking of which, I'm fine with moving to d2 as long as we're eliminating one of these two. my townpool is done and unless radja and NM start doing something different, it's not likely to change anything in this gameday.

I'm referencing the posts she made in the posts I made about her already. her evaluation on me was towny, also her thoughts on you and other emotional things I picked. she is assertive and reasonable, how I expect her to be, and I have no reason to suspect she is scum cause she never made a scummy post unlike you.

I'm going to stop here for a bit. I'm not sure how long this lasts but it is extremely unhelpful in every single possible way and I'm going to skip this shitfight to save time. My initial thought on it is that one of them is probably scum but both are so blockheaded I almost feel like its possible both are town. My main problem is Where is scum? There's not many places for scum to be but I'm town reading so many people. I still believe that Horsewoman is very townie because her first few posts matched up with my thought process replacing in really well. I've started townreading Gimli and Dkkoba recently. Clidd has always been a townread. Ahsoka I haven't seen in a while but I remember thinking she was alright. That just leaves Raya and Notmafia and that means at least one maybe more of my townreads are wrong.

[clidd]

Ahsoka, which solve is likely with Gimli, Raya, me and you as town?

Hello Miss Raya.

Spicy vote, but shouldn't you be scumreading me bc of the last pages?

Koba/Infinity/Not Mafia

Not Mafia pushed the scum team as Clidd/Amelie/Gimli when I was pushing the 3 group.

So I must be wrong on my townlean on Infinity.

Dk is your cc, so I understand that.

NM scum makes Amélie town.

[clidd]

I'll pocket you again Gimli, if you give me more time.

The difference is that I'm town doing this.

[clidd]

Idk what to think about Amélie.

Would like thoughts on her.

[clidd]

We can also stick with a plan of solving with town!Clidd theory and then consolidating into a mislim on me at the end of the day to deliver the correct information about the influence of my alignment on reads/affiliations/etc.

[clidd]

But if do choose the list, I'm not sure if that's a win-win scenario.

Although Raya argued very well about this choice on the previous page.

[Amélie]

Spoiler:

Koba gives me scumvibes sometimes but I agree with their reads so meh

I particularly dislike this and don't understand what the point in repeating "Radja is scum" over and over(without providing a single reason) is. I think Notmafia is now a real scum read of mine and not just a poe scum read.

Ok, I'm back. Gimli stills town after a reread.

And Dk, I believe that the premise that they suggested about their meta to allow a good part of their posts in this game to be nai and not subject to scumread is plausible, which would make the slot null. But this does not include the fact that using the townhunting method, it is valid for anyone to put the Dk slot placed in the scum zone if other slots have shown more towny features than Dk demonstrated. It seems that Dk is implying that if Gimli's PoE points them out as scum, Gimli must provide reasons for them to be scum, although Dk does not provide reasons to be town, which also suggests that one of Gimli's town reads would have to be wrong. Particularly, I regard Dk's angry expression as true during the discussion with Gimli, but this is something I can imagine occurring regardless of alignment, because scum!Dk can also be uncomfortable if things don't go the way they want. But, I still have doubts if this whole line of hyper aggressive action would bring any benefit to Scum!Dk, because although it creates a hostile atmosphere that repels pushs against them, it is not persuasive for them to win anyone's trust, much less be interpreted as towny. I would probably only close my eyes and cast a vote without opening a channel of communication if I was convinced that the slot is one hundred percent scum, but selfishness, aggression, self-assertion, neglect and stubbornness are very difficult for them to project from a scum mentality, unless they want to be eliminated, which I imagine is inconsistent with Dk's internal desire to stay alive and fight to avoid eliminations in their slot.



In other words, Dk reflects me as anti-town, but not necessarily scum.

This is an interesting perspective and I find that I agree with the thought process very much. Since I haven't seen much from Horsewoman recently, clidd is back to being my top townread.

I don't think Horsewoman has done anything outstanding that I can associate with town. This is the read that I have the most difficulty accepting. I'm probably missing something, what is it?

Horsewoman's posts, especially her earlier post were basically a replica of my thoughts entering this thread. The scum read on Dkkoba felt genuine and I had the exact same scum read for the exact same reasons. Later she branched off into other places that I didnt agree with but her start was very towny.

I will be disappointed if this change in mood has been simulated, Dk.

read list

now.

Right now, it's something like that:

Gimli | Raya36

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Lostego | Ahsoka

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Radja | Dk

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Horsewoman
Not_Mafia

In order of intensity. Side-by-side names indicate similar intensity, not connection between slots. Lostego is high because of Volxen. Ahsoka demonstrated some positive things, she is there because I am able to understand more what she is doing. Radja and Dk presented strange things, but I sympathize with both slots at some specific point, so I don't think about eliminating them yet. Horsewoman and N_M did not reflect me positively or negatively, so they are close to the scum zone by PoE.

pedit: No, I don't think she's scummy, but she isn't towny to me so.. Yeah, this is the problem.

pedit²: Don't worry, I have also been the protagonist of worse discussion episodes in the past. I think the discussion helped me to understand DK more, so let's move on.

I disagree with this list very much. Can you explain your Raya townread to me because I don't see it.

hi im home from work and am willing to toss aside my previous reads into the trash.

i admit in my eagerness to find scum and use my methods I went and pushed myself too hard to the point of being stressed.

the only read im retaining atm is the clidd scumread. the very fact they sat there and let me tunnel onto gimli like that just doesnt sit right with me.

idk

im fucking lost.

i hate d1s.

This reminds me of my first game on site where I was extremely tunneled and died the day I replaced in for it. I think Dkkoba is still in my null but I am townreading them more than gimli currently because I think their anger is genuine.

Radja is scum

Care to discuss why?

Thank you clidd, I still need to sort Ahsoka, so assuming this was all in good faith from you it may help.

I think this feels slightly towny but my scum read on Raya is still there. I keep feeling like something is wrong tone-wise. It could be a huge playstyle clash but I really dislike almost every single post she makes.

Post 660 great post, really genuine and plausible explanation for thought and reasoning progression. Very greenposting.

None of my town reads seem to agree with my scum read and that's worrying me.

My vote right now would be on N_M, but it's a meh wagon to push.

no i disagree, n_m has come through with assured reads and nothing to back them. i know this is kinda his thing but it doesn't excuse the behavior

VOTE: not_mafia

Lostego has defended radja before with the thinnest of reasons, saying that was a bad wagon because it was too consensus-y (which wasn't true). Interesting vote as he just explained before voting NM that NM's posts are patently NAI. so what lostego is suggesting here essentially is for us to policy elim NM. At no point there's a suggestion that NM is scum, nor the vote is designed to make him evaluate NM. This is furthering my scumread on the slot.

From what I've seen, the radja wagon just looks like an easy and lazy vote.

[clidd]

And yeah, Gimli, Ahsoka is dangerous as scum, but in my experience of scum!Me vs town!She, I felt that her towngame is weaker than her scumgame. The advantage of town!Ahsoka is that she can reconsider at any time during the game, but this does not necessarily imply accuracy of read. On the other hand, scum!Ahsoka can create a good consistency and progression of reads, but I don't think she expands so much in the analytical sense, which is why I went back and forth with my read in the slot internally.

[Amélie]

u never once engaged me in good faith btw. dont know what this "diplomacy" ur talking about is. I'm the one who backed off and decided to reeval. Why are you gaslighting?

I haven't tried solving the game?


Blatantly lying isn't going to get you anywhere here.

Why are we starting this again? Please stop. These are no fun to read, waste my time, and I'm a slow reader.

Okay so now. Talking about the actual game. Raya36 is a player I didnt realize was in this game. However I like her willingness to ask questions that arent just empty, they GO somewhere. I think there is a lot of good analysis and reasoning. Town.

Clidd and aaasoka are slots that have attracted a lot of controversy and I need to read them more closely. None of their posts have struck me.

Kobas fight with gimli isnt really AI from me. I think koba has made a lot of drastjc tonal shifts this game, but what im not seeing is the REASON for those shifts. And as someone said earlier, koba started acting comically aggressive after it was pointed out that they were aggressive as town. Town would shift tone for genuine emotional or other reasons, not to look good. I also think that there are some scum actinh loudly and engaging in theatre because there are 3 scum to play with and a lot more to position/play creatively. Hiding isnt going to work.

the more I read this post the more I dislike it. you said koba's fight with me isn't AI, but then proceeded to describe his act as 'comically aggressive' after someone pointed out they weren't being as aggressive as their town selves. isn't that supposed to be an AI aspect of his behaviour when we were arguing? and if you think there's scum acting loudly and engaging in theatre, is there anyone but koba doing so? how does that not leave you with an actual koba scumread?

I didn't think there was anything wrong with that post. I am having an extremely difficult time reading Dkkoba as well.

VOTE: horsewoman

Ok well I currently think the solve is Gimli/Raya/NotMafia
This horsewoman scum read is just terrible.

I probably won't comment on page 28. Is there anything you want me to answer, Dk/Gimli?

I see why people are saying you are letting them fight and avoiding the thread. I dont agree that means you are scum because I personally would also be avoiding fights like that.

Gonna attempt to sort some of my unsorted players. Sorry for the long post.

NM:
Not much to take from his posts. I do find the Radja fixation weird. I know typical NM won't explain any reads D1 so it's pretty tough to follow any progression but there appears to be none on this read. Also don't like the Radja/Gimli/Horse solve. I haven't sorted Radja yet but the other two appear town to me. NM is still null, leaning scum if anything (although this is in part due to PoE, not just the few concerns mentions).

Radja:
Not much here from Radja either. His 251 is alright, however vague. It was early in the game though. I don't really agree with his points on Koba being scummy just because I know Koba would do that as town, but the analysis still seems fine without maybe knowing Koba super well. I still think voting for someone in the idkpool was a good play. I feel like scum would be more conscious of their vote needing to make perfect sense. As well as this scum want to focus on a miselim, not sort their nulls. I wish more came of it though to back this up. It's difficult for me to analyze the post about me since it's just describing why he thought I was town but the reasons he posted made sense and were things I did in fact do. A couple of things there I could have easily done regardless of my alignment but he still makes a point of something that would be harder for me to have done as scum which shows a scumhunting attitude rather than just making up reads. Radja seems fine to me as a light townread. He hasn't done anything substantial but nothing pinged me as scummy either.

Lostego:
I don't remember having strong impression of volxen so I'll just focus on Lostego here. The first thing I noticed in his iso is his reads are very tonal based. "overly simulated", "condescending". Nothing wrong with this as early reads which is what they are. Just taking note of this in case it continues. Those are very easy reads for scum to make to avoid having to actually fake scumhunting and analysis. 399, what was the point in telling NM they can join the scumpool if they unvote radja by p16? If you genuinely think that NM and radja could be partners then why very clearly tell NM what to do to avoid your suspicions. I just don't see the purpose of posting that. I do like the sort of reanalysis being initiated in 407. It could be faked of course but it shows that there is thought going into his reads. I don't quite get the thought of radja being consensus? Maybe I just wasn't paying attention but I never got the impression he was consensus at any point? I do like the sudden reevaluation of radja thought instead of potentially just pushing for a miselim. The NM vote was bad and encouraging a wagon there was bad, I already explained why. I am assuming lostego is familiar with NM. I really like what he said about gimli and horsewomen in his most recent post. I don't completely agree as I explained already but it does show a deeper level of analysis which is especially better than what I was concerned with in his early iso. Overall I'm not super happy with Lostego's iso. It's not bad enough to call him scum but he's certainly not in my town/townlean pools.

Ahsoka:
Their first few posts were all mechanics or fluff which is NAI to me. 147 is a good take but not AI. I thought at first they might have been a bit overdefensive about not having reads but it seems to be more just their normal tone/playstyle so I no longer think this is the case. In the clidd/Ahsoka interaction I found myself taking Ahsoka's side my first read through which you can see a bit of in my discussion with clidd around then. If this hypothetically was a TvS situation I believe Ahsoka would be the town. I also agree with the points made against clidd during that interaction. The concern of horsewoman pocketing seemed town to me as it shows a natural suspicion town should have when being praised etc. This could just be how horsewoman expresses their points though as I just felt the same way from her in my last catchup. (Kind of unrelated to Ahsoka but seeing that just made me realize that). 366 was a good take as well. More good-play-indicative than town-indicative though. I'm having a hard time reading the bulk of the Koba/Ahsoka interaction. I may come back to it another time. I'm interested to hear more of the Koba/me pairing they mentioned recently. Ahsoka gets a town read.

New list: (all in order of strength)
Town: Gimli, Ahsoka
Townlean: Horse, Radja
Null: NM, Koba
Scumlean: Lostego
Scum: Clidd

Moving here for a bit
VOTE: Lostego

I still particularly dislike Raya. I dont think she's posted a single post this entire game that I've thought was towny and I fail to see why anyone in this entire playerlist thinks she is town. I'm having a hard time describing why I think she is scum but she just doesn't feel right and I don't know what else to say about it.

[clidd]

I'll take a break and let Amélie play.

Back later.

[Ahsoka]

People just don’t understand my town game. It’s too complex for most

[Amélie]

I'm mostly ignoring Lostego but just looking out for bad faith pushes on them because we know they are town.

[clidd]

Ahsoka scumgame:



Ahsoka towngame:

[clidd]

I mean, you are competent as town, but by comparison this is what I feel. Although you are doing good analysis here.

[clidd]

Ok, I'll go back to my break now.

[Amélie]

Hullo! not much to catch up today so let's just get on with it.

Relax, Gimli. She said she will provide reads, so we can wait and evaluate the content, and yes, Dk playstyle is just like that.

Just so we're clear, my current scumread on horsewoman is based off my interpretation of #665 and not because I think horsewoman won't post her reads eventually. I don't like that she felt the need to promise work instead of doing it, but that's minimal in comparison with her thoughts on koba and, now that you and raya mentioned it, I also find her thoughts on raya in this and 666 to be quite troublesome. The townlean is fine of course, but the strength of it seems off somehow and in many directions.

Speaking of which, I'll post a theory I have but it's not worth to talk about it further because it's an associative read that's more likely wrong than not, but I think dkkoba and horsewoman have a decent chance of being scum together. koba's push on me for my horsewoman read might be the single most surprising behaviour they took this game, and once they decided to pivot from their tunnel koba said me and horsewoman have to have the same alignment. I thought this was very interesting given my more or less universal townread status, as it could be a play designed to help horsewoman go deep by hard associating her with me as her guarantor if you will. I've seen no actual reasoning to why I must have the same alignment as horsewoman instead of e.g. just being wrong about her being town, so I'm very suspicious about this line of reasoning.

I like raya's posts as towny thought processes quite a lot and I also liked lostego's entrances. I have nothing else to say about those and now I'm gonna let it rest.

Gimli has completely stopped mindmelding with me at this point and I'm feeling better about a Gimli/Raya/Notmafia scum team.

Koba what if I told you I'm town and gimli is scum

I hate this entrance but I'll let it slide because I'm pretty sure horsewoman is town.

clidd is maybe a deepwolf if radja is scum since his reason to TR radja was not good imo, but his posting flows so naturally and his feelings about the game are so detailed that I think he's out of most people's scumranges

koba is town, their push on clidd and then taking a step back and re-evaluating felt really genuine

n_m is town cause I agree with their reads lmao

raya is I think a better pick for a radja scumbuddy as I think her play is more easily faked than clidd's at least, and she also had a bad reason to townlean radja. Also wasn't really a fan of the push on koba. I need to look at this slot more though, I remember her early posting being towny

radja hasn't done a single solvy thing all game

If ahsoka is flavor then I think he's town here because he's not trying to look town/take control of the game but not sure

Literally whenever gimli posts a read it feels like he's glossing over it a bit. It feels like he isn't giving his own reads the time they need to be properly articulated, which is super scummy.

Lostego slot has felt town to me but should probably look at this slot again as well

PEdit: cool

I dont hate this even though Radja was put as scum. Some of the reasoning is weak but I can agree with most of it. The Raya scum read. The Gimli scumread. The Ahsoka townread. The Dkkoba townread.

Changing the subject, the fact of you voting someone null and not exactly someone in your execution pool is probably the point that I am most sympathizing with my tl on you. It seemed very genuine in the sense that you did not feel obliged to necessarily explain why you were not voting for the execution pool, as it was something that was already on your mind, and as I also unconsciously omit details sometimes that are part of the process of how I get to some conclusions (mostly as town), I believe that we have something in common (which is giving more emotional substance to my read on you).

Ok this read actually feels really genuine. People tend to be biased towards people they have something in common with, so clidd weighting this read more than I do actually makes sense now. The part about unconciously omitting things is perceptive and true in general, although radja did imply that he did it on purpose in 271.

A clidd townread is good and I completely agree.

Koba, I'm not sure if posts like that ^ contributed to your SR on clidd, because normally I think why would someone post that as town? But I think his style is just posting everything he's thinking.

This is my style of posting as well. I tend to like to write everything down and as my thoughts flow, my reads change with them.

hello. amelie ur the consensus probable elim so far what do you have to say

I didnt see this when I replaced in somehow but wow I came in with some friendly greetings haha.

[Amélie]

I'm a little bit burnt out. I'll continue tomorrow.

[Ahsoka]

I was a top 3 town player this year, and honestly, I get more town solves consistently on a yearly basis than almost anyone.

[Ahsoka]

I’ve even won more town games last year, than scum games, and I rolled scum more.

[Ahsoka]

I was a top 3 town player this year, and honestly, I get more town solves consistently on a yearly basis than almost anyone.

Last year

[Ahsoka]

And I caught you in that one game I was Comical, but you replaced out

[Ahsoka]

And the thing is, when I’m pushing the incorrect reads, I still win as town because it makes it so I play Devil’s Advocate, and then I end up on scum anyways.

I have one of the, if not the, strongest late game town play of the decade. Sure, my early game has been wrong, but i actively don’t care about early game as town. That’s for late game me to worry about.

I used to get Night Killed as town every single game, so I actively troll as town so I make it to the end game.

I push reads I don’t necessarily agree with as town so I make it to the end game.

There’s a reason there’s the famous quote “Scum should always kill Boon.”

I replace into a game during a night, SkitterScum kills me immediately.

Facts