Open 805 Panic Room Day 1

[YyottaCat]

Pagetop?

[Dumb and Dumber]

well this is exciting

~ skitteR

[Green Crayons]

I thought Mena was going to convince us the slot was town.

[catboi]

Scum wouldn't want bomb to get eliminated because that would mean an early loss to them. How is his vote partner-y though? “Halfhearted” doesn't explain it very much.

My thinking was he didn't really seem to push you in a manner that made it seem like he wanted you eliminated, you basically ignored him voting you then defended him when people started voting him, and he backed down for a bad reason, it felt like if you were town he saw as eliminatable he would have been more aggressive in his attack. But that's just a theory.

Is that a strong enough case to vote you over? probably not, I prefer my infinity vote.

[catboi]

Yeah, this game died hardcore, I was expecting more. In lieu of that, her is why I am voting infiity:

Murder what do you think of GC atp? I lean town on penguin for not trying to look town

I'm going to vote here instead though because NM.

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meanwhile

VOTE: Gamma

Bad vote

MURDERCAT your play feels kinda flat rn
what's up?

Murder's play always feels flat until he hits the towny button. That said, I'm leaning town on him atm.

Murder what are you seeing with yyotta?

@whoever is interested: skitter is within top 3 players onsite with ability to read me. probably top 1 if not close to it. she has crazy accuracy on me. therefore I will consider scumreading me a scumclaim, from her specifically.

This is good context actually, thanks. I was confused about why everyone was accepting skitter's read on you when like, skitter might not be town?

I mean, she's likely forced to read lilith correctly anyway if scum, because it looks sus if she misreads her. Them being scum together is unlikely by stats, and I get the sense that lilith is relatively easy to read in general. Which is why it's odd that I seem to disagree with skitter on lilith's alignment atm. Like, being prickly/antagonistic about an SR on you and channeling that energy into aggressively questioning the person who SRs you is strongly indicative of towny OMGUS imo.

I don't have a read on yyotta atm

I don't actually know murder's scumgame, I don't really think this is it though

Agree that GC's shadow read feels a bit more genuine than before, still leaning towards him being scum

I'm townreading both hydras, Dumb & Dumber to a lesser extent because auro is confusing and skitter is good at scum.

I've looked over GC's more recent posts and fitting them into a scum mindset keeps feeling like a stretch. Don't really know who scum is outside of that.

Murdercat show us your towny soul

Murder can you explain your read on the shadow/catboi slot?

This is the part where I really feel like murder is town but I can't explain it so I'm just gonna keep saying it hoping that does something

Early on, infinity defends murder as a townlean but only has a couple weak interactions with him.

@lilith Not much has changed since I TRed skitter early, we mindmelded on GC a bit. It's not really a read I'm interested in re-evaluating until later on

Everyone is towny, let's wagon NM

VOTE: nm

Because uh

I have way too many townreads and I don't like the murdercat wagon and he's not a townread for obvious reasons

Lilith can you try to explain what's been actively scummy about murder's content as opposed to just underwhelming

I've seen flashes of a town!murder personality here and I normally soulread him as town when he's town so I'm also reluctant to elim him today

I am sorta mindmelding with gamma here because I don't want to elim murder but I also am not excited about anyone else, that's why I voted NM at least, yeah it's lazy but I want to trust my reads enough to say that me having a lot of TRs means the unreadable players are more likely scum

@infinity
catboi’s post sums up most of it I think, have you read and responded to this?

Actually just looked at your ISO and you don’t seem to have mentioned this post at all, which is interesting because this is probably the biggest scumcase on murder so far, and you seemingly hard townread this slot before catboi replaced in. Is there a reason you haven’t responded to catboi on murder or engaged with catboi at all?

- Daenerys

I read the post, it didn't really do anything for me. Most of it is like, murder is making lazy pushes and reasoning because he's kinda being lazy this game. If you're interested I can respond to it in more depth

@lilith The argument isn't "murder could be lazy town"

It's "laziness isn't scum-indicative, especially for murder"

I just don't think any of the points against murder actually make him more likely to be scum, and he's felt towny to me so far

Fair point about not searching for other scum, I've been pretty demotivated and should probably be re-evaluating my TRs. But also, when I have reasons to TR a lot of the playerlist, yeah maybe players like NM and yyota, who I don't have reasons to TR, are more likely scum

I haven't gotten townvibes from NM, I'm (very) not confident I'll be able to read NM later

PEdit: I don't see it happen often, and I don't see why murder would think that would happen in this gamestate?

When the push starts to move against murder, infinity tries to start a wagon on not_mafia instead while being dismissive of the arguments against murdercat.

Yeah I'm not arguing that murder is town for it

I was arguing against the fact that it's scummy for murder to not be here atm, I think it's NAI

Small bit of equivocation, saying he's not arguing murdercat is town while defending him.

I prefer voting murder to gamma

I have more solid reasons to TR gamma that I can go into tomorrow, it comes down to the fact that he doesn't care at all about how he's perceived

Murder I just got some townvibes, I could be wrong there ig

VOTE: murdercat

Sorry murder </3

E-1

Then, abruptly, switches to being willing to vote murdercat for seemingly little reason when the wagon on him builds up.

[catboi]

Honestly looking back at the end of day 1 makes the gamma-bomb/infinity-goon theory feel very plausible which might explain why infinity came into the day completely flat. I was going to say I like the infinity vote for strategic purposes because I had some slight uncertainty with regard to gamma, but I think I pretty much always vote menalque on an infinity goon flip.

[YyottaCat]

Why is the thread title still “Day 1”?

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VOTE: Infinity
I'm convinced again.

[catboi]

I think the mod needs a prod

[Salsabil Faria]

Hello guys, I'm really sorry for being busy. I have some important things going on, that's why can't concentrate here. Give me some time to adjust everything, please.

[Menalque]

I had a job interview which I think (?) has gone well so I’m celebrating tonight but don’t have much on tomorrow so I’ll see about reading through then

Unless the entire game is for some reason turning on my slot I don’t get why that’s like preventing other things from happening, and if it is then... ur just gonna have to wait, soz

[Salsabil Faria]

@infinity
My half-baked theory is that gamma is the bomb

~ skitter

Can't be

Infinity 324

? His 1445 looks like bussing vote.

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw, welcome

Menalque

!

[Daenerys and Dragons]

Gamma seems a little suspicious.

Infinity, GC, KITTY, Salsabil, PP are my TR.
Everyone else seems null.

can you define why you find me suspicious?
this does sorta answer my question tho

Gamma seems a little suspicious.

Infinity, GC, KITTY, Salsabil, PP are my TR.
Everyone else seems null.

can you explain these reads please

- Daenerys

@Gamma I think the way you reacted to your wagon is a little suspicious.

@lilith Infinity just seems townish during the game, GC got some fairly solid (at least how I view it) reasoning behind things although I'm not sure about his KITTY vote. I honestly don't think KITTY is that suspicious. I think he also got some town vibes. Salsabil seems to be going real deep in scumhunting this game. Something that seems town to me. PP just seems to be a passive townie.

can you explain what townvibes you got from murdercat?

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

work blew up so I’m probably not going to be around much.

yyotta slot is like, really meh. I don’t really get the feeling of solving, and recent posts are lackluster.

elim within {infinity, mena, yyotta} today I think.

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

But like fmpov, the occam’s explanation of the gamestate is a scum hardbus. Why? Bc I know that the alternative wagon yesterday was on town, which makes me think scum weren’t trying that hard to resist murdercat wagon which in turn makes me think bussing

i don't understand this either.

if gamma/mena = town, then there was a scum wagon and a town wagon, and so correct assumption is that scum bussed rather than tried to get town eliminated?

also, what would be "were'nt trying to hard to resist murdercat wagon" that wasn't infinity/gamma's reaction to the MC wagon?

I’m saying a very sensible assumption given the setup is that scum (specifically the other goon) has a v clear path to a win from a hardbus on D1 and that shouldn’t be discounted

The path would be >lim murder kitty >NK >9 players left, goon prob gets inducted into the panic room >hardbus the bomb D2 >3p lylo where the goon has led on both their buddies but can explain still being alive via NK expiring after bomb dies

logically this doesn’t make any sense unless you’re positing that dumb&dumber is bussing you and you’re the bomb. I think skitter already said this but it really does not compute. mena’s response in 1608 also doesn’t make much sense to me.

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

on reread I feel better about gc as well.

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

We’re waiting on infinity who promised a reread/thoughts and mena who promised catchup/thoughts. They’re the main two slots I’m interested in eliminating given how they defended MC yesterday. gamma in particular was arguing that NM voting MC was scummy because NM “should know that town!murder gets wagoned early.” I feel like that’s a very farfetched reason for trying to wagon NM. I don’t have much on my to-do list beyond annoying the shit out of them with questions.

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

{1278} = Don't agree with you cause like you overreacted on Dumbass ( Auro) earlier, Gamma Emerald overreacted with you too. Yes, he might have the wrong meta on you (which is according to you), but that doesn't necessarily scum indicative. Your reaction was also not calming when the 1v1 was going on. And he said that he has issues with communicating, that's why he was ignoring you which I feel genuine. Also, he may be doesn't solve the game like you're doing but I don't find him scum for this.

fine, let’s remove all the “emotional”-related things (once again, I feel like my points are not invalid just because I’m emotional, but I’m being treated like my content isn’t valid just because I’m frustrated)

Gamma’s perspective is like so far out of the realm of where my head’s at that it’s really difficult for me to believe that this is a town perspective.

- see 1432 - setting up false dichotomies and then going “oh welp guess this person must ~logically~ be scum” when that ignores all context of the game
- “wrong meta” is an understatement. you have to actively be looking at two of my worst scumgames at all time, where I rolled over like a napkin, and think that that kind of engagement is at all similar to how active or engaged I’ve been in this game.

- Daenerys

The reason I brought it up is because it seemed like gamma had completely ignored 1) what position scum!me would have to have taken on a town!skitter and town!auro; and 2) the effort I was putting into the game. again, if he wanted to say I was scum despite that or because of it, fine, but he did not consider where my slot stood in the context of the game. he chose to create a false dichotomy between my slot and another slot in two different ways (me vs penguin and me vs dumb & dumber) and then was like “oh well I guess if lilith is in two dichotomies it should be her.” that’s the same mentality I’ve taken to reads as scum before, where I set up a chain of “logic” and then just use those points to draw “conclusions,” and ignore everything else about the actual play in the game.

- Daenerys

reposting these. I think I’m still decently confident in what I said about gamma before.

- Daenerys

[Dumb and Dumber]

I'm in a similar place as lilith, basically waiting for more from infinity + mena

~ skitteR

[Daenerys and Dragons]

@salsa would like a response to the posts quoted in 1642 since I don’t think you ever responded

- Daenerys

[catboi]

Infinity is really...uh...avoiding this game, huh.

[Daenerys and Dragons]

Yeah I do wish he would post more since he said he would be, but is leaving the thread and "hoping the wagon dissipates" something scum actually do ever? Idk

Yeah I do wish he would post more since he said he would be, but is leaving the thread and "hoping the wagon dissipates" something scum actually do ever? Idk

*raises hand*

- Daenerys

is leaving the thread and "hoping the wagon dissipates" something scum actually do ever?

Yes.

I haven't gotten townvibes from NM, I'm (very) not confident I'll be able to read NM later

PEdit: I don't see it happen often, and I don't see why murder would think that would happen in this gamestate?

PEdit: I don't see it happen often, and I don't see why murder would think that would happen in this gamestate?

seems a little dismissive when you received two answers of the affirmative.

I actually don't remember a time when scum has lurked out a wagon hoping it dissipates, but maybe there's been a time where it happened and I though the scum was just demotivated or something

It just seems like a very dumb thing to do and I don't think that's really how wagons work, maybe in larges idk

that’s literally my reaction as scum to most pressure.

- Daenerys

I actually don't remember a time when scum has lurked out a wagon hoping it dissipates, but maybe there's been a time where it happened and I though the scum was just demotivated or something

It just seems like a very dumb thing to do and I don't think that's really how wagons work, maybe in larges idk

I mean - it depends on the player, but I have seen it (work) enough that it's not a good reason to use it for ++town points.

Yeah I'm not arguing that murder is town for it

.... aren’t you?

- Daenerys

Yeah I'm not arguing that murder is town for it

but is leaving the thread and "hoping the wagon dissipates" something scum actually do ever? Idk

PEdit: I don't see it happen often, and I don't see why murder would think that would happen in this gamestate?

Sorry - this seemed to be an argument for notscum!kitty which would be town!kitty

I was arguing against the fact that it's scummy for murder to not be here atm, I think it's NAI

this also feels pretty damning for infinity

- Daenerys

[Green Crayons]

Plenty of power problems throughout the U.S. the past couple of days, so I'm reserving judgment on activity.

But I am basically just waiting to hear from infinity or gamma. I could vote either tbh and am too lazy to look elsewhere at the moment.

[Green Crayons]

gamma = mena.

congrats on good job interview, too

[Daenerys and Dragons]

I think catboi was alluding to infinity posting elsewhere on site. I think it’s really just an “icing on the cake” kind of thing

- Daenerys