TM2012 - Closed Normal(Over!)

[UberNinja]

iam, go back and read again. delta is not a good lynch AT ALL.

and yes, me defending delta and saying his lynch is stupid WHEN WE BOTH LOOK BAD sure is some pretty fantastic evidence that we are scum together... NOT

[GreyICE]

I have detailed my feelings on MoS and there is something totally off about him. This is not his town play. But I said the same thing about Glork, the difference being though Im fairly certain that I have played MoS recently. MoS usually has quantifiable evidence of some kind. Having said that...

unvote

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I figure that I should keep on with the uberninja wagon, although I now have problems with it. But the pro's outweigh the cons here.

vote uberninja

(I am referring to Deltawave here as a pro)

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Are

You...

gods

Vote: Porochaz

Hey guys, he unvoted Mastermind of Sin, even though he "still has problems with him" and voted for the wagon that Mastermind of Sin is on. Speed lynch plox.

[iamausername]

That much of the defense of Haylen yesterday, particularly the weak and lame defenses that just said 'I don't really want to vote here' instead of 'she's definitely town, get your votes off her' were from scum.

Some scum were probably doing that, yeah. *cough* Prozac *cough*

But a D1 town lynch does not happen without any scum involvement at all. There were legitimate reasons for town players to think Haylen was scum yesterday, obviously. There were also scum exploiting these incorrect town players to net themselves an easy mislynch.

And looking at the players who voted for Haylen, I can follow the town thought processes behind your vote and Slaxx's vote very well. PeregrineV's to a lesser extent. I have a much harder time seeing the town thought processes behind DeltaWave's vote, or UberNinja's vote. Ergo, I conclude that one or both of them is probably scum.

[iamausername]

Hey Prozac, do you happen to know why tajo dropped out of your team? Just curious.

I'm really,

really

curious, Prozac.

[GreyICE]

That much of the defense of Haylen yesterday, particularly the weak and lame defenses that just said 'I don't really want to vote here' instead of 'she's definitely town, get your votes off her' were from scum.

Some scum were probably doing that, yeah. *cough* Prozac *cough*

But a D1 town lynch does not happen without

any scum involvement at all.

There were legitimate reasons for town players to think Haylen was scum yesterday, obviously. There were also scum exploiting these incorrect town players to net themselves an easy mislynch.

And looking at the players who voted for Haylen, I can follow the town thought processes behind your vote and Slaxx's vote very well. PeregrineV's to a lesser extent. I have a much harder time seeing the town thought processes behind DeltaWave's vote, or UberNinja's vote. Ergo, I conclude that one or both of them is probably scum.

If I produced an example of a day 1 town lynch with zero scum on the wagon, would you please vote OBVIOUS SCUM POROCHAZ?

[iamausername]

iam, go back and read again. delta is not a good lynch AT ALL.

and yes, me defending delta and saying his lynch is stupid WHEN WE BOTH LOOK BAD sure is some pretty fantastic evidence that we are scum together... NOT

Do you think that everyone who voted for Haylen was town?

If not, who on the wagon is scum?

[iamausername]

If I produced an example of a day 1 town lynch with zero scum on the wagon, would you please vote OBVIOUS SCUM POROCHAZ?

Maybe. I'd like to see it, anyway.

[DeltaWave]

I'm going to say this again so that there's no confusion: I'm not voting CD because he wasn't on the Haylen wagon. I'm voting CD because he stayed off the Haylen wagon and is now trying to cash in MAD TOWN CRED with this "I told you so, now everyone follow me" attitude. D1, he kept himself off the main wagon, did jack shit other than to make a bunch of useless comments, and now is trying to be THE SUPER TOWN CRUSADER because he didn't vote for Haylen. A vote on Cooldog is a vote for justice.

[DeltaWave]

I have detailed my feelings on MoS and there is something totally off about him. This is not his town play. But I said the same thing about Glork, the difference being though Im fairly certain that I have played MoS recently. MoS usually has quantifiable evidence of some kind. Having said that...

unvote

.

I figure that I should keep on with the uberninja wagon, although I now have problems with it. But the pro's outweigh the cons here.

vote uberninja

(I am referring to Deltawave here as a pro)

...

Are

You...

gods

Vote: Porochaz

Hey guys, he unvoted Mastermind of Sin, even though he "still has problems with him" and voted for the wagon that Mastermind of Sin is on. Speed lynch plox.

Goddamn it GI

Now I need to think about who is scummier, Poro or CD

[Porochaz]

I have detailed my feelings on MoS and there is something totally off about him. This is not his town play. But I said the same thing about Glork, the difference being though Im fairly certain that I have played MoS recently. MoS usually has quantifiable evidence of some kind. Having said that...

unvote

.

I figure that I should keep on with the uberninja wagon, although I now have problems with it. But the pro's outweigh the cons here.

vote uberninja

(I am referring to Deltawave here as a pro)

...

Are

You...

gods

Vote: Porochaz

Hey guys, he unvoted Mastermind of Sin, even though he "still has problems with him" and voted for the wagon that Mastermind of Sin is on. Speed lynch plox.

And it's not like I've found UN scum for most of yesterday as well as, you know, so far as voting him over the two leading wagons yesterday...

There are definite problems with MoS in the way that he is playing but at the same time I am allowed to re-evaluate my stance and the fact that I find UN scum combined with the fact that a UN lynch gives a pretty good sign of Deltawaves alignment is what makes it a better vote.

[iamausername]

a UN lynch gives a pretty good sign of Deltawaves alignment

How so?

[Porochaz]

Tajo didn't drop out, he was replaced, he hadn't posted in a while and I replaced in.

[Porochaz]

Because UN and Delta are like a gay couple within this thread. Look through UN's posts and see how hard he defends him.

[iamausername]

What was the date of tajo's last post in the QT? What did he talk about when he was there?

What if UN flipped town? What would that tell you about Delta's alignment?

[GreyICE]

Wait, Porochaz replaced into a slot POPULAR TAJO flaked out of?

Can you confirm that for me?

[Porochaz]

He didn't. I replaced in quite early on.

It's more if UN flips scum than town, UN flipping town means I need to re-evaluate this game, possibly look at the people trying to lead town, like Mos and Grey. It wouldn't mean Delta was in the clear, to answer your question, but my reasons for having suspicion on DW would not make sense if UN was town. Although not as apparent, the love between UN and Delta isn't one way. I can't see either of them as scum trying to buddy to a town player, partly due to their experience but mostly due to the desperation in UN's posts combined with Delta's apparent lack of concern that there is someone who is doing the defending for him.

[Porochaz]

Wait, Porochaz replaced into a slot POPULAR TAJO flaked out of?

Can you confirm that for me?

Ill confirm that for you. Yes I did. But I fail to see what it has to do with anything.

[iamausername]

He didn't.

He didn't post in the QT?

[Porochaz]

Nope. You will notice he had one post on April 21st and nothing else this year. That was his contribution to team mafia.

[GreyICE]

So you replaced before games were decided?

[Porochaz]

I wasn't sure I was allowed to reveal that or details around that. No, it was afterwards. Between roles and games

[GreyICE]

Okay.

Well... hmmm.

Nah, I like my vote.

[jasonT1981]

Fair enough.

So, while we're here, do you think there's anything fishy with Porochaz/Mastermind of Sin?

both are in my Orange pile, I do think they warrent further attention some of the interactions seem I don't like MOS 966

Prozac's case is terribly full of wholes

Oh MoS, never change.

In other news, what's your opinion on Prozac?

That's what I get for typing a post while not having slept for over 36 hours. -_-

As far as Prozac goes, I'm undecided. The spiteful player in me wants to go after him for being an idiot and actually thinking I might be scum, but the way he went about it strikes me as genuine, even if he clearly didn't think it through

at all

...Captain Murasa seems more likely scum out of that twosome, and I'd definitely be ok pursuing that today.

the spiteful player thing draws me as odd. I would rather lynch from my bottom 3 of the pool today though. I believe there is enough evedience for a Capt scum flip.

Geez, be patient. I was at school
Anyway, I'mma do that stuf very soon. Also jasons case is very situational and really doesn't work if you consider a lot of the circumstances. UberNinja said scummy stuff at the start of D2, even if he's been a town read all game so far I still can't just brush it aside. I'll respond to the rest of his case soon.

would love to hear these circumstances

ah, you did in 969.. PLEASE stop replying within quotes, it makes it harder to reply.

That post was really bad. Plus he wasn't a strong town read D1 either.

what was bad about CoolDogs post./.. see this is why I think you are scum, you say things are bad but you don't expand on it and expect to coast away without care.

CooLDoG: Ended the day voting DeltaWave, with a big long case. Starts day 2... voting UberNinja. Has forgotten about DeltaWave. Que que? Does not compute.

It's probably easier to mislynch UN today that it is to mislynch me.

Haylen was after me for self-preservation reasons and Glork ultimately decided to move away from my wagon at the last moment, so he probably wouldn't have voted me today. This means that a mislynch on me will be very difficult today, but a mislynch on UN is possible. Simple strategy.

bolded for WTF... how do you know it will be a mislynch.. oh thats right, sxcum know already who is not on their side and waht will and wont be mislynch.. yea, you die too.

That's not me not taking the initiative, that's me not knowing what to do.

convienient, since you have not done much this game but babble with empty posts...

Yesterday, we lynched a town player. Today, DeltaWave, who voted for that town player, is voting someone who didn't vote that town player, for not voting for that town player.

NOPE (read my posts again)

why not just give us the details instead of not answering properly...

If I produced an example of a day 1 town lynch with zero scum on the wagon, would you please vote OBVIOUS SCUM POROCHAZ?

Maybe. I'd like to see it, anyway.

I would not hop on a wagon, due to events in other games... completly circumstantail. And have no bearing in this game whatso ever... I would be interested in seeing though.

I'm going to say this again so that there's no confusion: I'm not voting CD because he wasn't on the Haylen wagon. I'm voting CD because he stayed off the Haylen wagon and is now trying to cash in MAD TOWN CRED with this "I told you so, now everyone follow me" attitude. D1, he kept himself off the main wagon, did jack shit other than to make a bunch of useless comments, and now is trying to be THE SUPER TOWN CRUSADER because he didn't vote for Haylen. A vote on Cooldog is a vote for justice.

ok, slightly better explination rather than go look for it.

Because UN and Delta are like a gay couple within this thread. Look through UN's posts and see how hard he defends him.

ever heard of scum buddying town?

Alright, at the end of this, though I don't agree with all UberNinja says, He has moved up into the light green in my book, as has Iamausername. Still not the strongest town vibes from them but I can see what they are saying as coming from a town sided point of view.

[Porochaz]

1015 for reasons why, in this instance I don't think its scum buddying town.

[jasonT1981]

Oh gold mine!! scum is caught, trapped and backtracking! not knowing what she said d1!

That post was really bad. Plus he wasn't a strong town read D1 either.

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LETS REVIEW DAY 1 THOUGHTS OF COOLDOG

Skimming/reading through ISO's:
CooLDoG is nullish atm.

CoolDog's big post about me + vote is completely disingenuous and isn't saying anything new.

He's parroting and hoping that nobody notices he's scum with Haylen. Too bad, bro. You're scum.

Just because other pepole might have made the argument before doesn't invalidate the argument.

I like this, it really sounds like it came from town.

CoolDog's big post about me + vote is completely disingenuous and isn't saying anything new.

He's parroting and hoping that nobody notices he's scum with Haylen. Too bad, bro. You're scum.

Just because other pepole might have made the argument before doesn't invalidate the argument.

I like this, it really sounds like it came from town.

CooLDoG:

Let's not go down the meta happy trail. I have seen a trend in team mafia where people go supper crazy over last years meta (check almost normal, I think). This ends here. Scum can hide behind these bullshit meta arguments and I'm not going to let this game divulge into "I can quote more games than you! HA, you are scum".

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Over defensiveness is a scum tell. I don't think it can necessarily be applied here, but if one paragraph can refute an argument just as well as a 5 paragraph wall, use the one paragrapgh. Hold off all of the links if you are pressed. It makes the game easier to read and harder for scum to hide.

I thought this was kinda scummy because he's kinda parroting what everyone else said but changing the wording a bit to make it look like he wasn't.

Just because other pepole might have made the argument before doesn't invalidate the argument.

I found this townie because it really sounds like something a townie would say in that context.

Not a strong town read D1 but enough that you declared as town MANY TIMES! CAUGHT IN YOUR LIES

Lynch this now please!!!