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Post Post #1600 (ISO) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:15 am

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In post 1599, morph the cat wrote:
VOTE: Quill


Money, meet mouth.
This feels like empty posturing. Quill isn't going to be lynched today. You know this. So I don't see what this vote is supposed to achieve. Except serve as a way for you to say "oh, look, we're definitely not partners with Quill, honest!", obviously, but it's not very convincing as that, either.

Why aren't you trying to solve the game, as you talked about doing earlier? If Quill is scum and you aren't, his partner is either username or SpyreX. Which of those two do you think is more likely to be scum? If you think SpyreX might be scum, tell me how that makes sense.

(Also, please stop ignoring the underlined part of my last post.)
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Post Post #1601 (ISO) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:22 am

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In post 1600, Hadrian wrote:
In post 1599, morph the cat wrote:
VOTE: Quill


Money, meet mouth.
This feels like empty posturing. Quill isn't going to be lynched today. You know this. So I don't see what this vote is supposed to achieve. Except serve as a way for you to say "oh, look, we're definitely not partners with Quill, honest!", obviously, but it's not very convincing as that, either.
It is empty, in that I don't expect to change the lynch momentum, other than to possibly nudge it my direction. But, if we're right then I don't want to look back on day 4 and think "why didn't I at least put teeth in my stance?"
Why aren't you trying to solve the game, as you talked about doing earlier? If Quill is scum and you aren't, his partner is either username or SpyreX. Which of those two do you think is more likely to be scum? If you think SpyreX might be scum, tell me how that makes sense.
We think SpyreX might be scum, but it's as much paranoia as anything. AUN hasn't really fought this lynch all that hard, which maybe is because of what his lynch does to the game state in terms of cleared players if he's town, and maybe because he thinks it improves his partner's position if he's scum.
(Also, please stop ignoring the underlined part of my last post.)
Not ignoring it. You think the gambit was poorly thought out. You may be right. If there's something more you want from me about that, you'll have to spell it out.
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Post Post #1602 (ISO) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:23 am

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In post 1601, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1600, Hadrian wrote:
In post 1599, morph the cat wrote:
VOTE: Quill


Money, meet mouth.
This feels like empty posturing. Quill isn't going to be lynched today. You know this. So I don't see what this vote is supposed to achieve. Except serve as a way for you to say "oh, look, we're definitely not partners with Quill, honest!", obviously, but it's not very convincing as that, either.
It is empty, in that I don't expect to change the lynch momentum, other than to possibly nudge it my direction. But, if we're right then I don't want to look back on day 4 and think "why didn't I at least put teeth in my stance?"
Why aren't you trying to solve the game, as you talked about doing earlier? If Quill is scum and you aren't, his partner is either username or SpyreX. Which of those two do you think is more likely to be scum? If you think SpyreX might be scum, tell me how that makes sense.
We think SpyreX might be scum, but it's as much paranoia as anything. AUN hasn't really fought this lynch all that hard, which maybe is because of what his lynch does to the game state in terms of cleared players if he's town, and maybe because he thinks it improves his partner's position if he's scum.
(Also, please stop ignoring the underlined part of my last post.)
Not ignoring it. You think the gambit was poorly thought out. You may be right. If there's something more you want from me about that, you'll have to spell it out.
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Post Post #1603 (ISO) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:01 am

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: awesomeusername
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Post Post #1604 (ISO) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:03 am

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Post Post #1605 (ISO) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:17 am

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In post 1602, morph the cat wrote:But, if we're right then I don't want to look back on day 4 and think "why didn't I at least put teeth in my stance?"
If SpyreX and Quill turns out to be the remaining scum, will you feel much better because you cast a single vote for Quill on day 4 which you knew probably wasn't going to lead to him being lynched? (This is meant to be a rhetorical question, by the way -- the answer is meant to be "no".)

I mean, look. If Quill is scum, then either SpyreX is scum or username is scum (because username being town means Porkens and I are confirmed town). If you are town, why not try to work out which of SpyreX and username is most likely to be Quill's partner? Isn't that a more productive thing to do than merely casting isolated votes?
In post 1602, morph the cat wrote:Not ignoring it. You think the gambit was poorly thought out. You may be right. If there's something more you want from me about that, you'll have to spell it out.
It's not merely that I think the gambit was "poorly thought out". Most gambits are poorly thought out.
That's why they happen in the first place.


My problem is that, right now, I don't see how your claimed actions/decisions make
any sense
if you're town. I can't read the start of day 2 and reconcile what happened with the idea that you took the actions on night 1 you claim to have taken.

That's really something I want to talk to other people about; but I'd like to nail down the timeline of events as well. This is what I think you're saying has happened:

0) You have a role which lets you redirect players' night actions to new targets. The players you target also get a post restriction: if they don't include a certain phrase in all but two of their posts, they lose their vote.

1) On night 1 you targeted Surye and tried to redirect him to hiplop. You gave him a three word phrase to post.

2) As soon as day 1 began, you told everyone to post the message "I did not shoot anybody last night".

3) When Surye posted this message as instructed, you took that as a possible sign that he hadn't been given a post restriction.

4) Presumably then you assumed that if Surye had been given a post restriction, he would
not
have posted the message you asked everyone to post.

5) You then asked the mod if you would be shown as targeting hiplop in the event that your action worked successfully.

Is that right?
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Post Post #1606 (ISO) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:18 am

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Oh, for crying out loud...
In post 1603, awesomeusername wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: awesomeusername
Why did you do this now?
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Post Post #1607 (ISO) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:19 am

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Because he's scum.
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Post Post #1608 (ISO) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:19 am

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Something about where this convo was going made it time to self-hammer, I guess.
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Post Post #1609 (ISO) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:20 am

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That probably should take a ton of SpyreX-paranoia off my plate. Maybe it will after I think about it.
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Post Post #1610 (ISO) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:21 am

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In post 1607, morph the cat wrote:Because he's scum.
He'd better be.
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Post Post #1611 (ISO) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:37 am

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Final Vote Count 4.08:

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch!

morph the cat (L-4):
Porkens (L-4):
Quill (L-3): morph the cat
SpyreX (L-4):
awesomeusername (L-0): Quill, Porkens, SpyreX, awesomusername
Kdub (L-4):
Hadrian (L-4):

Not Voting: Kdub, Hadrian

V/LA:

Deadline is in (expired on 2014-04-17 20:17:36)

Flip incoming...
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Post Post #1612 (ISO) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:43 am

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Day Four Lynch Flavor:

The party stood around and the anchovy pizza and stared. Who could have done this? Who was this good?

A slurping noise drew the attention of the guests. AwesomeUserName was licking his fingers and not paying attention to the others.

"Is that... pizza cheese on your fingers?" TBP asked. AUN looked up surprised.

"Oh uh... no?" He stammered out. The guests moved in around him. "Ok fine! It was me!"

"But why? Why would you do this?" TBP asked confused. AUN picked up his game.

"Because my game is the only one we should be playing! All these other games are just a waste of time!" AUN declared. "If you can't see that, then I don't even want to be here!"

AUN stormed out of the house, his game in his hand. As he exited the door, however, he tripped and Resistance went flying out of his hand. It hit the ground and bounced forward, coming to a rest in the street. AUN stood back up and dusted him self off. He looked and saw his game in the road. Just as he moved forward toward it, a car came by and ran his game over. AUN's jaw dropped. "NO!"

He turned back to the house just in time to see TBP slam the door in his face.


Awesomeusername was quelled Day Four! He was
Resistance, Mafia Role Cop-Vote Freezer
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Night Four begins now. All night actions must be submitted in (expired on 2014-04-12 15:43:01)
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Post Post #1613 (ISO) » Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:09 pm

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Night Four Flavor:

TBP smiled as he turned back to his remaining guests. "Ok... I think we can safely say that the worst of the night--"

Before TBP could finish his sentence, a flash of light from the living room caught his attention. "Oh no... the games!"

The guests rush back into the living room and see a blaze on the coffee table. "What the hell?!"

TBP rushes into his kitchen and finds a fire extinguisher that he has kept for emergencies. He grabs it and runs back to the living room. The fire extinguisher lets out a torrent of nitrogen that smothers the fire and fills the room with a white mist.

"How the hell did that fire start?" TBP wonders aloud. Before anyone can answer him, Hadrian suddenly dashes forward.

"NO!" Hadrian cries. He picks up the charred remains of a board game. The only word legible on the cover is "Rome".

Hadrian gathers up the game and ashes and slowly walks over to the trash can where he deposits the destroyed pieces. Hadrian looks solemnly at TBP. "Thanks for the invite..."

With those last words, Hadrian leaves the house.


Hadrian was defeated Night Four! They were
Glory to Rome, Town Gladiator (With A Prize!)
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Day Five begins now.
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Post Post #1614 (ISO) » Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:10 pm

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Vote Count 5.00:

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch!

morph the cat (L-3):
Porkens (L-3):
Quill (L-3):
SpyreX (L-3):
Kdub (L-3):

Not Voting: morph the cat, Porkens, Quill, SpyreX, Kdub

V/LA:

Deadline is in (expired on 2014-04-26 19:10:47)
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Post Post #1615 (ISO) » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:01 pm

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Vote: Morph
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Post Post #1616 (ISO) » Sat Apr 12, 2014 4:17 pm

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ok so awesomeusername's interactions with madot was mostly in the 3rd person to beseech his partner repeatedly to post something that would justify an unvote.

Thinking about what sorts of interactions I could expect with his other partner and combing through ISOs commences.
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Post Post #1617 (ISO) » Sat Apr 12, 2014 4:33 pm

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In post 181, Madotsuki wrote:
In post 36, morph the cat wrote:Other head here. I think that the procedure and process of putting together, agreeing on and enforcing a charter would give scum a lot of room for posting stuff that doesn't move the game state forward. I also think it would be a rare charter group that could avoid being infiltrated by at least one scum.
I agree with this.
With the charter there's something amiss.
In post 26, Porkens wrote:Madotsuki, I think we should hang everyone who looks like scum, and I think going through the process of drafting the charter will help us figure out who isn't helpful and needs to die first.
So tell me what you've gleaned
from this drafting process.
For all that you've dreamed
All I see is a mess.

This is all a huge distraction
from elimination of that evil faction.

Still, you seem town
for putting this charter down.
If you were scum you wouldn't try,
you would just use the normal lie.
In post 93, Hadrian wrote:Here's the problem. All of you are just talking the magna carta redux. And talking about the charter, no matter what position you take, is the most alignment irrelevant thing. It's not scumhunting. You can't actually get an accurate read on someone based on whether or not they agreed with the charter. I'm especially disappointed with the morph hydra for actually admitting that they have early town reads on the people who agrees with the charter. Like that is the most shallow of "scumhunting" there is.
Thank you
For saying what I was thinking too.
In post 93, Hadrian wrote:And that brings me to porkens, who I'd really love to write off as town right now, but the thing is that he could have totally thought of the charter before had and just decided to keep it.
You think that's so,
that he'd give it a go?
In post 140, hiplop wrote:
In post 128, SpyreX wrote:I could get behind suyre but

@Hiplop:

Explain how you get from your first post to that post in your head.
uh...reading? first post was rvs iirc
Can someone explain what hiplop is trying to say?
Surely there's one out there who knows of a way.
In post 154, HighShroomish wrote:awesome- I gave two posts with different reactions to the charter. The first was a reaction to why he would have made the charter if he was scum- as a way to keep scum alive. The second was a reaction to the town reason- honestly wanting to make play better. The first is just blown off. The second, on the other hand, is treated like a muddy raccoon.
In what way does this make sense?
Your posting manner seems devilish
And so as a consequence
Vote: HighShroomish


Why you would divide your responses so
is a complete mystery to me.
This explanation seems made up, you know.
I will await your demise gladly.
In post 159, morph the cat wrote:I personally found your replies in 154 and 156 to be genuine-town as fuck, and my other head agrees.
In post 160, Hadrian wrote:I do agree that highshroomish looks town though.
I trust you two, to some extent.
But I do not know how you went
and found a town read on High Shroomish
for whom you should have a doom wish.
In post 164, HighShroomish wrote:Ah, yes, because having a grand total of six posts over the past two days means he is definetely ignoring the thread. Definitely not lurking elsewhere.
You do have this right.
I doubt there is a secret to bring to light.
Living players not mentioned in this wall: SpyreX, Quill, kdub

Also, awesomeusername wasn't mentioned.

however, in and she replies to kdub.

she replies to awesomeusername in a manner that is sort of distancing.

is an answer to SpyreX' question about targeting. And , where she is cagey about whether she targeted rolodex.

- first mention of quill, and a vote on us.

FoSes of highshroomish and us.

Sooo...one mention of Quill.
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Post Post #1618 (ISO) » Sat Apr 12, 2014 4:48 pm

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why didn't you redirect Quill per the plan?
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Post Post #1619 (ISO) » Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:18 pm

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67 posts isn't a ton, but awesomeusername left more to pore through than madot by far.

Early-ish Day 1 votes:

Hiplop
Surye (pere)
1baldeagle (rolodex)

Spoiler: day 1 reads list
In post 296, awesomeusername wrote:Sorry, I know I promised this yesterday, but I had this big post typed out and it got deleted. So these reads are as of post ~269. I'll post my thoughts on everything since then, including changes in my reads, shortly. Anyways, here's my promised read list:

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LastManStanding - I'm not really sure why people are scumreading LMS so hard after just two posts. Nothing really sticks out as that scummy to me besides maybe the claiming suggestion, but perhaps I should reread those posts a few times.
Null
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morph the cat - Not really sure what to think of this slot, honestly. The surety of Surye-scum was weird, and I think it’s especially odd how quickly that went away. There’s more commentary coming from morph than active information gathering, and they’re not really initiating interactions with others much. Then again, most of what morph has to say is pretty pro-town, but that’s fake-able.
Null-scum
, need to reread more intensively.

Madotsuki - I was going to complain here about how little she's contributed, but looking back, Madotsuki may not have posted that often but I like what she has said. It's focused and to the point. The self-imposed post restriction is kinda weird, but as Hadrian pointed out, she used it in the sign-up thread, so it's probably not alignment indicative.
Leaning town
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Porkens - This is my paranoia read, I suppose. I'm inclined to call Porkens town because he suggested the charter and is calling town to a higher level of play, but every now and then he has these posts which just rub me wrong. I do like the fact that he wrote up a case on me (did that reading at someone else's suggestion, too) and is now engaging me rather than writing me off as scum, though.
Leaning town
.

Quill - His posts read to me like they're definitely coming from a town mindset. I'm not fully convinced of his towniness, though, since I feel like he's not trying super hard to search for scum.
Leaning town
.

SpyreX - I like SpyreX’s positive reaction to Porkens’ attempt to raise town’s level of play. He zeroed in on the important pro-town stuff, too, and used the charter discussion to try to develop reads. Further, his reads seem to get at the heart of players’ motivations, rather than dealing with vague scumtell stuff.
Probably town
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HighShroomish - He plays differently than everyone else; he has different opinions on some things and does some things differently. I don't think his playstyle is quite as pro-town as it could be, but what he says is internally consistent and checks out. I'm thinking he's town for basically the opposite reason that I'm under suspicion; he's not afraid to differ from everyone else.
Leaning town
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hiplop - I disagree with a lot of his logic, though bad logic itself isn’t a scumtell. I’m scumreading him because of his general attitude toward the game. I feel like he’s not really trying very hard. It seems like he’s just kind of hoping he slides by without trying too hard to influence the game (and using his weird logic to justify this), and that seems scummy to me.
Leaning scum
.

Kdub - I really, really like how much he's scumhunting and his method of doing so. He's not being manipulative or overly aggressive but rather thoughtful and inquisitive. He's not afraid to get his hands dirty, either. I find all this incredibly pro-town, though could be fake-able.
Probably town
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Surye - I've got nothing. I mean, his not posting for the first few pages while posting elsewhere was very mildly scummy, but easily explainable by real life stuff. And nothing really sticks out as particularly townish or scummy from what he's posted.
Null
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1baldeagle1 / Rolodex - I thought eagle’s play was scummy since his stance on the charter was basically “It’s all a distraction,” but he just mostly talked about the charter, without really trying to change the subject. I like Rolodex’s eagerness to develop reads on people, though, and that read on eagle is based on remarkably little information. I’m always kinda confused about what I think about replacements like this.
Null
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Hadrian - The first part of post alone is enough to make me townread them. They didn’t just complain about how the charter was being a distraction, but actually did something about it. And throughout the thread, I’m seeing thoughtful posts that seem to come from a town perspective.
Probably town
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So my only real scumread right now is hiplop. I'd really like to see more from Surye and LMS though.

UNVOTE: Rolodex

I'll place my vote somewhere after I analyze the last page or so.


summary
leaning town: madot, porkens, quill, highshroomish
prob town: hadrian, spyrex, kdub
null: LMS, 1baldeagle1/rolodex
leaning scum: us (posts were protown but fakeable. heh)
scum: hiplop

day 1 votes after the big reads list:

hiplop then unvotes in because L-1 and didn't want the day to end early. didn't have a vote down at the end of day.

Mentions of Quill day 1:

- response to a question about the charter
- asks highshroomish if he thinks quill's treatment of his 2nd post was scummy
- says he'll get back to quill with a reads list
- apologizes to quill about going to bed before posting reads

Mentions of SpyreX day 1:
- concerns about policy lynching, agrees with SpyreX' reads list (given his flip, I think this reads like scum buddying town)
- asks SpyreX if he's scumreading baldeagle or wants to policy lynch him. Says hadrian, spyrex and kdub are strongest townreads.


Mentions of Porkens day 1
- first post of game, asks porkens about "hyper-policy-lynching" wrt charter
- concerns about policy lynching, asks highshroomish if he thinks porkens is scum (feels scum v town to me though it's hard to say why)
- asks baldeagle if anyone besides porkens looks scummy
- asks porkens about "middle rail" comment
- ask hiplop if he's saying porkens posts are useless
- reminds porkens about a question
- spoilered response to porkens calling him out for hedging. doesn't feel like a scum vs scum interaction
- appears to give up on getting feedback from porkens about the hedging stuff

Not tracking what he said about kdub because inno child. not tracking what he said about us because I'm not going to build a case on us not being scum. I'm more concerned about sorting everyone else.

I have a huge ingoing bias toward Quill being scum, and the above doesn't dispell that. The interactions with Quill are quite shallow on day 1 compared to other the other living players who aren't kdub.
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Post Post #1620 (ISO) » Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:23 pm

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In post 1618, Porkens wrote:why didn't you redirect Quill per the plan?
We did?

Cabd put the action in, and to my knowledge he followed the plan. He has PA on skype and has been sending our actions in that way.
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Post Post #1621 (ISO) » Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:25 pm

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I'll post day 2-4 tomorrow.
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Post Post #1622 (ISO) » Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:42 pm

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I was motivated again last night. My first motivation allowed me to watch someone else. No one visited Spyrex. This second motivation did something different. Unless there is a huge amount of paranoia, i suggest we lynch morph now and quill tomorrow.
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Post Post #1623 (ISO) » Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:54 pm

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Why did you ask me that question?
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Post Post #1624 (ISO) » Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:01 pm

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In post 1511, Hadrian wrote:On the other hand ... say username is lynched today and he flips scum. Then have Morph agree to redirect us to target Quill tonight.
I sent this in.
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