Mini 1626: Duck Tales Mafia (Game Over)

[Bulbazak]

Okay, let's try this, mastin: I have some hypothetical questions for you.

A) You are given an ability that forces you to kill exactly 6 players, right now. If you kill all of the scum, you win. If any scum survive, you lose. Who do you target?
B) You are given an ability that forces you to kill 1 player, right now. If you kill a scum, you also die. Who do you target, and why?
C) You are given an ability that forces you to switch two players alignments, right now. If they have the same alignment, you die and lose the game. Who do you target?
D) You are given an ability that let's you turn another player into a cop, who do you target?
E) You can choose to gain one of the following abilities: track, protect, roleblock, 1-shot vig. Which do you select?

This screams inventor.

[Bulbazak]

Especially the last one.

[KittyCupCake]

This screams inventor.

mastin's scum meta apparently includes her planning ahead and having a response ready for most things. -I just wanted to throw some unexpected questions at her, things she really couldn't have prepared ahead for, to see how she reacted naturally, on her feet.

Anyway, I knew she was a PR at that point. If I were an inventor, I wouldn't have been looking to hand her another ability on top of that.

UNVOTE: Bulba

I really don't think you just pulled this out of thin air, your read on me just makes so much sense through this lens; and the fact that I'm both alive and unblocked despite this is giving me doubts that you're scum.

VOTE: pasch
Come on, please tell me there's a chance of this.

[Bulbazak]

I might join you on that.

@Mod: Can we get a VC?

[DOMO]

Do you want to know how I know this is fake? Because you've seen my promise to quick lynch anybody who quickhammered in NY165. I was town and you were scum, so for you to say that my reaction was not natural is huge lie.

jeez I don't bloody remember this kind of shit, that was my first game here. I thought you were scum in the game I played with you until I looked.

I think it's fairly clear that I meant scum read. It's disturbing me that you are honing in on a nitpicky wording mistake and using it as a means to discredit me.

I have to say I agree with this. When I read "townread" I had to read it again for context. Once I'd read the post I realised it was a typo. I left it alone. I mean I made a similar mistake recently, only I corrected mine. Why isn't that of interest to pasch? He's having to look hard for reasons to point the finger at people.

Also, the kitty inventor post is probably a good reason why she's scum. Why wouldn't that get her killed? If I were scum, I'd be looking for that kind of shit through the night.

[DOMO]

jeez I don't bloody remember this kind of shit, that was my first game here. I thought you were scum in the game I played with you until I looked.

This is wrong, I'm getting you mixed up with pasch here. Ignore this.

[ArcAngel9]

Vote Count 3.1

Bulbazak

- Doubleslap, Perpetual Nonsense,

DOMO

- Bulbazak

KittyCupCake

- EXAKT Science, Paschendale

Paschendale

- KittyCupCake

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Day3 ends in (expired on 2015-01-09 00:40:00)
DOMO is v/la till DEC 28
Bulba is v/la till DEC 29

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Bulbazak

[ArcAngel9]

VOTE: Bulba Sorting this is my priority right now, sticking to my original read, my initial reads are usually a lot more accurate, and I have no idea how to read Marquis

This vote is not accounted. Please refer rule #3 under Voting Rules!!
To all,
Please don't misuse this rule in your advantage, pretending to a violate a rule equals to violating rules.

Spoiler:

3) Keep all your votes in a new line, don't mix them in conversations or in statements.

[Doubleslap]

Catching up and im thinking there has to be /at least/ 1 scum between bulbazak, pasch, or nm (sort of maybe kcc as well)
i initially thought kcc to be scummy but then that receded so idk now

also im getting more kinda eh on bulbazak, thought he was real scummy but now with the recent dicussion my read is going down
but at the same time i still feel like he's scum so im all kinds of eh
+the people im townreading are scumreading him

but if i had to rank from most likely to be scum to least it'd probably be
tier 1:bulb, pasch (not at the same time)
tier 2: kcc
tier 3: nm

[Doubleslap]

oh yes! fyi both me and marquis will be v/la from dec 28-30 for vacation and things

[DOMO]

Ok I'm saying it out loud... kitty and pasch are trying to bus the shit out of each other for the creds.

[DOMO]

I'm not doing very well ignoring the internet while I'm with the family.

[farside22]

This is going to look odd but with phone posting it is easier to quote stuff and post under the quoted stuff.

I'm still scum reading the nm slot and here is why.
See below quotes for details

Spoiler:

Agree with the scum reads on Bulbazak on page 11-12, this post especially looks scummy, bold in particular

Wisdom, one of these days you'll learn how to actually scumhunt.

Why is Kitty scum? Why is everyone on her wagon town? Because that's what you're suggesting. You have taken zero interest in figuring out her or my alignment. If you thought my stance was BS, then you should have asked me how I came to my reads on everyone. I've been very clear on my Kitty, TW, and Pasch reads. Less so on my Aronis and Jeckel reads, mostly because they are developing. Aronis's first and only post is opportunistic as crap and exactly what I'd expect from scum him. Jeckel might be town, but his first post, which jumped on the emerging Kitty wagon, felt very mechanical. The only legit vote I've seen is Farside, and that looks to be largely personal. So again, what's the Kitty case?

Push on Bulba feels off. I don't see much scumminess from Bulba, much less what Hydreigon is showing

Yeah I feel pretty good about Bulba scum

Mastin's rage posting seems like it's coming from a place of "I'm scum but I'm not scum for this"

That's page 22, Mastin's rage posting and subsequent wall exhausted me, still very little happening, game dominated by a few voices, mainly Shiny who I'm townreading. Feeling conflicted about TW, his complete lack of anything bothers me but when he does do something or places a vote they make little sense from scum. I could see him with mastin though

Eh, went to the next page, actually like this for not scum-scum interaction

Lolwut
"I can never read this guy" isn't a policy reason.

It's more than that.
-I policy-lynch policy-lynchers.
-You've done a fair amount of complaining.
-You haven't actually generated content, relying on the complaining and policy-lynch to get you through.

Does this make you scum?

No, not necessarily, although it certainly makes me receptive to the idea.
But when combined with the fact THAT I can never read you?

Yep, I'd lynch you.

I'll let you get away with only so much on you being PINE.

Hate Aronis' post but Pine's response doesn't look like a buddy response, too quick to agree

oh and why is that?

R~

Kitty is still obvscum.

You're being so anti-town, scum is the only logical solution.

Subject: Mini 1626: Duck Tales Mafia (Night1)

^This. Hydreigon is being so grossly counterproductive, they're either aggro scum or Town we need to ditch. Either way, the sooner the better. D1 is usually a shot in the dark, so it might as well be cutting out dead weight

I'm clear of my holiday V/LA. I'll have that analysis tomorrow

(In fact, I'm deeply restraining myself from doing exactly that.)

Stop being so dramatic. Instead of all this grandiose oratory, just make a simple case or two. Give me some reason to believe that your reads are correct. I'm certainly not going to do it just based on how loudly you claim to be right. Convince me to vote along with you. That's the one thing you're completely failing to do this game.

I hate this kind of empty grandstanding in general but it's also the kind of thing town Pasch comes out with, leaning scum with it though, Pasch town usually has more of an entitled vibe, this looks more hollow and constructed.

I agree with Shiny in regards to House in their spam war in pages ~30 or so, but I don't see Kitty as scum, seems like she town building a read out of personal dislike

841 Why did my 10 page catch up warrant a vote when your 16 page catch up was pretty similar

Wasn't liking Farsides push me/my slot, feeling better about it reading the context for it

Subject: Mini 1626: Duck Tales Mafia (Night1)

Fuck it, lynch me.

Tired of the bullshit.

VOTE: Total Wreck

This comes seemingly out of nowhere and doesn't fee sincere in the way stuff like typically does

Whenever Aronis posts, I don't understand what the point of it was, leaning scum posting for the sake of it over exasperated town just lurking and waiting to die.

Subject: Mini 1626: Duck Tales Mafia (Night1)

Self voting is completely unacceptable.

VOTE: Total Wreck

This is terrible, unsure what Pine's reaction and the TW/Pasch interaction says about their alignments, could be scum theatre, especcially with the encryptor flips, but I feel like I'm being too stubborn with the reads and don't want to just say this means at least one of them is town


House 1003 and on actually feel very town, settling on Pasch scum and House town.

More lecturing grandstanding "look how town I am" posting from Pasch.

Stupid fucking one-liners like this that ignore the fundamentals of the game just piss me off. Stop lying. Stop wasting everyone's time. Stop spewing nonsense. Just admit that you're scum and that you're just trying to protect yourself and we can lynch you and then kill your buddies. For fuck's sake, it's getting old!

This in particular feels fake and deliberately the constructed, The constant full stops, the exclamation mark. This isn't a genuine reactions, it's someone trying to craft an argument

Screw it, Romi's town because Bulb's not, Pine's not, and Pasch's not.

Not ready to call mastin a townread, or even a nullread, but I could sheep this list

Aronis' posting on page 45 is a joke but feels town

Really dislike Pasch's refusal of the reachout in 1131

Need to look at how he reacts to pressure as scum though because he posts like he did to Kitty as town when under fire.

Aronis looks town on 46 and 47.

Okay read up to where I subbed in, maybe I'll read after that again, maybe not, but had enough of this game for one day

Shiny Hydreigon

KittyCupCake

DOMO

GuyInFreezer
Aronis

Doubleslap
farside22

mastin2
Total Wreck

Bulbazak

Paschendale

VOTE: Pasch

We've got someone at L-1, if there's consensus for me to hammer or declare intent to curb apathy I will

Waiting for mod to show up and hopefully modkill House so we can move on from this to either DOMO gloating or ending this tunnel. There's still a lot I dislike about TW from D1 but late D1 and today looks like frustrated town to me, the later parts frustrated town resigned to his lynch.

Timing of Pasch's vote noted

I would probably actually be more interested in a Bulba wagon tomorrow.

also wtf tw
pretty sure he got a guilty on bulba but why get yourself modkilled like. wow. claim your result as it is before dying next time so it's not ambiguous
VOTE: bulba

This post stinks

Having said that

Wisdom, one of these days you'll learn how to actually scumhunt.

Why is Kitty scum? Why is everyone on her wagon town? Because that's what you're suggesting. You have taken zero interest in figuring out her or my alignment. If you thought my stance was BS, then you should have asked me how I came to my reads on everyone. I've been very clear on my Kitty, TW, and Pasch reads. Less so on my Aronis and Jeckel reads, mostly because they are developing. Aronis's first and only post is opportunistic as crap and exactly what I'd expect from scum him. Jeckel might be town, but his first post, which jumped on the emerging Kitty wagon, felt very mechanical. The only legit vote I've seen is Farside, and that looks to be largely personal. So again, what's the Kitty case?

Push on Bulba feels off. I don't see much scumminess from Bulba, much less what Hydreigon is showing

That, plus her posts now, where she says she's only 50-50 on bulba while being totally willing to take him to -1 two weeks out from deadline, which is hedgy as hell and not something I'd ever expect to see from a townie.
VOTE: KittyCupCake

i'm feeling less keen on bulba than i am on you at the moment, tho.

yeah bulba, claim. intent to hammer.

VOTE: Bulbazak

His whole case on bulba is for 2 quotes. One stated towards tw (who nm finds scummy) but because of a comment from pine.
That's it and it's weak reasoning at best.
The other thing was he was willing to hammer pine but he never said anything about the slot at all.
Also bothered by nm wording about tw mod kill. He said hopefully mod kill. Why would someone be hopeful that a player there town reading would be mod killed?
Finally we have today. Bulba scum still for the same reason (yes this is a scum tell in my book) and even though he posted the quote from science, he keeps his vote on bulba.
This makes me doubt any paranoia he claimed to have against anyone.

In short he's uninvolved, unchanging, scum read that is not trying to figure the players out.

[Not_Mafia]

The other thing was he was willing to hammer pine but he never said anything about the slot at all.
Also bothered by nm wording about tw mod kill. He said hopefully mod kill. Why would someone be hopeful that a player there town reading would be mod killed?

I explained these things in the very posts you quoted

Finally we have today. Bulba scum still for the same reason (yes this is a scum tell in my book)

What should have prompted my reasons to change?

and even though he posted the quote from science, he keeps his vote on bulba.

I found the sequence of events from science, but not enough to vote him over Bulba

[farside22]

@pn:
Can you explain why you are scum reading bulba, what you agreed with in regards to tw comment and finally, what happened with your read on Domo?

Hello. Lots to say. Not much time to spare. Will get to this as soon as is convenient. Software Head left me a message with "Bulbazak is scummy" in my inbox, while Block Head was watching football all day Sunday.

~ Block Head

I'm saying I like his conclusions about Bulba and Pasch. I also agree about Mastin not being a lights-out townread, as she is a sneaky player (from past games) as either alignment. Bulba-Wisdom interaction he pointed out looks fishy on Bulba's end.

Damn, lost my post by accident. What I was going to say in that post (was hitting submit)

was that

if i were to start scumreading u

wait no. tl;dr contribution credit to the wagon goes to those who are town (who arent confirmed) who joined it (excluding me cos compromising on DL based on mindless ISO skim, and excluding TW for hammer without a claim). so individually mastin does not become "town because that lynch contribution," and if i were to start scumreaidng you, it wouldnt be "despite your contributions to pine lynch."

mainly because, i dont want to let "it had to be town on that wagon, scum had no reason to bus" become the reason why scum coasts to victory. which is theoretically possible with players like mastin (and you who i am unfamiliar with).

i want to lynch off Wisdom's lynch list (bulba or pasch, dont care which, but prefer bulba - call it gut, or sheeping, or me agreeing with the case on him - doesn't matter), and i am here arguing with you, not because i want to push your lynch. half to get myself into the game, half because not going through the whole posts that i missed prior to replace in - because those reads would not be the same as me being there the whole time, and gathering reads this way

i did not know the last lynch was between you and pine

[Not_Mafia]

and even though he posted the quote from science, he keeps his vote on bulba.

I found the sequence of events from science odd*, but not odd* enough to vote him over Bulba

EBWOP

[farside22]

The other thing was he was willing to hammer pine but he never said anything about the slot at all.
Also bothered by nm wording about tw mod kill. He said hopefully mod kill. Why would someone be hopeful that a player there town reading would be mod killed?

I explained these things in the very posts you quoted

Finally we have today. Bulba scum still for the same reason (yes this is a scum tell in my book)

What should have prompted my reasons to change?

and even though he posted the quote from science, he keeps his vote on bulba.

I found the sequence of events from science, but not enough to vote him over Bulba

1) okaayyyy?

2) There should be more reasons for a scum read.
Holding onto something from day one and using it repeatedly is scummy shit.

3) yea that shows you think science is scummy but willing to keep your vote on bulba.
Wow can I make a bet know if bulba flips town you use that as a push against science.

[Not_Mafia]

1) okaayyyy?

2) There should be more reasons for a scum read.
Holding onto something from day one and using it repeatedly is scummy shit.

3) yea that shows you think science is scummy but willing to keep your vote on bulba.
Wow can I make a bet know if bulba flips town you use that as a push against science.

1) Yes I did those things, so you stating I did them doesn't mean anything. If you think my explanations don't hold up, attack them

2) You're not wrong, but Bulba's presence in the game has largely diminished since the early game and I trust my early reads more than ones I develop later

3) Yes I am, because Bulba is currently my biggest scumread, I wouldn't even call the science slot a scumread. You've just extrapolated this in to a hypothetical scum tactic I might use in the future

[farside22]

1) okaayyyy?

2) There should be more reasons for a scum read.
Holding onto something from day one and using it repeatedly is scummy shit.

3) yea that shows you think science is scummy but willing to keep your vote on bulba.
Wow can I make a bet know if bulba flips town you use that as a push against science.

1) Yes I did those things, so you stating I did them doesn't mean anything. If you think my explanations don't hold up, attack them

2) You're not wrong, but Bulba's presence in the game has largely diminished since the early game and I trust my early reads more than ones I develop later

3) Yes I am, because Bulba is currently my biggest scumread, I wouldn't even call the science slot a scumread. You've just extrapolated this in to a hypothetical scum tactic I might use in the future

1) your reasons are vague. I agree with x point is shit
2) bs
3) so the point of the multi quote from science was???

[Not_Mafia]

1) okaayyyy?

2) There should be more reasons for a scum read.
Holding onto something from day one and using it repeatedly is scummy shit.

3) yea that shows you think science is scummy but willing to keep your vote on bulba.
Wow can I make a bet know if bulba flips town you use that as a push against science.

1) Yes I did those things, so you stating I did them doesn't mean anything. If you think my explanations don't hold up, attack them

2) You're not wrong, but Bulba's presence in the game has largely diminished since the early game and I trust my early reads more than ones I develop later

3) Yes I am, because Bulba is currently my biggest scumread, I wouldn't even call the science slot a scumread. You've just extrapolated this in to a hypothetical scum tactic I might use in the future

1) your reasons are vague. I agree with x point is shit
2) bs
3) so the point of the multi quote from science was???

1) My reasons were to end the day because everyone was apathetic, and to move on from DOMO's tunnel, which was dominating the thread. How are those vague?
3) Because I found it odd and wanted him to expand on it, I don't understand what your actual point is here? I found something science did in regards to Bulba strange so I pointed it out, where's the part where I should either no longer be scumreading Bulba more or voting Bulba, or shouldn't have pointed out what Science did come in to it?

[farside22]

1) you realize you quoted a comment I made that was 2 different things. One thing I'm talking about is you have expand on Jack fucking shit this game and the other was willing to hammer pine without ever saying anything about the spot.
3) what you pointed to is a contradiction and left bulba at l-1. Do you really think a response will happen?

[farside22]

I'm also noting nm you've been less then active till I called you out. Any reason for that?

[Not_Mafia]

1) you realize you quoted a comment I made that was 2 different things. One thing I'm talking about is you have expand on Jack fucking shit this game and the other was willing to hammer pine without ever saying anything about the spot.
3) what you pointed to is a contradiction and left bulba at l-1. Do you really think a response will happen?

1) I didn't realise, but that just means we're back to; what don't you like about my explanations?
3) It did happen 2225, I was fine with it

I'm also noting nm you've been less then active till I called you out. Any reason for that?

You engaged me directly so I became more active, this isn't alignment indicative

[DOMO]

I'm also noting nm you've been less then active till I called you out. Any reason for that?

I was thinking this, as I was lurking the shit out of this exchange.