Mini 1525: Tales of The Abyss Mafia GAME OVER!

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:57 am

Will note that Kaze trajectory on Fuzzy is kind of screwed up; he started out tunneling him and convinced he was scum, attacked ffery a bit, then was like "well ok you're probably right" and then went to voting randomly for a little while.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:02 am

In post 486, Kazekirimaru wrote:
In post 477, Ms Marangal wrote:why?

In post 481, Deacon Blues wrote: Kaze please talk to me about Orci - you've been hard defending him all game for reasons that aren't clear to me and I want to know what you're seeing.
Because I'm
Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear
,
Town-Aligned Stalker
. I have quite the thing for Orc's role, apparently, and as such I've stalked him and know his rolename(which I shan't reveal) and alignment. Orc doesn't know this, though, as far as my role indicates.

Oh, and if Orc gets lynched I get mod-confirmed for some reason.

Kay?

Out came the moment someone asked him about it, which is a bit odd considering his play as Conditional ICizer in AA. I wouldn't think he would be happy to out an innocent so early as town. And I still don't see why there would be a town role that clears a town day vig; it's essentially useless. I could see a scum role that has him tied to a town PR, though.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:03 am

In post 494, Kazekirimaru wrote:
In post 493, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I really wish you hadn't done that but it's funny nonetheless

And by the way, I believe that you get mod-confirmed regardless of how I die
How's it funny?

I don't actually, there are specific cases where your death won't confirm me, but I won't reveal them.

Wait, why do you sound like you knew my role?

Wait, why do you sound my role?
Is kind of weird. It's not like he has any reason to get paranoid here.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:05 am

In post 564, Ms Marangal wrote:Prohawk, would you mind dropping this for the time being?

The WIFOM that'll likely come out of it isn't the best thing, especially D1. If need be, we can bring this up D3 which should be, at worst case scenario, the day before lylo.

it isn't going to get us anywhere for the time being.

MMMMMMM this is actually kinda weird!

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:08 am

In post 718, Kazekirimaru wrote:Someone convince me Fuzzy is just a derptown, please. Because I seriously want to see him hanged and I don't know if that's just spite talking or not.

This is another strange read flip on Fuzzy, and coincides with Maras earlier Fuzzy-push.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:10 am

Another Mara note, doesn't really seem to be doing anything as of 718. She townread me pretty fucking easily by that point, and there was no follow up on it at all, which feels strange and different. Don't remember if she behaved similarly in N game, but her reasons for two reading me were wink wink nudge nudge reasons which make it a different situation.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:12 am

In post 747, Ms Marangal wrote:
In post 735, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Yeah I do

We all know you have a habit of being bad at scumbuddy interactions
this is the worst gond dmdaoif hfuckign comment hyou coulnd have ever, EVER stated

fucking ever

You can talk shit about every other aspect of my play, but you can't talk shit about how I interact with scumbuddies

I guess what we need to take away from the Mara meltdown is that she isn't scumbuddies with Rufflig :/

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:13 am

In post 748, Kazekirimaru wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mara

Kaze, why did you vote Mara here and why did you think she was scum after the meltdown?

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:15 am

In post 765, Kazekirimaru wrote:I don't think I wish to pursue a pitoli lynch at the moment.

I feel bad for whomever ends up trying to fix Mara's slot.

And yet you were pushing pitoli earlier, weren't you? Why did you stop pushing her?

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:19 am

In post 849, pitoli wrote:
In post 845, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 842, pitoli wrote:That's okay. I really just want to know why you voted me because I didn't feel any conviction behind it.
oh there isn't conviction behind it
why did you vote me instead of ask me why?
Because omgus can get you places? "There isn't conviction behind it" is not really the explanation I was looking for, btw

This is a ballsy way to address me voting her.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:26 am

In post 1039, Kazekirimaru wrote:Shove your textwalls into an orifice of your choosing.

Fucking FUCK

I bet you think you're so clever. With your fucking walls. Blatantly admitting to handwaving my case away. Mocking my scumhunting and calling my case poor. Ugh.

Whatever. I'm used to people not listening to me. I'm sure Fuzzy or some other lynchbait will get the hammer towards deadline and we'll have a pisspoor start like most games do. I don't even care anymore. Today is a wash as far as I'm concerned.

WALLS I HATE YOU
Wasn't the proper response.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:29 am

In post 1073, mykonian wrote:a selfvote would be cool

And calling Kaze scum while not even addressing his claim is pretty fucking strange.
There's the whole "oh I would totally vig you" and "oh so you're saying you would vig a townie?" feels like scum theatre between two people who know they aren't getting lynched.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:33 am

In post 1320, pitoli wrote:
In post 1317, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1315, pitoli wrote:See, most townies I've seen, when they have been part of a mislynch, there's usually a moment the next day where they might pause to collect their bearings or something of that nature, or even seem mildly apologetic (though the apologetic part can be easy to fake as scum). The mislynch acts like a shakeup. If a townie was wrong about a particular read, it's reason enough to reconsider other players thought to be scum. Mac is no longer obvtown for me because I didn't sense this pause at all. If he is scum, this is a rather clever way of faking a confirmation bias towards me.
I did t pause either.
Maybe, but there are other things to suggest you're town. My obvtownread on Mac was based mostly on how he was approaching reading me and others.

In post 1342, Kazekirimaru wrote:
Town

Kaze & Orci
Tammy
ProHawk
Mac
-------
pitoli
Myko
-------
Fuzzy
Nacho
Rufflig
SakuraGiF

Not so Town

Scumread positions interchangeable.

Mm. Hither.

VOTE: Minami no Hana

Rufflig likely scum with them.

This is the read flip that happened when just a little before Kaze was asking if anyone would reconsider his case on myko.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:36 am

So, do I think that there is a chance for Kaze being scum based on play? Yes.
I think that scumteams are probably going to be pitoli/Kaze/myko or Rufflig/Minaho/pitoli, which sucks because I think there is a lot to like in pitolis play compared to anyone else's in the possible scumteam bits. Minaho being scum would take a fuckton of luck.

Orc, what do you think?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:10 am

In post 1441, Kazekirimaru wrote:Orci, vig fuzzy. There is zero reason for a townie to speculate about Lovers.

Hi, Nacho. Still not scum.

So I make a giant fucking case against you and point out a lot of problems with my play and all you can say is "oh hi Nacho, still not scum!". What kind of bullshit is that?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:14 am

In post 1445, Kazekirimaru wrote:Orci you need to get in here and explain this discrepancy to me.

He needs to explain the discrepancy to you... Why? He's confirmed town. Why would you believe Fuzzy over your own role?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:18 am

In post 1471, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:fuck it we're massclaiming

nacho<myko<fuzzy then whatever order you guys want

I am York, Miller Neighbor.
Mac and Fuzzy can back me up on that.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:20 am

In post 1475, Tammy wrote:Mara and myko could easily be bussing fuzzy. I thought the thing Mara picked up on was weird. And myko replacing in and zeroing in on fuzzy too felt weird.

No, fuzzy us the designated mislynch. He's been incredibly genuine in QT and has stood up to me starting to go paranoid on him at least three times. I will paraphrase parts in the QT that sounded extremely town when I'm done catching up, but Fuzzy shouldn't die today.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:21 am

In post 1476, Tammy wrote:
In post 1467, pitoli wrote:Need to check if fruit vendors can be anti town...

There's no reason why it couldn't be.

I wasn't going to claim it though as my role appears to be modconfirmed, and not just person confirmed. Prohawk said that anises beloved is not his name, which would make it likely that it's the title I gave him. If he got a different title, he should out that though because then the voting thing is not due to my title vending.

This is part of the reason for my paranoid descent because now there's not just me who has a mod confirmed role, but there's also the quasi-mason type role (I know it's not mason, but I classify it in my mind in that way), and a cop?

Something's not right.

KAZE IS SCUM

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:30 am

In post 1501, pitoli wrote:I'm Mieu, Hider, most annoying character in the game.

Guess who I hid behind last night?

In post 1508, Minami no Hana wrote:Tear grants or something like that.
Girl with a spear.
JoaT with 1-shot cop and 1-shot JK.

In post 1501, pitoli wrote:I'm Mieu, Hider, most annoying character in the game.

Guess who I hid behind last night?

The reason I wanted GiFSakura to claim before me was because I wanted to make sure that GiF was claiming COP and not anything else. The second reason I wanted GiFSakura to claim before me was because I didn't think there was a full cop in the game (Cabd wouldn't do something stupid like that), and I thought if there was a scum in the neighborhood and he was informed of it beforehand and was crumbling instead, I figured he wouldn't think to limit his cop claim/would claim a guilty on me and get me lynched to shit. I don't believe pitoli because strong cop +confirmed town day vig + confirmed town bulletproof bodyguard and whatever the hell else we had is pretty fucking broken.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:32 am

In post 1535, Kazekirimaru wrote:@Prohawk:

- I've been kicking the idea of Bastard Mod around this whole game. I've just been super paranoid. When I heard Fuzzy say "I know you're Asch the Bloody" my first thought was "Shit, maybe Orci is a Mafia GF and my role is lying." if that gives you any insight about my thoughts at the time.

- And yeah I've been using rolename and character name synonymously. Sorry. I know Orci's CHARACTER name and his alignment. Mkay?

You thought... This was a bastard mod game when someone claimed a different name on Orc? You didn't assume the person who claimed was lying out of their ass? Because that's what I would believe.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:35 am

In post 1552, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Is it possible that there is a scum when the source material does not indicate their should be. For example if we are doing a story mafia and I was part of the three Musketeers. Is it possible that one of us could be scum?

Like fucking look at this. Does it seem like Fuzzy is scum who is the only scum in our neighborhood? hell no.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:37 am

I assume myko claim is yet another sore thumb in the setup because my current feeling are no VTs.
But, we will see after ProHawk and Rufflig claim, whoever hits the thread first can go.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:45 am

Also, cabdYana might have fucked up my character name because me dude is a tall dopey looking pirate but the wiki says York is short and fat.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:47 am

You think I'm wrong and not desperate scum looking for a mislynch?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:50 am

Hey Orc
I think gameplan should be, if prohawk and Rufflig both claim power roles:
Lynch myko, since they are confirmed scum.
gifsakura jailkeeps you
Pitoli hides behind Kaze

Tomorrow, shoot Kaze.
If Kaze flips scum, lynch pitoli.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:52 am

You're a suicide bomber?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:52 am

Holy shit that makes Kaze claim even worse

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:00 pm

In post 1621, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I STILL THINK NACHO IS SCUM HNNNNGGGGGGG

>explains the fery NK
>kaze role is to counteract all the fucking PRs that we have
>idk man nacho/mara makes sense

Is nacho-scum your final answer?
Answer carefully; your "can read Nacho almost competently" membership card is on the line.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:02 pm

What the hell is good about Kaze gameplay?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:03 pm

Am I missing something horribly?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:07 pm

A one-sided mason, sure. But a one sided mason which a role whose only purpose is to confirm itself and get a gladiatored lynch? No. Fuck no.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:09 pm

He's proactive, but not as proactive as I would expect him to be. Notice his day 1 play after he stopped pushing Fuzzy; how many of those 4 votes had any conviction behind them? None of them.

He is also not bad town. His reactions to fuzzy (top suspect) claiming different role name on you (confirmed town) is also not a bad reaction, it's an absolutely horrible reaction.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:10 pm

Cabds idea of mod created mislynch bait is a miller doctor with a scum strongman in the game, not a useless town role like that

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:10 pm

Limited strongman, to be clear.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:13 pm

And I'm pretty damn sure if he's town and I attacked him in the way I did he wouldn't go "lol I don't have to defend myself", considering role and considering play.

Petit: sure because you were a role that was meant to get mislynched. Kaze didn't know that he was a role that was meant to be mislynched when he made that comment.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:13 pm

That was a reference to a different game.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:20 pm

In post 1648, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
In post 1642, Nachomamma8 wrote:And I'm pretty damn sure if he's town and I attacked him in the way I did he wouldn't go "lol I don't have to defend myself", considering role and considering play.
that's before i announced that i was a suicide bomber

Exactly. The only reason I could see him embrace his death so easily as town is if he believes he's going to be mislynched regardless of what the hell happens, but he made the response he did before all of that happened.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:28 pm

Before I forget, neighborhood paraphrase:

-FuZzy checks in
-Nacho claims miller, asks fuzzy to decide whether I should claim in thread or not
-Fuzzy wonders how many people would be in the neighborhood, and how many scum is among us
-I tell him it's probably just the two of us, tell him I will confirm myself as town with the dead bodies of scum and ask him how he will confirm himself as town, prod for miller response, start yelling
-Mac says I shouldn't claim but asks me why I claimed in neighborhood so early
-Fuzzy says we shouldn't buddy buddy to make sure we aren't mistaken for scumbuddies since he things there only being three players in e neighborhood means there aren't any scum in here. I think that is likelier that Fuzzy would say that as town than scum because 1) it's ballsy as hell to throw yourself in a town lock in a neighborhood when the other two are paranoid of you and expressed as much, and 2) scum fuzzy would want us to look like scumbuddies, but what he actually ended up saying made it sound like he was treating us like masons, which would take a fair amount of skill as scum to pull off.
-then Mac asks fuzzy if he's town and fuzzy is like "yeah, thank god" which also came out sounding genuine like a Tammy joy post.
-Mac asks me about Tammy read, he doesn't like Kaze but likes gif, deacon, pitoli.
-Nacho posts Tammy openings research, then declared Tammy town immediately after reaction.
-This is actually a lot shittier and a less not necessary than it was before, so focus on Fuzzy.
-Fuzzy outlines possibility of myko scum, he says he was much more sure before myko replaced in, says he's not sure how to respond to the bad claim calling him saying sorry a scum slip since he doesn't like outright dismissing things.
-Fuzzy says he deserves to be pressured for the shitty lynch, thinks myko and prohawk are town because it doesn't make sense for scum to defend town so strongly.
-Fuzzy makes an extremely town post where he says that the lynch felt better than a lynch felt in a while thanks to his confidence on it, how he liked taking part in the building of a town block, but that he hated that he got a bodyguard lynched and be hated that Mafia flipped town. He says he was thinking about HaraKiri tomorrow, apologizing for the lynch early so there won't be enough energy to get him lynched although he was concerned because he has a tendency to dig massive holes for himself.
-Fuzzy posts a "greetings" post and announces his flavor name, researches orcs and prohawks and call them town based on them, thought Kaze was a princess who loved the guy he thought Orc was who didn't love her back. He felt very excited about these finds.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:29 pm

In post 1650, ProHawk wrote:Claiming:

I am Fon Master Ion and am a Town-Aligned 1-Shot Motivator. Not sure if Motivator is a known role or not (I didn't know what it was) but if everyone doesn't know what it does, I would prefer scum don't know until tomorrow.

Who does that leave?

Nacho - Do you believe Minami-No-Hana?

Yes, I do.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:29 pm

In post 1653, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:wait shit i wouldn't put it past cabd to put a single VT in a role madness game

wait wait wait shit

Do you think that he would put a single VT in a role madness game AND Kaze role?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:30 pm

In post 1651, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
In post 1649, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1648, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
In post 1642, Nachomamma8 wrote:And I'm pretty damn sure if he's town and I attacked him in the way I did he wouldn't go "lol I don't have to defend myself", considering role and considering play.
that's before i announced that i was a suicide bomber
Exactly. The only reason I could see him embrace his death so easily as town is if he believes he's going to be mislynched regardless of what the hell happens, but he made the response he did before all of that happened.
no but before i announced i was a suicide bomber and his claim went to all of "this makes no sense", he was basically conftown

And now he's not conftown and he still refuses to defend himself.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:30 pm

Probably because his scumteam is going down in flames.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:32 pm

And why did he put a miller in the game if it wasn't meant to be lynchbait?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:34 pm

Pitoli. The full hider when everyone else has weak roles and role madness doesn't make sense either.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:35 pm

In post 1662, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
In post 1657, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1653, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:wait shit i wouldn't put it past cabd to put a single VT in a role madness game

wait wait wait shit
Do you think that he would put a single VT in a role madness game AND Kaze role?
I DONT FUCKING KNOW ANYMORE

Answer: No.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:39 pm

In post 1666, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
In post 1663, Nachomamma8 wrote:Pitoli. The full hider when everyone else has weak roles and role madness doesn't make sense either.
i was just thinking about that

fuckkkkkk i want to believe that you're scum everything would be so much easier

In post 1667, Kazekirimaru wrote:fuck no stop the madness

Nacho is scum, Orci. You have to bomb him.

And look who isn't making an effort to figure out the game even though a bomb has been dropped on the thread and he should be reanalyzing by now.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:43 pm

But hey, let's face it!

-Cabd would only put one lynchbait role in the game. It makes sense for mods to add in one lynchbait role in order to help the scumteam capitalize on weirdness and give a little room for fucked up claims, but giving two is essentially punishing town for no good reason, which is shitty setup design.
-I am a miller neighbor, obv lynchbait.
-pitoli is a full hider in a game where no one else comes close to that kind of power + two protective roles exist for it already and an investigative role a role that confirms itself. Pretty much lynchbait if town, right?
-Kaze is a role that confirms someone who can instantly confirm themselves as town, thus useless, thus lynchbait.
-myko is VT where everyone is PRs. Lynchbait!

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:44 pm

But seriously, there has to be a point where people stop being lynchbait and instead are just plain scum.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:44 pm

In post 1669, Kazekirimaru wrote:You are such a plebe, Nacho.

You're so town

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:46 pm

Dude don't worry I caught your scumclaim at least three times.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:47 pm

Would you like to scum claim again? Maybe if you do it enough I might change my mind on you!

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:48 pm

But actually why the hell is this happening.

Vote: mykonian

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:50 pm

In post 1607, Nachomamma8 wrote:Hey Orc
I think gameplan should be, if prohawk and Rufflig both claim power roles:
Lynch myko, since they are confirmed scum.
gifsakura jailkeeps you
Pitoli hides behind Kaze

Tomorrow, shoot Kaze.
If Kaze flips scum, lynch pitoli.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:53 pm

Hey Kaze, you still myko is scum, right? Vote him.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:58 pm

Oh but you're sure on me now? Why? You weren't one page ago.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 1:12 pm

Why doesn't miller make sense in a game with a one shot cop? Millers exist in games where there are no cops, you know.
I'm the scum of the neighborhood? You now believe fuzzy is town because claim?
Using the death of someone who was town as fuck is not evidence against me, sorry.
Everything is awful once I started pushing you as scum and not at all before then, OK.
The scum claim bit was shit talking, not twisting your words.
I don't know why you don't care about my case. So... Why don't you care about my case? When I originally posted it, you seemed to be of the mind that I was misguided so it couldn't have all been bullshit.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 1:18 pm

It might look like I care, but only on camera, only on camera, only on camera...

Orci, where did you go?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 1:25 pm

But I need someone different....
You know it.
Hoh oh, you know it.
Hoh oh, you know.
We both know it.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:44 pm

Prohawk, what do you think of Pitoli?

VOTE: MinamiNoHana

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 4:00 pm

I will stop voting Minami when I can find a team that makes sense without them and or Rufflig.
I would also like to be reassured by them being incredibly town as opposed to being swayed by a claim.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 4:03 pm

Rufflig, what is your result from last night?
Why do you think there is a gender cop in the setup when we already have a flavor cop?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 4:56 pm

One-shot cop + godfather isn't a real possibility.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 5:02 pm

One-shot cop + miller makes more sense than one-shot cop + godfather.
An incorrect investigation in the first case is one mislynch and a confirmed one-shot cop.
An incorrect investigation in the second case is a loss for town.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 5:02 pm

In post 1706, ProHawk wrote:Rufflig scum-flip guarantees your scum-flip in my book Nacho.

But it doesn't confirm a Minaho scum flip? Even though they have a claimed innocent on him and all?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 5:43 pm

In post 1710, ProHawk wrote:
In post 1707, Nachomamma8 wrote: An incorrect investigation in the second case is a loss for town.
With role-madness isn't this what they are going for?

Role madness is much different from horribly modded.
If you lose a game because your one-shot investigative role hit scum, it was 100% the moderators fault and not your fault since that is all the godfather can do if scum uses it optimally.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 5:47 pm

Yes. But scum nonetheless. How the hell are you supposed to know scum is a godfather? How is cop supposed to figure out a godfather if he only gets one investigation?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 5:49 pm

What are you talking about?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 5:50 pm

Do you think one shot cop + godfather is a legitimate combination?
Do you think one-shot cop + miller + godfather is a legitimate combination?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 6:00 pm

Role madness -1 got myko shot more than anything else.
I realize that pitoli hiding behind me doesn't make me town. I dont know why Minaho thought as much.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 6:03 pm

I still don't think any scumteam with Rufflig on it makes sense without Minaho also on that team, just like no scumteam with me on it makes sense without pitoli accompanying me.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 6:04 pm

Vote: Pitoli

Yes, I would like to lynch pitoli over Minaho.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 6:05 pm

I'm still pretty sure that all three of the neighborhood are town, although Mac might need some rereading before I can make the incredibly town comment.

Do you think Fuzzy could be scum?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 26, 2013 6:12 pm

I will be willing to vote Rufflig/Minaho if Minaho doesn't sufficiently convince me there's a chance of them being town in their next post. I would probably rather lynch pitoli right now because no matter how crazy my theories get, pitoli scum is still there.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 1:13 am

In post 1728, Kazekirimaru wrote:
In post 1698, Nachomamma8 wrote: Why do you think there is a gender cop in the setup when we already have a flavor cop?
huh

What flavour cop?

Do you think Tammy title vendor does anything else?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 1:14 am

In post 1731, Tammy wrote:Also also did Ms. Marangal get my alignment right before you did?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

In post 1730, Tammy wrote:So, sometimes I think that my overly careful constantly re-reading and re-weighing
waffling over
everything is bad, and that it would just be more pro-town of me to be more impulsive. And then someone does something really impulsive and I realize that I need to find a happy medium in this new leaf I'm turning over.

NACHO - did i read correctly that you asked Fuzzy if you should claim miller to the thread? Please tell me I read that wrong.

Nope! I wanted to see how he would react, figured it was definitely not what he expected.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 1:15 am

And yes, Marangal did get your alignment right before I did.
Fuzzy and Mac dominated as far as the reading Nacho competition goes, and maybe even Rufflig if he's town!

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 1:17 am

In post 1733, Tammy wrote:
In post 1629, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1621, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I STILL THINK NACHO IS SCUM HNNNNGGGGGGG

>explains the fery NK
>kaze role is to counteract all the fucking PRs that we have
>idk man nacho/mara makes sense
Is nacho-scum your final answer?
Answer carefully; your "can read Nacho almost competently" membership card is on the line.

No shame in recycling an oldie but goodie and adding a little town pizzaz, Tammy. You're just jealous it doesn't sound as cool when you say it.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 1:19 am

In post 1756, pitoli wrote:I think I want to lynch Minami/Rufflig at the moment

Then put a vote on one of them?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 1:19 am

In post 1762, pitoli wrote:Yes, but I dont remember him saying if he had a super duper town read on you.

Also I don't think he likes me

Why aren't you trying to convince me you're town then?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 1:20 am

You also know that I adore you, so don't paint me a hater when I'm not.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 1:22 am

Mac, I read your hyrule game for the first time and had a minor heart attack, but am okay now.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 2:23 am

Why did you claim Hider during a massclaim when that wasn't your real role? What is your real role?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 2:23 am

In post 1795, pitoli wrote:
In post 1792, Nachomamma8 wrote:You also know that I adore you, so don't paint me a hater when I'm not.
I hope this post wasn't addressed to me.

It was.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:16 am

In post 1799, pitoli wrote:
In post 1797, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1795, pitoli wrote:
In post 1792, Nachomamma8 wrote:You also know that I adore you, so don't paint me a hater when I'm not.
I hope this post wasn't addressed to me.
It was.
WELL THEN

if your idea of adoration is fucking getting the person trying to clear you lynched. then yes!

but this is good to know Nacho, I will take small comfort in this from the grave.

No I like you as a person but you're scum

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:17 am

In post 1805, pitoli wrote:And Mac - as long as we're positing that there can only be ONE of any particular role in this theme game, why are there TWO vanilla neighbor claims?

NO
I AM THE ONLY NEIGHBOR

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:18 am

In post 1816, GuyInFreezer wrote:Aw I wanted you to spell it out for me again

I believe pity's claim. I'll elaborate on it later.
For now, lets just say that my full role name is "Town-aligned
fonic
JOAT."

Hey gif, what's the scumteam?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:19 am

No me, no Kaze, no Rufflig, no pitoli.

Your pool is Prohawk/Tammy/Mac/Fuzzylogic.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:20 am

In post 1811, pitoli wrote:
In post 1809, Mac wrote:You're getting there!

If two people claimed cop in a game, would your first reaction honestly be "ooo they could both be town!"
No, but Minami and I haven't claimed the same thing because our abilities are CLEARLY DIFFERENT WHY IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND
So when they claimed I decided to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Different abilities, but JOAT

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:21 am

In post 1813, Mac wrote:
In post 1793, Nachomamma8 wrote:Mac, I read your hyrule game for the first time and had a minor heart attack, but am okay now.
Why? I'm pretty sure my play is nothing like Hyrule since I'm town as fuck here

Yeah but you had a lot of posts there and that was scary to see.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:23 am

In post 1824, GuyInFreezer wrote:I'm gonna figure it out later.
But I do think that I nailed the setup.
Will think on it some more and post what I think when I'm sure what I think is right.

P-Edit: for *reasons*

Do you think Mac and fuzzy are scum together?
Do you think Tammy is scum?

You don't have to wait for later, you did that last time.
Can't prod dodge forever, scum.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:23 am

And don't forget that GiF does too!

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:26 am

What exactly are you pulling out of your ass that isn't fakeable?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:32 am

In post 1830, Minami no Hana wrote:
In post 1810, GuyInFreezer wrote:Hey pit
"JoaT", "Jack of all trades", or "Jack-of-all-trades"?

In post 1816, GuyInFreezer wrote:Aw I wanted you to spell it out for me again

I believe pity's claim. I'll elaborate on it later.
For now, lets just say that my full role name is "Town-aligned
fonic
JOAT."

In post 1824, GuyInFreezer wrote:I'm gonna figure it out later.
But I do think that I nailed the setup.
Will think on it some more and post what I think when I'm sure what I think is right.

P-Edit: for *reasons*
Dammit GiF dont make me have to come here and post when I'm at work.
So let me get this straight, Nacho, you think we're scum because we haven't cracked out what the scum team is yet? Well maybe i'll keep my thoughts hidden from you just to spite you then

Do you believe the other Joat claim?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:33 am

Do you believe that a neighborhood consists of 2 scum and a miller neighbor when both players have been town as fuck separately?
Do you believe that Tammy is town?

These are giant glaring flaws in gif consistently townreading pitoli after the Joat claim and night action claim.
Do you see them, Sakura?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:37 am

Is there a reason you can't give me glimmers of your theory?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:40 am

But gif says that he believes the other Joat claim.
If you were paying attention, you'd notice that I'm voting pitoli.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:42 am

Ballsy? Yes, your play has been ballsy for scum.
Does that make you town? No.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:43 am

In post 1842, Minami no Hana wrote:It was an ephiphany

Tick tock!

Pitoli, no she did not.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:48 am

In post 1846, Minami no Hana wrote:Hey nacho what do you think of the purpose of "cowardly" and "fonic"?

Cowardly: fake adjective that explains why pitoli just claimed hider, I guess?
Fonic: Alphabet of Tales, you made this up because it was linked with flavor and sounded legitimate.
The two explain why you two can townread each other and push for a different mislynch.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:48 am

In post 1847, Minami no Hana wrote:
In post 1838, Nachomamma8 wrote:If you were paying attention, you'd notice that I'm voting pitoli.
I do know your voting pitoli now, but back then you seemed to almost flip a table when prohawk wanted to go for Rufflig instead.

PEd: No I didn't and since I don't like posting in hydra i was yelling at GiF on the QT to comment on it but he ignored me =/

PEd2: Well that's an interesting point there GiF.

Did I not thoroughly explain my point before?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:50 am

Pitoli, did you ever explain why you hid behind me N1? You didn't think there was a chance I could die or something?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:51 am

In post 1851, Minami no Hana wrote:Also I can't fucking believe I'm saying this but I think there's a godfather in this game.

Are you going to out your theory, or?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:53 am

So: there's a godfather because ???

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:55 am

In post 1854, Nachomamma8 wrote:So: there's a godfather because ???

Continued theory: something and the word "fonic" means your role is antitown, thus a godfather in a game with a one shot cop!

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:58 am

In post 1857, Minami no Hana wrote:Because if you're really a miller, with my only one shot cop, my result is almost guaranteed to be fucked up.
I wouldn't doubt the existence of the godfather.

So because there's one player that can reverse your one-shot cop, there are two players that can reverse your one-shot cop?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:58 am

In post 1859, Minami no Hana wrote:
In post 1849, Nachomamma8 wrote:Did I not thoroughly explain my point before?
Your point was based on discredit based on your idea of setup speculation. Why don't you consider the possibility of Rufflig being town or Rufflig being Maf-Godfather?
Becasue him being Godfather would point all fingers back to you, and him being Town would mean you run out of where to go.
Hence the discredit.

PEd: goddamit GiF why you think there's both Miller and GF in the setup =/

I consider the possibility of Rufflig being town, sure. That's why I wouldn't want to lynch him first.
I didn't assume Mafia Godfather against a one shot cop because that's horrible.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:00 am

Why would I assume Mafia Godfather?
What are the chances of you guys investigating the Mafia Godfather on Night 1, do you think?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:01 am

In post 1860, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1857, Minami no Hana wrote:Because if you're really a miller, with my only one shot cop, my result is almost guaranteed to be fucked up.
I wouldn't doubt the existence of the godfather.
So because there's one player that can reverse your one-shot cop, there are two players that can reverse your one-shot cop?

Talk about this one more time, GiF.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:01 am

In post 1863, Minami no Hana wrote:My guess is that the role fonic is related to the fact that Tear uses Fonic Artes in-game?

So it's an adjective that means absolutely nothing?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:06 am

In post 1867, Minami no Hana wrote:
In post 1864, Nachomamma8 wrote:What are the chances of you guys investigating the Mafia Godfather on Night 1, do you think?
What is the best play for Mafia GF? to appear scummy enough to attract an investigation to them.
I thought Rufflig was pretty scummy at N1 so I yelled at GiF to investigate him.

PEd: I suppose so.

In post 1868, Minami no Hana wrote:My point is that those adjective shows the existence of two JOATs.

So, I'm pretty happy you linked yourself to pitoli.
Did you know that Cabd is a moderator on another forum?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:07 am

You also never answered my scumteam question.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:15 am

You type slower than ffery does in chat mafia.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:20 am

What do you think of GiF theory?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:27 am

Why do you think I am scum?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:29 am

You never you explained them, you realized.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:30 am

Hmm? I thought you were here so we could talk.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:46 am

I guess I'm not in any particular need to talk about things. Gif theory is spreading godfather paranoia for no good reason.

The idea that Cabd/Syryana added in Tales adjectives to both JOATS and neither JOAT thought that claiming the adjective makes them both town is incredibly convenient and extremely scummy. The argument that a one-shot cop + a miller = one-shot cop + a miller + a godfather is born from some unholy place that I never want to go. Sakura choosing to vote me over say, pitoli is wonderfully scummy in and of itself.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:47 am

Meanwhile, going through Cabd modded games:
Werewolf 7 (open) - Hider, Doctor, Seer, Vig + VTs vs 3 Goons + 1 Strongman. Seems normal to me!
Beta Anon - Seer, Doc, VTs + VTs vs Goon x2 + Alpha Wolf. Last townie on power roles wagon got a two shot backup of that role. Normal, has a twist, but note godfather + full cop + possible backup cop, which is a lot more cop vs a godfather than this seems to be.

Cursory glances of Cabd games, none of them make him look like the moderator GiF claims he is.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:49 am

In post 1504, pitoli wrote:I'm just going to continue Hiding until I can PoE for the win btw

This doesn't seem like pitoli is actually a JOAT.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:51 am

In post 1522, pitoli wrote:Having a false result for a 1-shot is pretty punishing... notwithstanding other 1-shots that might exist (thinking no)

You don't think other one shots might exist?
Even though you supposedly have one shots...?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:53 am

In post 1799, pitoli wrote:
In post 1797, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1795, pitoli wrote:
In post 1792, Nachomamma8 wrote:You also know that I adore you, so don't paint me a hater when I'm not.
I hope this post wasn't addressed to me.
It was.
WELL THEN

if your idea of adoration is fucking getting the person trying to clear you lynched. then yes!

but this is good to know Nacho, I will take small comfort in this from the grave.

I don't understand why you don't want to disclose your other abilities when you think you're going to die soon.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:23 am

STOP FUCKING QUICKLYNCHING JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

Nachomamma8 · Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:23 am

KEEP IT IN YOUR PANTS FOR ONE GODDAMN DAY IS ALL I FUCKING ASK

Nachomamma8 · Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:48 am

In post 1898, ProHawk wrote:
In post 1893, Minami no Hana wrote:Maybe I overthought on this whole matter.

VOTE: pitoli

L-1.
This is DRIPPING scum. Can anyone explain to me the quick lynch on Pitoli?

VOTE: MinaminoHana

No, it was incredibly stupid and incredibly confusing. Why are you quick voting in what everyone assumes is LyLo?

In post 1915, ProHawk wrote:Nacho, there is scum in your neighborhood. Who is more likely? Mac or Fuzzy?

Hey Hana, you should be bolding all your "role" questions to the mod.

Mac is playing an absolutely stellar game as scum so I still seriously doubt that he's it. Fuzzy would be playing similarly awesomely and is turning out various theories like crazy and I'm having trouble doubting his genuineness is faked. For now I lean Fuzzy but I don't think either of those two are the lynch for today.

Minami, did you use your JK last night?

In post 1939, Kazekirimaru wrote:Not sure I trust Minami

"town-aligned" and "god general" as the alignments just doesn't sound right.

Why do you think Minami as scum would claim "Not God General" instead of "Town"?

In post 1941, Kazekirimaru wrote:that said i'd be more comfortable lynching the scum in the neighborhood today

and i'm leaning nacho

thoughts?

Pitoli claimed that she hid behind me N1.
In what universe do you think I could be scum in?

In post 1966, Kazekirimaru wrote:Makes little sense to me that scum would be "God Generals" whilst town is still "Town".

The result itself gives the possibility of a Godfather result that isn't straight up bastard, which kind of goes in the face of my NO MILLER + ONE SHIT COP + GODFATHER rage, but etc.

In post 1972, Mac wrote:remind me how it would confirm two scum, and not end the game?

Minami claimed that he would become confirmed town during LyLo.

In post 1986, Minami no Hana wrote:Also does 4 town 1 traitor 2 scum mechanically counts as LyLo?

Yes.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:04 am

And hey, let's actually look at what Minami is claiming:

"I become confirmed town during LyLo" - The only reason this wouldn't be LyLo is if there were 2 or less scum left instead of 3 scum left, meaning we have a free mislynch, so we... lynch Minami. This is also the type of thing that would confirm Minami as scum on a three player scumteam if we decided to lynch the other two scum first, which seems like a dumb position for Minami to put themselves in considering A) their claim makes them MORE likely to be lynched, not less likely and B) why. Cowardly JOAT and fonic JOAT are interesting things now that pitoli flipped town; my initial reason for dismissing them was because the exchange between Minami and Pitoli looked like bullshit scum theatre, but that's starting to look less and less likely.

pedit: Scum.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:06 am

TOWN:
Nachomamma8
Kazekirimaru

TOWN FOR NOW:
Minami no Hana

ONLY ONE SCUM IN THIS GROUP:
The Rufflig
ProHawk

ONLY ONE SCUM IN THIS GROUP:
TheFuzzylogic99
Mac

This would be the game state if Minami no Hana was town.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:44 am

I believe there's scum in our happy little band of three.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:11 pm

Rufflig, why do you believe Minaho is scum?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:09 am

In post 2001, ProHawk wrote:Because there is literally no way that MinamiNoHana is town. PoE aside, they have been playing like scum and have even ADMITTED to such. I was sad you didn't want to lynch them last game day, and am doubly sad you don't see it now.

There is literally no way Minami is town: why? I can see them being very strong scum picks, but I can also see possibilities of being town. I thought you would appreciate me taking a step back and taking this game day slowly, especially since I'm usually the one going too fast.

In post 2001, ProHawk wrote:Hey Nacho, here's something to consider. They already put themselves into this position by playing like scum. They didn't have a choice other than to gambit and gambit hard. The most likely explanation is the one you have failed to consider. TODAY IS LYLO AND IF THEY CAN GAMBIT OUT OF A LYNCH AND MISLYNCH THEY WIN!

Probably. There are a variety of other gambits that I would expect, though; the incredible weirdness and claim that basically screams "lynch me" is not along the lines of what I expected.

In post 2001, ProHawk wrote:Then a mis-lynch only puts us at even better odds at fishing out scum because their town-flip potentially clears Rufflig, which would literally slice the possible pool down to Me, Mac, and Fuzzy. 66% chance of hitting scum at random barring godfather (50% if you include Rufflig). Whereas our pool today of not completely cleared town - Me, Mac, Fuzzy, Rufflig, and Minami-No-Hana. Which could be 60% if there are three scum or 40% if there are two scum.

Their townflip doesn't clear Rufflig, unfortunately. There are additionally two scum in {You, Mac, Fuzzy, Rufflig} regardless of Minami's alignment so lynching them today does nothing to improve the odds. If we lynch wrong in the 4 person pool, then we have a confirmed scum, Minami as confirmed town, and a confirmed scum in 1 of 2 players which is a 50% shot at a win.

In post 2002, ProHawk wrote:Fuzzy, pretty sure I already explained why, but how about you put yourself in my shoes and tell me who you would have motivated.

I probably wouldn't have motivated anyone since there was no one I trusted, but your claim doesn't matter to me much.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:09 am

ProHawk, you're wondering who I think is scum in my neighborhood still?
I think it's Mac.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:23 am

In post 2005, Kazekirimaru wrote:You really think Mac would powerlurk as scum in MyLo?

Yes...?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:24 am

In post 2006, ProHawk wrote:I trusted Tammy.

Are you saying you won't lynch Miami?

No, but I'm not lynching Minami immediately.
Especially since I'm dead overnight, most likely.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:47 pm

In post 2014, ProHawk wrote:
In post 2008, Nachomamma8 wrote:No, but I'm not lynching Minami immediately.
Ok Nacho, what exactly do you need to sort out?

For one: Fuzzy is bleeding bleeding bleeding town.
Mac is not bleeding bleeding bleeding town.

You are bleeding bleeding bleeding town.
Rufflig is not bleeding bleeding bleeding town.

Could it really be that simple?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:56 pm

the singer for the fray is ugly as hell

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:22 pm

In post 2021, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:
In post 2019, Nachomamma8 wrote:the singer for the fray is ugly as hell
and now for our moment of randomness

well he is

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:22 pm

In post 2021, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:
In post 2019, Nachomamma8 wrote:the singer for the fray is ugly as hell
and now for our moment of randomness

well he is

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:47 pm

on one what kind scale, fuzzy?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:55 pm

at this moment, or logically?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:55 pm

because at this moment i would slot in the 10 but i feel logical me would disagree with this assessment

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:58 pm

fuck if i know, i'm hammered

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:58 pm

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:10 pm

okay that's a very fair scumlist

Nachomamma8 · Wed Jan 01, 2014 8:27 am

What's the long version of Minaho scum?

Nachomamma8 · Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:34 pm

Thoughts:

-I am going to vote Minami today. I was originally not going to do this if GiFSakura showed up and towned like hell, but Sakura's promise to talk with me meant that she played Marathon games and never was seen again, which is a hell of a problem. I can't see these two ignoring the reach-out from conftown Nacho if town, and thus my willingness to lynch someone else has pretty much wasted away to nothing.

-ProHawk and Fuzzy have both been pretty fucking town today; they've been proactive in their thoughts and attacks, and both show genuine conviction or trying to figure things out-ness. Fuzzy in particular I find to be town pretty much off the chain with a very, very tiny chance of him being scum. ProHawk I have my paranoid flashes of (but really, when am I sure ProHawk is town?), but his pretty much incessant pushing on Rufflig for the entire game makes those two unlikely to be partners, Tammy's titling of ProHawk and scum's immediate killing of her over two confirmed townies points to ProHawk confirmed town, and his analysis this game has been very strong. I wouldn't lynch him over Rufflig pretty much ever.

-Mac I had a decent townread on for a while, but that townread has officially withered away into nothing. Meanwhile, Mac being scum explains quite a bit (cop claim from scum in particular). The main gist of the case against him is that ProHawk and Rufflig aren't scum together and Fuzzy is incredibly town.

Vote: Minami No Hana

Nachomamma8 · Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:18 am

In post 2063, ProHawk wrote:I think I would like to lynch Mac today.

Or Rufflig.

Nachomamma8 · Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:42 am

But I think I see your point on Mac and will most likely vote him unless his next post is incredibly town.

Nachomamma8 · Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:17 am

You think Rufflig has a chance of being town?

Nachomamma8 · Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:32 am

In post 2071, The Rufflig wrote:Not much to say here. I think it is pretty clear that the lynch pool is down to Mac, Fuzzy and myself. This means the only players who really have a choice are Nacho and Prohawk. This also mean we won't get a lynch without one of those two players support. Those of us stuck in the suspected pile will likely pile on the first vote made by someone not in the pile.

In other words, the fate of the game rests with Prohawk and/or Nacho.

If this is the pile, then from your POV, the other two are scum... correct?

Nachomamma8 · Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:33 am

In post 2070, ProHawk wrote:Basically, do I think Fuzzy is scum over Rufflig?

I'm not sure at this point, but I am weighing the options.

That requires a Mac-Fuzzy scumteam, which is a bit odd.

Nachomamma8 · Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:38 am

see like every post this guy makes is town as fuck

Nachomamma8 · Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:39 am

fuzzy, what are your top three reads right now?

Nachomamma8 · Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:59 am

In post 2077, The Rufflig wrote:Correct. It is the same pairing that I had yesterday, too. Nothing has changed since yesterday except that 1 of the players that must be scum flipped scum and one of the players that had to be town was night killed. Today is nothing more than a continuation of yesterday. Day 2 pretty much nailed it all down to this.

No reaction to Fuzzy voting you?

Nachomamma8 · Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:59 am

In post 2080, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:I was thinking Pro was town which meant Mac was prob scum but I am not sure anymore

Mac is still scum.

Nachomamma8 · Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:01 am

In post 2081, ProHawk wrote:Nacho, the reason I had to re-eval my read on Ruff was because he was closing his options on me last game day whereas Fuzzy is leaving them open ^

I would be fairly suspicious of Fuzzy if Fuzzy chose a strong team and nailed them down completely. A large part of his play was the sort of unconditional trust in the neighborhood, in the sole "yeah I doubt there is scum here". Mac and I were strong townreads for him for a very long time. I would expect him to have a slow adjustment period, and I wouldn't expect him to see the you-towniness so quickly because it is for reasons I don't think he would be as likely to pick up on as others.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:06 am

Mac, #2092 was not town at all.

Prohawk, do you have any issue with me voting him?

Nachomamma8 · Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:13 am

How is this the towniest game you've ever played?
Why is Fuzzy scum? Stop making vague cases against him.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:15 am

GiF cop claim was spurned from someone seeing my claim in the neighborhood.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:20 am

I don't want to hear a POE case because that does nothing for me.
The rest of your case is "I don't think these are towntells" which is also useless for me.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:38 am

And all I hear is silence.
Prohawk please gimme your blessing so we can bury this scum.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:08 am

Vote: Mac

Nachomamma8 · Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:12 am

I am currently concerned about the way this lylo is going because prohawk-fuzzy tizzy.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:18 am

Mac, seems fuzzy is confirmed town from your POV.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:40 am

Fuzzy do you think that the scumteam is me+prohawk?

Nachomamma8 · Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:56 am

You are at L-1. Fuzzy is not hammering you.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:57 am

It is impossible for Fuzzy to be scum if you are town. This takes him out of all possible scumteam considerations for you.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:57 am

Prohawk and I can not be scum together because we didn't quickhammer Fuzzy or Rufflig.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:16 pm

You two cross vote, I'm headed out for now
Rufflig, what does the final gender cop shot say?

Nachomamma8 · Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:43 pm

FUZZY

Nachomamma8 · Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:44 pm

Hey fuzzy.
I just wanted to let you know that I believe in your Rufflig push completely, and the only reason I pushed through Mac over Rufflig was because I was afraid of you being fooled by Mac this game because he did play a hell of a game, but I lynched him because of my 1 scum in each group thing and my unshakeable faith in you being town.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:12 pm

i have a horrible habit of nailing players who are lying about their role and then not backing off when they fix things