Newbie 1976 - Game Over

[NorwegianboyEE]

Waiting for you to link that same post Salad made again, like it somehow completely saves his slot from his previous suspicious behavior.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Honestly, i'm not feeling a TR on Saladman just because of your trust tell. What's stopping Salad from rolling scum in this game and trying to emulate his town playstyle? If he literally always replaces out as scum he is actually breaking the rules of this forum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because otherwise that's disgusting.

Because i'm not townreading your golden boy?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hm...

Datisi, i'll ask the same question you asked me earlier.
Say i'm town. Including you and Saladman.
Who would the scum be then?
Naery's and Map Wolf?
What about Phoenix? Do you trust him?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Assuming you as scum wouldn't be so unethical as to TR a scum!Saladman in bad faith, and he really is town here. Then maybe it really is Map Wolf with either Phoenix or Naerys.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I keep thinking back on Map Wolf. No attempt at solving, just sheeping reads lists and opinions. I think Map Wolf could be a good alternative here.
Naery's are you opposed to a Map Wolf lynch?
VOTE: Map Wolf

[NorwegianboyEE]

Datisi, if you're actually scum and fooled me out of this i'm going to be so annoyed.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Naery's. What is your read on Map Wolf?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I can see scum!you trying to constantly sow suspicion between everyone, acting like nobody can be trusted etc... I've also noted how you thought my TR on you was not genuine, i feel like if you were actually town you would embrace this read. Instead there's this awkward reaction and atmosphere. I can't describe it well, just feels like it could be coming from scum.
Maybe my TR on you was a mistake.

[NorwegianboyEE]

A lot of your posts are a bunch of questions and not actually that much solving. Mostly commenting on what other people say. Have you even made a reads list? Like... ever?
Actually to hell with it.
VOTE: Naerys

[NorwegianboyEE]

that town actually might have more lurkers than scum.

Well that depends on the player usually.
I, for example. Hyperpost both as town and scum. Except sometimes i tend to lurk as scum if i know my team is in a good position and i don't want to say anything to mess that up.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Map Wolf might be even more scummy tho.
VOTE: Map Wolf
If Phoenix got something juicy in his reads list i might reconsider again. But i'll stay here for now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If we go purely by activity as a scumtell then Map Wolf is the scummiest by far. I could see scum!him looking at the gamestate and deciding to hide in the shadows by saying absolutely nothing of value, hoping town will forget about him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Non Imh's play is plain awful. But at least he's got the mason clear backing him up. Map Wolf i feel is a slot that can't be cleared unless he flips.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well mostly i'm struggling with the fact that some of her actions are objectively scummy, but i can also see her as a noob town and i do feel a kinda "townie" vibe from her. So kind of an inner conflict i've got going there. Honestly i'd prefer Map Wolf today though, feels like he's been popping in only at convenient moments where he feels the need to defend himself, but not actually contribute much to the solving of the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ph0enix you've pointed to multiple scumleans in your reads list. But who do you prefer today? Do you agree on Map Wolf?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Non Imh is trying to convey that he's going to hammer Map Wolf if he's put into L-1. Not sure though, i don't think anyone can truly understand what goes on in his mind.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've been considering either Naery's or Saladman.
Phoenix, you, Non Imh unlikely.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Acutally Phoenix might be suspicious assuming Wolf is scum and he doesn't vote Map here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've been considering either Naery's or Saladman.
Phoenix, you, Non Imh unlikely.

Are you townreading Datisi now?

I don't consider Datisi a likely Map Wolf partner, thats all i said.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why do you think Datisi is unlikely partner to Map?

Because Datisi is voting him?
Isn't that obvious?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Naery's i don't like how you were completely ok with voting Saladman but now you're stalling.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Map/Naerys? Hmmmm

You know, as much as i hate admitting it. I think that might be it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Naery's acting visibly nervous. Map Wolf voting Datisi over Saladman.
Really suspicious.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Datisi, we had a bit of a feud. But if Wolf is scum, we'll hug it out yes?

[NorwegianboyEE]

mofumofu

[NorwegianboyEE]

That or your golden globe Salad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I already said that i do not know what to think about Map, so i am not entirely convinced that lynching him is the right option.

Couldn't that be said about Saladman too?
Why are you so opposed to lynching scum wolf?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Naerys it's over. Just hammer your scum buddy and get it over with.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Have you ever had a feeling that you´re about to make a mistake? I do. I don´t have proof and i might be wrong, but i am willing to take risk of being lynched next.

As much as i mocked Datisi for his townread on Saladman, i did eventually have to begrudgingly admit that his town meta (even if scummy) is similar to his current play. Including the fact that Salad has literally never rolled scum except once where he repped out and it's hell of a lot more convincing than your non-argument for why scum wolf is town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Naerys you're still ignoring Ph0enix's question.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You didn't explain why you TR Map Wolf. You just do...

[NorwegianboyEE]

If i'm going from pocketed to shitpushed to pocketed again from scum!Norway I'm gonna be very salty post game i'm warning yall right now

Tehe~

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wonder if scum will bother killing Non Imh. Somehow he's gained the position of conf!town, despite being a odd shadow being.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sorry for the shitpush Datisi. But fact is, once i roll town i get a 20+ increase in aggression. And considering your 30% increase in fluffposting at the end of D1 it made me super nervous that you might be a deepwolf.
All's good that end's well though.
VOTE: Naerys

[NorwegianboyEE]

It was pretty fun watching you lose your mind tho.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So does anyone not think Naerys is the last scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm some 85% there currently.

And the other 15% is?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Traumatized? :3

[NorwegianboyEE]

Unless this was some hyper bussing adventure town, i'm pretty sure the only possible teammates to open wolf at this point is either Naerys (like 99% sure) or Saladman. (Like 1% sure)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Good job Naerys, you almost had me fooled this game. It was a very cute and impressionable newbie town performance.

Spoiler:

[NorwegianboyEE]

Non Imh fake claiming mason as town and getting away with it is interesting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So who is it then.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Very convincing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok let me rephrase that Naerys.

- NAERYS SOMEHOW ISN'T SCUM POWER HOUR -

Suspects:
- Datisi
- Phoenix
- Saladman

^Top 3 suspects chief, which ones are most likely to be scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

What if Map Wolf knew he was going down towards the end of D2 so he started randomly pushing hard for Datisi because he is Map Wolf's actual scum teammate and he wanted him to be in a good position for the rest of the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh and that reminds me. The true mason really should claim now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bussing is the sort of strategy that could win the game for scum in a mason + mason setup. Because there are no power roles to threaten the strategy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I still think Naery's is scum. I'm just entertaining the thought because it would be so much more amazing if one of you/Phoenix/Salad was scum here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah Saladman is the mason, but i wanna ask anyway.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What if Datisi is scum...?
I mean... WHY would Map Wolf randomly push for Datisi at the end of D2 unless it was strategic.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Datisi
This is our best bet for a successful lynch. Sorry that I don't have much to say, but I really don't know how to place people in this game beyond my earlier readlist.

So I am probably not going to be able to change people views, but I will say this: Datisi has been pushing me relentlessly in a way that to me is anti-town. This is either scummy or just poor play in my view.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Datisi why aren't you voting Naerys yet?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm being voted. That's a scum claim.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Naerys you still haven't answered why you defended scum wolf yesterday.
Obviously nobody is going to be convinced by your "i am town tho, yeet! " routine.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Such as "Ever get the feeling that you are about to make a big mistake?" when Ph0enix voted open wolf?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hm maybe you make a good point. Perhaps you are too scummy to be scum.
UNVOTE:

[NorwegianboyEE]

Did your heart go "doki" for a second there?
VOTE: Naerys

[NorwegianboyEE]

Every newbie game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

2)i hope you wont take offence but i dont rlly want to play any game where you will be

Why?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't know why you feel that way, but if you feel like i've been rude against you or anything to that effect. I'm sorry.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I can see your trio arguing till death

I don't know why you phrase that like it's a bad thing. Arguing is a part of the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm sure Norway's a nice guy when he's not busy lynching scum.

Of course.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So one of you is mason and one is scum. That's a interesting twist.
Nobody vote yet please. Don't want scum to quickhammer.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not going to bother casing either one of you until i've seen what you have to say.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Although i will say i'm not the mason, i claim VT.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Claiming VT.

If you're VT it means Datisi is mason. Ergo you are scum from my perspective. Because i'm the real VT.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Datisi, i've pretty much decided Ph0enix is scum and you're the mason based on Ph0enix's claim alone.

[NorwegianboyEE]

At least i was initially right about Naery's being town, but that association with Map Wolf was too blatant.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I should really trust my gut reads in the future, also i need to stop TR'ing townie sounding walls of text.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So Phoenix, you should probably start scum-casing me. Or Datisi might fall on my side over you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Datisi, Ph0enix is le scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who do you think is more likely to be scum Datisi? Me who immediately joined you in voting Map Wolf and stayed through with it, or Ph0enix who joined only like 3rd in the wagon when it already seemed inevitable he'd be lynched that day?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah that was dumb of Ph0enix, i probably would have sided with him against you Datisi, but apparently he thinks i'm the easier one to mislynch here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Alright Datisi, but you're the conf!town. We're the suspects. You're eventually going to have to say which one of us you think is scum and why.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you just wanna end the game in victory tho, you can just hammer immediately.
VOTE: Ph0enix

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm certain rather than proceed to do a full 180 on a Townie, thank you very much.

Is that the strategy you're going with? You said earlier that you thought my aggressive pushing was my town playstyle, but now that you're cornered you go a full 180 on yourself and claim i'm scummy for it. Lmao.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If i was scum i would have claimed mason. Just sayin, the fact that i'm not proves i'm town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also if you want a meta clear on me, i'm usually never this aggressive as scum. I like to stay in the back and pretend like i'm doing townie things, not blatantly push a lynch on Naerys like i did yesterday. Or stick my head out by pushing you and Saladman.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm certain rather than proceed to do a full 180 on a Townie, thank you very much.

Is that the strategy you're going with? You said earlier that you thought my aggressive pushing was my town playstyle, but now that you're cornered you go a full 180 on yourself and claim i'm scummy for it. Lmao.

I'm not bothered by you pushing Naerys, I'm bothered by you townreading Naerys and the following sudden change of heart, going so far as to remove the vote you'd already placed on Map previously in order to vote her.

Shush scum. I'm talking to Datisi.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well here's an example of my townplay (Shos and Drew are cult FYI):
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=700

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also if you want a meta clear on me, i'm usually never this aggressive as scum. I like to stay in the back and pretend like i'm doing townie things, not blatantly push a lynch on Naerys like i did yesterday. Or stick my head out by pushing you and Saladman.

I'm not that big of a fan of meta reads, I prefer to not look at it thoroughly if I have better evidence available.

You're not a fan of it because you're scum and don't want me to look townier than you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I suspected Map Wolf early in this game. Look at post 36 and 37.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So you're either saying that you voting Map during RVS/pushing him a bit from the start is Town indicative or you're bragging that you voted scum after his first post,

I'm bragging. ^^

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also if you want a meta clear on me,

i'm usually never this aggressive as scum

. I like to stay in the back and pretend like i'm doing townie things, not blatantly push a lynch on Naerys like i did yesterday.

Or stick my head out by pushing you and Saladman

.

?
Do you think I'll notice a clear meta difference if I compare this game to your scum game Norway? (and please tell me there's something other than Nomination Mafia I can look at)

On this website there is only nomination mafia for my scum!game sadly.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm actually glad you chose me for the LYLO duel Ph0enix, because i probably wouldn't have caught you out as scum if it was done any other way.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok, can you expand on how the parts I bolded are different?

I'm saying that i wouldn't do unnecessarily risky things as scum. Both the bolded parts indicate that my behavior in this game doesn't fit my scum play.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh look, Ph0enix has amnesia. He doesn't remember why i know he's scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I didn't have a plan coming in today. I thought you were scum Datisi. Obviously Ph0enix has prepped for this, while i'm more of a spontaneous and lazy guy. You decide yourself what's more scummy lol.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Think about it, why would scum!me put myself in a situation where i'm put against a town!Ph0enix whom i've townread all game. And the deciding factor is the guy i shit!pushed 2 days ago. That's a really fucking dumb scum strategy lmao. Obviously i'm here because Ph0enix analyzed the situation and thought he would have the best shot at winning the game if he could convince you to vote me here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And since you so strongly TR Saladman he was obviously the kill to be made.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Think about it, why would scum!me put myself in a situation where i'm put against a town!Ph0enix whom i've townread all game.

And the deciding factor is the guy i shit!pushed 2 days ago.

How did you know i would be the deciding factor?

I didn't? I made that statement after it was already made clear that you are the deciding factor.
Damn, you really must be tired.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway i'm not gonna sit here and waste my entire day for a newbie game LYLO. If you think Ph0enix's lies are convincing then you just need to vote me. I'm taking a break now, ciao.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hi again Jackson! Hopefully my slot won't wrongly hammer you in LyLo this time around

Ohhh past!Datisi you dumbass...

Pedit: Norway I know when the statement was made. But it was supposed to show a "scum you last night" thought process, who had no idea I was the Mason.

I still need to think about stuff wrt why Salad was killed. I think it's a weird choice.

Also i think you wanted to throw a bit harsher insult at me there

Ppedit: Norway this day phase lasts 7 days. Why do you think I would vote in like less than 2 hours?

I often tend to edit and "normalize" my initially super insulting first draft of posts yes.
Good catch!

But oh god, please don’t tell me i have to argue with this Phoenix joker for 7 days. I’d rather just self-hammer tbh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How this one day is going to play out for 7 straight days:

Spoiler:

[NorwegianboyEE]

Spoiler:

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m more busy having fun. Boring analyzis never struck a chord with me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i’m not fighting you on your own terms Ph0enix. I prefer to let Datisi read the game and come to the conclusion you’re scum naturally. Have fun crunching numbers that somehow prove my behaviour is scum indicative.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Looking back, there is something interesting about Naerys's behaviour during Day 3.

I read it. Don't know what you're getting at though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hmm, maybe.
But there is also chance, he picked random town person, bcz he knew you´d think that?

Somebody is fishing a bit, dont you think, Norwegian?

I probably should have asked what she meant by "somebody is fishing a bit", but i was too stubborn. I regret that a bit now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you're talking speedlynches then you're a master of it. That GBJ lynch was lit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who would win?

Ph0enix spending ages in his mafia PT perfecting his master plan to fool the remaining townies. Smooth townie looking behavior all across the game that fooled literally everyone.
vs
One speedlynchy boi.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Me! HEHEHAHAHAHAA!!!
Ok but seriously now.
I wouldn't agree to a Kanna kill. Honestly she didn't seem like a threat or big town presence at all. It was a weird kill.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If i had been scum in this game i would kill me on N1.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wouldn't mind losing to Phoenix honestly. He has been a smooth criminal. So it doesn't feel as bad losing to him assuming you hammer wrong here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But for the sake of my wincon, i must insist you hammer him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

For the sake of YOUR wincon too actually. We're town Datisi!

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm also lowkey angry at the idea that Ph0enix thinks i'm the easiest player to mislynch here so nothing would satisfy me more than watching him DIE.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because he could have claimed mason and reversed the situation where i'm conf!town and the decision is between Datisi and Ph0enix. But he intentionally chose to claim VT.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also the fact that Salad died.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well, he could have killed you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You might as well just say what the "interesting" thing about Naery's was, cus neither me nor Ph0enix has any clue.
Also i'm curious what your mason tell with Kanna was?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Notice how quickly Ph0enix's interest in the game faded once i got on the offensive. Now all he's got are short one liner posts, unlike his previous composed self. He knows that even he aint got a chance against an obvtown such as i.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh that's nice crumbing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do i actually have to look at Nomination Mafia ughhhhhhhhhhhh

I can sum it up for you. When i was scum in nomination mafia LYLO i spent all day arguing and begging one of the townies to vote the other, because i spent so much effort getting to that point. While here i just don't care that much really.

[NorwegianboyEE]

what do you mean you don't care that much?

I'm saying that i'm not gonna spend hours finding quotes that "prove" my towniness and Ph0enix's scumminess. That's up to you as the tie breaker. I already know who the scum is so the game isn't that interesting to me anymore.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ph0enix, i admire your persistence. But i'm not gonna talk to you. You're scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lol i bet you're getting a headache right about now Datisi.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well, this post is something worth looking at:

VOTE: Norwegian
Don't really like 67 and 75. I don't see how GBJ finding you suspicious makes him scum.

Sure he unvoted immediately, but that's definitely not something a scum partner would do.
There's also more i mentioned earlier today.

As for scumtells on Ph0enix it's a bit of a challenge since he has been playing very smartly by bussing his teammate with a vote when Map Wolf's wagon reached L-2. He also has managed to keep up a very good progression, honestly i'm impressed by it. He does play it safe though, as i pointed out when i first saw him. He's never done anything controversial that shows genuine resolve in solving the game, all his posts are presented very matter of factly and with some sprinkled in light questioning.
What i can say to my defense is, assuming i'm scum... why would scum!me immediately claim VT and go heads to toe with town!Phoenix over claiming mason and trying to convince town!Ph0enix to vote you Datisi (a much more mislynchable player)? I may play recklessly sometimes, but there's no reason why scum!me would make such a bad play. It's a situation scum!Ph0enix took advantage of to make me look bad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Which is why i would have waited if i was scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Assuming i am in fact scum... why would scum!me at the beginning of D4 immediately claim VT and argue with town!Phoenix whom would be the real VT in this scenario, rather than instead fake claim mason and try to convince town!Ph0enix to vote Datisi (whom is a much more mislynchable player). Theoretical scum!me is unlikely to make the play i did today, therefore it indicates i am town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Show me anything you've done this game which requires backbone.
Let's see, you voted GBJ to L-1. (a player i started the wagon on)

can someone put them on L-1 so we can get a claim or sth?

It doesn't seem as if we're going to get information from him otherwise at this point. I gave him plenty of time to answer my questions.

VOTE: GBJ

This is L-1.

You voted Map Wolf to L-1 when it already seemed inevitable he would be lynched, a wagon which was already started by Datisi whom i joined immediately because i genuinely reflected on whether my reads were wrong.

To all three of my scumreads: What are your thoughts about the game right now? Reads, anything else you want to share? And given that we're 28 pages in I would like

a more thorough answer

, not shotgun reads or something. I think it's not much to ask.

Sorry that

I don't have much to say

, but

I really don't know how to place people in this game beyond my earlier readlist

.

"(Non Imh), (Ph0enix), (NorwegianboyEE)
(

Datisi

), (Naerys)

(Saladman27)

" ---> Scumread? Hello?

VOTE: Datisi

...

For fuck's sake.

VOTE: Map Wolf

This is L-1.

And then you voted me because that was the only choice left for you at this point.

VOTE: NorwegianBoyEE

Ignoring the last vote, you've been coasting the entire game and held few original opinions of your own. And you've never risked your neck. That is the play of someone that wants to go by unseen, not solve the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And take a look at Jackson's ISO. that is one of the most awful ISO's i've ever seen. There's nothing more than fluff.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you're referring to your votes left and right in order to obtain information,

And that isn't town indicative for you?
The mere fact that you're saying my votes were intended for information gathering suggests you know they were made with a town intention in mind. You're scumslipping.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norway, I'm kinda skimming through parts of the game, you've been calling Ph0enix "unmistakingly Town" until like late Day 2. Did his play not ping you before?

No, it didn't much. Until now where i'm actually analyzing him more deeply to figure out how he slipped past everyone's radar.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because i READ Datisi's behaviour and it seemed genuine, that's why i switched gears to Map Wolf who was, as i quote:

I keep thinking back on Map Wolf. No attempt at solving, just sheeping reads lists and opinions. I think Map Wolf could be a good alternative here.

If we go purely by activity as a scumtell then Map Wolf is the scummiest by far. I could see scum!him looking at the gamestate and deciding to hide in the shadows by saying absolutely nothing of value, hoping town will forget about him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Honestly i'd prefer Map Wolf today though, feels like he's been popping in only at convenient moments where he feels the need to defend himself, but not actually contribute much to the solving of the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You didn't answer 985. Although I may be missing your point here.

Because i would have waited until either one of you had claimed and then gauged my opinions. Because scum or town, anyone could figure out that there would be exactly 1 town, 1 mason and one scum. So if scum waits they can choose and pick who they'd go against.

[NorwegianboyEE]

opinions.

*options.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So you also read Naerys' behavior and it suddenly didn't appear as genuine as you first thought?

Because of possible association with Map Wolf who looked really scummy, also may i add that you scumread Naery's pretty much the whole game until i "convinced" you otherwise at some point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So you also read Naerys' behavior and it suddenly didn't appear as genuine as you first thought?

Naery's i don't like how you were completely ok with voting Saladman but now you're stalling.

True.

You're not exactly a saint either regarding Naerys. Why are you pushing this angle?

[NorwegianboyEE]

So you also read Naerys' behavior and it suddenly didn't appear as genuine as you first thought?

Because of possible association with Map Wolf who looked really scummy, also may i add that you scumread Naery's pretty much the whole game until i "convinced" you otherwise at some point.

Referring to which part of the game in particular?

The part where Naery's refused to vote Map Wolf. And the other thing that part where everyone asked me why i TR Naerys.

[NorwegianboyEE]

There's something wrong in the village
In the village, oh

Can you hammer already, what's the point in me arguing all day with scum!Phoenix. I already know he's going to misrepresent, nitpick or deny every point i have against him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just look at Jackson's ISO and decide for yourself how bad his slot was until Ph0enix did some damage control.

[NorwegianboyEE]

There's something wrong in the village
In the village, oh

Can you hammer already, what's the point in me arguing all day with scum!Phoenix. I already know he's going to misrepresent, nitpick or deny every point i have against him.

If I have something about your points that I don't agree with, of course I'm going to say something, what?

So scum!you would genuinely give up if i had a super strong argument? Or would you fight it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're pretty talkative for someone who stated he doesn't want to talk to me 2 hours prior.

Yeah i don't know how you convinced me into it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just look at Jackson's ISO and decide for yourself how bad his slot was until Ph0enix did some damage control.

Oh so now you're playing that card? Now that none of the other stuff worked.

Misrep^

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just look at Jackson's ISO and decide for yourself how bad his slot was until Ph0enix did some damage control.

Oh so now you're playing that card? Now that none of the other stuff worked.

Misrep^

?

Do you think your other arguments were valid or what?

Yes? What arguments are not valid?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't trust anything you say, so most of the time i ignore your reasoning for denouncing my arguments.
I only care about convincing Datisi.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway i'm done with this session. Probably won't be back to this thread until i've slept tonight.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I hate LYLO

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because i READ Datisi's behaviour and it seemed genuine, that's why i switched gears to Map Wolf who was, as i quote:

I keep thinking back on Map Wolf. No attempt at solving, just sheeping reads lists and opinions. I think Map Wolf could be a good alternative here.

If we go purely by activity as a scumtell then Map Wolf is the scummiest by far. I could see scum!him looking at the gamestate and deciding to hide in the shadows by saying absolutely nothing of value, hoping town will forget about him.

Yeah, that was after you gave up on pushing Datisi. When did you read his behavior as genuine, exactly? Cause it seems like it's you pushing him and questioning Salad, and then suddenly "I keep thinking back on Map Wolf".

Yeah, that's exactly what i did. But there's nothing scummy about it in my case. I often tend to change my reads ingame rather violently. If you want examples of me performing that behaviour as town i've got thousands.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ignoring the last vote, you've been coasting the entire game and held few original opinions of your own. And you've never risked your neck. That is the play of someone that wants to go by unseen, not solve the game.

You didn't have a problem with that until today, why bring it up now, suddenly?

Because you went completely fell under my radar. How hard is it to understand that i went from "do not suspect Ph0enix" to: "excplicitly aware that Ph0enix is scum" and therefore analyzing your ISO much more deeply?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ph0enix, can i call you razor from now on? Because you are one sharp scum player. Mad respect.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because your play this game could easily be a playstyle related thing so i didn't mind it initially, i will admit though. I haven't looked at your one town game on-site yet. But i'm going to right now to see if i can find any differentiation.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I will say that one difference i immediately recognize from Razor's towngame in Newbie 1973, his posts are much more natural. Asking questions, keeping with the flow of the game. While in this game (prior to the LYLO duel with me), Razor has sounded much more robotic, reads lists with freaking flashy colours, lots of quotes referring to posts with numbers. Basically, he is

trying very hard to

appear

as town.

His opening posts are good examples of this behaviour, wall of text-y, colours, quotes with line tag, crafted meticulously.
Examples: post 331, 334, 686.
This post is another egregious piece of fluff that i honestly don't see the point of making, look at that amount of text for an statement that could essentially be condensed down into one shorter sentence. -> 504

[NorwegianboyEE]

Long story short, Razor is trying very hard to appear as town. But his actions don't really make him so, excluding his bussing of Map Wolf.

[NorwegianboyEE]

There is a difference in tone here, you were less aggressive than you were in newbie 1973.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Side question: If I'm scum, why bring you to LyLo instead of killing you N1, given the fact that if we look only at D1, pretty much everyone had agreed that you are Town?

Probably because of PR hunting, or they thought i would look scummy enough when GBJ was mislynched. And these latest days scum obviously has been hunting for the conf!town.
Scum hunts PR -> Kanna mason dies.
Non Imh claims 2nd mason -> he dies.
Players suspect Salad is 2nd mason -> he dies.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think we should wait for a potential replacement and then lynch JacksonVirgo unless there comes more content form the slot.

This is a weird post.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That seems like bussing for the sake of bussing a scum partner. Why would you "wait for replacement" and then lynch the slot?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Map what's your opinion on ph0enix slot now?

The stuff he has posted seems townie in tone. I'm not as concerned about pressuring him now.

And then quickly giving up the idea.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think he meant lynch the slot in case he doesn't provide more information,

That's not what he said.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not saying his townread was suspicious, i'm saying it's weird how he explicitly stated wanting to wait until a replacement and THEN lynch the replacement.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The reason i'm bringing this up is because we know for a fact that Map wolf and the scum player was heavily bussing each other through the game to eliminate associations. So Map Wolf's post there looks unnatural and could be indicative of a bussing attempt on his scum partner.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Then why didn't he say: "Let's not think about lynching the slot until we've seen what the replacement has to say." Why is it phrased so awkwardly?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Side question: If I'm scum, why bring you to LyLo instead of killing you N1, given the fact that if we look only at D1, pretty much everyone had agreed that you are Town?

Probably because of PR hunting, or they thought

i would look scummy enough when GBJ was mislynched

.

I don't know where you get that from, GBJ didn't do himself any favors.

Yeah you're right there. I think what happened is that scum looked at the gamestate and decided that Kanna's more refrained apprached signalled a PR slot and they chose her as the N1 kill.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do you agree with that Razor? Or do you have a different interpretation?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Possible. Still I'd probably go for the most townie-seeming player by that point, you, in that case,

This isn't really a point that proves your towniness, because scum!you could easily decide to go for someone else and later frame me by saying: "the reason Norwee wasn't killed on N1 is because he's mafia."

hope he's also one of the Masons.

I love this line, why would you speculate that the scum would: "hope he's one of the masons" unless scum!you was at that point, acutely aware that the town PR's were likely to be masons, and you're bringing that memory with you here and not concealing it?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I completely forgot that we didn't know what the setup was until Kanna was killed N1.

And you would forget this because?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Razor is a blunt saw.
Are you admitting your guilt?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I completely forgot that we didn't know what the setup was until Kanna was killed N1.

And you would forget this because?

Because we've known the setup for most of the game, and me joining even later on D1 makes it an even bigger percentage of the whole experience in comparison to most of the other players that participate(d).

I don't buy it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You should, it's connected to your wincon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Datisi is that enough for you? Do i need to keep digging up all the dirt i can find on this guy?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also, how would I be aware that the town PRs are Masons, exactly?

Because if the scum team consists of a mafia goon/mafia goon setup which i heavily suspect to be the case, it is 1/3 likely that the town PR's are masons. And scum!you would be on the lookout for it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Datisi is that enough for you? Do i need to keep digging up all the dirt i can find on this guy?

What dirt? So far it's been you throwing arguments, me defending myself, and you continuing to the next when you see an argument is full of shit in the first place.

Well no, most of your defenses are mediocre and doesn't decidedly prove that i'm wrong. Merely you pointing out: "oh but in a theoretical world i could be town here!" doesn't completely invalidate what i say.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Datisi is that enough for you? Do i need to keep digging up all the dirt i can find on this guy?

If you were so sure Datisi wouldn't vote you upon rereading as you said in the beginning of D4, you wouldn't have had to dig up dirt in the first place. You're not so sure anymore who Datisi's going to vote.

You keep your nose clean. So it's hard to pinpoint exactly what you've done that can be considered 100% scum indicative. That's why i keep digging in your ISO because i'm trying to win. Also my confidence is a tactic, not necessarily the truth.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway apparently Datisi has made up his mind so there's no point wasting anymore time. I still think you scum-slipped with your comment about why scum would target Kanna earlier.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Datisi is that enough for you? Do i need to keep digging up all the dirt i can find on this guy?

If you were so sure Datisi wouldn't vote you upon rereading as you said in the beginning of D4, you wouldn't have had to dig up dirt in the first place. You're not so sure anymore who Datisi's going to vote.

You keep your nose clean. So it's hard to pinpoint exactly what you've done that can be considered 100% scum indicative. That's why i keep digging in your ISO because i'm trying to win. Also my confidence is a tactic, not necessarily the truth.

You're still contradicting yourself given early-D4-Norway as opposed to your attitude now. First, I'm definitely scum and Datisi has to only reread the game to understand that, and now you have to "dig up dirt" in order to prove your point. Tactic, you say? I'm not sure it's working out as intended.

It's not a contradiction as it is a change of heart. And why is that scummy exactly.
Anyway i've seen enough out of you. And i thought you felt the discussion was over.
Are you perhaps nervous about losing since you're restarting the discussion?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was referring to you thinking I scum-flipped.

I meant scum-slipped. But you're right. That's exactly what i'm thinking. You're going to scumflip.

[NorwegianboyEE]

*Freudian slip

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh btw Razor, regardless of what happens next. I hope you didn't find this argument unpleasant or anything to that effect. I think you're a genuinely cool guy and i wish we were on the same alignment, but unfortunately we're not.
Gotta say this since i feel kinda bad about Naerys feeling like she doesn't want to play with me anymore.

[NorwegianboyEE]

*sigh*

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why did i even bother.
I'll take a shot of vodka in your honour Razor.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh god that burns. But feels good, like a cleansing fire.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What can i say? Razor was scum but i could find nothing damning on him. How are you supposed to win in LYLO against that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can i be salty that you voted wrong?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Imagine that feeling when you come into D4 confident that Datisi is scum, then you realize the towniest looking player in the game is scum and you've got to convince annoying conf!town mason man you weren't scum-pushing him earlier. :^)

[NorwegianboyEE]

So Datisi, what sealed your "scumread" on me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Razor is scum MVP

[NorwegianboyEE]

You scumreading me when i'm town is nothing new for me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mena likes to see me suffer.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you scumread me i'm town, if you townread me i'm scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That's because i wanted to play more calmly and refrained, but then i got bored and went back to my usual antics.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That's because i wanted to play more calmly and refrained, but then i got bored and went back to my usual antics.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also, were the Non and Salad kills actually attempts at the Mason?

You really didn't think that?
It was obvious to me that scum was targeting the last mason since they killed everyone who claimed/was thought to be it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Guess i'll emulate my D1 behaviour and just learn to shut up for the next game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Guess i'll emulate my D1 behaviour and just learn to shut up for the next game.

It will be interesting to see whether this happens given that our next game together will be when you’re in a hydra with hectic who, god rest his soul, is not someone I would describe as a “calming” presence

Oh. Good point. That game will become a shitfest. You have my guarantee on that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I thought it was salad bc he seemed the most sceptical of the non claim, but you were my second choice

Tbh I am kinda glad that I managed to at least do this right

because

truth be told I actually wanted to roll scum this game

and when I saw i was a Mason i was like "lol okay I'm gonna distance and coach and create fake tells with my partner anyway"

R u okay

I replaced in during the slaughter that was Guns and Roses III

I am sick and tired of playing Town and living to endgame and then being in lylo and having the entire dead thread look at me be fucking stupid

Dude, the entire dead thread was cheering you on to hammer me according to what i hear. So really you should just point and laugh at my bad play.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee/Hectic hydra enters the ring:

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fixed:

[NorwegianboyEE]

I lost 1v1 in LYLO once as both town and scum now. Well it can only go uphill from here right?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I like post 284 in the mason thread.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Everyone likes to choose the evil route.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Don't feel too bad, most people think my townplay is scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And it's the first time you've played with me so...

[NorwegianboyEE]

And when i was scum in nomination mafia you called me town. I remember.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Idk why you guys thought my defense of Naerys on D1 was scummy. I correctly read her as town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I didn’t mention this before but i was actually tempted to just say: "there’s no way i’ll convince you it’s Ph0enix" and self-vote on the start of D4. But didn’t.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You convinced me in the end.