Open 767: Nomination Mafia [Day 7]

[RadiantCowbells]

if i wanted to distract the focus from cirno i could have lynched gl, i could have finished the norway lynch, i could have done everything.
you will never have a rebuttal to the fact that i chose to go after the lynch that i would be held responsible for missing on the day before lylo to make sure that if i get lynched you go down as well.
and you're still openly trying to hold onto your position in the townblock after i flip town and your posts make it obvious that you know i'm gonna flip town so idk what you're even doing

[RadiantCowbells]

Also tbh all these Menalque's lulzing is NAI.
I think he's more mad at the fact that he was unlynchable and now he suddenly is, regardless of his alignment.

he's scum m8, do you really not see it enough to make this post

[RadiantCowbells]

You couldn’t have lynched joey and you can’t lynch me without having to fight for it

Maybe you can get the mislynch through, I’m genuinely curious

I think you’ve been obviously openwolfing but I have the advantage of knowing your push is scum motivated

based on the things you yourself have said about my scumgame i can easily mislynch you in lylo, since i'm clearly going after you either way the question isn't can i lynch you or not
it's do i go for your lynch in lylo (where I can say all this stuff and town will never have a chance to hold me responsible for it after if you flip town) or now (where town can hold me responsible if you flip town)
it's really simple.

For anyone interested this is RC trying to get the idea into your head that my posting quality is getting worse when it’s not

pretty sure everyone's gonna back me up that you're doing a worse and worse job and that you'd have been better off just stopping before you spewed your partner as well.

[RadiantCowbells]

This is partner chat designed to reinforce the idea that I’m lynchable here which is very much only the case if you actually think RC’s play in any way comes from town here since he replaced in

what does this even mean: he's clearly lynchable: 3 slots are reasonably likely to end up voting him (me cirno suji)
this is the thing that republicans do where they think if they talk about stuff (like being obvtown) enough everyone will eventually believe it.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean you even said that you can't outpost RC and will accept your lynch for RC trade no?

that's not the point

they're not trying to win anymore i think they know that even if they flip me they're super obviously the team together

i think they just wanna get me before they go tbh

[RadiantCowbells]

Whats one of the primary goals for scum joining a losing gamestate? Create as much chaos as possible to try and reset the possible worlds available to them. The world we were in pre-rep was losing for scum!awoo and scum!pk because pk was prob getting lynched today or by day 7 and then joey and I were PoEing for the win. Creating this amount of chaos and the hyper posting related to it is an attempt to browbeat town into submission so that you just lynch me so it stops. All I’m doing here is defending myself, it’s entirely RC’s fault that the gamestate is now like this.

correct: it is entirely my fault that we have a chance of lynching actual scum now instead of going for lynchbait slots like GL and PK

[RadiantCowbells]

and again: all i had to do as scum
was lynch whichever of GL/Norway/whoever isn't my partner, with Joey even having agreed he'll vote pretty much whoever I vote
set up a rule of 3 that doesn't kill my buddy
then do this in lylo and kill you.

as i've pointed out before. and you've kept deflecting and making weird claims that mostly serve the purpose of trying to pocket joey, but the fact remains that from your point of view i could have lynched anyone and i went after you specifically

which i have no motivation to do as scum because the way i'm pushing you is going to get me an insane amount of flak "if" you flip town
but a ton of motivation as town who is unsure if i'll actually be able to get you lynched and who needs to rely on the fact that if you get me lynched you are going to die in the following odd phase

[RadiantCowbells]

Nope all you’re doing is trying to bully the thread into doing what you want by being intransigent and aggressive and hyper posting until people give up because the way can’t keep up with you so they just submit

oh look. you started losing and you started accusing me of bullying and shit again. because there's really no rational arguments that work for why i'm scum so you just have to be abusive and ate.

[RadiantCowbells]

If you can’t see that RC is just trying to repurpose my own arguments when it suits him to do so I can’t help you

He has nothing original to say and he cannot scum hunt this game because he’s scum

what does this even mean????
all that post was doing was pointing out that contrary to his claims there are several people lined up to vote him.

[RadiantCowbells]

See the great irony is that even if you do succeed in mislynching me today you’ve actually obviously spewed cirno as your partner and have been doing so since your replace in

I’m just worried you’re going to try a bully people into submission again after you manage to mislynch me (if you do so) and then they’re not going to be willing to stick with it and actually get you lynched

how does that work?

I've "obviously" spewed Cirno as my partner
I've set myself up to get speedlynched when you flip town by repeatedly asking to be burden of proficiencied on your flip

the game's over, no? you can just like selfvote or whatever and you win congratulations juiceboxes for everyone

[RadiantCowbells]

also note that Menalque is making 0 effort whatsoever to actually convince yall
in a world where he flips town
to actually lynch me the next day.

he hasn't said anything about that, and that should be his #1 priority given that he says he already has the solve.

all his arguments are about not lynching him, about lynching me first, about why I'm scum, etc. because there's no point trying to convince yall to vote me after his flip because his flip isn't town.
i on the other hand was always more focused on establishing the 1v1 and making sure that regardless of the outcome he ended up lynched. that's a town pov. his pov doesn't make sense as town in his situation.
he should be screaming to the hills to lynch me after he flips town, he should be doubling down on the burden of proficiency instead of HELPING ME MAKE EXCUSES FOR WHY HE FLIPS TOWN BY CITING OTHER GAMES.
if he was town he NEVER brings up a game that he perceives as me mislynching in another situation because I can use that as ammunition to defend myself after i mislynch him
but if he's trying to set up to argue that I was wrong on him later, bringing up a game where I mislynched a townie in a situation he claims is similar makes perfect sense

[RadiantCowbells]

I think you’re trying to bait me into self voting like I did when I got emotionally worked up as town before and then planning to begin a campaign of trying to delegitimise my reads

no you just don't flip town so you don't have any stake in influencing what happens after your "townflip"

[RadiantCowbells]

The problem is that this is indefinite. You’re going to keep spouting shit and I’m not going to just sit back and let you be the big swinging dick who shouts people down until he gets his own way.

I know exactly what you’re doing and it’s incredibly frustrating because engaging with you here just increases apathy and makes it closer and closer to 50/50 that people choose between us rather than lynching you while you’re open wolfing. But not engaging just let’s you hijack the thread and bully/cajole each individual person into voting with you

get over yourself, you're not as good at scum as you want to think that you are.

[RadiantCowbells]

1v1

"1v1"

meanwhile i've told literally everyone to lynch me if u flip town

[RadiantCowbells]

"Honestly"

[RadiantCowbells]

it sounds like you feel entitled to being able to beat me somehow but you can't and that bothers you.

[RadiantCowbells]

Because In my 6 years of playing Mafia I have

NEVER

seen anyone follow the end deal of the 1v1.

it happens when it involves me nearly all of the time.

[RadiantCowbells]

it's literally the opposite of the message i want pushed so if anything you're just showing the fact that we're not working in tandem unlike you and scandinavia

i note that you still have not made any sort of meaningful comment about them or interacted with them at all

[RadiantCowbells]

Nah man, I think you just can’t handle the fact that I won’t lie down and let scum dictate this game

i mean aside from the abusive part i'm fine with bantering with you. i've enjoyed this day phase except when you were getting salty and calling me a bully.

this is what i used to live for in mafia, y'know.

[RadiantCowbells]

like i'm not telling u to lie down, i'm telling u to not call me a bully because you're not getting what you want out of the thread because your case is stupid and doesn't make sense

Why do I need to? You’re obv!scum. I was hot on pk!scum before the rep out and the way you’ve been playing with cirno since the rep out pretty much confs him as your partner.

Therefore everyone else is town, and it’s just a matter of trying to get them to see you as the scum you are while you try to do the same against me, only you get one guaranteed vote from your buddy

i mean yes excluding the forced towntells that is the game, just keep the ate out of it because i am so tired of ate u have no idea

[RadiantCowbells]

i am perfectly fine with strongarming. bully has massively different denotations from that.

[RadiantCowbells]

idk. am i some sort of weird idealist nowadays where i'm just tired of getting ated at when i push on people? like eth0s ruined that newbie game for me

[RadiantCowbells]

i don't even rly want to defend myself via ate anymore unless i'm being pushed on via ate i just am over that

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I get that you make these pushes when you’re town too so you have to do it as scum or it’d be a de facto trust tell but it’s your behaviour that brings on the response. I would not react like this if I were scum, because I find it much harder to get emotional and because I wouldn’t have let things get charged in the first place as scum

Fine, I’ll say strongarming

loldefense but ok

[RadiantCowbells]

i don't think my strategies for killing my scumreads are different from other people's strategies for killing their scumreads outside of the fact that mine are more effective.

[RadiantCowbells]

and yeah, it's fundamentally nai to not want to be lynched because no alignment wants to be lynched hey look i'm buddy cop thingying

[RadiantCowbells]

or they ignore RC telling them that the fucking trust telling fuck is scum and townread the trust telling fuck anyway

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm not saying that you have to like playing with me i'm saying that i don't feel like i'm doing something wrong.

[RadiantCowbells]

like i totally see why you would not be having the greatest experience here but like i'm not doing something wrong. i understand that it feels helpless and what not.

You post more in thread and are more effective at coercing people

well yeah. but that's not like a different thing it's just being more effective on the axis of quantity and idk what axis you'd call the other thing
like i consider myself the logical limit of how effective pushing can be when i'm properly motivated to sit in a thread and beat someone up

[RadiantCowbells]

bro drcirno you are making literally the worst choices of posts to not give menalque ammunition to call us svs

[RadiantCowbells]

I think it is very hard for the average person not to respond to being hard pushed as a mislynch by scum regardless of intentions to not respond emotionally

Bringing up Ali v Pine is a bit uncalled for tbh but if you wanna go there cool

first off: i'm town, there's rly no need to use this discussion to try to towntell (you can just use neutral phrasing) and i think generally reactions to pressure are pretty NAI, at least from me. second off lol at you guys lynching LLD d1 then flailing the rest of the game

[RadiantCowbells]

[quote="In post 2869, DrCirno"][/quote]

you were the one person who wasn't gting

[RadiantCowbells]

except when u selfhammered

i planned to post in twilight holy shit we should have lynched gdgw omg

[RadiantCowbells]

i was also hoping to fool you that we were scum by quickhammering after you voted

[RadiantCowbells]

drcirno doesn't understand ppl being sensitive at all, he wouldn't have thought of that tbh

[RadiantCowbells]

drcirno is guyinfreezer

[RadiantCowbells]

idk

i think me as the bastion of "pls stop all the ate" is really funny and ironic

[RadiantCowbells]

Also I don't think scum RC would say "treat me as confirmed scum if this flips town" because he knows people will actually listen to that compared to other people saying the same.

That's what he wants you to think.

this is hilarious and how can we solve this game tier

[RadiantCowbells]

i can't get over that post lol

[RadiantCowbells]

YEAH well

thats what he WANTS you to think

[RadiantCowbells]

LUV didn't make his IC post so the newbies can't catch him

[RadiantCowbells]

Norway is definitely going to be a meme in the long run

[RadiantCowbells]

I'll lynch cirno today on the condition that after he flips red we stop fucking around and lynch RC next opportunity that comes up

how does that sound?

This is him trying to sneak a flip in front of me so he can't be held responsible for my mislynch

Jesus fucking Christ GL if you end up voting me that's unforgivable

[RadiantCowbells]

Like this isn't Menalque playing well and you being snowed

This is Menalque transparently being a wolf you pointing out that I'm obvtown norwayee being obviously his partner and you magically deciding that I'm scum anyways because I'm me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like your posting on this page is

1) this doesn't make sense for rcscum
2) this doesn't make sense either for rcscum
3) this ALSO doesn't make sense for rcscum
4) im going to vote RC 60% of the time anyway

Menalque is making every move he can to establish a situation where he still gets to townblock after mislynching me and he's so obvious about it on top of the fact that I've been obvtown after replacing an obvtown slot

[RadiantCowbells]

no, this is me realising that, as I predicted, you would end up forcing this through slightly more likely than not despite me being obvtown

and realising that the best chance is to work with my TRs in a place where they might actually lynch bc a red flip from cirno now conf!towns me and lets me get your lynch done

If you can lynch Cirno you can lynch me

Just that lynching Cirno doesn't put you in a situation where you have to brush off me scumreading you

Like it's super obvious that neither NeE or Mena is actually reading me at all and they're just calling me scum how do we even get here

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not voting outside of RC/cirno today

if you wanna resolve this and you think we might be TvT (looking @ u joey) then okay, don't pick today, lynch cirno and then stop listening to RC once he flips red

Appealing to townie to take the easy flip so that there's no day phase where he gets held responsible for MLing me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Every single thing he has done and posted since this 1v1 started has been in the service of not being held responsible when I flip town.

How do you not see that GL

How do you end up wanting to vote me here

[RadiantCowbells]

You flip Cirno all of a sudden I need every townie to agree to vote you instead of just 4/5 of them

If I can lynch you now and your entire day phase has been aimed at ducking responsibility, there's really no way I get you killed in 5 way if I can't kill you now

[RadiantCowbells]

If anyone else on this site had my iso I would never be in contention as s lynch candidate. Awoo shouldn't have been either.

[RadiantCowbells]

Man

If you don't know how to not townread scum like this you shouldn't have fucking townreads.

[RadiantCowbells]

I find you in contempt of court and fine you all your Halloween candy

[RadiantCowbells]

Idk why randos who always TR scum even have TRs

What use is a TR that is no more likely than rand town

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm saying that Ms as a whole card way too much about "townreads" and then they end up townreading scum and losing.

There's a better way

[RadiantCowbells]

Ms acts like individual reads are the be all end all when realistically if your reads are great you shouldn't play around them.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like if someone demonstrably better than you

Replaced into a game and tells u someone is scum and you can bop them if they're wrong and u vote that person after pointing out their play makes way more sense as town because you townread someone

It's just wrong loo

[RadiantCowbells]

Aren't great

People should get out of the way of scumreads from people who have reliable scumreads regardless of their reads

[RadiantCowbells]

It's also kind of insane that the rationale is being pushed that I'm scum with DrCirno when we have literally nowhere to go if Mena flips town

I die in 5 way if Mena flips town, Cirno slot never lives lylo

Complete dead end
Whereas the other side is clearly playing to try to not get pled after we get mled

[RadiantCowbells]

Like it's obvious

Put the gamestate over individual reads every time

I don't think ank is as gr8 as others do but I respect the fact that she understands that individuals are fallable but the game as a whole is not

[RadiantCowbells]

If I was town I'd never push scum

I get what you're saying but otoh I am RC

[RadiantCowbells]

"look at this game where he pushed town Oh in the same way as this game, he can clearly be wrong on this read"

"ALSO he would NeVeR push town in this manner."

[RadiantCowbells]

I just want to lynch Cirrno still. idk. the explicitly WIFOMy blatant sheeping of RC is scummy as well

So how does "WIFOMy" and "blatant" mix in together buddy

it's WIFOMy because it raises the question of whether a partner would so obviously sheep their buddy

lololololol

[RadiantCowbells]

That's the all time fakest ate lol

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean it's ate not the bad kind tho

[RadiantCowbells]

Ol

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm reporting you all for unskilled player

Did I mention it was a BG

[RadiantCowbells]

Uh there's no cop in the setup and I can PROVE it

[RadiantCowbells]

As the first post of the thread shows

There is clearly no cop in the setup

Therefore Menalque is fakeclaiming and is confirmed scum

[RadiantCowbells]

I want to play wind waker but I'm afraid if I abandon this thread I'll end up getting mislynched

[RadiantCowbells]

Pls don't push me very-much-not-a-mislynch-because-im-scum

That would be mean

[RadiantCowbells]

Outed wolf

[RadiantCowbells]

i e v i l

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm outed lyncher on Menalque

[RadiantCowbells]

Where's that meme

[RadiantCowbells]

Page second

[RadiantCowbells]

Hi Datisi how are you

[RadiantCowbells]

Some newbie who kinda sucks tbh

[RadiantCowbells]

She's the Serbian island princess

[RadiantCowbells]

Bro Norway not posting here lol

[RadiantCowbells]

Micro aggressions

[RadiantCowbells]

You have to say it 3 times

Like watch this

[RadiantCowbells]

Suki pls

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not.

[RadiantCowbells]

Is it not obvious that he's trying to dodge responsibility for my flipping town? is it not obvious that norwegian is scumposting here?
like... he cites a game where i incorrectly tunnel town and then calls me 100% scum immediately after. why do that if he's not trying to get out of mislynching me later.
he ignores the entire self meta discussion that happened right around the Oh push that he's calling me out for and just said "oh i wasn't really reading"

Town or wrong? Wink wink

I'm not town and wrong for sure.

[RadiantCowbells]

what even is his case on me outside of me voting him in a situation where he literally brought up an example of a game he considers similar of me tunneling town?
what exactly is Norway voting me for?

[RadiantCowbells]

and again, if i am scum that wants to mislynch him why do it today. you agreed to vote whoever. why do i establish a townblock outside of myself that can compete with me for town status. why is he talking about us being SvS.

[RadiantCowbells]

and yeah i'm good as scum. i would point out that i haven't efforted in any of my recent scum games, but you might not take that argument.

so i'm instead going off of his actions. he's discrediting his own push on me by bringing up the Oh thing, he's repeatedly trying to duck responsibility for my flip, he won't commit to any townblock to go to LyLo that doesn't include him, all he does is hide behind "everyone was townreading me before the replaces" even though we've now established Suji at the very least had concerns and PK also expressed concerns in his last post.

like idk. i think it's really obvious here. i didn't think it was obvious before this 1v1 happened hence the way i originally engaged it, but i think that he has tremendously failed to fake a town thought process in this argument with me and has just instead openly being playing to scum wincon bc he knows that if he agrees to divert the townblock to someone else it'll actually happen since you tr suki as well.

also there's the entire fact of he hasn't made a single post since the 1v1 started pushing for my flip after he flips town. he's just repeatedly brushed off it as "oh rc wont get lynched" and hasn't pushed it at all. when he was trying to towntell to me all he was really doing was spamming that. where did that go if he's town who thinks the best argument in favor of me being scum is his townflip

[RadiantCowbells]

i've seen too much to thing there's a chance of his flipping town. there's an extent to which this kind of reaction is nai but the way he's approaching it, norway's vote, the things he's talking about, it doesn't make sense as town.
do you think that "well RC did this TvT in another game" (hint: i don't think this is that similar) so he's obviously scum in this one makes a fat lot of sense, or the way he brushed off all the other arguments for me being town

he's not even doing some sort of "WELL RC IS FUCKING RC HE CAN FAKE ALL THIS" thing that would make sense as town he's just like idk scumposting

[RadiantCowbells]

commit to Joey/Suji townblock, treat my slot as one that can never go to endgame, dunno.

[RadiantCowbells]

i dunno. i'm not sure what to say to convince you that scumread x is better than scumread y.
and i don't really want to argue some sort of "we can still win even if we mislynch menalque" for obvious reasons but

we hit scum over the next two days, don't give me a veto on the kill, then in 4-3 way you two are conftown and we lynch me and the remaining slot in those two days
leaves my only scum wincondition as causing mislynches over the next two days but since apparently my scumpartners are so obvious even menalque would say that you guys should be able to hit my buddy

[RadiantCowbells]

Also the alisae flip when she was my lover. Both uwnd/alisae i couldnt stop the lynch nut menalque i probably can

yes but that's not even the big thing, my scumreads now are a lot more reliable than my scumreads then

[RadiantCowbells]

like i had 2 errant scumreads in our last game but they were also the two slots that weren't meaningfully engaged with me
all the town that i voted that engaged with me i ended up seeing they were town and kept going

and i hard scumread 3 of the scum anyway, i just didn't really go the right direction

[RadiantCowbells]

so essentially what i'm saying is
i back off completely from the game
lynch not me the next two days

kill me and whoever's left in 4 way
fmpov it's literally guaranteed that scum gets hit over the next two days unless they put me in the pool in which case you also don't have to worry about me being scum
but i would actually expect scum to not put me in the pool when i can be mislynched on an odd day, i would expect them to try to force a hit on 3 townread scum

Except me i guess

even during the game i complained that you weren't really engaging me. you were just freaking out and stuff.

[RadiantCowbells]

I say "i back off completely" because it could be argued that if i'm scum i'd be able to sneak the lynches onto not my buddy and win that way

[RadiantCowbells]

but again: i think that menalque is scum and the game really doesn't make sense if he's not.

[RadiantCowbells]

like: we could go after norway. i think he would be tremendously more invested in this game if he's scum and he looks a lot like scum.
But I think the gamestate after a norwegianEE mislynch is absolutely terrible.

[RadiantCowbells]

i think he would be tremendously more invested in this game if he's town and he looks a lot like scum *

[RadiantCowbells]

nah. nee scum flip is fine. it completely discredits menalque.

[RadiantCowbells]

stall the game for a very long time then eventually selfvote and leave town the remaining 3 lynches.

[RadiantCowbells]

i don't really see a reason to believe he's scum.

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but he did get a really easy gamestate to play scum in, so.

IFF mena townflip i'd be taking a new look at everyone

[RadiantCowbells]

that includes you but not suji

Same

Letting you lynch menalque feels like having sex for the first time again, full of unknown

@_@

[RadiantCowbells]

i mean i'm not sure if i'd ever give town an imperative to lynch you even if I sr you both on associatives on the fact that you actually played mafia and menalque did what he did in a hypothetical townflip world.

[RadiantCowbells]

like if menalque was defending to the death his "townblock" and my main read was that the townblock didn't carry 2 town i don't really have a problem losing to you and showing menalque that he's a dumb fuck

so like i guess i don't actually reeval you

[RadiantCowbells]

that's the exact same logic i used to hammer not the shoshin slot btw: everyone could get fucked if i was right and everyone told me she was locktown d1. menalque can get fucked if he's wrong on me AND you and dealing with it in this manner.

if that makes sense

[RadiantCowbells]

that's the exact same logic i used to hammer not the shoshin slot btw: everyone could get fucked if i was right and everyone told me she was locktown d1. menalque can get fucked if he's wrong on me AND you and dealing with it in this manner.

if that makes sense

[RadiantCowbells]

idc i'm not reading you anymore. if you as scum were the only player not acting like a total clownfuck you can win.

[RadiantCowbells]

I realize that if ure scum and menalque town, i am the reason why town loses this, so its an ego gamble.

The Battle of Egos (TM)


I realize that if ure scum and menalque town, i am the reason why town loses this, so its an ego gamble.The Battle of Egos (TM)

i don't agree that this is true given that i'm royally fucked if this flips town and i wouldn't kill Menalque just to put Suji in as a replacement.

[RadiantCowbells]

like what's the point of killing one townblock and my towncred to create another townblock, unless you think that you're wrong on suji.

[RadiantCowbells]

also i don't think it's actually possible to SR me here unless it's literally just "ok everything says RC is town.... BUT STILL MAYBE THATS WHAT EVERYONE ELSE THOUGHT THEN BAM"

[RadiantCowbells]

also: now is not the time to throw away my meta of not really trying hard as scum with team mafia coming up

[RadiantCowbells]

like if you think that i'm trying to build that meta intentionally and that my claim that i just can't care about scum games is fake, then this isn't the game to blow it for, TM is.

[RadiantCowbells]

eh

that's not against the rules at all.

[RadiantCowbells]

2 votes on me and 2 votes on menalque

[RadiantCowbells]

yup

me/giffles on menalque

norway/menalque on me

[RadiantCowbells]

you would not

[RadiantCowbells]

can just vote and stop reading til day 6

[RadiantCowbells]

lolhammering ss was the highlight of my last game

[RadiantCowbells]

i was a pretty awful person to play mafia with.

[RadiantCowbells]

ppl wouldn't have written off how awful i was to play with if i wasn't running around with an 100% scum winrate and stuff.

[RadiantCowbells]

you should vote

[RadiantCowbells]

God Norwegian are you just always scummy or are you actually scum this game?

oh yeah

speaking of menalque/norway

[RadiantCowbells]

Hmm, creature could be scum here

This will be a deeply boring 1v1 that i guess I’ll prob lose if he is

Creature I can’t tell how genuine your SR on me is but I think you’re trying to marginalise me atm

Also you’re active here in a way that I haven’t seen you be before and I think I’ve only played with town!you so far so that’s kinda pinging me too

By which I mean I think you’re trying to control the game here and I don’t think I’ve seen you do that as town

Where can I find a couple of recent scumgames of yours?

how he reacted to creature pushing him as scum. should be very familiar. turns around and calls creature scum for voting him.

[RadiantCowbells]

Because I think you’re pretty much cleared on D1 interactions and play, and I think I’m p much cleared on D2 interactions and play. Which is why I want anyone who has worries about me (other than what is close to being pushingouted scum, lol pk) to get them out there today because, again, I think this game is close to pre-won if joey is town and we collectively agree that joey and I are town

Let's lynch RC and win this one for the homies?

[RadiantCowbells]

btw the first time I read that I had weird flashbacks to Enter's post in that game. it was the original reason for my Menalque scumread. my read became a lot more fleshed out when i focused on Titus later

[RadiantCowbells]

it's really hard for me to leave the thread and just let this lie

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm tired and sick and i still just wanna sit here throwing words at menalque or something

[RadiantCowbells]

That's pretty wild. My vote is still for GL/Suji today.

Want to hear a less game related take that I just realized?

Everyone knows the best part of being scum is that you don't have to worry about having accurate reads. Sure feels good just pushing agenda and just BSing reasons that sound plausible. When I first heard this it sure made me feel less happy to roll town.

But today when reading menalque's posts about me, I realized the best part of being town is that you will get townread for things you didn't see coming or plan ahead of time, and it feels great. So much better then when you get townread as mafia for things you planned.

Yeah it kinda sucks that everyone in the lynchpool is literally incapable of towntelling because 1 more town would have instantly solved this game

take some more obvtown Awoo posts

[RadiantCowbells]

I feel like this is another game where I get 1-2 scum and completely miss the last one, only this time there’s no vig around to get the last one

It’s literally happened twice before to me

And again, I think that after one more scum flip this game is basically auto. It’s just lynching scum by PoE until we get to, worst case scenario, you, me and one more.

like he's even making posts foreshadowing the fact that the game's gonna get to lylo with him still alive, it's just really obvious and i don't understand the failure to see it from GL et al.
like, there's nothing that he does that is a particularly hard post to make as scum. idg why people tr people like this. it's all very shoshin-y to me.

[RadiantCowbells]

No offense, but those reads are hilariously surface level. I mean i'm glad you're townreading me, but you should probably put a little bit more effort into it before TR or SR someone?

Do you think that this is an actual townie who scumreads Cirno's slot's response to someone coming in saying that they were town for the E V E R Y T H I N G !
Like, they would call them scum for that. There's no sorting in this post, town doesn't say "you should probably put a little bit more effort into it before TR or SR someone?" when their SR says something dumb.
they call them scum for the dumb thing.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think you’re fairly erratic right now. Are you really sure about this?

Didn’t you scumread me tho? And now you want me to join you on Mena?

Ah, ok.

RC's replacement in a nutshell:

Spoiler:

Like... i've seen your play in Vengeance as scum and i know what you're capable of. So i don't think it's completely unreasonable to suspect you're trying to push for a mislynch here RC.

Well yeah, but town only posted like 5 times in 8 days. So you were 10 times as active compared to them.

I don't know about you, but i usually try to avoid having a recognizable scum or town meta. That way people can't just go "ah, he is X in this game". You trying to describe how you would "never do X as scum" in a game kinda sounds like something scum would say TBH.

Unless you're going to argue that we should lynch outside of you/Menalque today then it's kinda a given that i'll have to choose to believe one of you.

Ok cool, i'm not going to spend my entire day arguing with you.
I choose to believe Menalque over you and i find your push super weird and scummy.
VOTE: RC

Also I don't think scum RC would say "treat me as confirmed scum if this flips town" because he knows people will actually listen to that compared to other people saying the same.

That's what he wants you to think.

I doubt that anyone here necessarily has the willpower to go toe-to-toe with him tomorrow where he’s conf!scummed after my lynch and I’m worried that he’ll wriggle out of it somehow

@RC
Sorry to say, but i'm not scum. I just never particularly scumread Menalque so i don't see why i should do it now.

this really obviously isn't a town's progression on my slot lol. this is someone who because scumbuddy needs to defend Menalque. there's 0 substance to their SR on me. completely devoid of meaningful statements.

[RadiantCowbells]

I've realised that this game is literally no-lose for me from a personal standpoint. I did everything I could to help town see the two openwolves. Doing that while in a 2v1 was a struggle and I think it's perfectly reasonable I lost. I think if the roles were reversed then even against you I'd have a p good chance of winning.

Hopefully town remember to actually lynch you and cirno after I flip, although not super optimistic. But fmpvo either I've nailed the scumteam or this loss is entirely your fault in the 5/100 worlds where you might be town.

and posts like this, like

he's not at all bothered to try to tell you guys to fking lynch me after he dies. townies in this situation are usually screaming from the rooftop to kill me after they flip town.
this is the reaction of someone who knows that there is no future lynches on me, there's no increased win equity to be gained by arguing about post flip, because he's flipping scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

and suji feels like town. joey feels like town. gif feels like town. gl idk but i'm not sure he's scum especially compared to the scum slots.

let's do this!!

[RadiantCowbells]

I've even given you the plan

Relying on townreads shared by Joey who no one SRs and Suji who can townblock later

For how to play around a townflip and win regardless of whether I'm town or scum.

Either Cirno is my buddy and that's easy to play around after i'm massively discredited by this flip or he's not and my slot was in fact obvtown

Oh

VOTE: Menalque

[RadiantCowbells]

Like he's obvscum

But even if you hesitate on that there's a clear path to endgame regardless of my alignment if this flips town.

Notably it won't.

But there's no reason not to lynch Menalque today for the reasons I've explained to death. He's playing to survive my mislynch and make endgame. I'm playing to ensure that no matter what town wins versus him. Joey can remind y'all I could be lynching anyone today. I've chosen to go after the slot whose townflip hurts me because I need to be sure that I can't be lynched at a point where my townflip doesn't scumfirm Menalque. He quotes a game where he says I'm doing exactly what I'm doing here but calls me scum anyway. He selectively read two days of Baton Pass and ignored all the meta on me and continues to refuse to go back and see the meta on me that players who townread me from Day 1 believed in. He's not town, he's not sorting me honestly, he called Creature scum when he pushed on him and is calling me scum for the same reason. Any sort of measured read need not apply because if he acknowledges that I'm town he has nothing to stop me from lynching him. Just remember: it's always easier to mislynch me than to trick me into townreading you, and Menalque started with all the advantages in this day phase. His associatives with flipped scum are Garbo as I've already attested.

If you as town end up voting me, you're not voting me because you SR me over him. I don't believe for a minute that the ever happens. You're voting me because you want to scumread me in the face of your read on me and in the face of simple logic.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ur pk vote is still in play and you removed the Suji one

[RadiantCowbells]

Never ever lynch in Norway/GL after this if you’re town

Always lynch whoever is in the pool tomorrow out of RC/joey/cirno, lynch RC in 5p lylo

This mislynch doesn’t go through without both scum on me

There is very probably scum in joey/suji as that’s the “townbloc” RC is pushing for end game

So...

Why is Norway town when his posting is objectively bad
What exactly has GL done to earn your townread

What happened to the Joey/Menalque townblock you believed in
For.that matter your entire case is that I must lynch you because townblock etc etc: if Joey's scum your entire case against me makes even less sense

If I'm the GoAT scum player why can't I lynch you with only one scum on the wagon

What did Joey do to stop being towny? How are you scumreading Suji who has been really obvious town?

If you think Cirno is town now, why aren't you reconsidering whether Awoo slot was in fact obvtown

This is all very nice posture but it doesn't really make sense from the pov of town trying to solve the game

[RadiantCowbells]

Also look @ the shallowness of the reads

My locktown block gets thrown away when ppl vote me

Also if anything my townblock gets relooked at after his town flip, why wouldn't I be trying to discredit UTRs by calling them my townblock

What I'm saying is Menalque is saying a lot of things but his thought processes are exceedingly over simplistic, he's refusing to consider things that don't support the narrative he wants to push, and his SR on me makes even less sense now that he's abandoned 100% surety in DrCirno scum and both of us are faking the Awoo obvtown thing.

It took a ton of promoting from me for him to even bother to start arguing for what happens after he flips so...

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean it's straight up a scumpost and I don't think it points to either alignment Menalque specifically

[RadiantCowbells]

I think that's a little oversimplifying

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean I think he's scum too I just don't think Menalque is town

And man I don't want to go through another day of this

If Menalque is town he's been holding his fingers in his ears screaming lalalala I can't hear you since I replaced into the game and reading me in super bad faith

Like he is abjectly, openly refusing to consider evidence that I'm town. He hasn't given a single reason for anything since I repped in, just forming shallow ass reads that scumread people who are going after him. Then to go from that to "you shouldn't sheep RC?" No he really brought this on himself and like the whole "if Menalque flips scum bit" of norways post definitely points to scum menalque.

[RadiantCowbells]

My entire case has held your refusing to consider evidence that I'm town as one of the strongest points against you given it serves a clear scum agenda of making sure you get to endgame.

This is nothing new that I'm saying.

[RadiantCowbells]

You're no longer scumreading DrCirno but you're still ignoring the fact that he replacing into the game at the same-ish time as me said my slot was unimpeachably obvious town and that yours wasn't: calling us both scum to discredit that was a smart move. But now that you're no longer able to hide behind that, two independent people replace into two slots and both agree my slot is obvtown and our opinions vary on whether you're null or scummy.

You don't say that one of them must be scum when we both had a similar ish view of the game.

Everyone here knows that awoo was never obvtown but they’ve forgotten because of you insisting he was for the last ~30 pages. Pretty much everyone here knew that I was obvtown until you came in and shouted about how I wasn’t non-stop for the last ~30 pages.

Appeal to population doesn't really make sense here.

[RadiantCowbells]

In fact, this exact same thing happened in this game too.
RC was town.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=79373

Note that Buki was in fact scum
Despite your hard TR on her

[RadiantCowbells]

I’m potentially scumreading everyone on my wagon because there’s no way it’s coming from town?

At least 1 person on your wagon is town.

If at least 1 person on your wagon can be town, everyone can be town really. And the fact that you've completely ignored Norway scum posting his ass off for the entire day phase to hide behind these lines in the sand doesn't make me think you're town.

[RadiantCowbells]

regardless of how good you are at scum. If you do, you’re even better than I thought.

This is just so dumb lol

[RadiantCowbells]

Menalque keeps creating these lines in the sand to allow him to interact with an oversimplified view of the game rather than actually engage the game in good faith.

[RadiantCowbells]

This is all just cirno and RC trying to set up for after my green flip btw. Ffs if you’re town don’t forget what I said.

lololololololol

[RadiantCowbells]

Like

He doesn't have to comment on NEE scumposting because he's DECIDED there must be only town voting me.

Doesn't have to comment on the towniness of either player in my slot because he's DECIDED my push on him is evidence enough that I'm scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

ooooooo

[RadiantCowbells]

See, the funny thing is cirno that in any world where you’re town RC is so busy setting you up and you can’t even see it

The simpler explanation is that you’re just scum together though

He's doing this so that he can appeal to DrCirno to unvote him without having to actually acknowledge his point that my predecessor was obviously town

Also note that Menalque wasn't doing any of the playing for after his flip stuff until I called him out on it's absence

[RadiantCowbells]

Wheeeee

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean

U said before I started pushing you that it was inevitable that you'd get lynched if I went after you and shit.

Could it be that was merely posturing to try to get townread??

[RadiantCowbells]

It's not even playing defensively

Reminding everyone to kill me if you go down doesn't make it easier to lynch you, it's just covering your bases. You just didn't bother because even now it's not about getting me lynched after it's about looking town.

[RadiantCowbells]

It’s entirely about the fact that after I flip town should literally interact as if you’re not in the game anymore because you’re obviously fucking scum and everything you will be doing will just be anti-town

This isn't a post town makes but it's hard for me to actually explain why the structure is scummy :v

[RadiantCowbells]

Also I was more talking about Day 1.

Oh fuck off I lynched scum every other day

[RadiantCowbells]

Pls don't be a sucker for ate

[RadiantCowbells]

Everyone called me/Shoshin tvt she was still scum

He's interacted with the thread so dishonestly

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I'm just going to speedvote him in lylo. This is happening.

[RadiantCowbells]

Jesus Christ dudes

[RadiantCowbells]

I have a guilty on him vote him

[RadiantCowbells]

Fosing me over appealing to me is a town move imo

NO ITS NOT JESUS CHRIST

[RadiantCowbells]

Man I just had to go through this shit with Shoshin

I am fed up to fuck don't townread him for not towny AtE when he's clearly playing to a scum win condition

[RadiantCowbells]

Like if we don't lynch him I intentionally vote for town the next two days so that we get to lylo and I can vote him and force the 1v1.

[RadiantCowbells]

Is that what I have to do here to get scum lynched

[RadiantCowbells]

Obviously?

[RadiantCowbells]

That's a very standard town RC post Menalque is just mad because I'm not going to listen to bad town this game

[RadiantCowbells]

You're all really bad tbh

[RadiantCowbells]

I have gone 6 years declaring cop guilties on people and I was only wrong once when I was very drunk. When you say that he's town, you're saying that despite that legacy of correct sure scumreads your reads are still better than mine. If you're saying that, then there's something wrong with your ego.

[RadiantCowbells]

The fact is that RC entered with a bullshit push on me because he needs to try and eliminate me. I don’t think he thought I would make his life this difficult but he has no other option but to keep going because at this point his best defence is “I got emotional and tunnelled on menalque, but I’m still town lol”

This is also really obvious scumposting btw

[RadiantCowbells]

I have gone 6 years declaring cop guilties on people and I was only wrong once when I was very drunk. When you say that he's town, you're saying that despite that legacy of correct sure scumreads your reads are still better than mine. If you're saying that, then there's something wrong with your ego.

Just gonna repeat this.

[RadiantCowbells]

I enjoy scumhunting

But convincing bad players to lynch non-LHF scum is complete aids.

And it really makes mafia not fun.

[RadiantCowbells]

Whereas RC has been fundamentally dishonest and manipulative about his “emotions” every time he’s displayed them in thread

This doesn't mean anything

[RadiantCowbells]

Everything he’s doing is trying to subconsciously make you accept that he’s town even while his demonstrable actions are not town and do not come from a town place

Town never makes this post etc.

[RadiantCowbells]

I have pneumonia I don't have the mental energy to convince you all to stop gamethrowing but make no mistake you guys are gamethrowing.

Yes, it does. It means every time you’ve been putting on emotion it’s you faking it. Whereas I’ve actually been up and down through this and it shows.

lol

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok bud

[RadiantCowbells]

You're still scum for the same reasons you were yesterday.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like if my case on you had changed from yesterday to today that would actually be kinda worrying!

But as it happena the same stuff that made you scum yesterday still makes you scum today because your role PM didn't change

Whoda thought ir

[RadiantCowbells]

Sorry like

I have all this gravitas or whatever from reputation and consistent correctness and I can push reads easier than most people and I still can't get obviously scum Shoshin or Menalque lynched like

How is some random player supposed to win this from my slot even with perfect reads? How is half this game so pro scum for this game to be unwinnable

[RadiantCowbells]

Look at how his narrative around what I’ve been doing has changed depending on what he thinks he needs to say to get me lynched. At first I’m incredibly obvious scum, who’s been calculatedly trying to manoeuvre myself into endgame. But by the time I was actually looking like I was a plausible mislynch the narrative was being shifted to me being overly emotional and ignoring everything town about him I.e. a tacit acknowledgement of the town flip that was gonna come from me, and born out of RC’s need to be able to explain my read on him as other than “good” or “based on his play” so that he can try to get you to ignore it later.

When did I say that Menalque was overly emotional ever

Everything else is true

You are obviously scum

You obviously were making plays to survive my ML instead of commitment to the 1v1

[RadiantCowbells]

Town!RC doesn’t need to try and sell the idea I was unreasonable around him if he honestly thinks I’m scum. Scum!RC absolutely does need to do so to try and sell the idea that we should ignore everything I’m saying after I townflip.

That’s not very in line with his earlier “I’m obviously getting mislynched if I am wrong” position from earlier, and the reason is that scum him CAN’T maintain that position because it’s losing.

I literally set up a game plan for town to win if you flip town without relying on me. You kept discrediting my scumread by bringing up the Oh Lynch and have abjectly refused to townread anyone enough to assign them the backup townblock.

You're calling me scum for something that I didn't do but that you did and I already called you scum for.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah you are

Just because a bunch of bad players townread you doesn't mean that you're a good scum player

[RadiantCowbells]

And it’s obvious that today you were trying to walk back that you always needed to be lynched after I flipped green once it looked more likely that I was on the verge of going through

Never did this.

I did say that I should be the 3/4 way lynch repeatedly.

I gave town a townblock to work with outside of me.

Menalque is conflating me pointing out that his logic didnt make sense at all with me trying to survive even though that's openly what he was trying to do and I literally gave Joey a game plan for post flip

[RadiantCowbells]

I called you scum because, again, I don’t think there’s basically anyway that after having seen this much material from me you could be sincere in scumreading me. I don’t think you’re that bad as town. If I’ve overestimated your abilities, I’ll remember it for next time.

If I'm this good you all should be listening to me btw

[RadiantCowbells]

I find it kind of sad and pathetic that when I said that I had pneumonia it energized you to fight back harder because you knew I wasn't at full strength.

[RadiantCowbells]

Town!RC doesn’t need to try and sell the idea I was unreasonable around him if he honestly thinks I’m scum. Scum!RC absolutely does need to do so to try and sell the idea that we should ignore everything I’m saying after I townflip.

That’s not very in line with his earlier “I’m obviously getting mislynched if I am wrong” position from earlier, and the reason is that scum him CAN’T maintain that position because it’s losing.

I literally set up a game plan for town to win if you flip town without relying on me. You kept discrediting my scumread by bringing up the Oh Lynch and have abjectly refused to townread anyone enough to assign them the backup townblock.

You're calling me scum for something that I didn't do but that you did and I already called you scum for.

I don’t trust anything you set up for shit because you’re scum and obviously setting something up for the case where you can’t get enough distance off my mislynch to mislynch someone else in 5p ftw.

Then make your own townblock. And not of people not voting you.

But that would require the gamestate of after you flip to be relevant in your mind, but it isn't

[RadiantCowbells]

You've objectively put more actual engagement into this since I said that than you did in the rest of the day phase

[RadiantCowbells]

Like he is abjectly, openly refusing to consider evidence that I'm town. He hasn't given a single reason for anything since I repped in, just forming shallow ass reads that scumread people who are going after him. Then to go from that to "you shouldn't sheep RC?" No he really brought this on himself and like the whole "if Menalque flips scum bit" of norways post definitely points to scum menalque.

except I didn't try to argue it for getting out of a lynch. i brought it up to point out that you're not town.
and even if I did, you're still calling me scum for doing the exact same thing that you've been doing this entire day phase in terms of trying to worm your way out of responsibility for my flip.
i expect to be held responsible in game for you "flipping town" if it happened. i made the game plan to play around that that gives town the game regardless of my alignment.

That’s a lie and anyone can check it.

It's really not.

[RadiantCowbells]

sorry like I can't say that you "didn't create a townblock" anymore but your "townblock" is literally the two people who haven't voted you or expressed intent to vote you. that's the most shallow basic reasoning of all time.
you've created these really stupid heuristics to justify creating all these extremely shallow reads but the fact is that your reads today have all been level 0 reads that only make sense in the context of not making enemies.

What is there to discredit your SR on RC
When literally nobody else but you and NEE are scumreading RC and haven't changed their stance ever since I replaced in at least

[RadiantCowbells]

like saying that your reads are stupid and don't make sense as town but make complete sense in the context of scum play isn't trying to worm my way out of responsibility.
you bringing up a game where I tunneled town apparently EXACTLY like this (and then scumreading me in spite of it) and making all these dumb posts about how it's the great RCs fault for daring to scumread u absolutely is trying to duck responsibility

[RadiantCowbells]

That’s bullshit and you know it.

thats bs and you know it

Wisdom,

Mafia Goon

[RadiantCowbells]

btw when I screwed around with making an Ellibereth style program in C to look for scum i was mostly looking for phrases and posts that scum are significantly more likely to make as town
that specific sentence is one of the most scum indicative sentences that anyone can make in mafia.

[RadiantCowbells]

doesn't have to be bs/bullshit. that's x and you know it almost always comes from scum. not sure why historically, but it's definitely a thing.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think I’ve been towny enough (HEY EVERYONE, REMEMBER WHEN I SAID YESTERDAY THAT IF ANY OF YOU HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE IDEA OF JOEY AND I ENDGAMING TOGETHER YOU SHOULD SAY AND NONE OF YOU DID BECAUSE YOU ALL HARD TOWNREAD ME? MAYBE REMEMBER THE REASONS FOR THAT NOW) that you cannot get 3 town onto me. That means that in a 4-3 wagon of me vs you, all the scum have to be on me. That conf!towns anyone not on my wagon.

you realize that the fact that no one contested you guys is more evidence that one of you is scum (scum don't have to contest you) than it is anything else?

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh wow I used the same phrase as scum when that’s a common phrase? Shocker.

And an unverifiable program you made suggests it’s more common from scum? I’ll be damned.

This isn't my first reference to the tell.

[RadiantCowbells]

Because in a world where we are both town scum do have to contest it before we hit scum or it’s gg

Yeah, they do. And yet no one contested you as obvtown at that point whereas when two of the best town players on the site replace in we both end up voting you

funny how that happens

[RadiantCowbells]

I notice you swung back to it MUST Be drcirno for second scum as soon as you realized that if you didn't hard scumread him you'd have to take him seriously saying that Awoo was obvtown

[RadiantCowbells]

Which is another part of why your entrance that was specifically focused on disrupting me/joey entirely makes sense from scum!you if you’re in there with cirno who was quite likely to be lynched and whose scum!flip would have literally made me unlynchable

Meaning you had to strike here or it was gg

No, I didn't.

I needed to strike you in 5 way where I can't be policy lynched for mislynching you.

[RadiantCowbells]

I’ve been saying that cirno is your most likely partner for about 20 pages

actually you temporarily backed off on that to say that there had to be scum in Joey Bowie and Suji
but then when I pointed out that if you're no longer scumreading DrCirno you should be engaging with him on why Awoo was in fact obvtown, you went back to DrCirno must be 100% scum

Untrue and I think the reason you did it here is so you could make this argument

Also cirno!scumflip conf!towned me so if you thought I was gonna get that through you had to act now

but... joey literally agreed to lynch anyone with me. i coulda lynched norway. i coulda lynched GL. I probably could have lynched Suji if I really wanted to, but that one is sketchy.
and why do that so i can make this argument instead of not having to make this argument because after you flip the game is over and i've already won?

[RadiantCowbells]

and btw this is like the fourth time i've brought up the "thats bs and you know it" thing across many different games and i've referenced the existence of my version of the tool many times as well

besides none of this matters if i'm scum, no?