Micro 960: A Year of Miccros II - Game Over

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

mechanically speaking does it make sense to have a bg, a bomb, and a FN vs 2 scum one of which can bypass our abilities in a 9P ?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the mark mechanic is.... really interesting, and i'm actually lowkey indifferent as to whether there's a meaningful balancing diff between {bg, bomb, fn, names townies} vs. {bg, fn, names townies}.

I'm really struggling with whether FN/Bomb/BG makes more or less sense than FN/Bomb since the scum have a MFD role - I don't see how you are indifferent about this balance question.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

well if the scum have a MFD and they dont know why they have a MFD then it would make sense the scum want to mass claim no?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

actually it makes koba being scum more likely if they had a mfd ability because he would make a spreadsheet to figure out which tprs interact with a MFD

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i thought it was AI for them being town in the beginning

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

effort doesnt equal alignment but a scum will cruise if the town is on the wrong track

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you're town and i'm town who r the scum?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why would raven try so hard to save me if she is a baddie?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do you think the p value of me being town is 0?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its wierd to me why you have the p value so low ngl

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

are you trying to convince me you're town and ... i'm scum?

how do u read that out of my posts this page

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

dsj flips scum -> we can probably just kill you/raven and be happy

dsj flips town -> something is rotten in the state of denmark. is it datisi? is it tw? who knows, really, we get to have a real fun and by fun I mean not fun lylo to figure that one out.

i think its really hilarious that where SS ended up was:

dsj flips town -> LETS STILL LYNCH POOKY/RAVEN

0 progression at all

so full of shit

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

happy scumday dsj

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't know how you can possibly read that and think it's a deathtunnel. I literally listed five of the six living players as possible scum.

how is this not a death tunnel

you didn't give a flying fuck about DSJ's flip, you proceeded to go to lynch Pooky/Raven even tho dsj flipped town instead of trying to figure out who is rotten.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so are you going to admit you're in a 0 effort death tunnel and it looks shady af?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

at least datisi put some emotion in his death-tunnel you're not even trying

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we definitely need dsjstr's flip to make sense of anything

please elaborate

Dsj flips scum ->??

Dsj flips town ->??

this is what I asked you when you were pushing for a dsj lynch to "make sense of things"

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

dsj flips scum -> we can probably just kill you/raven and be happy

dsj flips town -> something is rotten in the state of denmark. is it datisi? is it tw? who knows, really, we get to have a real fun and by fun I mean not fun lylo to figure that one out.

this is your response

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

notice how we are at dsj flips town - but instead of doing what you promised to do - you have defaulted to "let's just lynch pooky/raven" which means your answer at the time was basically full of shit and you were pushing a dsj lynch on bad faith to begin with

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like your play this game has been so lazy and sloppy that you have managed to melt away any goodwill/town-iness that Koba built up and your default response seems to be "WELL LOOK AT HOW TOWNY KOBA WAS"

GUESS WHAT KOBA ISNT FUCKING PLAYING THIS GAME ANYMORE YOU ARE

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like I am sick to death of you skating by on whatever town-play koba did and just putting absolutely 0 effort into this.

I'd be ok losing to Datisi-scum cuz at least he put all sorts of emotion into his death-tunnel on me but I can't really accept losing to you because you've put almost 0 effort into this game and are skating by without even voting and its just dumb

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

meanwhile you're literally using bugspray's contributions to sort raven...

no we're using bugspray to show why bugspray/pooky can't be scum together. it's not the same fucking thing as saying ooh this guy played really townie on half of day 1 so whatever he does the rest of the game doesn't matter.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if someone plays really townie for half a day that doesn't mean it lasts for the rest of the game - you have to keep playing townie to look townie

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

because he has absolute confidence in his solve and he doesn't even care about the possibility he could be wrong

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we definitely need dsjstr's flip to make sense of anything

please elaborate

Dsj flips scum ->??

Dsj flips town ->??

like this was what he said about Dsj - he says he needs the information from DSJ's flip to "make sense of anything" I ask him for specifics and he basically put down some random nonsense that he didn't really think out:

dsj flips scum -> we can probably just kill you/raven and be happy

dsj flips town -> something is rotten in the state of denmark. is it datisi? is it tw? who knows, really, we get to have a real fun and by fun I mean not fun lylo to figure that one out.

Now DSJ has flipped town - does SS do what he promised to do? Nope he just goes straight to scenario 1: Let's kill Pooky/Raven.(which is what he wanted to do if dsj flipped scum)

So how the hell could SS need DSJ's flip info to "figure things out" IF HIS PLAN REGARDLESS OF DSJ FLIP WAS ALWAYS TO LYNCH POOKY/RAVEN?

He didn't NEED INFO AT ALL. HE'S NOT EVEN PRETENDING TO SOLVE THE GAME.

Does that sound like a player "figuring things out" or a scum checking easy low hanging fruit off his "to lynch list" for an easy win? LIKE I DONT KNOW HOW MUCH MORE OBVIOUS SS-SCUM HAS TO GET FOR YOU GUYS TO WAKE THE !@#$ UP

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like a lot of times scum will put down some bullshit like "we need this ___ lynch for information" or "we need this ___ flip to figure things out" but when you press them for exactly information what the flip/lynch would create in either scenario - they don't have anything because what they were really doing is just pushing a mislynch and they didn't think that far ahead to have actual plan depending on the flip info so they just make up some bullshit. Then when the actual information comes in they play completely differently because they

never

believed that bullshit reasoning they put down in the first place.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if someone plays really townie for half a day that doesn't mean it lasts for the rest of the game - you have to keep playing townie to look townie

no???

the definition of towny is above average likelihood to be town. if someone plays above average likelihood to be town for a bit, and then plays average likelihood to be town... they are still above average likelihood to be town, albeit less so.

If someone plays EXTREMELY above average likelihood to be town, even for a very short duration, they will still be extremely above average likelihood to be town for the whole game, unless they do something extremely below average likelihood to be town. I can demonstrate the math here, if you actually care.

so you're saying if someone does something super townie early in the game, and then later they do scummy things, those scummy things won't affect the probability of them being town?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

no never mind i misread that

my point is that your scummy behavior has washed away by far any positive things koba has done in his 3 days here- you've been playing for 20 days - koba only played for 3 days

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

r u just pretending to be unable to read my posts?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we definitely need dsjstr's flip to make sense of anything

please elaborate

Dsj flips scum ->??

Dsj flips town ->??

like this was what he said about Dsj - he says he needs the information from DSJ's flip to "make sense of anything" I ask him for specifics and he basically put down some random nonsense that he didn't really think out:

dsj flips scum -> we can probably just kill you/raven and be happy

dsj flips town -> something is rotten in the state of denmark. is it datisi? is it tw? who knows, really, we get to have a real fun and by fun I mean not fun lylo to figure that one out.

Now DSJ has flipped town - does SS do what he promised to do? Nope he just goes straight to scenario 1: Let's kill Pooky/Raven.(which is what he wanted to do if dsj flipped scum)

So how the hell could SS need DSJ's flip info to "figure things out" IF HIS PLAN REGARDLESS OF DSJ FLIP WAS ALWAYS TO LYNCH POOKY/RAVEN?

He didn't NEED INFO AT ALL. HE'S NOT EVEN PRETENDING TO SOLVE THE GAME.

Does that sound like a player "figuring things out" or a scum checking easy low hanging fruit off his "to lynch list" for an easy win? LIKE I DONT KNOW HOW MUCH MORE OBVIOUS SS-SCUM HAS TO GET FOR YOU GUYS TO WAKE THE !@#$ UP

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like a lot of times scum will put down some bullshit like "we need this ___ lynch for information" or "we need this ___ flip to figure things out" but when you press them for exactly information what the flip/lynch would create in either scenario - they don't have anything because what they were really doing is just pushing a mislynch and they didn't think that far ahead to have actual plan depending on the flip info so they just make up some bullshit. Then when the actual information comes in they play completely differently because they

never

believed that bullshit reasoning they put down in the first place.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

because he has absolute confidence in his solve and he doesn't even care about the possibility he could be wrong

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

how did you use the information from DSJ flipping town?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you're literally not even considering any other scumteam than Pooky/Raven

even tho you kind of said that if DSJ flips town you would be looking elsewhere

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

dsj flips scum -> we can probably just kill you/raven and be happy

dsj flips town -> something is rotten in the state of denmark. is it datisi? is it tw? who knows, really, we get to have a real fun and by fun I mean not fun lylo to figure that one out.

like this post literally says

if DSJ flips scum - > we need to lynch Pooky/Raven


if DSJ flips town -> we are wrong about something in this game and we need to go back and figure it out - maybe dats - maybe tw

Now instead of doing the "figure something out" part- you've gone back to "we need to lynch Pooky/Raven"

Which means your response was full of shit to begin with

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

how did you use the information from DSJ flipping town?

I didn't.

so why would you say you need the information from DSJ flip to figure things out if you don't even use the information !?

like you are just making shit up as you go along because you don't care about solving the game, it's just about coasting to the next mislynch for you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

besides, are you in my mind? how do you know what I'm considering?

This goes back to 4417. In lylo, it is optimal to locate the highest likelihood scumteam and stick with it. It doesn't mean you think other teams are impossible, it just means you're taking the play with what you believe is the highest probability of success.

I have stated at length that I think you/Raven is the most likely team and also that I think that the case for you and Raven being scum is pretty obvious and clear. That doesn't mean the case is 100%, even from my point of view, only that it is there and it is compelling. You are putting words in my mouth.

ok make the case for Pooky/Raven

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Speaking in unison actually works against your case - I usually tell my scumpartner to straight up bus me while I distract and fuck with the town - look at what Aldus did in coalition. There's literally no way I tell my scumbuddy hey go all in on protecting me I need it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

(neither of you were remotely tunneled on me before today)

this is a lie, I went against you yesterday

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Meanwhile I have basically sat here and taken it, trying to deflect and break down your arguments while engaging the people I trust and trying to get on the same page as them (and get them on the same page as each other). I haven't really presented any arguments of my own, because I don't necessarily think that what I can produce is more meaningful than what they can produce, and whatever case they make will certainly be more meaningful to them.

of course you would take it - there's no need for you to respond unless there's a chance you will lose this - as long as the prevailing town sentiment is on your side - scum-SS doesn't have to actually engage me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I wouldn't expect you to play the same way every game. Do you?

I'm pretty sure I've never had a scum partner defend me ever in my entire history of playing this game much less defend me to the extent Raven has.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what's your definition of tunneled?

I literally told the town they should lynch me and here's three possible ways night could play out and who would be the scum in each scenario - every scenario had you as scum - I'm not sure how much more clearly I had to say I believe SS to be scum.

In fact you can't even find me expressing absolute suspicion on anyone else yesterday

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

of course you would take it - there's no need for you to respond unless there's a chance you will lose this - as long as the prevailing town sentiment is on your side - scum-SS doesn't have to actually engage me

There's always a chance I'll lose it.

you don't have a reason to engage unless you thought you were losing it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I didn't argue you were likely to be scum yesterday?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

but as town you wouldn't feel motivated to tip the scales?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

deadass my biggest fear rn is us executing dsjstr, him flipping scum, pooky making up some arguments about "oh i was right on the game state dsj was actually scum" and y'all believe him and town ends up losing

pedit: skitt no this isn't the scum PT

im actually pretty worried dsj is town here

Then who is scum, then?

lets say i am lynched today.

assuming tw dies in the night and flips bg and someone else confirms skitter as FM tommorrow, then I think the scum would be SS/Raven in the endgame.

if tw doesnt die and skitter dies- I think there is a strong chance tw/SS are the scum.

if datisi dies and tw lives - I also think it would be tw/SS as scum but this is the hardest scenario imo.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what no that's after I get lynched today

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

lets say i am lynched today.

that's me offering ME to get lynched on DAY 2 and saying that you guys need to get SS tommorrow (D3)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

but as town you wouldn't feel motivated to tip the scales?

nope. I'll answer any questions skitter wants, but otherwise I'll let her do her own thing because I believe she's competent enough to come to the correct conclusion.

so basically you will coast because you think skitter is leaning towards voting Pooky out and you want to do your best not to rock the boat by pretending you aren't even here.

Scum-Lurker tactic - let the town hang themselves

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Oh, that's weird then. If those were just your reads full stop, then wouldn't you be very confident dsjstr was town, rather than "pretty worried" he was town?

if I wasn't very confident dsj was town I wouldn't have offered myself up to get lynched in place of him.

I felt you saying that you wanted dsj to get killed was very much like a scum pushing a lowhanging fruit lynch without really thinking about the solve

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so basically you will coast because you think skitter is leaning towards voting Pooky out and you want to do your best not to rock the boat by pretending you aren't even here.

Scum-Lurker tactic - let the town hang themselves

Yes. Also Town-Lurker tactic - let the town hang the scum.

um I dunno if you've noticed but we haven't hung any scum so I'm not sure where you get the idea it's ok to "town-lurk"

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

only if you had absolute confidence in your scumreads being correct - something which you adamantly deny being the case.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

because if you're not sure of your scumreads - you'd want to engage them in conversation and try to figure out if your scumread is accurate or not. You've basically coasted this entire game because I don't think you particularly care about solving it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

but I just feel the complete lack of resistance to a Pooky wagon is concerning and it ought to be to you as well.

its the same complete lack of resistance to aldus and dsj wagons. its really dumb how un self-aware the town is this game.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

a complete lack of resistance to a pooky wagon... are we reading the same game?

literally everyone except raven is leaning towards executing me today but dont let that stop your narrative fantasy

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its legit making me sad how much effort raven is putting into this and you guys r just being dicks

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Fmpov, if I am the only possibility for Pooky!scum and I know we’re not buddies, why wouldn’t it make sense that I’m not convinced he’s scum?

do you think s_s/pooky is a viable scumteam, yes or no?

r u serious.

1. Koba put me at L-1 on d1
2. I am trying to get SS lynched today
3. SS asked the mod the question that confirmed I was lying about being a vig
4. I literally tried to get lynched in place of Dsj-town yesterday and accuse SS with my dying breath of being scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thinking someone could be scum and discussing it with them is apparently being a dick now i guess...

I am talking about your actions in regards to Raven. i think you can clearly see how much she cares and its unlikely shes scum here.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i would definitely nom her for a scummy if raven is scum here but she just isnt.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like there is this arrogant feeling of not giving a fuck that i get from tw/dats/ss. its this smug feeling thats quite mean - you know you're gonna get the scum-win cuz you got enough of this town snowed. 2 of you are scum and 1 of you is the patsy and im not 100% sure which one is the patsy because tho I lean towards it being datisi - I feel you are more aware of what you are doing then you are letting on.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thinking someone could be scum and discussing it with them is apparently being a dick now i guess...

I am talking about your actions in regards to Raven. i think you can clearly see how much she cares and its unlikely shes scum here.

she cares? ok and so? do i not care about this game? yu think i'm just trolling the entire game because lol?? (actually considering your comments this game if you're town you probably do believe that but...) am i a dick now for daring to suspect the oh so holy raven might not be town?

no you dont care about this game cuz uve literally been in a deathtunnel for the entire game despite the metric ton of evidence against it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Fmpov, if I am the only possibility for Pooky!scum and I know we’re not buddies, why wouldn’t it make sense that I’m not convinced he’s scum?

do you think s_s/pooky is a viable scumteam, yes or no?

r u serious.

1. Koba put me at L-1 on d1
2. I am trying to get SS lynched today
3. SS asked the mod the question that confirmed I was lying about being a vig
4. I literally tried to get lynched in place of Dsj-town yesterday and accuse SS with my dying breath of being scum

sigh.

like i think i've made it abundantly clear that (1) my current guess is raven/pooky not s_s/pooky and i don't see the reason you're taking that post to mean that i've changed my opinion about the solve and (2) that is clearly a question that's supposed to help me see raven's pov so i don't see why you're butting in like this and s i g h

oh good so you're just going to admit your response to raven was in bad faith and you are just trying to keep her from having an AI meltdown before the game ends when I get mislynched.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

cuz if raven continues her AI meltdown over this ridiculous raven/pooky team maybe skitter might change her mind on me and you cant have that.

do you even care about the truth dats or are you just pushing another Mislynch because you only need one more to win?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm sorry if I've come off as arrogant, though it's weird to levy an accusation of arrogance and apathy at the same time.

I don't ever mean to suggest that my point of view is automatically the best and right. Everything I say is naturally filtered through my point of view, there's no reason to preface everything with "I believe..." or "In my opinion..."

arrogant dicks usually dont give a fuck what the other people think so they look apathetic. thats why every time I talk with you i feel you are not engaging in good faith and just using bumblefuck logic.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

no because your goal with that question is to get her to stop melting down and imply that you will consider a team other than raven/pooky basically saying hey I will not lynch you tommorrow just help me lynch pooky first. its patronizing and insulting because you know she thinks there wont be a fucking tommorrow if get lynched now.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea u care so much about the game that you've been stuck in the same deathtunnel you put yourself in during the first day of the game. real good play dats. A+

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

no because your goal with that question is to get her to stop melting down and imply that you will consider a team other than raven/pooky basically saying hey I will not lynch you tommorrow just help me lynch pooky first. its patronizing and insulting because you know she thinks there wont be a fucking tommorrow if get lynched now.

"deciding to present someone as scum, taking any of their posts, twisting it to make it scum by any moonlogic imaginable, presenting it as a cold hard fact"

explain

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

who the fuck am i presenting as scum in that post? what am i twisting?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

4573 doesn't say you are scum - it says you are trying to stop her meltdown with some patronizing bad faith bullshit

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm echoing the case i made on you yesterday saying you did the same shit to aldus

oh yea? you voted for aldus and dsj too so if anything I have a better fucking track record of calling town vs scum then you this game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

because towntisi cares more about execing pooky than anything else in this game because he is dead convinced pooky is town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

typo there the last word should be scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

oh good so you're just going to admit your response to raven was in bad faith and you are just trying to keep her from having an AI meltdown before the game ends when I get mislynched.

apparently "hey i don't think this Thing is the case and i think the person i'm talking to is scum but i'm going to ask their point of view on Thing to see if i'm maybe going wrong somewhere" is bad faith because fuck me i guess

he literally admits it in this post Raven

he's just an asshole

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its ironic cuz the whole datisi/pooky fight started off with datisi townreading bugspray and now we've full 360'd to datisi locking pooky/raven as the scumteam

W I L D

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what fucking narrative? I treated your post like it was real and made 4 points why SS/me doesnt make sense and you came back with " oh i was just making shit up to see raven's reaction i dont really believe this"

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you don't see why being an ass to her when she's pouring her soul into the game is insulting and patronizing? I'm guessing because it's cuz you've never cared about a game half as much as she does about this one right now.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

SO IF I MYSELF DON'T THINK S_S/POOKY ARE THE SCUMTEAM, AND IF I THEN QUESTION SOMEONE ELSE ABOUT IT, I'M PATRONIZING THEM????? THAT'S THE FUCKING NARRATIVE HOLY FUCKING SHIT

are you really that incapable of seeing things from her POV?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Let me get your story straight then Datisi


So you think SS/Pooky can't be the scum-team

So you ask Raven - someone who thinks Pooky is TOWN to make the case why SS/Pooky is the scum-team in order to change your mind?

I don't find that believable in the slightest.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i honestly feel like dats/tw/ss have been doing that to me the entire day so far and I just got so mad when I saw him doing that shit to you too

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like they already decided that you're going to be the execution but we're going to play with you for a bit to fuck around with you while we laugh about how we're going to kill you anyway no matter how much effort you put into it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like i really feel I don't deserve you this game, you've been so good to me and i've been so shit and useless and it just breaks my heart seeing that asshole dats do the same shit routine to you too

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@Pooky do you honestly believe Dats is/would do that to me, because if not you shouldn’t say those things, they just hurt too much,

like honestly at this point I'm not even sure who in tw/ss/dats is the 2 scum and which one is the patsy they all sound the same in that arrogant fucking "convince me" tone when they're all lock step together and won't change their minds. I'm sure after the game the patsy will congragulate the 2 scum for being oooh so convincing and playing so well when its all fucking bullshit and they never gave us a chance

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@Pooky do you honestly believe Dats is/would do that to me, because if not you shouldn’t say those things, they just hurt too much,

i know exactly 2 of tw/ss/datisi are faking their emotions/questions because they know they are scum and they are just fucking with us. The one in that group who isn't scum is apparently too snowed to change his mind about what the correct solve is so it's basically hopeless at this point.

I passed my point where I should care about this game last night and I kind of regret every ounce of effort I've spent on it since but I read your posts this morning and just felt so sad.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I was 100% sure you were town after reading 4514-4521 tho you were like pretty close to 95% town to begin with before that

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

great now we're all crying

what a stupid game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm not saying they wrongly SR you

I'm saying they are trying to get you to calm down and accept Pooky getting lynched.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

well i had you at 100% town before the meltdown but that probly doesnt do much since im going to die

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i have no reason to manipulate your emotions because you literally already think I am town and so changing your opinion wouldnt help me in any way. I am sorry to have caused you emotional duress and I will log off for a while now.

everything i wrote this morning are my actual thoughts and I'm honestly too emotionally drained to care about this game right now. its just too much.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i have no reason to manipulate your emotions because you literally already think I am town and so changing your opinion wouldnt help me in any way.

This has the extremely worrying implication that you would be willing to manipulate someone's emotions if they did not agree with you.

you are ridiculous

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You both are speaking essentially in unison today. You are pulling whatever you can out of my ISO and assigning it scum motivation without actually analyzing it, and you're shooting down whatever I say and trying to gaslight me by suggesting that my arguments are insane. You're ignoring the evidence I have given of decision making and insisting that you actually know what I did or didn't think about. You both have expressed a token suspicion on the other but ultimately decided that I was the right one to kill.

This is not at all a cooperative mindset. This is adversarial. This method of twisting the facts could be confirmation bias-- but confirmation bias rarely manifests itself in such a sudden (neither of you were remotely tunneled on me before today) or coordinated (you both are doing this in exactly the same way at exactly the same time) manner.

Meanwhile I have basically sat here and taken it, trying to deflect and break down your arguments while engaging the people I trust and trying to get on the same page as them (and get them on the same page as each other). I haven't really presented any arguments of my own, because I don't necessarily think that what I can produce is more meaningful than what they can produce, and whatever case they make will certainly be more meaningful to them.

this is SS's case for Raven/Pooky scumteam

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

The counter to this case:

1) This is literally the dumbest scum strategy imaginable - Raven-scum would not go all in on defending Pooky-scum on lylo when literally everyone else has signalled that they want to lynch Pooky.

2) I have literally never had a scumpartner hard all in defend me at lylo in my life as far as I can remember.

3) Bugspray almost hammered Pooky on the first day of D1.

4) Pooky literally asked the town to lynch him on D2 to avoid this lylo bullshit push over DSJ-town who was the other possible lynch at the time.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't see how Pooky-scum makes these posts yesterday about DSJ-town:

bleh sorry i know i'm not being helpful
(i'm feeling like ... really burnt out rn)

i'm leaning towards voting pooky here cuz i'm not sure how else he'd be sorted
and he feels really disingenuous in several of his arguments
and is shading like ... many people

i don't really want dsjstr in lylo either tho

what i really dont want is a green dsj flip today followed by easy lynch of me tomm in lylo for scumwin

id rather get lynched today, flip green and you guys think about what I said about dsj/ss knowing my role is green

should i just take the plunge and vote dsjstr????

dats i really don't want you to autovote pooky tom in that case :/

Skitter,

I've read all of dsj's scumgames and a few of his longer town games that I linked prior to this.

The difference between him here and his previous scumgames is that he's lasted longer than a few days - in 2 scumgames he replaces out almost immediately, one of them he replaced in on the last day and did nothing, very rarely does he actually play the game out when he is dealt scum and his scum play is very crap.

I also re-read a few of his town games and he usually gets into stupid arguments - but this could be because they are mostly newbie games.

A possible explanation for his play this game is that he feels uncomfortable and out of his depth- however I do not believe dsjtr offering to off himself via lynch to avoid lylo is within his scumrange - his scum play lacks that level of deception.

My worry is that the scum are outside of dats/dsj and they are happy to keep me/dats alive as lynchbait for lylo when they can just jump on Datisi - hence why I think removing me is the best way to clear Datisi's head if he is actually town which I currently believe he is.

It is suicidally stupid to make these posts if I am scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we definitely need dsjstr's flip to make sense of anything

please elaborate

Dsj flips scum ->??

Dsj flips town ->??

like this was what he said about Dsj - he says he needs the information from DSJ's flip to "make sense of anything" I ask him for specifics and he basically put down some random nonsense that he didn't really think out:

dsj flips scum -> we can probably just kill you/raven and be happy

dsj flips town -> something is rotten in the state of denmark. is it datisi? is it tw? who knows, really, we get to have a real fun and by fun I mean not fun lylo to figure that one out.

reposting this in case you missed it

Now DSJ has flipped town - does SS do what he promised to do? Nope he just goes straight to scenario 1: Let's kill Pooky/Raven.(which is what he wanted to do if dsj flipped scum)

So how the hell could SS need DSJ's flip info to "figure things out" IF HIS PLAN REGARDLESS OF DSJ FLIP WAS ALWAYS TO LYNCH POOKY/RAVEN?

He didn't NEED INFO AT ALL. HE'S NOT EVEN PRETENDING TO SOLVE THE GAME.

Does that sound like a player "figuring things out" or a scum checking easy low hanging fruit off his "to lynch list" for an easy win? LIKE I DONT KNOW HOW MUCH MORE OBVIOUS SS-SCUM HAS TO GET FOR YOU GUYS TO WAKE THE !@#$ UP

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i have no reason to manipulate your emotions because you literally already think I am town and so changing your opinion wouldnt help me in any way.

This has the extremely worrying implication that you would be willing to manipulate someone's emotions if they did not agree with you.

"Someone has shot this woman dead in the street, Pooky did you do it?"

"Why no, I have no motive to do it, I don't even know this woman"

"This has the extremely worrying implication that you would be willing to murder a woman in the streets if you did know them."

You are so full of shit its unbelievable

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

can you find a game where I do this as scum? what the hell does this puppy dude have to do with me?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

can you find a game where I do this as scum? what the hell does this puppy dude have to do with me?

Can you find a game where you did it as town?

the negation of I wouldn't do this as scum is to find a game where I did it as scum.

Whether I have done this as town before has no bearing on this and you know it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

show me a game where I did it as scum then

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

no I'm saying its not in my scum-meta because you can see in all my past games i've never done it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and i'm rereading this puppy thing and it's totally not the same fucking thing at all

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if u think i'm scum with knight, then why lynch prana today? 1 before lylo is supposed to be about resolving ambiguities. i would rather the rest of the town pick between me/una than go into tomorrow on a 50-50

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

he wanted a 1v1 between him and una not a fucking self-lynch to resolve his slot prior to lylo because he townread Prana

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

those posts also come when Prana is at L-1 and Puppy has 0 votes on him so he's just white-knighting before the lynch to make himself look better - like there's almost no chance they take him up on that offer and the offer isn't really even a self-lynch its moving a 1v1 between him and una up.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like just look at the VC when he made those posts

Prana has 3 votes on him and Puppy has 0 - you really think he's at a point where town is willing to switch off Prana and lynch him?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the VC when I offered to get lynched was:

PookeyTheMagicalBear (1) - Datisi
dsjstr (1) - Raven Branwen
Datisi (1) - dsjstr

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the likelihood of the town taking the suggestion and executing the proposed self-lynch is kind of important to factor into "whether scum would gambit here for town-cred"

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if u think i'm scum with knight, then why lynch prana today? 1 before lylo is supposed to be about resolving ambiguities. i would rather the rest of the town pick between me/una than go into tomorrow on a 50-50

This is not saying - lynch me get Una tommorrow. This is saying lets do a 1v1 between me and una today - which doesnt happen cuz 3 votes are already on prana and the town isn't gonnna move off.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and this is kind of retarded for me to even be defending some other player's meta you really good at this sliding scale bullshit datisi

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the negation of I wouldn't do this as scum is to find a game where I did it as scum.

no, that is the negation of "you DIDN'T do it as scum." It is impossible to prove that you WOULDN'T do it.

past actions have a indication on future actions. That's a reason why judges when sentencing criminals usually look at past record etc to determine whether they will do further crimes in the future.

My point is that my game meta history is the best clue you are going to get about whether I am capable of these actions you are accusing me of doing badly. You have tried to twist that by going for the inverse of the action which has no bearing on the probability of me doing this as scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think theres a decent chance you are deathtunneled town in this game so if we make it to lylo together the scum will win. its better for me to exit today and get rid of this distraction. good luck dats

This post is where I first offered to exit the game on D2 - aka get lynched.

the VC at this time is :

PookeyTheMagicalBear (1) - Datisi
dsjstr (1) - Raven Branwen
Datisi (1) - dsjstr


assuming that dsj moves over from voting Datisi to me, that's 2 votes on me, with only 1 person voting dsj

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

(1) in that gamestate puppy would always lose that 1v1 so it's basically the same thing and (2) what's the meaningful difference if your point is that "there was 3 votes on prana already, town wasn't gonna move"

is it because "well if puppy had offered to plainly lynch himself the town would've taken him up on the offer"?

actually what's the point of arguing this idk i'm here anyway

No I'm saying that the gambit makes sense coming from scum when there are three votes on Prana because its unlikely those 3 votes just decide to move from Prana to Puppy there and Puppy had 0 votes on him to begin with.

The gambit is suicidally stupid if done by me at that point because I was at 1-1 with dsj and dsj hadn't voted me yet.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sorry i got distracted
i still haven't really read the last whatever pages, i shall valiantly try again

i'm leaning towards voting pooky here tho
idk who the partner is

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12073338

you can start from there if you want to skip most of the bullshit back and forth between me/ss/dats

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

idk who the partner is

again if nobody makes sense as my partner - it's because I don't have a partner

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@Datisi

like i really feel I don't deserve you this game, you've been so good to me and i've been so shit and useless and it just breaks my heart seeing that asshole dats do the same shit routine to you too

YOU NEED To STOP THIS NOW! Not cool bruh!

Does this look like an S/S interaction to you?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@Datisi does this look like scum-theater to you?

like i really feel I don't deserve you this game, you've been so good to me and i've been so shit and useless and it just breaks my heart seeing that asshole dats do the same shit routine to you too

YOU NEED To STOP THIS NOW! Not cool bruh!

You are gaslighting Dats and in a mean way. I refuse to be any kind of party to this. Dats is a great person, so is SS and I’m actually friends with tw, so don’t you dare talk about my friends that way. I won’t stand for it!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like I legit don't get how you came out of our cry session in the morning convinced that pooky/raven are definitely scum together.

i legit don't see how town-datisi makes that conclusion

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

deadass my biggest fear rn is us executing dsjstr, him flipping scum, pooky making up some arguments about "oh i was right on the game state dsj was actually scum" and y'all believe him and town ends up losing

pedit: skitt no this isn't the scum PT

im actually pretty worried dsj is town here

Then who is scum, then?

lets say i am lynched today.

assuming tw dies in the night and flips bg and someone else confirms skitter as FM tommorrow, then I think the scum would be SS/Raven in the endgame.

if tw doesnt die and skitter dies- I think there is a strong chance tw/SS are the scum.

if datisi dies and tw lives - I also think it would be tw/SS as scum but this is the hardest scenario imo.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i hate that that happened and it shouldn't hace happened but i'm not going to be awarding townreads (or scumreads!) because of it. it spiraled out of control fast but it was essentially things that weren't even game related.

im not asking for townreads or scumreads. im asking you does that look likr scum theater or not?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

not sure where either of these things are happening

she is continuing to respond to SS's "solve"

You both are speaking essentially in unison today.

You are pulling whatever you can out of my ISO and assigning it scum motivation without actually analyzing it, and you're shooting down whatever I say and trying to gaslight me by suggesting that my arguments are insane. You're ignoring the evidence I have given of decision making and insisting that you actually know what I did or didn't think about. You both have expressed a token suspicion on the other but ultimately decided that I was the right one to kill.

This is not at all a cooperative mindset. This is adversarial. This method of twisting the facts could be confirmation bias-- but confirmation bias rarely manifests itself in such a sudden (neither of you were remotely tunneled on me before today) or coordinated (you both are doing this in exactly the same way at exactly the same time) manner.

Meanwhile I have basically sat here and taken it, trying to deflect and break down your arguments while engaging the people I trust and trying to get on the same page as them (and get them on the same page as each other). I haven't really presented any arguments of my own, because I don't necessarily think that what I can produce is more meaningful than what they can produce, and whatever case they make will certainly be more meaningful to them.

The bolded is why your solve is bullshit. In a world where you’re actually town here (doubt it), you figure that out. You are the one gaslighting here. You’re not right and you clearly dgaf and if you’re actually town, I’d really like to know why.

She says that his solve is the equivalent of calling her a terrible scum player

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm not in a mood to read 9 pages if it's just circular again
did I miss anything?

out of tw/ss/dats

2 of you are scum

at this point I think SS is lock-scum but I'm not sure who the town player between Datisi/TW is

so if you're town you should re-read and try to come to your senses.

If you're scum then uh good job you're probly gonna win.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this morning when she poured her heart out defending me and thrashing SS

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

fuck you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@Datisi does this look like scum-theater to you?

like i really feel I don't deserve you this game, you've been so good to me and i've been so shit and useless and it just breaks my heart seeing that asshole dats do the same shit routine to you too

YOU NEED To STOP THIS NOW! Not cool bruh!

You are gaslighting Dats and in a mean way. I refuse to be any kind of party to this. Dats is a great person, so is SS and I’m actually friends with tw, so don’t you dare talk about my friends that way. I won’t stand for it!

give me a straight answer dats


is this scum theater or no?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

raven stood up for you cuz she thinks you're her friend. is this convo an S/S between PookyScum/RavenScum? give me a yes or no.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yes or no stop punting

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thank god its over

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

my final solve for the scum is datisi and SS

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

there is 0 chance townDatisi comes out of the conversation this morning thinking Pooky/Raven are actually scum together. but he knows he needs to keep pushing Pooky/Raven as scum together in order to get away with winning on a Pooky miselim.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

there are 0 viable partners for pooky that Datisi-scum can push outside of Raven, thats why when all evidence shows that Raven is not partnered with Pooky, Dats has to keep insisting that we are still scum together and the morning convo is NAI even tho it clearly rules out a Pooky/Raven team. Dats-Scum wants to win but he cant bring himself to say that Raven/Pooky are doing scumtheater because he doesnt want to hurt Ravens feelings. gg wp all.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sigh.

you want me to say "no, it doesn't look like scum theater", which is true. i don't think it's scum theater.

you're then going to spin that answer into "pooky/raven cannot be scumpartners". which is not what i think. i'm saying it's unplanned. it's unpleasant. but it's entirely NAI.

pedit: just sigh.

maybe the scumteam actually is tw/s_s and this game is horrible. that would be very funny. i'd laugh so fucking hard you have no idea.

congrats on the win it was pretty well done.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

that would have indeed been fun

most of what pooky is saying is out of his scumrange he kinda, like, did as scum in coalition
that's kinda what settled it for me

raven ...

i never offered mysef to get lynched in coalition but whatever

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

may I just point out that if Pooky is town we are not about to lose the game; we have already long since lost it.

wtf r u talking about

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why r u guys even faking at this point lololol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

notice how i dont offer myself up to be lynched in any of my posts

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what i say is specifically outside my scumrange is offering to be lynched in place of a town player. this is something i never did in coalition or literally any other time as scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont have a partner im not scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If you're town you have 3 partners, but you sure aren't playing like it.

i have 0 partners who know what my alignment is

that's what I'm talking about

keep shooting bullshit dude you're lucky your friends are happy to let you skate in a real game you'd be lynched in 0 seconds

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Pooky

i cant believe how transparently scummy you are and you are going to win

lololol

so amazing

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its SS/Datisi how many time do i have to say it

just end the game ive suffered enough

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

gg wp i was town thanks it was fun

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean the game is over when i die so obv a weight is going to be off all our shoulders

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok i guess you're town then and TW/SS really was the solve

wild

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

only 3 votes

and pooky nice to play with you too!

thanks it was lovely to play with you as well hope you come back some time when I'm in a better mood

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i get very emotional when I am about to get mislynched for the loss on lylo

if i was scum I wouldn't give a shit lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like you can see in coalition's scum PT I'm like telling aldus to hammer me at the end and im pretty chill with being mislynched cuz it's whatever i'm sure he will win at lylo

here its complete opposite because i'm town and i know there is no tommorrow for us

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you look at my ISO for coalition - I made 45 posts total on D3 Lylo as scum - i dont even bother to try much

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

in this game I have made over 300 posts on d3 lylo

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky town facing lylo losing lynch and pooky scum facing lylo is completely different

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

dats do u remember the reason you voted me first time in d1?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

can u unvote im playing cards with my kids and ill get back to u when im free

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you r scum dats i really will murder you for trolling me by not hammering

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this is a game that just ended where I got lynched as town in lylo:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=122&t=83528

it's in the fogey section of the site so you might not have access -

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

but i didn't really put nearly as much effort into that game cuz fogey games are much slower in general

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=83365

this game i got lynched at lylo as town and but its a lovers game tho

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do you want me to look thru my games from 10 years ago? i dont think it would be very useful

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

would you like to copy paste my ISO from the game in the fogey section or ask for you to get access?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

dats ur right u had the chance to win with anybody but pooky so uh assuming dats/pooky isn't a thing he's conftown basically

does this change anything from ur pov?

it basically has to be TW/SS from my POV - I really don't see raven doing what she did this morning as scum - I think she just takes the easy win when I get lynched

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it's from like many years ago, right?
if yeah than it's probably nto helpful

nah it just ended a few days ago

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like it'd be a few seconds to copy paste my ISO but I don't want to spam up the game thread if you're not interested in reading it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

dats ur right u had the chance to win with anybody but pooky so uh assuming dats/pooky isn't a thing he's conftown basically

does this change anything from ur pov?

i'm kinda more interested in this than you copy-pasting the lylo of that game tbh

I responded to this a while back

essentially it means that TW/SS is basically my lock-solve since there's no way IMO raven-scum jumps thru the gymnastics she does since Pooky-town is like almost certainly going to get lynched here anyway

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it also means that i fucked up big time d1 by not listening to you about tw and pushing aldus instead

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i guess koba decided all out to try to pocket me because I pocketed him in coalition. he did it so well he pocketed the whole town even tho he was force replaced out 20 days ago.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thats fair. gg hope to play with you again. sorry for my many screwups this game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like tw is pretending like there is a tomm but there really isnt. this really is the end if you flip me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

whatever at least I was basically right on every read except for aldus and koba d1 :>

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

tho the loss still stings.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

skitter do you remember how sure you were d1 that TW was def scum? can we go back there somehow pls

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like i know its unfair cuz i have information you dont have but can you think of anything i can do at this point to get you to understand im innocent here?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

these posts r obv to skitter, tw is dead to me now

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we're not eliminating me today!
i wouldn't, like, force a tw vote but like he's the scummiest person rn to me

i need a time machine to get back here


datisi save me plz im really a good guy this time

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i listened

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i don't think any townie in this endgame isn't kinda low-to-medium-key paranoid in some way or another. that's kind of my knee-jerk reaction to your paranoia which i'd normally try to swallow.

lol is SS in any way paranoid or is he just pushing the ML that wins him the game and not even worried in the slightest? you read his ISO and show me 1 post where he's worried he's wrong about me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

which piece of evidence in your mind skitter is the most damning reason for you to suspect Pooky-scum here?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm really sorry for getting you upset. I didn't mean it as an attack on Datisi's character. =[

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Dats is a really good guy

I'm the shitty asshole here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Dats is a really good guy

I'm the shitty asshole here

I’m one of the last people who ought to be throwing stones but I’ve been trying to do a lot better and am very proud of myself for succeeding.

i think you probably played the best game out of everyone here -if you're scum then it's just A+ win for you no matter what goes down.

If you're town, you're the only one who correctly deduced that I'm town.

Thanks for everything.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sorry again <3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea i still kinda hate u

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If I'm mafia I would've stopped posting something like 200 posts ago when everyone decided the solution was Pooky/Raven

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like there's no reason for me to try even 20% as hard if I'm scum and my partner is outside the town lynchpath lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont even get why you're posting when you've already locked in the win lol

just give it a rest

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

r u 2 going to have some kind of pretend conversation now?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea i didn't think so lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea we can talk postgame whatever

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like tbh I don't even get what the scum case on me is at this point.

Is it just POE? You think everyone else is way more towny?

Why? How? I just don't get it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this is just someone who really doesn't understand how tw/ss can be so transparently scummy and just tap dance their way to a win here.

just wild

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

- ducky is scum and they thought that skitter dying would make him look worse than skitter living (1000 IQ WIFOM play right there)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Skitter is 100% confitown from this.

Skitter is not 100% conftown, she could be scum with Datisi

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

that's how i feel right now cuz i'm baffled you thought ss was more likely to die than lilith

Why is that baffling

I feel like you're lowkey insulting me lol. That's fine if you are, I'll accept criticism, but I know the duckling has a lot of respect for my abilities, and lilith was confirmed not PR. Your disbelief reads as confbias to me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I've become scum with SS.

Dream team!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and yes my play today makes a lot of sense as locktowned scum. but that ignores the reasons I got locktowned in the first place.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm very sorry to hear that this game I wanted to join needed a replacement. It truly saddens me to see DkKoba and DonCorleone leave and this is in no way related to my desire to play with a waterfowl who shall remain nameless.

Anyway.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im literally not talking to you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if i could put you on ignore I would

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i already know you guys are scum together because my role PM reads town.

I am showing these to skitter in the hopes that she engages with me and changes her mind - because if she chooses to stay the course we lose right here and now.

That's my basic responsibility to Aldus, Dsj, Lilith, and every member of this town.

I am not interested in a discussion with you or SS - I already know you 2 are scum here. Can you stop pretending to talk to me? It's really a waste of our time at this point.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Exactly. @SS aren’t you supposed to be some mech genius or something?

I am. There's a big difference between killing someone tomorrow and killing them today. You may note that skitter is still alive and confirmed and can lead us in lylo. If not for the BG, they could (and would) have just killed her.

The mark is a strongman with a drawback. No point in having a strongman if there's nothing for it to bypass.

This post is incredibly scummy.

It completely ignores the fact that if skitter had died in N2 that TW would immediately hang for not protecting her and instead tries to use the fact that skitter was marked as proof that TW is a BG and that scum used the mark as a way to bypass TW-BG.

It also ignores the fact that the bomb is something for the mark to bypass and instead claims that the mark's existence is proof of a BG's existence - remember just yesterday SS had claimed that my claim was "believable" because I had come up with it in 2 minutes so it was something plausible.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

no i am not going to stop posting because you're stroppy that i'm around to refute this bullshit
this is like literally a social game

in face to face mafia when its lylo between 2 players usually the scum has the decency to let the townie make his case to the decider without interjecting with inane bullshit every 2 minutes

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I have literally nothing to say to you.

I know you are scum.

If you want to make a case to skitter then make it on your own time, don't interrupt me in the middle of my posting and try to knock me off course with random distracting posts.

I AM NOT INTERESTED IN TALKING TO YOU AT ALL.

If you want to make some case to skitter - then do so yourself and I will stay offline until you are done talking then I will resume making my posts.

I do not want to interact with you in any way.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I am going to go offline for about an hour.

If you have something to say to skitter/datisi you can do it now.

I do not want you to post anything to me.

I am not interested in anything you say to me period.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you're already probably going to win so I'd like you to just let me post my thoughts without interrupting me with bullshit every time I post something thanks. You can make your rebuttal when I'm done or whatever

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

look if you want to post an actual case on why I'm scum

then go ahead and post it.

If you have nothing to say

then don't say anything

thanks