Open 459: There is a New Scum in Town. Game Over Town Wins!

[pirate mollie]

hi guys!

VOTE: majiffy

just because he is a big deal.

[pirate mollie]

hhhmm...

[pirate mollie]

So fizz admits he was afraid of looking scummy by answering the "are you scum" question. Isn't that the entire purpose of asking loaded questions? Seeing if you can make someone nervous like that?

And yeah I don't bother checking join dates every time someone posts.

Right now, the fact that you are new means absolutely nothing to me right now.

Guys, is the last paragraph of 44 an accidental scum claim?

it should cos it might explain some of his play a bit. I agree he looks terrible right now but he is coming across as newb null not newb scum at the mo. most newbs do care what they look like cos they want to stay active in the game and they haven't learned that motivation to survive is scummy to de core.

wait why am I explaining this to you.

oh majiiiiffffy, get in here and get your hands dirty so I can get an early read on you otherwise I am leaving my rvs vote right where it is.

xpost, lol

[pirate mollie]

^ oh good someone who posts like a douchebag

we will get along just fine! :p

[pirate mollie]

Daykill: the director

Daykill: pirate mollie

There.

That

problem's solved.

if you are truly the day vig then that was the single most stupid thing I have ever seen in a game ever.

the game has barely begun, not everyone has posted, you don't have a read on me or the director, you put a target on yourself for scum, gaahhhhh

fake eta: although if you are dumb enough to day vig kill right off the bat like that I suppose you are doing me a favour cos I thought that the quality of play would be pretty good in this game and you putting in an order like that with little to no info makes me think that I was wrong!

[pirate mollie]

Noooo I like Mollie

Vote KMD or Aether, folks.

what is your case on those 2

[pirate mollie]

Daykill: the director

Daykill: pirate mollie

There.

That

problem's solved.

if you are truly the day vig then that was the single most stupid thing I have ever seen in a game ever.

the game has barely begun, not everyone has posted, you don't have a read on me or the director, you put a target on yourself for scum, gaahhhhh

fake eta: although if you are dumb enough to day vig kill right off the bat like that I suppose you are doing me a favour cos I thought that the quality of play would be pretty good in this game and you putting in an order like that with little to no info makes me think that I was wrong!

wut

the only time I have ever played a day vig (offsite) I had to announce the kill in the game thread, in bold and say, "daykill so and so". is that not how it is done here? when nobody special said "daykill" does he mean lynch?

[pirate mollie]

oh wait, nm, it is an open game and the roles are listed. lol <-----@ myself

[pirate mollie]

I'm glad you worked that one out on your own.

me too!

still trying to adjust to how things are done on this site so I will probably still make some retarded mistakes.

[pirate mollie]

Yes, that did cross my mind at a point. But i was also deciding whether i should put the vote up for Aether, for the same reason for which he voted for me.

Hey, you just scumslipped by planning to OMGUS me!

Still doesn't address the reason that town has no reason while scum does. But cute hand-wave.

GRAMMAR NAZI: A person who overreacts to grammatical mistakes.

Why would scum do that? Think about it.

cherry pick moarrrrrr

[pirate mollie]

so majiffy what do you think about the bw on fizz

[pirate mollie]

Ask me questions! I'm bored and need something to do.

okay what do you think of majiffy. and nobody's special.

[pirate mollie]

Highlight of the first 5 pages

Oh help me please. ;_;

Aether, link any two recent scum games and two of your more recent town games. No ongoing.

Apparently he has none.
He got modkilled as a townie. >.>

Gah, I hate being a townie. Not only do I have to wait for four days just for night to be over (Like, WTF?), but I also have to read 30+ long pages which probably could be summarized in one wall.

Really? Is it that just me to whom that sounds so much like a scum-slip...Even if not, he could be a very volatile townie especially in the endgame. I mean short attention span... (also note Aether/director scum team)
UNVOTE: Breakfast
VOTE: Aether LET THE LIGHT SHINE THROUGH YOU!!!

you will have to walk me through as to why you see that as a scum slip

[pirate mollie]

okay. so you think he has a night action. where is the scum slip.

[pirate mollie]

walk me through as to why you thought that there were 0 town specials when they were stated in the ops.

(acknowledging my own stupid paranoia about nobody special's announcement of who he wanted to see dead on d1 as a day vig claim)

[pirate mollie]

Wake me when something important happens.

well then do something interesting

[pirate mollie]

Mollie, the problem is newbtown is very easy to spot and fizz's posts didn't give me the vibe of "hey is this guy new or something?". Even if you treat him as a newb, I don't see newbtown. And I don't see his posts as simply "motivation to survive" as you put it.

Majiffy, my fizz vote is equally "opportunistic" as your aether vote. We both saw something scummy and pounced. If you are going to push opportunism, you are going to have to show how it is different than your own vote.

I didn't say he came across as newb town I said he came across as newb null. "motivation to survive" explains the carefulness of his posts as in he does not want to make a stupid mistake and get lynched. he hasn't spacked out yet under pressure which works in his favour.

and not to defend majiffy cos I think he looks like pondscum at the mo but it is the timing and the placement of your vote that makes it look opportunistic while his just looks scummy but that is a relative tell I think.

[pirate mollie]

How does timing matter? We both voted in our first post after day start. Only difference is that he said he was going to ahead of time.

Also:

Now think about this for a second. Why would you call me scummy for not directly answering the question. If i say no, i'm not, you get to square one. From what i'm thinking,

scum would definitely just say no. Why risk exposing yourself as scum (if you're scum),

by writing more stuff, when you can just say no and leave it at that. That was my thought process.

Town doesn't have to worry about what to do if they are scum

.

when I say timing I mean the activity that was going on in the thread at the time, not the arc of the day round although usually that is what is meant by timing so fair point. the 2 are finely nuanced I guess. I am not sure that timing is a strong indication in this format, I am used to 24 hour day rounds where timing is crucial but it is something I look at but would have to take in the body of work. timing is analogous to music I suppose as in scum will feel/sound/read as out of step with the natural rhythm of things.

nobody special's vote stuck out more so than yours in all of that exchange but I see where majiffy is coming from if he could be arsed enough to make a case out of it.

wrt the italicised: it has been my experience that newbs do not always get this so I tend to scrutinise those who paint this as scummy.

what do you think of majiffy and fe? and malacat (thinking I got her username wrong but do you know who I mean?)

she asked to be asked questions and so I did but she hit de club and has not answered yet.

[pirate mollie]

jesus christ what is with the dramatics

[pirate mollie]

doesn't mean he is not on your team how about if you are town you try to find scum already

[pirate mollie]

He was in Newbie 1294 (town) where got modkilled for cheating
He was in Newbie 1301 (town) where he got modkilled and the game thrown for cheating

links?

[pirate mollie]

Hi. Thanks Rach.

Going to wait and see what Aether's replacement is like a bit more before I put the vote back on the slot.

just so you know I had typed out this big long post when you first asked to be subbed out that began with calling you a big giant baby. sweet irony. didn't post it though cos it looked like your sub was under way.

so now that you are over your spack attack with aether what else do you got.

[pirate mollie]

okay. let's see where this goes.

VOTE: kmd4390

liking malacat for town.

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[pirate mollie]

agree about breakfast.

majiffy, if you wanted aether policy lynched why did you not just say so instead of creating some bogus case on him?

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That wasn't really Mollie's point though -- the point was that Majiffy's #210 seems to indicate that Aether was more a policy lynch than that thing about "reading role PMs => scum" which seems contradictory.

exactly.

re: policy lynches. I don't want to spend too much time on this and derail the game but on very rare special occasions do I agree with them. majiffy doesn't go around willy nilly policy lynching without good reason. I would have supported him even though he didn't do shit to help me with jerome on another site.

that he instead tried to paint aether as scummy rather than just go with a policy lynch kind of looks scummy to me.

[pirate mollie]

lol, kiss

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iss majiffy I see what you are doing but I am not understanding the reason as to WHY you are doing it. I really can't determine the motivations

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f you posts at this point. you kind of look like

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[pirate mollie]

So..

I'm scum for having a strong scum read on someone you somehow know to be town?

I don't like your phrasing. "Well he's gotta die now", that's scummy.

tbh you are going tohave to unpack this for me cos I did not get that what from he said at all.

UNVOTE: kmd

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I compare you to a kiss from a rose on the gray!

OOOOOOOH!

The more I get of you,
The stranger it feels, yeah!
And now that your rose is in bloom,
A light hits the gloom on the gray.

lol, you.

I am not quite sold on a kmd lynch. some of his posts have come across as really townish. what do you think of breakfast and fe. they both pinged for me but I am going to do a reread in iso and then back in the thread for context.

also what about nobody special. he is super followy and just...odd. he isn't really scumhunting, it kind of looks like he is coasting other than his big who he wants to see dead post.

[pirate mollie]

some of his posts have come across as really townish.

What's townie about it?

- post #166 is internally consistent with post #278. if he is scum he is not misstepping in his reasoning. his explanation of an omgus is true. town freak out far more than scum cos scum have learned not to do that given it is such a common tell but he specifically highlighted that was why he was not voting for fizz, unless I read that wrong. highlighting this only closes a future option of fosing and pushing a lynch on somebody else if he were scum. what is significant about this is that there is no wking involved since his vote is still on fizz, so as scum, that would have cost him an advantage and I don't see an experienced player doing this.

-post #167 reads as genuine.

-post #190 reads as null leaning possible town.

-post #214 someone will have to explain to me the scum motivation behind this post.

-post #217 reads as he is genuinely asking this question.

to me he is sending out a clear town signal, so that is why I am leaning town on him.

[pirate mollie]

Nobody Special, I don't understand why would pretending to be a dayvig gets you information. Yes, pirate mollie flipped out for a couple posts there, but such a reaction would surely be the exception rather than the rule, as

the whole point of open games

to my understanding

is that one knows the set-up in advance.

I'll assume you missed my explanation, so I'll repeat it here: I wanted to know who was paying attention. It's my feeling that (generally) scum pay much closer attention to the setup than town does. Therefore, mollie is pretty town for the freakout.

And if you're convinced Fizz is scum as of #220, why are you looking to see where the Kmd4390 bandwagon goes to the extent that you're supporting it? That feels rather opportunistic to me and even more poorly justified than uctriton00's voting Kmd4390.

It was early-game enough that I felt comfortable wagon-hopping to see what would happen. For now, though,

unvote

I need to re-read and catch up.

not buying any of this.

VOTE: nobody special

[pirate mollie]

rachmarie,

[pirate mollie]

I don't like Majiffy #279 -- this seems like an admission that it's plausible that Kmd genuinely misinterpreted Fizz's nervousness. Why is Kmd scum for doing this? This is some serious confirmation bias if you're town. I have pretty much 0 interest in a Kmd lynch today anymore.
@Majiffy -- you mentioned LastSurvivor was a good lynch. Do you still feel that way, and if so, why?

Uct #280 is buddying Mala. In fact lots of people are calling Mala town after I did it in #171. I did this because she shut down the (i believe unintentional)

rolefishing that Mollie did in ~#124

. Outside of that her play is kinda worrying me at this point because she's playing very reactively and opaquely. Do others disagree? Why?
Regarding Uct #318 -- explain why replacing out under pressure is a scumtell.

#294 from Fizz at least contains some analysis (good), but I'm worried he's parroting my reads (he even mentions Mala and Mollie in the same sentence, which I also did.)

penguin #316 is a good post and kind of speaks to NS trying to blend in.

In fact NS is just looking worse to me. Wagon hop in #220 makes no sense if he's seriously convinced Fizz is scum (reread-edit -- penguin already pointed this out, but I'd like to add that Fizz had a sizable wagon himself at that point so it's even more suspicious.) I don't see any motivation behind #289 other than to possibly muddy the situation -- there's no conclusion drawn here. #307 is exactly what I'd expect him to say re: dayvig reaction test as either alignment and I'll agree that Mollie looks town from it.

I can't really get inside the director's head at all. Definitely not seeing why #308 should be some back breaking straw. My gut on director, however, is town, based on previous play with him.

Nothing new to say about Breakfast other than that he needs a serious prod to the face. He's been active elsewhere.

wrt the bold: whoa, I just want to clarify cos that was a bit of misrepresentation there borky.

fe

was the one who was rolefishing, not me, I was going after him for it. I got a little irritated with malacat cos she shut it down cos I didn't see how anybody could not find fe's line of reasoning and questioning scummy. I was just calling him on it.

[pirate mollie]

@Mollie -- Your line of questioning had the potential to give people information about roles rather than just alignment. That's all I meant and I think you're overreacting given that I'm not trying to paint you as scummy for doing it.

bork.

here is post #124:

okay.

so you think he has a night action

. where is the scum slip.

fe said that he thought that aether said something that implied he had a night action. the bold is where I was repeating that

fe had said that he thought aether had a night action

. and then I asked him where was the scum slip. how is that role fishing exactly? looks like I was trying to find out from fe as to why he thought that was a scumslip (alignment question).

for you to say that I was rolefishing is a misrepresentation of what was actually said or even asked and one of my pet peeves is when someone misrepresents what I say so plz do not do that.

[pirate mollie]

eta: malacat this kind of applies to you as well.

but anyways I have malacat, kmd, that penguin person and borky in my town pile. very unsure about majiffy. unsure about fizz. almost wouldn't mind a fizz lynch though cos it almost looks like majiffy was trying to move the lynch off of fizz at the point where he voted for aether. I think nb looks like pondscum with that explanation he gave to penguin person like scumminess is seriously oozing out of every orifice of his body.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie and bork are probably town for things I picked up in that discussion, but we won't discuss those things.

Mollie, majiffy stated intent to vote aether before the game even started officially.

I know! did you see where I questioned majiffy about it cos instead of just announcing it was a policy vote he tried to make out like he genuinely saw aether as scummy.

anyways I am not going to bicker with players that I think are town anymore.

was it you who asked me about the director? he has been quiet and not very...direct. I will read his posts in iso at another point but I am pretty sure he hasn't done much. what do you think of him.

[pirate mollie]

No offense, but you're kind of retarded this game.

no u. u r teh r3t4rd.

lol, I think I am pretty retarded in every game.

[pirate mollie]

fe, when majiffy calls you retarded plz don't take it personally. it is what I call "mafia shit talk" and it isn't meant to be insulting per se it is more of a way of just blowing off steam. in my first newb game majiffy called me a cunt several times but for me it made me feel at home cos the site I usually play on there hardly ever a game that goes by where I don't make somebody meltdown and they end up calling me a cunt (a "raging cunt" in the game I just finished up in!) I don't know why this happens I think I am quite likeable. majiffy was in that game too and pretty much everyone insults and trolls each other so he is probably still a bit in that mindset. it is a very rough site but so much fun but to outsiders who don't understand that we are all good friends it may seem a bit...odd.

so don't look at the playstyle look at what he

posts

which looks like pondscum if he still has his vote on kmd.

kmd I have some strong opinions about that word "retarded" and I feel completely opposite than you. I think when you treat the word "retarded" as an insult it is actually insulting to the people who are medically retarded cos it implies that being retarded is a bad thing.

anyhoo, back to the game...

kmd I will probably bloc vote with you cos you are my strongest town read, followed by borky, the penguin person and malacat so plz don't get weird on me when I do so okay?

last survivor isn't pinging for me at all but I will read his posts in iso and then go back and read what you said about him and see if I can see where you are coming from. also I understood exactly what fe said. I am still leaning unsure/scummy on him especially with that bs summary where there was very little commitment to any of his reads although I did note that he was trying to throw mud at me but I clean up real purty don't I??? hehe

[pirate mollie]

Mollie, pretty sure I never used the "r" word. I rarely do. By the way, is SA the site you are talking about by any chance?

kmd I never said you used the r word! this is probably best for postgame discussion though. and no it is not sa it is tr.

I can get down with a fe lynch cos I do think he was role fishing but malacat when you did you decide he was rolefishing and not me I kind of thought that you thought that I was doing that.

[pirate mollie]

Ok I read that page in full and it looks like I already picked out the important parts.

Majiffy, call me dense but I legitimately don't see how anything in fizz's play is newbish. Until he said I was just going after the new guy, it didn't even occur to me from reading his posts that he may be new. I gave my reasons why he is scum and the fact that he is new doesn't change those reasons in my opinion. The main thing I saw originally was a nervousness that implied a thought of "I hope they don't figure me out", not "I hope I play well". Then he showed the same thing in his answer (if you can even call it an answer) to the "are you scum" question.

It looked like someone not wanting to lie and avoiding the question by choosing to focus on why the question was asked rather than focusing on the answer itself

. And then there's the whole thing about not wanting to expose himself as scum if he's scum. There is no reason for a townie to think like that. The closes a townie should get to that line of thinking is "I don't want someone to think I am scum" or "I don't want to be lynched". His posting just looks like it is coming from a scum mindset, new or not.

Mollie, I don't remember much of breakfast, but I do remember something standing out about fe. And while I liked Nobody at first (probably biased because he jumped on the wagon I started), I see your point on him. What do you think of director?

I have been wanting to hang on this cos I wanted to see what else shook out but it is one week before a lynch and I think we need to get our shit together.

wrt the bold: this internally consistent with what kmd has posted prior and it is innately true. newb scum do not like to lie it is uncomfortable if they are a decent person IRL. I was caught out a few times in a couple of early scum games cos I was asked if I was scum outright and either refused the question or dodged it. I have also caught scum out using this very same tactic.

this is also the post that sealed it for me that kmd is town.

was really hoping to take out the head before the ass (fizz I am not calling you an ass, it is just a figure of speech!) which I still think is majiffy but I am not certain and majiffy is too good of a player to waste on d1 in case I am wrong about him. <enters majiffy with a "you're retarded post">

[pirate mollie]

This takes way too many assumptions, the biggest being that you're projecting your feelings and attitudes which are entirely dependent on your personality and general behavior onto the feelings and attitudes of people whom are not you.

lol.

it isn't an assumption you giant dummy it is a point of reference wrt to what motivates players to post what they post in a game. it has been my experience that people who are uncomfortable with lying will dodge around a bit cos they do not want to come right out and lie. I have seen lots of players do this and I have used the very same tactic that kmd used and they had a similar response and they turned out to be scum. it only works on newbscum.

I, for one, had no problem lying as scum. It's the point of the game. This certainly doesn't make me an indecent person

. Also, scum kmd can just as easily make this statement as it doesn't really hurt his standing or win condition, so considering him town for posting said perspective is silly as well.

oh good grief I am pretty sure you are a decent person so don't get your panties in a twist.

and it is not silly to put kmd in my town pile for that since I am taking in his body of work and it reads as town. you can quibble about my scumdar (especially after the recent tr game) but my towndar is usually pretty accurate.

of course if kmd does turn out to be scum I will have to eat a shit ton of humble pie but for now I am sticking to my town read.

[pirate mollie]

may we pretty plz have a vc cos I really want to vote fizz.

[pirate mollie]

thank you malacat!

VOTE: fizz

[pirate mollie]

I think they both look squiffy, majiffy. hehe

okay. VOTE: fe

[pirate mollie]

you know if you turn out to be scum in this game you have seriously fucked your meta with me

[pirate mollie]

well then you are objectively the most scummiest looking players in the game. I have no meta with you wrt your scum game but fuck it you just look wrong.

VOTE: fizz

[pirate mollie]

Secondly those were my notes, why do I have to be serious.

Kill it with fire.

fine.

VOTE: fe

[pirate mollie]

(((kmd)))

[pirate mollie]

it would be really funny if fe flipped scum and he put all of his scummates in his town category. the lulz alone would make this game one of my favourite games of the year.

[pirate mollie]

eta: if number 6 is only a null read then why is your vote on him

[pirate mollie]

I want fe to keep talking....

[pirate mollie]

game just got really good.

[pirate mollie]

Bork, he's not a PR. He's scum.

who are you talking about here. borky's vote is already on fizz but you are willing to hammer fe so does that mean you actually think he is scum or did you just want sure to make that town got a lynch for info cos I am kind of confused.

[pirate mollie]

For the purposes of refining my asshole nature, please explain to me the difference.

Nope. Maybe post game (assuming I'm right).

don't tell him anything he will just update his meta.

also nacho are you really subbing out?

[pirate mollie]

also nacho are you really subbing out?

No. I meant to say that I'd hold the hammer until Maenara catches up, not whatever the hell I actually ended up saying.

I don't understand this response. are you subbing out yes or no if no then what does maenara have to do with anything. subbing out means someone else comes in and takes your place is maenara coming in and taking your place yes or no.

[pirate mollie]

okay well maenara and I get along about as well as oil and water so this ought to be fun.

(((rachmarie)))

[pirate mollie]

Maenara, I actually don't like the fe lynch. As I've said, i'd take any lynch over no lynch. However, fizz is the real scum so that's who we should be lynching. Look over my ISO and it should be obvious I think fe is town.

Oh really.

Whatever. We could do worse than a fe lynch.

that is not saying this:

Goddamnit you bitch, I was going to spell my name out with fruit and be a cleared townie

[pirate mollie]

not that one plz ignore this!!!!!

[pirate mollie]

Also, Kmd talks way too much about how good the Fe lynch is for someone who isn't on it.

he hasn't said that the fe lynch was good actually he gave a pretty good detailed description as to why he was against it but was going to to vote fe anyway are you scum maenara plz just confess.

[pirate mollie]

Nobody Special - I think he is scum but giving him some space.
Fe - he is lynched so whatever.
the director - lurking.
Malakittens - gone awol.
uctriton00 - who is this person
Kmd4390 - I think is town!
Aether Number Six * Maenara - didn't like maenara's intro!
Declan_giggs Lastsurvivor - seems okay. actually I like where his head is at.
penguin_alien - second strongest town read.
pirate mollie - town!
Majiffy havingfitz Majiffy - we are not on the same page and I do not understand why and it makes me suspicious.
borkjerfkin - third strongest town read!
Breakfast * Nachomama8 - liked your intro glad you joined the game but unsure as to your alignment.
Fizz - is he getting replaced out or what. I have him as possible scum.

all of this will be contingent on a fe lynch since that will provide more info.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: NS

That wagon hop off/on was really awkward.

IAWTP

VOTE: nobody special

[pirate mollie]

oh I think there is a distinct possibility that kmd might be scum but I want to test something out!

[pirate mollie]

conspiracy theorist spotted ITT

[pirate mollie]

For what it's worth, I consider the director to be a strong town read. He jumped around with his vote a bit at the start of last day phase, but he was the first to call out Fe and didn't relent anywhere for the rest of the phase. That would be a pretty hard bus to swallow. Which is making me look rather askance at Nobody Special.

His whole Day One attitude of 'let's see what happens' that he still hasn't explained to anywhere near my satisfaction (the whole, 'I think Fizz is scum, but why not vote his main detractor instead?' dealio) was making me leery, but his response to opening events of this phase is even worse. His response for being called on his late move to the Fe lynch is to say:

And you find that scummy?

...which i think is what borkjerfkin just said. He isn't voting you because he thinks the actions he pointed out were pro-town, that's for sure. And then you say:

But I don't generally bus.

which is just a complete non-starter. So you don't generally bus. That doesn't mean you never bus or that, from such a self-aware vantage point, you wouldn't mix up your meta. Overall that constitutes a lousy argument and looks like you're stalling to buy time to shift attention, or come up with reasons, or hope your detractors tie their own nooses.

Speaking of reasons, looking back at the Day One votes Nobody Special placed, they were for (in order) Fizz, Aether, Kmd4390, Fe, Nachomamma8, and Fe. None of these came with a real case. Fizz was a reaction test,

Aether was "kill it with fire"

, Kmd4390 I've covered already, Fe was 'walking too fine a tightrope', Nachomamma8 boiled down to 'why not' and Fe was, 'Okay.' Talk about blending in and not leaving a trail when at all possible.

I'm good with VOTE: Nobody Special given all that.

weird. cos I thought majiffy said it wrt fe.

[pirate mollie]

Alrighty back to posting serious.

For what it's worth, I consider the director to be a strong town read. He jumped around with his vote a bit at the start of last day phase, but he was the first to call out Fe and didn't relent anywhere for the rest of the phase. That would be a pretty hard bus to swallow. Which is making me look rather askance at Nobody Special.

The problem with Fe is that he was so obviously scum and so bad at defending himself that I can see one or both of his buddies long bussing him almost from the moment I called him out and Fe started to stumble. Here are the people who had interactions with Fe that struck me as off:

Bork was on the fence about Fe for most of yesterday, and never ended up on his wagon. I wanted to mess with him for a bit.

Nacho comes out of the gate and calls Fe "town" and a bad lynch, but ends up voting for Fe. Was Nacho initially trying to save Fe and then surrendered to the fact the guy was found?

Majiffy - he has no qualms with long-bussing, but meta alone isn't enough. My biggest 'wtf' moment yesterday was when Fe posted his reads calling Majiffy super town and "town leader" (Post #456), and then in his very next post Majiffy plummets to scum in Fe's reads (Post #473) .

In between Fe's two posts pirate mollie makes a very awkward "lol wouldn't it be funny if Fe just called out his scum buddies"

.

Here is what I think happened. Fe knew he was going down so Fe tried to help out his scum buddy Majiffy by calling him town leader. When pirate called him out on that, Fe quickly scrambled and plummeted Majiffy to scum with very weak reasoning ... something along the lines of "I read the game again and decided Majiffy is scum". Majiffy then responded by saying Fe claimed scum in an obvious distancing and hard bus.

Pirate is pure null to me.

NS' back and forth makes no sense from a scum perspective when Fe was receiving so much heat. He is a pretty blatantly the fall guy right now.

VOTE: Majiffy

lol, what was awkward about that post? I have seen newb scum do this not just once but twice. as in the only reads that they will give are that their scum buddies are town. did you see the banter between kmd and majiffy after that whole exchange.

penguin person made a great case on nobody special on d1 did you read that?

[pirate mollie]

I'd sooner vote KMD than Majiffy right now. I also don't understand what Majiffy did that could be considered "full bus mode" that would cause Fe to have dropped Majiffy from town to scum since if he were bussing, he'd have been doing so since #363 and that was well before Fe called him town leader in #456.

I am fine with lynching nobody special, kmd and majiffy cos I think fe gave us his scum team and I want to test that theory. if the consensus is to go with a kmd lynch I will move my vote.

[pirate mollie]

eta: hey buldey!

[pirate mollie]

the same crew in so many different games
it's like i'm trapped in a mafia game that i can never escape

lol

[pirate mollie]

more lol

[pirate mollie]

@ buldemar - rachemarie has given a general warning to all of the players to try to keep it friendly but majiffy is majiffy can we plz get not into that.

@ nacho - I don't think the bw on majiffy is completely dumb but whatever. insinuating that fe go from a town read to a scum read with me provoking him is essentially saying that fe is capable of smart scum play so tell do you know something that I don't. and I do not get as to why you think NS is town for trying to get you lynched you will have to unpack that for me if you can be bothered.

I am okay with one of those 3 getting lynched!

VOTE: kmd

[pirate mollie]

insinuating that fe go from a town read to a scum read with me provoking him is essentially saying that fe is capable of smart scum play so tell do you know something that I don't.

weak scum don't make big moves with scumpartners
they slot them in town or null slots or slightly scummy slots, and they don't interact often
they are scared to change them because people will question them and then people will attack them, and that is scary
and the entire case on majiffy is that you scared him into calling majiffy scum? nah. you scared him enough for him to do something new. you didn't scare him enough to bus.

except why would it scare if that was not something he had actually done? if he didn't hand us his scum team why would he be scared he would have been jubilant that someone might actually follow through with that idea if he wasn't nervous about something.

I never underestimate how players can make such dumb mistakes it is usually town that does this but I have seen scum make some doozies like vote for dead players and shit. I have also seen newb scum do exactly what I am theorizing that fe did not once but twice. his read on majiffy looked like pure panic and again what was he panicking over if majiffy was not on his team.

i can be bothered but i don't know what more you want

I don't follow your reasoning with ns being town for the reasons you gave. is it a meta read?

[pirate mollie]

Somebody either vote thedirector with me or convince me he's town.

why are you so suspicious of him? I forget........

[pirate mollie]

And the townish thing to do would be to share those reasons with us.

Oh god I hope I can appear townish.

No, this is why I'm voting you. Irreverence is generally scummy.

irreverence is not a scumtell though no matter how much you want it to be. it is a playstyle.

[pirate mollie]

I'm literally sitting here with a flow chart and you are making excellent points.

what are the excellent points that you think she is making?

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: Maenara

okay nacho I hear you. this vote makes me like you more majiffy. in the newbie game with maenara I was also playing the titanium game with her. I knew she was not of the same alignment in both games but wasn't sure which. in the titanium game she went to great pains to bitch and moan and how awful my posts were every 5 minutes and in the newb game she was almost downright polite except to say "I always find mollie scummy". if kmd flipped town then she was who I was going to be gunning for.

[pirate mollie]

eta: I will only vote for either a kmd or a nobody special.

majiffy what made you do a hard reset on kmd

[pirate mollie]

Disliking the nature of the wagon.

but kmd has done nothing to convince you he is town?

[pirate mollie]

but you were all like "lynch kmd cos he is scum gogogogo" and now it looks like you are trying to shift the bw from kmd without giving a good reason as to why maenara looks scummier than kmd when you were willing to bet me that kmd would flip scum

[pirate mollie]

Have you read the last two or three posts by Maenara?

so are you saying that maenara looks scummier than kmd? I can't tell....

[pirate mollie]

do you want to point out why maenara looks scummier than kmd whom you have had a firm scum read on since the beginning?

[pirate mollie]

guys I seriously wanted to test my theory out and was willing to backpedal on a town read of kmd. can we not even try?

[pirate mollie]

guys I seriously wanted to test my theory out and was willing to backpedal on a town read of kmd. can we not even try?

we can when maenara is dead
and then we can lynch ls

nono
nonono
if maenara flips town (and I won't be voting her btw) then we should test my theory on kmd and ns. you cannot even provide a good defense can you except for ns (and that wasn't so good).

[pirate mollie]

if maenara flips scum then yes. I will stop pushing my pet theory. cos obviously it will hold no merit.

[pirate mollie]

I would like for maenara to claim before you guys get so gung ho and lynch her. would also like to hear her responses other than the "bloody eat a dick town" that she has posted so far. that the only thing she has offered so far is "mollie always looks scummy to me" is pretty scummy although she did hop on the kmd wagon I am just not sure why exactly. this kind of looks like her scum game but I would be surprised if I got a good grasp of her meta from only 2 games but hey sometimes I'll have a brilliant moment.

also majiffy, do you still have a scum read on kmd? if not what changed?

[pirate mollie]

Claim? Why in the name of all that's good and unholy would I claim?

Like we literally just established, the only thing I've been accused of so far is twisting KMD's words. Which, by the way, LS & Majiffy, is not a scummy thing to do. I didn't lie about what he said, and I gave him the chance to either elaborate and explain himself, or to dig a deeper hole. No different from any other way of forcing a reaction from scum.

cos you are at L2. the best time to claim really.

[pirate mollie]

I really don't have time for your bull, KMD. I'll be frank, I don't like you. In fact I don't like most of this field. It is full of sheeping pansies who can't make an argument to save their life. And I'm not here to read dissertations about why your latest man-love isn't responding to your emotions.

I want cold hard facts

.

fe was who was lynched on d1.
malacat was town lynched on d2.

those are the facts. hth

we work from there ------>

[pirate mollie]

I really don't have time for your bull, KMD. I'll be frank, I don't like you. In fact I don't like most of this field. It is full of sheeping pansies who can't make an argument to save their life. And I'm not here to read dissertations about why your latest man-love isn't responding to your emotions.

I want cold hard facts

.

fe was who was lynched on d1.
malacat was town nked on d2.

those are the facts. hth

we work from there ------>

corrected.

[pirate mollie]

Because scum were banking on a kmd mislynch?

what would this have to do with a nk choice?

I don't know, I don't really subscribe to bullshit WIFOM reasoning such as this. Do you think he is scum?

well his vote is on him and he has pushing for his lynch in this entire day round so

[pirate mollie]

what would this have to do with a nk choice?

You can leave town leaders alive if they are leading the town off a cliff.

but majiffy caught scum on d1 and today you are sheeping him so

[pirate mollie]

I'm being voted for gut and for twisting KMD's words to put him on the spot. The latter is not a lie, I did do that (Though I didn't make him out to have said something he hadn't), and the former has that lovely property of being totally unaccountable.

Of course, there's likely to be some scum on me, but I strongly doubt both are there. After all, why not gain town-cred by not being on the wrong wagon?

Like, say, mollie. Who has done a stellar job of asking people what they thought, and why they thought it, and why they didn't think something else, and asking people to claim, and generally doing no scum hunting at all if she can avoid it. Look at her ISO - Tell me when she ain't reacting to people, but instead doing something on her own accord. It doesn't fit her usual play, sir, no it doesn't.

While I'm at it:

VOTE: pirate mollie

(( Doing that never gets old. ))

seriously maenara if you are going to be blatantly retarded with me in every single game we play together maybe you should look at the player list before volunteering to sub in and make sure I am not on it. if you are town it is seriously fucking up your game cos right now you are looking like pondscum. I have seen you put forth a pretty good defense what you are doing here is pathetic.

the only reason I am not voting you right now is because I want to test my pet theory. I am with the director I think fe fucked up with his little list. have you even bothered to read the thread? if you read posts only in iso things won't make much sense but if you read things in the

context

in which they were posted in then they will.

[pirate mollie]

Thanks for reminding me how scummy you are, LS. Those posts are gold mines of bussing.

LS you probably should answer this cause Majiffy knows a thing or two about bussing. Also his "flow chart" business seems to have been swept under the rug with little to no explanation.

Pirate - for now I'm going to respect you keeping your cards close to the chest about your pet theory, but eventually you are going to need to reveal it. Maybe a teaser?

This game has become stagnated again ... I might have to *gulp* effort post again. Every time I shake the tree the same few names fall out, and I'm at the point I don't care which of those names is flipped.

*le sigh*

I am not keeping anything close to my chest. I have pretty much laid out my thoughts. on this very page. I think fe fucked up with his town list and his panic afterwards shows it. it is the very same thing that you responded to so in my eyes we are either both being retarded town or we are onto something.

what is throwing me for a loop is that maenara is a pretty good player IMO. this is shit play for her. she never came under fire in the newbie game we played together but she did in myko's game. I want to see more of her not less.

@ majiffy I believe I asked you a question.

[pirate mollie]

This game makes me question my faith in humanity.

your face is making me question my faith in humanity.

no seriously we are either both retarded town or we should be doing a hard reset. problem is that I have not been given an answer why we should do that.

what do you think of maenara

[pirate mollie]

what would this have to do with a nk choice?

You can leave town leaders alive if they are leading the town off a cliff.

but majiffy caught scum on d1 and today you are sheeping him so

catching d1 doesn't mean you're going to catch scum d2

.
i've had a game where i executed scum d1 then was kept alive to lead the rest of the town to fucktard land.

the director is hilariously town, living in his conspiracy world

obviously not, but scum can only know that in hindsight.

[pirate mollie]

Just for the sake of argument, this was what I'd written when I realized that I was a n idiot, and heading down the wrong track:

Spoiler: Wall of Crud

...

Okay, listen here, chucklenuts. If anybody is going to tell me I suck, it'd better be my own damn self, or at least some other person not currently riding the express train to Crazy Town.

You want changed playstyle? You'll have your fucking changed playstyle.

Let's take your problems with my previous post first, shall we? "An appeal to emotion", you call it, because I dare speculate upon the scum distribution on my wagon. Because I, in my own words, call it a mislynch. Well, champ, there's a wee fucking problem with that; namely, the fact that

any

conscientious townie would call the wagon on them a mislynch, because that's what it'd bloody be, by merit of them not being scum! "Aha," you might then say, "But how can we know that you're town?" Well, dearie, you can't. For now. But chances are, or at least were, that I might end up hammered anyhow, and if that were to be the case, I figured that perhaps I'd get a few thoughts jotted down before one such event took place, as you'd then, later, know for a fact that these opinions did not, in fact, originate with any person playing as scum - I'd be dead, but I'd also be a confirmed townie, so you'd have that to work with.

Elementary? I dare say, yes.

Now, on to the actual game itself. Let us start with the person whom I am currently voting, shall we? Pirate Mollie, yes:

I thought, at least initially, that she'd be town, if only due to her absolutely ridiculous reaction to the "Daykill", but I have seen almost no investigative scumhunting from her side. "How do you think this person looks?", "I think that so and so", "IMO this is that" and so on, and so forth. There is no substance to her posts, no proper arguments, no solid positions she's taking. It feels as if she's doing her outmost to stay on everyone's good side, which is just not what town ought to. She's reacting to others, yes, but where is her own initiative? Look at her ISO, just skim it if nothing else, and consider what I said.

But fine. If y'all think she's stupidly town, so be it. At the moment, I'm trying to find arguments for anyone being scum, and conversely, for why they're not - Town constantly goes bugfuck insane by focusing on one person, and being unable to ignore them until they're dead. That's good, if they're scum, but more often than not, they aren't. So let us say Mollie is town, then, for now. And let us look at others.

KMD, I believe, has already been covered, so I'll ignore him for now. Nobody Special is hard to say much about, as he hasn't said much himself. I would leave him be for now, and hold him accountable tomorrow instead, for I reckon that will prove far more beneficial. Fe is dead, and hardly merits much comment, and thus we come to you.

You haven't been too consistent, lately. [This is when I tried to find arguments that supported this, found none, decided to shut up and multiply]

hey maenara...stop fucking misrepping me okay? the potential for me to go nuclear on your ass is pretty high and rachmarie has already said she wants to try to keep it somewhat civil.

I fingered fe on d1 for rolefishing. malacat shut that convo down which made her look specially and probably why she was nk. have you put that together yet? after mala shut down the convo I to defend myself against dummies who were trying to say that

I

was the one doing the rolefishing when it should be obvious that I wasn't I was going after fe for it.

I think fe fucked up with his mini-list. I have said that since the start of the day. I personally would rather lynch nobody special - hello does anyone see this person skating cos I do! he is avoiding this game like the plague while posting in other ones. do you want to see who is not scumhunting? him. and people are giving him a pass.

the only thing that is throwing a spanner in my pet theory (and I think we should at least give my pet theory a try) is nacho's hard wking of of majiffy. from what I have noticed those 2 tend to go at it and in this game they are kind of staying away from each other. plus nacho's arguments are terrible like really, he isn't making any sense.

but I am sticking with my pet theory, I am good with either a kmd or a nobody special lynch. I am even backpedaling on my town read on kmd in order to see if I am on to something. majiffy is in that pet theory too but I do not want to test my theory out on him in case I am wrong. games are boring without majiffy.

I do not need to post long winded posts in order to prove I am scumhunting I scumhunt through interactions I have with other players along with looking at their posts and determining if they are town motivated. you know this we have been over it in 2 games I even provided a total of 18 links where I was town and scum and my playstyle is pretty much the same. it changes a bit when I am dealing with different people but most of it is the same.

the problem you have with me is with my playstyle and that sucks for town cos I am going to take a stab that you are town too or you would not be trying to push for my lynch with the retarded reasons you have so generously provided. it especially sucks for me cos I was enjoying this game and I was here first. you coming in with a predetermined bias cos you don't like me is just shitty and douchey and I again appeal to the better part of yourself and not sign-up or sub into any game that I am in if you are going to want me out of the game based on personality alone.

also you shouldn't try to use meta unless you are a very experienced player so unless you have been lying about being so new then you probably should not use it.

I think kmd looks more town than nobody special so i am back onto nobody special. he has been doing the thread avoidance thing and I suspect actively lurking.

UNVOTE: kmd

VOTE: nobody special

[pirate mollie]

@KMD - In a game I played with Majiffy he bussed his partner over the course of two days, as in he literally tried to get his scum buddy killed D1, and when he failed, he tried again and succeeded D2. I know there are no heroes among thieves, but Majiffy takes that to an extreme. So my town read on Majiffy has nothing to do with the fact he was on the Fe wagon, in fact I so badly want to nail-gun a scum read on him and dance while he swings as I laugh like a crazy person, but he is town due to the fact the Fe was answering everything Majiffy said to him. Paranoid scum don't like talking to other scum, but they do like talking to town, especially those as aggressive as Majiffy.

hhhmm...have you ever heard of scum theatre?

[pirate mollie]

Well if that wasn't a scummy succession of posts I don't know what is.

which ones

[pirate mollie]

I don't think so

[pirate mollie]

It's ok. Are you bussing him?

are you suspicious of nacho?

[pirate mollie]

but LS isn't going to flip scum is he

[pirate mollie]

on what grounds

[pirate mollie]

post #121 is the only one that I see. and it was for weak reasoning.

[pirate mollie]

post #121 in your iso. it is #797 in the game thread.

[pirate mollie]

aaaaaand borky is town

[pirate mollie]

I don't think I like the last survivor lynch very much.

[pirate mollie]

I don't think I like the last survivor lynch very much.

Yeah well I don't like you very much.

yes you do

[pirate mollie]

if I unstuck myself from my pet theory for five minutes I would go with maenara being scum.

[pirate mollie]

Why?

scum don't usually give reads right before they go down. they run the risk of possibly highlighting their scummates or clearing town. he is actively fosing majiffy and nacho.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie, they do if they want to look just town enough to let a wagon form elsewhere.

what do you think the likelihood of a second bw forming on someone other than him is? not very high IMO the votes are alll spread out. in fact the lack of a competing bw is somewhat worrisome cos it means town is not coming together like it should if last flips town. it seems to me that he is being lynched for poor reasoning and yet it is poor reasoning that is being to lynch him in the first place which I find kind of funny.

last strikes me as an experienced player and an experienced player knows when they are going down. so as scum it is hard to imagine that he would ignore the golden rule of don't incriminate your teammates and don't give town any wriggle room as far handing out town reads. if he flips scum I would be surprised.

I think maenara looks objectively scummier if I abandoned my pet theory for five minutes. her votes look opportunistic as fuck. first she votes for you and I probably need to look at that early wagon and see who was on it and why if I go with my gut and give you a town read. if you are scum then aiyiyi you are good very good. you look and sound exactly what I would expect town to say. I really liked post #942, there is so much in that post that I agree with that it makes me want to pepper it with cheerleader smilies. we have a similar set of ideas about the game and how it is played but all of that is null cos good scum could pull that off to.

back to maenara, her next vote was on me but reasons she could not adequately explain. "mollie always looks scummy to me" holds no weight when you cannot back it up and she couldn't. I think she was counting on my unlikeableness to try to push for a lynch which attracted a majiffy vote. she dropped her case on me like a hot potato and I have pushed her and she has not pushed back and is now looking for a convenient bw to switch to (last's) in order to avoid the Eye of Majiffy. that is scummy behaviour. if maenara flips scum then I would move majiffy into the firm town category cos his timing was good with that. if maenara flips scum I would take a harder look at the director only because he seemed absolutely jubilant that I had momentarily put maenara in my town category and went after majiffy after giving him a town read without any good indication as to why. majiffy had not done anything scummy in between the town read and the scum read the problem that I have is that the director seems more crazy than anything else and we are thinking in similar ways so ugh I have him as town.

nacho is in some ways one of my stronger town reads cos of 2 things; his hardcore wking of majiffy and his seemingly genuine confusion "this game is strange". that comment is a stronger town tell more than anything IMO. the wking of majiffy is a relative tell that I do not have a solid basis for except to look at the motivation behind it. I am not sure if as scum nacho would wk a scummate so hard nor do I see him wk a town majiffy unless he had an expected return and I don't think majiffy would give him that just cos nacho is wking him. looking at nacho's and majiffy's interactions I would say that they were on the same team but it could be scum but I find it unlikely if last flips scum. I am just uncertain that last will flip scum and if he flips town I get to spend a whole nother day being paranoid and clinging to my pet theory when it is starting feel counter-intuitive at this point.

buldey and borky feel like town.

I had penguin person as town cos of his case on nobody special and I agreed with what he was saying I am still trying to understand why he is being given as big of a pass as he is. he is doing literally nothing. his putting last at L1 doesn't make me feel particularly good about him especially since he isn't providing a solid reasoning for it and no trail as to how he got there. penguin person's questioning of you on your townish read on me is ambiguous and I would need a flip in order to see how they reacted to that and who they went after.

uct is totally off my radar which is worrisome. like I have no read. sometimes when I have no desire to interact with a person they will later flip scum.

anyways this is me brain dumping before last is hammered cos I don't think I could convince anyone to move to maenara if I were to unstick from my pet theory which I am not entirely sure if should. if last flips scum then obviously I am abandoning it.

[pirate mollie]

why is nobody special not being put under more pressure than he has been? seriously. he has been steadily active in other games and is avoiding this one like the plague. see this is why I am not ready to give up my pet theory despite me being able to see other players as possibly town.

uct is totally off my radar which is worrisome. like I have no read. sometimes when I have no desire to interact with a person they will later flip scum.

:[

well its true! and you are not interacting with me either.

[pirate mollie]

hhhhmmm....

shut up buldey

[pirate mollie]

mollie, why does your signature not say anything?

pm it to me

[pirate mollie]

in other words he was trying to gauge your SOH.

I am back on my pet theory unless we want lynch maenara. but even then I am waffling.

[pirate mollie]

so what do you think of my pet theory buldey?

[pirate mollie]

What is going on in this game right now?

buldey is being a dummy.

let's move along ----->

[pirate mollie]

did you not read my posts

eta: that is to the post prior

[pirate mollie]

He is acting like a crazy person.

he is a crazy person

[pirate mollie]

did you not read my posts

eta: that is to the post prior

I've read every post in this game but not taken my time to understand it all in details. I'll try to if you tell me which post to read more carefully.

read back when fe first posted that he thought majiffy and kmd were town. then follow the thread from that point.

[pirate mollie]

so vote him. he fits in with my pet theory.

[pirate mollie]

did you think that ls was scum? you stayed away from that bw as I recall.

[pirate mollie]

^ scum motivated

[pirate mollie]

lol

what do you think of kmd now?

[pirate mollie]

step it up

[pirate mollie]

well that did not happen so where are you landing now

[pirate mollie]

no

[pirate mollie]

what happened to you wanting to vote maenara?

[pirate mollie]

okay. that makes me not want to lynch nobody's special

at all

.

VOTE: kmd

[pirate mollie]

thinking last was right and the other 2 scum are majiffy and nacho. majiffy and kmd are the reasons I have held onto my pet theory. pretty sure they are both scum based on fe's posts and their responses to fe's posts.

[pirate mollie]

I'm stuck between an Uct vote and NS vote I think. I feel like off fe wagon and on last wagon is a list we should look at. Let's see if anyone fits it.

Off fe: maenara me bork fizz
On last: me nacho bork maenara ns director

Hmm. This is where i'd usually say one of maenara/bork is scum. But I'm pretry positive maenara is town. Bork has been a town read for me. Uct and NS have been scummier than bork. Hell, fizz was scummier but day 1 counter wagon and all that.

I want to look back and see if bork makes sense as a Fe buddy. But working at wal mart just before Christmas and a second job on top of that has murdered me so it might be a bit before I do it.

--------

Mollie, you keep talking about your "pet theory". I already know it's wrong. However NS might be scum. If you believe the theory, it doesn't matter whether you vote NS or me. I'm half tempted to offer this up:
-lynch NS today
---if he flips scum, I'll eat rope without a fight
---if he flips town, theory is dead and I don't have to hear about it anymore

From your point of view, this is a gold mine for you. If your theory is right, town wins right away and I am a dumbass for offering up my scum buddy and volunteering to die immediately. If your theory is wrong, but NS is scum, good for town. Just one more to find. If your theory is wrong and NS is town, it kind of sucks but at least we prove the theory was wrong and NS's scumminess isn't distracting us but that is definitely worst case scenario.

vote nobody special

for now. Might switch to uct or bork at some point but can't see myself being excited for any lynch other than those in the near future.

wrt the bold: kmd left out majiffy in his list lol!!!!!! also that is a whole lot of hedge you are offering up there for uct and borky. <------ your flip will provide info on those 2 players as in they will probably be town if you flip scum.

@ the director - kmd today, if he flips scum, majiffy tomorrow.

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE: kmd

not until more people have checked in. town needs to form some cohesion and while I think we are getting there we are not entirely there yet.

would like to hear from maenara and more from penguin person.

also merry xmas everyone!

[pirate mollie]

are you a science major kmd?

[pirate mollie]

the director has generally at least been active and scum-hunting during the game (although if he'd like to explain what he thinks I've done that's suspicious that'd be cool)

1. You were part of the starting cast on page one and have posted a grand total of 28 times. That is less than one post per page. That is like 2% of the over 1000 posts in the game. If this isn't the definition of active lurking, I don't know what is.

2. Despite your active lurking, as soon as LS was hammered you were in thread and posting and immediately got on my case for hammering LS without a claim. This leads me to believe you know what LS was going to flip and wanted to look like a town angry that LS hadn't had time to claim. It also leads me to believe that you are keeping up with the game but are just to scared to post so you are posting a bit here and there and just riding the days to get to your night kill.

You aren't hiding in the shadows anymore. I'm going to shine the limelight on you and watch you dance.

VOTE: penguin

good points.

[pirate mollie]

Uct, that the pet theory mollie keeps bringing up is wrong.

She seems to be a good scumhunter and can probably help this town once we have a town flip from me or NS

. If we lynch NS today like I originally proposed, there's still a chance he flips scum in which case I die anyway under my proposal.

Think about it:
-Lynch NS
---He flips scum. There's still the distraction of the theory.
---He flips town. Problem solved as far as the theory, but we lost a lynch.
-Lynch me
---I'll flip town and this BS is behind us and the game can go on. NS can still be lynched, but for his play, not the theory

so you are saying that you and nobody special are more expendable than I am? lol and you came to this conclusion how?

what is the basis that you think that I am a good scum hunter? maenara read my posts in iso and she is a nitpicker and doesn't think that I have done any scumhunting in this game. I disagree but I think it is cos she does not know what she is looking at wtr's to me and as far as scumhunting tools. that you have been treating me like a good player right from the start makes me think that a) you do or b) you know my alignment. you don't know me so A makes no sense so I am going with B.

I only have 2 completed games and town lost so your self emo vote definitely makes no sense except from a scum manipulation POV. you, a 4 year vet with an impressive wiki page sacrificing yourself in order to disprove my pet theory-----> do you see why I have a problem with this? this makes no sense from a town perspective. it looks like you are doing a last ditch effort of cosying up and aTe.

town motivated posts>>>town play>>>town read>>>see how the greater than symbol points away from you?

there have also been a shit load of associative tells between you and majiffy. I have majiffy down as a scum read based on meta which I know he hates but your flip will confirm it if you are scum. your flip will actually also clear up a lot of things so thanks for helping us out with your self-vote.

I asked if you were a science major cos of the way you process things. you remind me of my first mafia mentor years ago except you are not a paleontologist professor at calgary who spams my comments section with omg shut up, what is wrong with you, stfu diva, stop melting down already or start bizarre drunken staff discussions at 2am through pm. you are also not an arrogant asshole (but I like him anyway and he is fun to fight with).

if you are town then I am wrong about all of this obviously. I just don't think I am. my vote will be on you at the end of the day I am trying to just allow for more town cohesion to form but it looks like they may possibly resort to eating their own. in short, you and majiffy tripped yourselves up from the get go with fe and one of you needs to be lynched for it and I think it should be you cos you will provide the most info.

I think the current bw on penguin while has solid basis with what the director has provided is essentially as good as the on one last so----> not so good. some of you need to remove your votes.

[pirate mollie]

nacho:

A plethora of reasons, many of which are nonpublic for the moment.

Besides, you're

always

scum. Right?

You can give me two reasons.
Also I'm very rarely scum. I feel like we've played a lot of games together, and you've been scum in like 90% of them and I've been town like 80% of them...

did you just use a gambler's fallacy here? LOLOLOLOL

so what changed since this train of thought?

was he trying to protect kmd?

also this one:

The Majiffy wagon is really, really stupid.
Also not convinced with NS. If he was trying to defend his buddy, I really don't think he'd try to lynch me, of all people. No one (except for bork, but bork is crazy) was talking about the scumread on me, so it wasn't exactly opportunistic. And he didn't vote Fizz, which would have been a hell of a lot more telling to me. So yeah, calling him town.

Don't really like Lastsurvivor right now, and might sheep Majiffy onto kmd. Might.

the only difference I see is who is in the lynch lead and you are going for soft saves. gentle steering.

I never underestimate how players can make such dumb mistakes it is usually town that does this but I have seen scum make some doozies like vote for dead players and shit. I have also seen newb scum do exactly what I am theorizing that fe did not once but twice. his read on majiffy looked like pure panic and again what was he panicking over if majiffy was not on his team.

over getting himself lynched and lurking too much?
what do you think that wall was? a panic wall.
and the interactions with majiffy are just... no. they aren't scumpartners responding to each other. it is fe trying to convince someone that he thinks is the town leader that he is scum. i mean, look in contrast to his interactions with kmd. he sees kmd defending him, he defends kmd back for "going against the grain" and it is the only read he puts effort into actually explaining. meanwhile, majiffy interactions are mostly fe responding to 'jiffy, and they are pretty much the exact same as his interactions with you when he questions you. when kmd questions him, he gives a short answer because he's like "oh it's my scumpartner no need to convince him and i don't want to get caught with this "/

i also don't like cases based solely on interactions

, and i see nothing else from 'jiffy that makes him scum
nothing else at all

call bs on the part wrt the bold. what is super funny about this one is how you are saying you do not like cases built solely on interactions but that is exactly what you are doing with your 180 on majiffy. LOL

[pirate mollie]

Meh. I still think we will find scum in uct/ns/bork. I haven't really addressed penguin because that's been a solid town read for me and everyone had seemed to agree up until now.

Mollie, I actually would never survive as a science major. I took the bare minimum for science classes in both high school and college.

Let me spill the beans on my majiffy read. I do think there is a chance he's scum. I've been putting this off because (was it director?) said that majiffy loves to bus as scum (I used to be the same way lol). If that's the case and he already brought us Fe, I was kind of hoping he would lead us to another scum and then we could lynch him for the win. That's part of what made me so excited when he was supporting my LastWagon. But then Last flipped town and for the second day in a row, I was dead wrong which is really weird for me. And at the same time, another game just ended where I was dead wrong. Like this is to the point where I feel like I need to change my whole approach to mafia again, which does happen as the game evolves. Anyone who has been around a few years will understand. For example, nacho isn't the same player he was when he first came to the site.

But anyway, back to Majiffy.

Is he scum who bussed Day 1, saw it wasn't working, and ran a bussing-style lynch on a townie? Or is he town who just got it right Day 1

? Honestly, his play looks town other than that and it's hard to lynch someone for a bussing meta because if he's a good scumhunter, it just means his bussing meta will screw him in his better town games.

But yeah, I've been hesitant to share all of this just in case he was scum who decided to bus.

I don't know. Part of me wants the game over with so I can evaluate the changes the game has gone through. There has to be a reason for this slump.

wow you still managed to dodge my questions with all of these words.

wrt the bold: those 2 sentences do not parse, fe flipped scum so where is the motivation for majiffy being scum with running a bussing style lynch on a town player who did not actually turn out to be town????? that scenario did not even take place so why are are you even introducing it.

[pirate mollie]

did you just use a gambler's fallacy here? LOLOLOLOL

No he didn't, that would be an interpretation. He made no such interpretation, he merely stated stats which, for all we know, could be accurate.

point conceded

[pirate mollie]

Bork why am I included in your list in #1073?

It's a gut thing mostly based on your brief interaction with me around ~440. Not much has changed about my opinion of you since then. I've been going back and forth on whether or not asking about this is a towntell or not and I think that self aware scum might do it too so I'm calling it null.

Mollie that gambler's fallacy stuff from Nacho is tongue-in-cheek (and is an appropriate response as any to the original silly question from NS anyway). I find it odd you're calling attention to it.

I find it odd that you find it odd.

it should be obvious that I was reading nacho's posts in iso and I cam across it. I conceded the point to buldey that nacho was not using it as an argument however I am not ruling out the implication piece that would certainly go along with it wit the original intent of the post. ----> looking at body of work and still haven't entirely solidified my opinion.

[pirate mollie]

Penguin lynch is a horrible idea.

I actually agree with this.

[pirate mollie]

Can the above be simplified? I need a road map about halfway through the first sentence.

I actually could follow all of that. in other words projection isn't a scumtell.

[pirate mollie]

I am revisiting this post and breaking it down a bit. I was a bit dismissive and maybe rude earlier, I was trying to shake you down a bit and I still say there is strong indication that you might be scum.

Meh. I still think we will find scum in uct/ns/bork. I haven't really addressed penguin because that's been a solid town read for me and everyone had seemed to agree up until now.

I have had penguin person as a solid town read too although I think the director brought up good points. I hope it doesn't scare her instead I hope it gets her more active.

Let me spill the beans on my majiffy read. I do think there is a chance he's scum. I've been putting this off because (was it director?) said that majiffy loves to bus as scum (I used to be the same way lol).

he does love to bus as scum. and he is fucking retarded about it IMO. I knew this at the start of the game cos we already had a convo about it just discussing scum play in general. heavier meta read pending maybe.

If that's the case and he already brought us Fe, I was kind of hoping he would lead us to another scum and then we could lynch him for the win.

well if majiffy is scum he kind of did when he went after you before fe.

That's part of what made me so excited when he was supporting my LastWagon. But then Last flipped town and for the second day in a row, I was dead wrong which is really weird for me. And at the same time, another game just ended where I was dead wrong. Like this is to the point where I feel like I need to change my whole approach to mafia again, which does happen as the game evolves. Anyone who has been around a few years will understand. For example, nacho isn't the same player he was when he first came to the site.

players evolve and so does site meta, lol. a hard reset is required if you are town and you have been trolleytracking on town players. do you feel like that is what you have been doing? if so I have not noticed it.

But anyway, back to Majiffy. Is he scum who bussed Day 1, saw it wasn't working, and ran a bussing-style lynch on a townie? Or is he town who just got it right Day 1? Honestly, his play looks town other than that and it's hard to lynch someone for a bussing meta because if he's a good scumhunter, it just means his bussing meta will screw him in his better town games.

well yeah. you still haven't explained why you think I am a good scumhunter though.

But yeah, I've been hesitant to share all of this just in case he was scum who decided to bus.

lol

I don't know. Part of me wants the game over with so I can evaluate the changes the game has gone through. There has to be a reason for this slump.

could you clarify what you mean by slump tia

[pirate mollie]

Bork why am I included in your list in #1073?

It's a gut thing mostly based on your brief interaction with me around ~440. Not much has changed about my opinion of you since then. I've been going back and forth on whether or not asking about this is a towntell or not and I think that self aware scum might do it too so I'm calling it null.

Mollie that gambler's fallacy stuff from Nacho is tongue-in-cheek (and is an appropriate response as any to the original silly question from NS anyway). I find it odd you're calling attention to it.

I find it odd that you find it odd.

it should be obvious that I was reading nacho's posts in iso and I cam across it. I conceded the point to buldey that nacho was not using it as an argument however I am not ruling out the implication piece that would certainly go along with it wit the original intent of the post. ----> looking at body of work and still haven't entirely solidified my opinion.

I find it odd that you find it odd that he finds it odd.

I don't think it was obvious at all that you were reading Nacho's posts in ISO. In fact, when I pointed out that he wasn't actively applied the fallacy, I thought it was suspicious that you brought it up because

that

appeared obvious to me.

you pointed out the flaws in the reasoning for me pointing out what I thought was an implicated fallacy after I already made the post in which I already pointed what I thought were implicated in the original post he made. hth

I conceded your point that he was not using this as an argument so no, no gambler's fallacy.

I was reading his posts in iso, which is something I rarely do and there might be a reason for it!

[pirate mollie]

erm no, it needs to happen if town wants to find town. I have buldey as town and leaning towards maenara (although she has exhibited scummy behaviour) they need to have a talk if we are lynching kmd (which we really need to do, or you).

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: kmd

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE: kmd[/kmd]

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE: kmd

tbh you do not even want to tangle with me in the mood I am in

[pirate mollie]

I think the kmd lynch would be a good idea. I think that uct is probably town cos of how petulant he sounded cos kmd is addressing me and ignoring him. I think penguin is town.

majiffy is a hardcore busser. I think he attempted to bus kmd from the get go in order to gain town cred on finding scum amongst a really good player. how do I know this? cos he has said this and he bussed me and got caught out in the recent tr game which only implicated himself. he switched to fe when kmd showed resistance and he is not giving a read on kmd now he is merely wanting to vote him based off of that 1 post. majiffy screams about cases but wants kmd lynched with not remembering why he had him as scum in the first place.

I think a scumkmd will directly point to majiffy.

[pirate mollie]

fuck it

VOTE: kmd

[pirate mollie]

eta: I don't give a shit how likeable you are.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie, I haven't ignored anyone. If I missed something, quote it for me.

how can I quote something that you are ignoring? uct is wanting interaction with you and you are pawning off simple sentences while making eulogies to my posts.

eta: the director you are a dummy. but carry on

[pirate mollie]

Mollie you're bad and you should feel bad. I'll address why once I sober up and have some time, but in the meantime you should vote Uct because your KMD vote is awful.

I am not voting uct, I think uct is town. I am voting kmd cos I don't think he is although I could easily go for you cos I am still cross with you and I think you are scum.

I have strong town reads on the director, borky, buldey and to some degree maenara I guess I just wish she would be more helpful. I go back and forth on nacho like I could seriously go either way with him. I am not seeing

any at all whatsoever

the sharp and sophisticated analysis from him that I am used to seeing. I had a strong town read on penguin person and I find it interesting how kmd seems to be backtracking on his. looks like he is fishing for another lynch.

[pirate mollie]

I think the kmd lynch would be a good idea. I think that uct is probably town cos of how petulant he sounded cos kmd is addressing me and ignoring him. I think penguin is town.

majiffy is a hardcore busser. I think he attempted to bus kmd from the get go in order to gain town cred on finding scum amongst a really good player. how do I know this? cos he has said this and he bussed me and got caught out in the recent tr game which only implicated himself. he switched to fe when kmd showed resistance and he is not giving a read on kmd now he is merely wanting to vote him based off of that 1 post. majiffy screams about cases but wants kmd lynched with not remembering why he had him as scum in the first place.

I think a scumkmd will directly point to majiffy.

That game is still ongoing, so you probably should not talk about it.

I agree with you, though.

no, it had just ended when I posted this. our last scum begged the gm to kill her off. raven has been wanting to catch me out as scum forever and she never could until now. grrrrr......

[pirate mollie]

I wanted to come back and respond to this cos some of it seemed genuine. fyi scum can come across as genuine too.

On majiffy, I already know you are wrong on him bussing me after fe. So if he's scum, this isn't the case from my point of view. So that really doesn't help my thinking and it won't help yours after I'm dead.

As for the issues with my play, and I want to keep this brief because it may be a bit off topic, it seems like certain things that used to be town tells no longer are. Like someone will drop one of those obvtown tells, and I'll see them as town for the majority of the game. Then they flip scum and I'm all WTF. In the past, these tells would lead me to enough strong town reads to nail the scum by process of elimination. Maybe it's time to stop townhunting and scumhunt more? I don't really know, but I'll figure it out at some point.

well that is how I play too - I work from the inside out. I try to find town in order to form a cabal by d3 and it has been my experience that town wins more games that way. I am more likely to confuse special tells with scum tells and if I get knocked off balance I will force out every single special in a game lol.

The vibe I get from your posts is just that you seem to be a good player. Sure, I don't really have results to prove it and I haven't looked at your stats or past games or whatever, but you seem to be playing well regardless of your alignment. Do you see what I am saying about majiffy's meta though?

remind me again what you were saying about majiffy's meta

By slump, I mean that my reads have been much worse than normal in my past few games. I was wrong on both Fe and Last in this game. I just had a game end where two of my strongest town reads were scum and all of my scum reads were town. And the last few before that weren't much better. I like to think I've been good at this game in the past. I mean, I've nailed plenty of scum Day 1 and sometimes their partners if I survive long enough. I've generally picked right in 3P LYLO. Even in town losses, I'll be the guy going "dammit! I told you guys so and so was scum!". But lately, I just can't do it.

well we all have to do a hard reset every now and then. what I have noticed in the untimed games is that after awhile the paranoia starts to work on your brain and at some point everyone will start to look scummy. good scum know this and will use it to their advantage I would think and I think the key is to learn to tell the difference between town flail and scum flail. last was clearly town flailing. I am confused as town, how you missed this.

[pirate mollie]

so what made you change your mind about kmd? cos you were all salivating at the mouth for a kmd lynch earlier. I already explained why I was more willing to lynch kmd over you but you guys are pretty even tbh. I think games are boring without you though. if you guys get your way and lynch another townie, then what? I know that if uct flips scum I will be doing some re-evaluating but where are you looking to next? your cases are pretty weak this game and that is what is standing out the most. plus some other things that I am not going to tell you.

[pirate mollie]

so what made you change your mind about kmd? cos you were all salivating at the mouth for a kmd lynch earlier. I already explained why I was more willing to lynch kmd over you but you guys are pretty even tbh. I think games are boring without you though. if you guys get your way and lynch another townie, then what? I know that if uct flips scum I will be doing some re-evaluating but where are you looking to next? your cases are pretty weak this game and that is what is standing out the most. plus some other things that I am not going to tell you.

1) Already pointed out about KMD
2) Buldermar if Uct flips town. Already said this too.
3) Does it matter how weak or strong you

perceive

my cases to be when I've already lynched a scum?

1) there is a dissonance with the timing as far as the timing as far as the continuity goes
2) nope. I think buldey is town.
3) uhm well yeah, bussing and all of that

[pirate mollie]

I'm still good for a penguin lynch. If memory serves me correct she was on the Fe wagon but not on the LS wagon, yet seemed to be cheering for it from the sidelines. Then after it went through she immediately got all upset that LS had been lynched without a claim, which is a forced townie response.

Hi scum. I've already addressed this but good job parroting Mollie.

he isn't parroting me cos I never said that.

[pirate mollie]

1) yes there is
2) well then why would anybody ever listen to me in the first place except hey! they do. sometimes I am wrong. there is nothing wrong with that it just means I have to work out why I was wrong in the first place and fix mygame which I am always trying to do.
3) yeah that is why I was happy with your vote on kmd

[pirate mollie]

STOP THIS SHIT AND LOOK AT PENGUIN AGAIN
I have explained why I find UCT town and I am most likely going to explain the kmd townread again soon, so please do me the same courtesy and look at penguin.

Love,
Nacho

dear nacho,

I have looked over your case most carefully. I think the director's was better. however I am not convinced. penguin looks like she is trolleytracking not forcing a scum read but hey! I could be wrong. she has demonstrated some scumitude behaviour as has been pointed out but so have others. I still want to lynch kmd or majiffy even though it pains me to lynch either. I am voting for one of these 2. plz help out with this even if it is just to shut me up about it.

thanks.

your truly,

mollie

[pirate mollie]

xpost with the director.

[pirate mollie]

jesus christ

eta: that was aimed at majiffy
eta: but it could go to you too.

[pirate mollie]

I think the kmd lynch would be a good idea. I think that uct is probably town cos of how petulant he sounded cos kmd is addressing me and ignoring him. I think penguin is town.

majiffy is a hardcore busser. I think he attempted to bus kmd from the get go in order to gain town cred on finding scum amongst a really good player. how do I know this? cos he has said this and he bussed me and got caught out in the recent tr game which only implicated himself. he switched to fe when kmd showed resistance and he is not giving a read on kmd now he is merely wanting to vote him based off of that 1 post. majiffy screams about cases but wants kmd lynched with not remembering why he had him as scum in the first place.

I think a scumkmd will directly point to majiffy.

That game is still ongoing, so you probably should not talk about it.

I agree with you, though.

no, it had just ended when I posted this. our last scum begged the gm to kill her off. raven has been wanting to catch me out as scum forever and she never could until now. grrrrr......

I apologize. Yeah, raven was a God in that game.

wish you could meet my mentor luis. raven is my unofficial mentor. she and I are really close but we have a weird rivalry thing in mafia games however when we get town reads on each other look out

I don't want to talk about it. It never happened.

lol, you were terrible, truly terrible.

[pirate mollie]

buldey what is your read on me

[pirate mollie]

so buldey you have me as town?

what are your thoughts on majiffy

it should be obvious that majiffy and I are not a scum pairing. I either want to be knocked out of my pet theory or have it locked into place. solid reasoning will help me knock out my pet theory.

objectively I think that ns and maenara are the scummiest players evah.

@ kmd

I thought you were going to get back with me. I liked our little dance.

[pirate mollie]

also glad to see buldey and 'jiffy getting along <3
look at you two. so cute together.

I think their budding bromance is sweet

the director who are your second and third lynch choices

borky who are your suspects?

[pirate mollie]

will you plz try

look I am trying to organise town into some sort of cohesion. I really can't do it on my own.

[pirate mollie]

Lol just jump on uct with me.

I want to hear from uct. if he does not make a lengthier post in the next couple of IRL days then we probably need to put more pressure on him.

are you guys familiar with using list making here? if everyone could post a list of their 3 top lynch choices and then 3 top town choices that would be awesome. I will keep up with the info.

dammit I really wish I would have started this game off with a spreadsheet. I might throw one together if I don't get sucked into the marathon games again.

[pirate mollie]

stop burying the thread with your nonsense majiffy!

re: borky I did better than that I was scum in a game and kept forgetting I was scum! lol, poor tracy

[pirate mollie]

pirate mollie, speak to me, it helps myself and the rest of the town. "I want to hear from so and so" is not a question or an accusation, it's like when you're on a date and you're staring at the girl for 2 minutes in silence waiting for something to happen.

Scumhunting is voting and giving reasons and getting reactions/info from the person. There has to be more than simply voting/fosing.

I have asked everyone to name their top 3 scum reads and top 3 town reads why are you using some dumb analogy to try to dismiss that? plz give me your reads tia

eta: catching up on xposts

[pirate mollie]

i'm prolly

penguin
majiffy
kmd

right now but those are all really obvious to me so i'm sure it needs adjusting.

is this your scum list? I just want to be clear. top 3 town reads?

[pirate mollie]

Uct, bork, ns are my top three scum.

Maenara, penguin, mollie for town.

thank you kmd

[pirate mollie]

eta: catching up on xposts

You need to take some typing classes

I am mult-tasking you dummy

[pirate mollie]

so far I have:

**borky's list**:

scum

penguin
majiffy
kmd

possible 4th of ns

town

buldey
mollie
nacho - nacho is a waffling read

**and kmd's**:

scum

uct
bork
ns

town

maenara
penguin
mollie

uct, majiffy can you guys be a dear and post your lists? tia <----- thanks in advance

[pirate mollie]

what is your read on me uct?

[pirate mollie]

@ uct - then give me your list

[pirate mollie]

xposts - lol

[pirate mollie]

nm you did

[pirate mollie]

so far I have:

**borky's list**:

scum

penguin
majiffy
kmd

possible 4th of ns

town

buldey
mollie
nacho - nacho is a waffling read

**and kmd's**:

scum

uct
bork
ns

town

maenara
penguin
mollie

uct, majiffy can you guys be a dear and post your lists? tia <----- thanks in advance

add uct's:

town

maenara
buldey
nacho

scum

penguin
majiffy
ns

[pirate mollie]

I don't get that impression from uct. Mollie seems the most concerned about other's thoughts if we're going down that road but I find that to be typical from mollie town.
so

this didn't really answer kmd's question btw

[pirate mollie]

I don't get that impression from uct. Mollie seems the most concerned about other's thoughts if we're going down that road but I find that to be typical from mollie town.
so

you avoided the second part of kmd's question.

where is your list

[pirate mollie]

hi buldey!

you know looking at your breakkie posts made me want to declare my undying love for you cos it is like we are sharing a brain, when I was setting up my spreadsheet last night I realised that nacho replaced breakkie and that I had the distinct feeling that breakkie was not of the same alignment in 2 games that I was playing with her. she flipped town in the other one (yes the game is over) ut since I am not in your town pile (and I really should be) you are getting one of that from me buddy. I need your third town read plz and go ahead and name a third scum it isn't like you have to be right and cannot reevaluate at a later date. qualify it with a "weak scum read" if you want to.

also I need you to be my gib in this game can you do that plz it means we work together.

@ maenara
same to you, can you plz give me 2 more scum reads. I am also going with your top 3 town picks.

waiting on the director and nobody special.

I am also going with that no one here is used to this strategy. do any of you use spreadsheets?

[pirate mollie]

yeah, pretty much. and I need a third for scum and town.

eta: thanks maenara

[pirate mollie]

scum is penguin and majiffy.

penguin because she is lurker central

majiffy because if he was actually threatening to scum he would be dead by now

but im just an idiot who didn't start the boat on Fe or anything. Pirate stop trying, scum have already won this game, it isn't worth saving.

oh hush, if you are town I see why you are saying this. if you are scum then nice plant of defeatism but it was premature and no one else is going to buy it.

so I need a third scum read from you and 3 town read tia

[pirate mollie]

oh you're referring to something director said and attributing it to me I think?

scum is penguin and majiffy.

penguin because she is lurker central

majiffy because if he was actually threatening to scum he would be dead by now

but im just an idiot who didn't start the boat on Fe or anything. Pirate stop trying, scum have already won this game, it isn't worth saving.

yeah that's not why I think he's scum. Weird KMD behavior, The Fe => Majiffy interaction end of D1, and the fact that he's pushing this 1 on 1 off thing as if its dogma and making lousy retroactive reasoning about it.

And your wagon is going nowhere and this game is stalled as shit

.

no it isn't

[pirate mollie]

I'm scum and I have lost the will to live

fify

[pirate mollie]

waiting for ns to attempt to post a list

[pirate mollie]

Unless him being retarded was your reason, and not a side note.

^reaction is alignment neutral

[pirate mollie]

okay!

so here are the lists:

borkey's list

:

scum

penguin person
majiffy
kmd
loose fourth around ns

town

buldey
mollie
nacho - waffles with this read

kmd's list

:

scum

uct
borky
ns

town

maenara
penguin
mollie

uct's list

:

town

maenara
buldey
nacho

scum

penguin
majiffy
ns

penguin's list

:

scum

ns
maenara
kmd

town

director
majiffy
mollie

maenara's list

:

town

molle
director
borky

scum

majiffy
kmd
uct

buldey's list

:

town

borky
majiffy

scum

nacho
kmd

the director's

:

scum

majiffy
penguin person

nacho's list

:

town

kmd
buldey
mollie

scum

maenara
penguin
majiffy

majiffy's list

:

scum

uct

mine

:

town

buldey
borky
penguin

scum

majiffy
kmd
nacho

thanks everyone! will post thoughts in a little bit.

[pirate mollie]

I honestly thought this was more to figure out who to clear than to figure out who to lynch.

it is but you can also use it to find scum too.

I think we have a town cabal in you, me and buldey so I think we should triangulate and vote as a bloc. this will help to ensure that lynch is in town hands. on the chance that one of us is nked we should probably think about who else we can agree is a town read and try to pull them in.

what I learned from everyone's lists; a little bit. noticed who would not offer one up: majiffy. scum hate lists cos it pins them down and it can leave a trail directly to their teammates. on d3 majiffy should have at least something to offer up, me as town at the very least he can almost always read me but he isn't doing anything he didn't even try. town majiffy would have cooperated just to shut me up, lol. I think that is probably who we need to lynch today.

the idea of the lists is to keep track of people's reads and make them accountable for them. on d4 have people add a 4th town read to their lists, make them give a reason for it and repost the list while making the fourth town read a different colour. people can change out players on their lists, for instance I almost want to switch out nacho for ns cos nacho has a scum relative tell that I have not seen yet and ns made one big clanger of a post but make sure they give good reasons that are supported and is consistent with their thought process. I have never lost a game using the list technique but can't use it very often cos good scum will just find a way to manipulate.

eta: I see there has been some activity since I typed this out.

[pirate mollie]

Buldermar there are two things I'm certain are bad ideas going into d2 and both of them are being put on the table as viable options that, for some god-awful reason I can't comprehend, is being considered by a bunch of fucktards that can't read between the lines.

Apologies if I'm getting a little pissed off that the hardest softclaiming I could possibly do is doing fuck all for anyone to pick up on.

I'm the doctor. I was on Penguin last night. There was no kill. I don't have a goddamn reason to think Penguin is town, but he sure as fuck is not today's lynch. And neither am I.

jesus christ

this is d3 so who did you protect on n1? why didn't you protect mala? I thought she dropped one helluva special tell and there was no kill last night so penguin is pretty much confirmed town.

goddammit majiffy

[pirate mollie]

this is d3 so who did you protect on n1? why didn't you protect mala? I thought she dropped one helluva special tell and there was no kill last night so penguin is pretty much confirmed town.

goddammit majiffy

Don't remember, but probably Fizz given that he was the counterwagon to Fe and thus likely town.

There's a jailkeeper so Penguin isn't 100% confirmed.

Don't goddamnit me, you're the one who didn't jump on the uct wagon with hint after hint. Furthermore, if you're so good at looking for PR tells, why didn't you notice that I was softclaiming protecting Penguin all day? Instead you soft-support the popular Majiffy wagon with this pile of horse-shit;

what I learned from everyone's lists; a little bit. noticed who would not offer one up: majiffy. scum hate lists cos it pins them down and it can leave a trail directly to their teammates. on d3 majiffy should have at least something to offer up, me as town at the very least he can almost always read me but he isn't doing anything he didn't even try. town majiffy would have cooperated just to shut me up, lol. I think that is probably who we need to lynch today.

You know damned well I have no qualms about tying myself to my partners; I bus them most of the damn time. This is the biggest pile of meta bullshit I've ever seen from you; it's completely inaccurate. And reading you? You know I generally intentionally ignore you as long as I possibly can because I can't.

No, you're likely scum with uct.

hey here is a thought; how about if you are a special then you try playing a protown game huh? you know perfectly well that sometimes I am just as likely as to land on a special jesus fucking christ you watched me do it in a game where I forced 2 specials on d1 and by the time I got to the third he didn't even put up a fight he just outed as a seer. specials often look like scum to me when I am town. if I know the player well enough I can distinguish the difference but if I get knocked off balance even then I misstep. and no you don't "generally ignore me" you usually slide right in with comfort and ease

which you did not do in this game

.

@ ns - you know who hates town cabals? scum usually. the only town who hate cabals are ones who got burned by them once allows it to colour the rest of their mafia experiences.

[pirate mollie]

who did you protect n1 majiffy?

[pirate mollie]

how convenient

[pirate mollie]

I do too but I still want to strangle him!

[pirate mollie]

how convenient

See, this is why you're not town.

nope. I am town. I am working towards a town win not sure wtf you are doing. the only doc that I have seen worse than you is testy and that is only because he protected the indie survivor that we had just lynched on n1.

I have seen 2 samples of your special game and this looks nothing like them but fine, barring a cc you are just having an off game.

[pirate mollie]

you were not the only one to lynch fe I fosed him before you were even on him.

you could have just cooperated with me you know it would have saved you a lot of trouble.

VOTE: uct

eta: no shit buldey it looks like you do too!

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE: uct

[pirate mollie]

I think he is. serious question: why are we giving ns as big of a pass as we are?

VOTE: nobody special

[pirate mollie]

borky, majiffy said to tell you haha the bengals lost!!!

who are the bengals????

anyways har reset post coming shortly

[pirate mollie]

*hard reset post

[pirate mollie]

lol

okay. majiffy I went back through your posts and yeah you smelled specially at the beginning of the game and I forgot all about that. I am sorry! plz forgive me.

we need to get your reads. I am just not sure that I agree with your uct read as scummy and lol, you can be wrong too sometimes. but I am not discounting your read either and I don't think anybody else is. not understanding your opposition to the ns wagon. also your doc choices have been weird like why protect penguin, your reasoning behind that might clarify my read on her. so far I have her as town.

my biggest reset other than majiffy is kmd. if kmd is scum then I want to be his disciple cos he looks, feels soooooo town. I am treating him as town from here on out.

still not sure about nacho. reevaluating my town reads, I feel best about borky. buldey is a good second.

that is all for now.

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE: ns

mollie, kmd isn't his partner, though
absolutely not

lol, did you even read what I wrote nacho? majiffy's uncontested claim pretty much confirms kmd as town in my eyes which is a relief cos I was driving myself batshit insane with my paranoia over him.

thinking you are scum though

I am waiting on majiffy before I vote.

@ buldey

some dumb american sport when the only true sport is hockey.

[pirate mollie]

(((the director)))