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Post Post #348 (isolation #0) » Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:20 pm

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hello newbies and SE's and IC's
so, 14 pages already for a newbie game, you guys are going good.
let me check up for a bit and will jump in right after...
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Post Post #362 (isolation #1) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:51 am

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↑ Fropome wrote:
↑ AlexisTay3 wrote:
↑ goodmorning wrote:On replacements: Most of them screw the Town. Occasionally they screw the Scum instead.


I agree, It's easier for the scum to pull together from scratch, but it's much harder for the town to do so. Information theory :)

Re: Eye Urn's point: From what I've seen so far I hope we have game full of active players. I think lynching absentees sucks, but the fact that a typical scum ploy is to go for inactives it makes it a great place for them to hide, as any town player who suggests it instantly looks suss. It's also anti-town to not contribute at least to clearing yourself, why give scum the information advantage?


On Fropome's point above, I believe you're trying to say that lurking simply makes it easier for the scum to find someone to target, but I also don't get how it is a great place for them to hide.

ATay3


Where I played my previous games lynching lurkers is always a scummy move. The logic of it only works if you have a well cleared town, and many players are loathe to lynch an absentee without giving them a chance to respond. However, scum know who town are, and know if a town player is lurking, so it makes sense for at least one scum to lurk with them and then they only need to worry if and when town start worrying about lurkers. Even then the chance of being lynched is still a 1:2 shot if there's just one other lurker.

My point is that town have no reason to lurk, even newbie town who are afraid they might make mistakes, newb town mistakes can still be sources of useful information for town.


There is a good posibility that lurkers can be town but not always, Scum lurk lurk and lurk all his life so that he can get away with out contributing anything to the game, Unless you're a great scum and can hold a conversation without slim, the other scums usually lurks

so Lynching lurkers is a good when they don't explain themselves in time.
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Post Post #364 (isolation #2) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:38 am

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So, I have did a quick catch up, so its going to be a simple reads.. :]

Although this is a newbie game, I can tell that most of the players in this game seem to have had their own experiences elsewhere playing mafia games. :cool:

So, apart from the people I know already. Welcome to mafiascum.net rest of you! :D If you’re a mafia game lover, then you have come to your paradise. :mrgreen: :wink: This site is a final stop for all the players who love playing mafia games, enjoying staying here.! :cool:

My advice for all of you :nerd: - Slow down first, understand the site meta and people, follow the rules, don’t get offended and play for winning :]

And about my reads… I have done a fair catch up, I will tone up with you all soon as the game go :idea: … (note that I don’t enjoy writing really long posts, so my reads going to be simple :neutral: .)

Fferullt
– She seems like an aggressive player, almost suspecting everyone in the game which is a good town-tell, Leaning town.
MAC
– mac seems different, she is playing more logically on this game than in the games I have been with her, Leaning town.
Revenus
– I really didn’t like the way he went on with Carey, Being an SE and knowing this site meta and how things usually works here, he should been knowing already that lurking is common here.. So Just only reasoning lurking for accusing Carey as scum is not good, Leaning scum.
Eye Urn
– I don’t like your avatar, I hate giant evil octopus. And, to talk about your game play, I see that you’re pushing GM’s much with no reasons, I am not sure if you were doing that because you think that you may not need direction from an IC or if it is your play style from the other sites that made subjectively concluded that GM is scummy becuz she is being overly cautious ?, either ways you need to remember that she was given an additional task in the game, she usually be more cautions than any player and she is not scummy that way. You’re leaning scum to for now.
GoodMorning
– Hey, Thanks for the heads up, Yeah I don’t think you’re again too… I am bit bored of suspecting you in almost every game we play. So who do you think is scum here? And btw, you’re doing a great job as IC. Keep it up girl
Carey
– Null so far, you need to pull a better play Carey, and stop saying like you’re catching up. Read through for real and post your reads.
Fropome
– Fro has been one of the active posters, it’s good thing for a newbie with that I can tell you that he is may be new to this site but not new to mafia game. He appears to be buddying up with Eye and Revenus, I don’t have positive read on either of them. So Fro is neutral to me for now.
Deras
– His reads seems genuine, Leaning town.

And to look at this game in a strategic way..
There will be 2 scums in a 9 player game.

And I am positive that there is one scum between SE’s & IC
I feel GM is town, Carey is null. Revenus would be my choice for this day’s lynch, if everyone wants to move this directly. :idea:
And there would one more scum in the rest of you. :shifty:
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Post Post #367 (isolation #3) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:12 am

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↑ fferyllt wrote:What makes you positive that there is one scum between SE's and IC?

Becuz, I believe that MOD will not give Scum flag to noobs without having an experience player in it.
Imagine 2 scum Newbies V/s 2 SE & IC and rest of the town?? that is highly unlikely to me. Again, that's how I see it.
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Post Post #369 (isolation #4) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:35 am

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↑ fferyllt wrote:
↑ ArcAngel9 wrote:
↑ fferyllt wrote:What makes you positive that there is one scum between SE's and IC?

Becuz, I believe that MOD will not give Scum flag to noobs without having an experience player in it.
Imagine 2 scum Newbies V/s 2 SE & IC and rest of the town?? that is highly unlikely to me. Again, that's how I see it.

The roles aren't assigned randomly?


they do but it may not be in a newbie game.
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Post Post #375 (isolation #5) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:50 am

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↑ fferyllt wrote:This game feels stalled out somehow. I wanted to wait for more content from ArcAngel9 before trying to dig into more ISOs.

ArcAngel, do your reads change at all based on the role assignments being random?



Wait for more content from what? I finished catching up!!!
How my reads each time is depended on each situation of a game. But how does it matter now, and I don't feel good about people who ask too many questions because its usually scum divert the attention by asking too many questions that actually don't pertain to the concept.
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Post Post #376 (isolation #6) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:51 am

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↑ goodmorning wrote:Stalling is useful as long as it doesn't last too long, gives you a chance to catch your breath and reread/ISO if you have time.


Is Ffery is a new player? but her profile is created long time ago...
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Post Post #378 (isolation #7) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:56 am

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↑ goodmorning wrote:If you count 3 months as a long time.


3 months is a good time, I feel old enough already...
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Post Post #379 (isolation #8) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:57 am

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^unless she hasn't played many games....
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Post Post #381 (isolation #9) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:09 am

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↑ fferyllt wrote:
↑ ArcAngel9 wrote:
↑ goodmorning wrote:Stalling is useful as long as it doesn't last too long, gives you a chance to catch your breath and reread/ISO if you have time.


Is Ffery is a new player? but her profile is created long time ago...

"A long time ago." :)

I drew scum in my first newbie game at the beginning of January, came down with the flu and my father in law passed away in February. I stuck with that one game until it completed, and then started playing multiple games. I have 2 completed games here now, and 3 in progress. I'm alive in two of them, including this one.

I have a lot of other-site forum mafia experience, though.


Oh okay, 3 games. I would say, you still farily new.
But, let me tell you something about this site. the games are here not the same as on other sites, you should be knowing that already!!
I really liked the way how you're looking at every possible way to suspect from almost all the posts, which makes you pro-town but the players on this site posts like hell, and some of their don't even look town to you. So, it is okay to get reads the way usually do but it is also important how you should change especially when you get to different type of games, Games where you have double mafia teams, cult leaders, wear wolf groups etc. People on this site follows different strategies to narrow downlist for scum hunting that includes "Mass claims" as well.

So, when i look at a newbie game, I don't think any MOD would think a bunch newbies can handle the entire mafia team on their own, Although the player role selection is random, it seems obvious to me that one of the SE's or IC's may be a possible scum (I would say high possibility), and all of them won't be scum too, if they do, it will be an one sided game.

I don't always see things in this way, like i said, different games different strategies... :cool:
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Post Post #385 (isolation #10) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:36 am

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↑ CareyHammer wrote:I will replace out if a majority of players wants me to.

Don't, just play!!!
Try harder.
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Post Post #386 (isolation #11) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:39 am

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↑ fferyllt wrote:
↑ ArcAngel9 wrote:
↑ fferyllt wrote:
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↑ goodmorning wrote:Stalling is useful as long as it doesn't last too long, gives you a chance to catch your breath and reread/ISO if you have time.


Is Ffery is a new player? but her profile is created long time ago...

"A long time ago." :)

I drew scum in my first newbie game at the beginning of January, came down with the flu and my father in law passed away in February. I stuck with that one game until it completed, and then started playing multiple games. I have 2 completed games here now, and 3 in progress. I'm alive in two of them, including this one.

I have a lot of other-site forum mafia experience, though.


Oh okay, 3 games. I would say, you still farily new.
But, let me tell you something about this site. the games are here not the same as on other sites, you should be knowing that already!!
I really liked the way how you're looking at every possible way to suspect from almost all the posts, which makes you pro-town but the players on this site posts like hell, and some of their don't even look town to you. So, it is okay to get reads the way usually do but it is also important how you should change especially when you get to different type of games, Games where you have double mafia teams, cult leaders, wear wolf groups etc. People on this site follows different strategies to narrow downlist for scum hunting that includes "Mass claims" as well.

So, when i look at a newbie game, I don't think any MOD would think a bunch newbies can handle the entire mafia team on their own, Although the player role selection is random, it seems obvious to me that one of the SE's or IC's may be a possible scum (I would say high possibility), and all of them won't be scum too, if they do, it will be an one sided game.

I don't always see things in this way, like i said, different games different strategies... :cool:

I'm used to playing diverse and multifaction games, including cult games. So yeah, I understand that different strategies are needed depending on what we learn about the game formats.

But these games have a set format with just a few variations.

I gave you a link to a recent game where both scum were experienced players (the IC and an SE). I don't think we should approach this game assuming that one scum will be from group A and the other from group B.

That's why I want to know if you would change your list of who is scummy if you looked at the whole roster and picked the 2 or 3 most scummy players without thinking about whether they are SE/IC or not.


I know where you getting to.. I am not going to say it is not a posssiblity.
But like i said, both the newbies can't be scum which is highly unlikley, but both the scum can be in SE & IC which is likely but these could be pretty much assumptions what i can confirmly look at right now that there is at least one scum in out of 2 SE's and 1 IC, which narrow down my hunt to 3 people out of 9, Once we take down the first scum, and based on how the bussing or budding went throuh, it is possible to assume the other scum easily.
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Post Post #391 (isolation #12) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:01 am

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IC said it correctly, Roles are given randomly..
so its random to be one of them is nearly scum (which is pretty much in my theory)
So, I can't tell you for sure if GoodMorning telling the truth or not, she would only know that for sure if she is the Scum, otherwise as IC she can't lie doesn't mean she should agree to how we see what MOD given characters to player. Howeverm, I am trusting her now for this game.. Becuz scum GM is different to the GM i am seeing here, It is also possible that it may be becuz she is an IC here but i don't know it fore sure.
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Post Post #392 (isolation #13) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:03 am

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And moreover, She already mentioned to me that She is Town here, She normally don't do that if she is Scum, If she is playing me here.. She could only do it once :)
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Post Post #394 (isolation #14) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:42 pm

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↑ Eye Urn wrote:There are 9 players and 2 scum. Consider the set of SE/IC. The chance that they are all town is P(IC is not scum) * P(SE A is not scum given IC is not scum) * P(SE B is not scum given SE A and IC are not scum) = 7/9 * 6/8 * 5/7 = 210/504 ~= 42%. It is more likely than not that at least one SE/IC is scum. But it's far from definite.


False theory!!!
I doubt the possibility of two newbies run around with scum flag.
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Post Post #397 (isolation #15) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:02 pm

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↑ fferyllt wrote:In this game, neither scum slot was SE/IC.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=26035

I'm sorry ArcAngel, I almost wonder if we're talking past each other. It is not a false theory. Two newbies could randomly have drawn scum roles in this or any other game newbie game. It's really bothering me that you're not willing to consider that as a possibility.

I'd really like for you to address this: If you don't worry about whether a player is in the experienced group or the newbie group, would your top two or three picks for scum change?


I never said it is never possible. I said it is highly not possible, there is a difference how you would want to look at it.
Eitherways, we all need to lynch someone at some point, And I am narrowing my list where i tend to believe the highest possibility of scum team. Isn't that is simple?

I don't really expect anyone to understand and like the things the way i do but this logic worked for me earlier and i don't see any reason why i shouldn't go in that direction now. And I very well aware that i could be wrong too.

unless if there is something that makes someone obvious (which i don't think will possible in a newbie game), I might drop this plan.
you all need to underdstand, with all the above I said doesn't mean that i am not keeping my options open to read other players, I am very well aware how i need to monitor a player and when to point when i something fishy.
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Post Post #398 (isolation #16) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:02 pm

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↑ fferyllt wrote:ArcAngel have you played a Newbie game before this one?


Not on this site.
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Post Post #484 (isolation #17) » Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:53 pm

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Poke received :)
Will be catching up in a bit
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Post Post #502 (isolation #18) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:15 am

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↑ Eye Urn wrote:Town > Mac > Fropome > Deras > Revenus = Carey = ArcAngel > ffer > GM > Scum

ArcAngel looks like terrible town. Deras looks like he's at least trying. Revenus I don't like the playstyle of, but it feels like it's coming from a more townish direction. If Mac and Fropome are scum they are doing an extraordinary job in coming off as genuinely town to me.

GM/ffer cooled down way too easily for me. Way, way too easily. I don't like ffer's unvote based on meta, mainly because I have a strong disdain for any meta beyond the kind that Carey shows. The people in this game are self-aware enough to use the knowledge of their meta to their own advantage, and I feel both of these players have been trying to push their metas at us too much. As it stands now after my thorough re-reading, I'm seeing them very strongly as the scum pair. In case they aren't both scum, I'm definitely leaning more towards GM being scum. A lot of her posts suggest that she feels she knows more than we do. Maybe some of that's due to experience, but it feels like it's more than that. As for specifics, I'll point to the sigbet which is conveniently void if she's scum. I asked for specific terms for an entirely different reason, and managed to wheedle out that her sigbet is effectively a null-proposition when she knows it's wrong. I had assumed she lost if she were scum since she wasn't in the specified set. Just her whole attitude about this topic screamed "I know more than you" as I re-read.

I still don't like Carey's lack of actually playing, but given that his wagon has no traction and I have a stronger scum read now...

VOTE: goodmorning


Firstly, I am "SHE" not "HE"
And explain me why i am terrible town? What have i done that you think is town and what is exactly is the terrible.

Btw, I do like your theory of GM/ffer possible bussing, I am not sure abut FFER but i know GM is capable of bussing. so i ll keep my options open for that. :)
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Post Post #559 (isolation #19) » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:57 am

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↑ Revenus wrote:
↑ ArcAngel9 wrote:I know where you getting to.. I am not going to say it is not a posssiblity.
But like i said, both the newbies can't be scum which is highly unlikley, but both the scum can be in SE & IC which is likely but these could be pretty much assumptions what i can confirmly look at right now that there is at least one scum in out of 2 SE's and 1 IC, which narrow down my hunt to 3 people out of 9, Once we take down the first scum, and based on how the bussing or budding went throuh, it is possible to assume the other scum easily.



Looking at Arc's posts, she has mainly just pushed this idea; the fact that one of the se/ics MUST be scum. Guess what? If it's truly randomized, then two newbies are equally as likely as one newbie/one se/ic. Nearly everytime someone has pushed some "math/odds" based cases, they've been scum.

Why? It allows scum to pretend to scumhunt on the crutch of this; you really want to just narrow your scumhunt on the three most experienced players in the game? That's really bad. So bad it's suspicious.

Fos:Arc



pedit:Carey: if you're town, please replace out.


so whats your point? what i said about this possibility was before MOD confirming that he used random.org website to assign the roles.
So what is really bad in what i said? this post sounding like very oppurtunist...

Its pretty obvious now Scum joined in my wagon with pretty shady reasons, and I am going fish them out...
I now actually FFER town for the same reason how she doesn't want to prematurely get me lynched, I doubt scum in this group would play that kind of card to earn town cred
Good Morning, you are not giving much as i am expecting, so not is really cool.
Carey and Dares - Bleeding SCUM, I am going check your ISO and get back on that.
MAC still looks TOWN!!
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Post Post #561 (isolation #20) » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:17 am

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That's an excuse you going to use for???
You're either being derp or just playing out us in this way.. Eitherways, I will check on that..

And the rest of you whoever think that i was lurking, you're wrong. I am in a lot of games and also playing as a Hydra and running a two communties. So My hands are bit full. I was just behind catching up.. Not lurking and most definitely haven't given up yet!!!
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Post Post #563 (isolation #21) » Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:50 am

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^ say scum hunting?
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Post Post #566 (isolation #22) » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:36 am

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^ this is ridicouls post Carey, even for you...
VOTE: CareyHammer
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Post Post #570 (isolation #23) » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:50 am

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↑ CareyHammer wrote:Oh my God, you suck!


My reason to vote you was far better than yours!!!!
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Post Post #573 (isolation #24) » Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:32 am

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Carey is a deal, he is anti town as hell.
He is derping crazily and for a SE player that is not accepted. And moreover, he is openly admiting his effort less playstyle.
the problem is that he could that as as scum and also VI, which is hard to say and its hurts town. Town or not, if someone walks like scum, talks scum and acts scums makes them scum.
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Post Post #574 (isolation #25) » Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:33 am

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And check out his reason to vote me.. He says that he wanted me to back in game so he voted.. WTH? He put me at L-1, that wasn't not a town play.
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Post Post #577 (isolation #26) » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:02 am

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↑ CareyHammer wrote:I was sheeping the whole Angel wagon, not just ff. Seriously, I'm willing to vote for anyone at any time. Give me a reason to suspect another player and I will probably move my vote there. Still a week to deadline, no need to get too upset about a stupid vote on my part. I make stupid votes all the time.


How do you even a play game like this? You literally throwing yourself down the road and letting you people drive you in any direction they seek.
don't you see how you're opening doors for Scum to use you dnd let you lynch a townie.
huh!!!! :o :eek: :eek:
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Post Post #581 (isolation #27) » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:28 am

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ArcAngel9 - TOWN
fferyllt - Leaning Town
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CareyHammer (SE) - Scum/NUll
Deras - Leaning Scum
Revenus (SE) - Leaning Scum
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Post Post #583 (isolation #28) » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:40 am

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^ will put that out later.. Am at work now!!!
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Post Post #584 (isolation #29) » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:40 am

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and multi tasking :(
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Post Post #591 (isolation #30) » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:30 pm

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^ this is a very negative tone from townie attitude.
Why do you care so much my scum reads? What is that you want to fish in my reads?
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Post Post #596 (isolation #31) » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:32 pm

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↑ Revenus wrote:Arc; I want to know why you're voting your "scum/null" read over either of your more scum leaning reads.

becuz he is hurting the game so much. that he could do as scum or being null.
it doesn't matter who goes down from that list, i ll have to follow the largest wagon to get the lynch.

so don't worry, you're still in my head, i ll put my vote on you when rest of the town decides to lynch you.
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Post Post #604 (isolation #32) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:49 am

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↑ Mac wrote:Does anyone else find 595 a bit strange?


↑ Revenus wrote:Mac, I believe he was just copypastaing the player list from Arc's earlier reads


that's right, seems like copy of my post
but what suprising me is that how identitcal his reads are with mine and yet he calls me scum, This is an effort less scum hunting.
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Post Post #606 (isolation #33) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:01 am

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And you would continue to hang on to someone reads or will you going to play more....
What are your readS?
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Post Post #609 (isolation #34) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:10 am

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↑ fferyllt wrote:You never did go into your reasons for your scum reads on Revenus and Deras.


I gave the reads, why do you want to know my reasons, I would put my reasons when i vote them.
I am not feeling good about your play. your'e pushign players to give you answers, a normal town players do question but doesn't push, my read on you is dropping....
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Post Post #610 (isolation #35) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:10 am

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And you're asking me to provide something which you oviously haven't done.
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Post Post #614 (isolation #36) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:25 am

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↑ fferyllt wrote:I certainly do push when town. I'm not passive about letting reads come to me. I shake trees and see what falls out.

What I'm seeing fall out is that you, ArcAngel go on a reactive attack anytime someone posts to or about you. That looks scummy.

And you say what you doing is Town? Reactive is not scummy, what do you do when Scum pushes to you an edge? would you react or stay quite? I guess you know the answer....

Look, I was kept under L-1 yesterday which i pretty much see it as scum motivated wagon. the only thing that stopping me to see you as scum is how you changed your mind and took me back to L-2, otherwise I am not liking the way you continously pushing me to participate more. I will particapate and put out my opinions when i have and I feel to put out. I don't have to necessarly write out my reads to meet your expecations.

And the other thing I am not liking is how the scum is now driving focus slowly to my side so they could take an adbvantage on my lynch.
did you properly read the
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Post Post #615 (isolation #37) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:26 am

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↑ fferyllt wrote:VOTE: ArcAngel


so what is your strateogy aftet I flip town.. ?? who is your next scum target?
And i am obviously not scum alone, who do you think are my scum buddies...
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Post Post #618 (isolation #38) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:36 am

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^ this is a false accusation, I did gave basis of my reads, did you even read my opening post? It has the base read of each player in detail . What do you call that? Why are you lying about that?

Like I mentioned that my reactiong was clearly geniune as I was pushed to L-1, Carrey had a stupid reason to jump into my wagon and so is you...
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Post Post #622 (isolation #39) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:47 am

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↑ Deras wrote:
↑ ArcAngel9 wrote:^ this is a false accusation, I did gave basis of my reads, did you even read my opening post? It has the base read of each player in detail . What do you call that? Why are you lying about that?

Like I mentioned that my reactiong was clearly geniune as I was pushed to L-1, Carrey had a stupid reason to jump into my wagon and so is you...


Actually, I just read this and went to check really quickly: yes you did add reasons to your first readlist but that lists me as leaning town, then your next one says bleeding scum, you haven't explained what made you change. (didn't check the others to see if there were changes)


Your post #478 and 534
your reason to call me scum looks very oppurtunist to me, the way I account the possible scum in SE's and IC is a random guess and when i drop that discuss right after MOD confirmed that roles were assigned randomly through using Random.org site. I have been MOD before in a different site, the games I have modded, I always considered not to put the entire mafia with full of noobs as it will be unfair in the game.

But how you still hang on to that point as reason and targeting me to lynch over carrey was very oppurtunist, its like you know carrey would eitehrways a lynch target at anytime as he was playing an effort less game.
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Post Post #625 (isolation #40) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:24 am

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↑ goodmorning wrote:It's difficult to scumhunt when 90% of new posts are "I'll get to this in a bit".

I've definitely put off doing a reread, but suffice it to say that my current scumpool is Z, AA, and Fe.
Z has yet to post anything that would change my mind on the slot. It would probably be appropriate to allow him a bit more time to contribute before considering a lynch on him.
AA is playing to her classic scum meta. I'd be voting her now but I'd like to see the wagon stabilize first, just in case.
Fe is the one I really need to look at more in depth, but he's playing close to the belt and something about his posts just strikes me as being off.

fff is scumpool backup.


Wow, Just wow. You never palyed a game with me as scum to see what is my scum meta. And i never palyed defensive game as before.
How are you basing your explanation?
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Post Post #627 (isolation #41) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:02 am

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ffery- Why you're not commenting about my post # 622
And i have asked your what you think about the way Z7-852 reasoning out me as scum...
And you seem to find my reasons now, so are your with drawing your statement that I haven't stated my reads at all....

And its is apparent that I had changes after reading through the two days i have missed and gave the new reads..
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Post Post #635 (isolation #42) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:01 pm

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unvote please
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Post Post #642 (isolation #43) » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:50 am

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I unvoted Carey becuz he was possible that he may be derping. I wanted to give a chance to his repalcement.
Z7, you still look very oppurtunist.

Its pretty obvious that scum playing this game. Since all the players here love posting really really large posts, its becoming to hard to follow.
And GM, I don't know why you're not voicing over much, this is not usual you. IGMEONY
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Post Post #645 (isolation #44) » Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:37 am

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^ Scum summarize into shit out of nothing, that's how I am looking at these long posts, especially in this game. there isn't much content in any of these posts especially yours, you going over the same thing that you said after you replaced. nothing is much different. and indeed zero contribution.

Town, I am tired already, becuz i can't keep up with large summarizing posts especially when you expect similar kind of play style from me.
When I am lynched, please remember this properly...

FFerylt is a Wannabe Townie. Most of her posts don't have much content
and so is Z7, he is leaning more scum

Mac is town,
Not sure about CareyHammer
Eye fits between Scum/Town, so watch over...
GoodMorning, Her usual town play is bit srong, Its weird that she is not contributing much, and she lied about my Scum meta. so keep your eye open about her and remember how she wantee me to believe that she is not in scum this game, she wanted me to believe becuz each game we played so far, she was the scum in the most and I was right about her in each game.
Deras defence fit well to see him as town now.
Revenus is lurking lurking and lurking, Possible scum.
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Post Post #647 (isolation #45) » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:13 am

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Not long post.. No content in your posts. Don't twist my words!!!!!!
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Post Post #662 (isolation #46) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:02 am

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VOTE: GoodMorning
I am voting becuase of her meta, this is her scum play.
If you're all not decide to lynch me today.. GM is good candidate, If you all lynch me today, remember to take GM down tomorrow becuz she is the scum.
Post # 649 is the best example.

And you can reivew her Scum Play in the following games...

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4695783

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4829462
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Post Post #665 (isolation #47) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:31 am

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^ How irony you think that I could be scum with GM, do you actually think if i am scum GM that i would ask town to carry my reads and lynch GM next day based on my filp???
I know what my flip going to be and it is not what you expected.

So the case you're applying on GM is relatively smooth but you came very strong on a simple case. That doesn't fit so well...
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Post Post #684 (isolation #48) » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:31 am

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↑ Deras wrote:What worries me is that we might be wrong about AA9, and the scum are just waiting until the deadline, happy to get a mislynch, but no one, scum or town, should just sit idle while they get lynched the way AA9 seems content to do.

And speaking of her, AA9 has been posting on the site this weekend, just not in this thread :(

↑ fferyllt wrote:We've got just under 4 days, and I don't plan to lose sight of the deadline.

I don't know what to think about AA9's lack of engagement or giving up or whatever it is.


I have already said everything i wanted to say about this game.
Please refer to my post # 645 , 662 & 665. If i have to say it again. Here you..
I am TOWN
!!! , Hope that is loud enough and don't blame that i didn't say it.

↑ goodmorning wrote:Under 4 days?
I'm waiting to hear from Carey's replacement too, but I'll repeat that I am more than willing to vote AA.


I am sure you will. After all I am in your way!!!!

↑ Revenus wrote:I really don't like how this game has stagnated, and I furthermore HATE that both leading wagons have been MIA right now...


You should sheep me!!
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Post Post #686 (isolation #49) » Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:09 am

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I really don't care how you feel about my posts.
Why do I have to believe you what you're not being oppurtunist at this moment to make me look bad. I know this is a town game. I get pissed when people dont' see when the facts are shown. I would just say that it is too bad that you're town. If that makes you feel mad. you should know that i am already MAD!!!!
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Post Post #688 (isolation #50) » Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:47 am

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↑ fferyllt wrote:You gave a couple links to goodmorning's scum games. But, you didn't explain what you thought matched GM's play in this game. What is GM's scum meta?


Too bad that I have to repeat this myself again. See the bolded.

↑ ArcAngel9 wrote:^ Scum summarize into shit out of nothing, that's how I am looking at these long posts, especially in this game. there isn't much content in any of these posts especially yours, you going over the same thing that you said after you replaced. nothing is much different. and indeed zero contribution.

Town, I am tired already, becuz i can't keep up with large summarizing posts especially when you expect similar kind of play style from me.
When I am lynched, please remember this properly...

FFerylt is a Wannabe Townie. Most of her posts don't have much content
and so is Z7, he is leaning more scum

Mac is town,
Not sure about CareyHammer
Eye fits between Scum/Town, so watch over...
GoodMorning, Her usual town play is bit srong, Its weird that she is not contributing much, and she lied about my Scum meta. so keep your eye open about her and remember how she wantee me to believe that she is not in scum this game, she wanted me to believe becuz each game we played so far, she was the scum in the most and I was right about her in each game.
Deras defence fit well to see him as town now.
Revenus is lurking lurking and lurking, Possible scum.
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Post Post #690 (isolation #51) » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:03 pm

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↑ fferyllt wrote:I don't see how that applies to the scum games you linked. What are we supposed to be looking for in those linked games?


the way she playing her current game is pretty much how she played with me on Friends and Enemies game.
What is that so hard not to understand in the games i have linked. Dont you see thst she is scum in both the games??
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Post Post #712 (isolation #52) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:50 am

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Lynch GM today and lynch me tomorrow. if you still want to kill me..
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Post Post #715 (isolation #53) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:55 am

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Or Vice Versa...
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Post Post #717 (isolation #54) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:58 am

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↑ Mac wrote:Can you give reasons for lynching GM that are not meta-related?


Meta was just one reason, Its not just that. Its also how she wanted me to see her has town first
And, how she is playing around as IC but not giving any real content to the subject and came up with simple list of names from town to scum.

↑ VisceraEyes wrote:I would rather lynch Z7 AA. You seem to be scum on Z7 too, and GM seems to be too. Why is Z7 an infeasible lynch again?


Z7 came and plastered reads right to the subject, there were no contradictions. That is very scummy and looked very oppurtunist at the same time. And his vote on GM looks like bussing. Yes, I would vote Z7 if everyone decide to go with it.
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Post Post #745 (isolation #55) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:58 am

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↑ fferyllt wrote:My scum game is way weaker than my town game. And my town game is difficult to emulate as scum. I'd say 4. Factor in that I'm a harsh self-critic.


this seems like you're pushing your town meta on us!! why?

↑ VisceraEyes wrote:AA said she'd vote but didn't. Here's hoping a little added support makes the prospect more attractive.


I said i would which I will do it at any point of time i wish.
I feel it is the right time to put pressure on Z7 to give actuall content to game than just repeating bits and pieces of others stories as his..
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Post Post #748 (isolation #56) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:01 am

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^ then you must link the games that you played as both Scum and Town. Meta is something not to be self explained.
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Post Post #749 (isolation #57) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:02 am

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↑ ArcAngel9 wrote:^ then you must link the games that you played as both Scum and Town. Meta is something not to be self explained.


this was meant for fferyllt
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Post Post #761 (isolation #58) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:25 am

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↑ Mac wrote:Not sure what to make of the Z wagon, but it seems to have risen VERY quick. Is it an Angel counterwagon? Can someone summarise the case? I need to re-read a bit too


Wasn't it you who also said that Z was just plastering reasons without content???? Why are you asking us the reasons now...
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Post Post #770 (isolation #59) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:40 am

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↑ Mac wrote:
↑ ArcAngel9 wrote:
↑ Mac wrote:Not sure what to make of the Z wagon, but it seems to have risen VERY quick. Is it an Angel counterwagon? Can someone summarise the case? I need to re-read a bit too


Wasn't it you who also said that Z was just plastering reasons without content???? Why are you asking us the reasons now...


Pretty sure I have 't? But a quick ISO of me has shown that I addressed 703 to the wrong person completely; should've been Viscera, not Z. I think.


Nope, I am talking about the below one, see the bolded.
You seem to be agreeing with pretty much with everyone about his paint sytle game play. Now deny it.

↑ Mac wrote:I'm baaaack!!

First of all activity seems to have stalled, like alot. New people have to get involved some more.
@ Mod - what's going down with this VisceraEyes chap?


667 - this is quite picky, I had a quick ISO of gm in some scum and some town games (and by quick, I mean Ctrl + F "reads") and whilst she does give more reasons in town games like that, she also gives reasons in scum games too. It's worth remembering, but it's quite a null tell and not particularly lynch worthy (and, that said, nothing meta-related is lynchworthy unless it's seriously bad., so bad I can't even think of an example.)

671 - agree wrt Z painting himself as a townie, it's like he's trying to encourage a case against GM. Don't really like it, GM says "not enough reads" and he tells her to stop attacking a townie. It's not a good reaction.


673 - Can't say I like paragraph one where you focus on only three players. I know you have town reads on a fair amount of people but I personally like to keep an open mind, or try to, throughout a game. Also, you seem pretty certain Angel is scum: should she flip town, who would you be looking at?

681 - this is the truth.

684 - not a good post. The "I AM TOWN" just stands out for me like it's her only defence, and not alot of scumhunting going on as a defence other than accusing herself of being in GM's way. Then she goes onto tell Rev to sheep her.

690- AA9's GM case... is meta-related? nooooooo no no NO. Find something in
this game
that makes GM scummy rather than saying she's acting the same: goodmorning is a good player and I highly doubt she'd repeat her scum play so obviously.
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Post Post #771 (isolation #60) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:44 am

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Now i am having seconds thoughts on my town read on MAC :(
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Post Post #785 (isolation #61) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:20 am

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Vis, this game needs moving..
I am okay to shift this wagon to GM if lynching Z is the problem. i haven't changed my reads on both of them yet.
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Post Post #818 (isolation #62) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:47 pm

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In post 803, fferyllt wrote:
In post 787, fferyllt wrote:
In post 785, ArcAngel9 wrote:Vis, this game needs moving..
I am okay to shift this wagon to GM if lynching Z is the problem. i haven't changed my reads on both of them
yet
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Yet?
btw this kind of hedge pings very loudly to me. Where I grew up playing mafia we eventually lynched that kind of wishy-washiness out of each other.
you're in a different site and people on this site play different.
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Post Post #852 (isolation #63) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:11 pm

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In post 842, VisceraEyes wrote:What a strange triangle of strangitude going on between GM/AA/Z7. Any two of them are willing to lynch the last. That's important somehow. :/

Yeah, I'm fully rereading tonight guys.
it will beyond strange if all of them turn out to be town...
at least i am sure about myself...
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Post Post #863 (isolation #64) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:22 pm

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In post 854, goodmorning wrote:UGH AA

STOP CHALLENGING MY PERCEPTIONS OF YOU

UGH DERAS

STOP BEING FE'S SECOND HAND AND START THINKING LOGICALLY
Bring it on GM, I know you're scum again...and i can't wait to show it to you everyone.
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Post Post #872 (isolation #65) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:33 pm

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^Scum getting paranoid. need bit motivation
VOTE: GoodMorning
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Post Post #886 (isolation #66) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:53 pm

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In post 882, fferyllt wrote:Jesus Christ this game.
i know this would come....

In post 884, fferyllt wrote:That's twice AA has jumped onto an L-2 wagon today unless I am misremembering.
so, whats your point? i know you're reading the game..so is others.
Isn't the GM and Z7 both are my strong scum reads?
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Post Post #891 (isolation #67) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:56 pm

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fine. I love hammering GM anyways....
unvote
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Post Post #892 (isolation #68) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:57 pm

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In post 890, goodmorning wrote:SEVER SHOULD BE SEVERAL

SEVER IS MORE APPROPRIATE TO MY MOOD

FF I LOVE YOU AND I'M SORRY I EVER DOUBTED YOU
Buddying up?
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Post Post #896 (isolation #69) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:11 pm

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In post 894, fferyllt wrote:
In post 886, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 882, fferyllt wrote:Jesus Christ this game.
i know this would come....

In post 884, fferyllt wrote:That's twice AA has jumped onto an L-2 wagon today unless I am misremembering.
so, whats your point? i know you're reading the game..so is others.
Isn't the GM and Z7 both are my strong scum reads?
What is your hurry? Afraid town will take off in another direction?
I am Town, And any direction that town moves and i ll move along.
And i am afraid of getting lynched. I am very well aware that not all town team will survive to the end, i know that some of us will have to be either mislynched or night killed by mafia, i just didn't want to go down without a fight.

What confusing me about you is that since morning that you were neither interested nor shown uninterested in any of the wagons today.
that is not good.
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Post Post #1002 (isolation #70) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:02 pm

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In post 938, VisceraEyes wrote:Anyways I'm off tow ork. It might be about 2 hours before I'm in a position to play Mafia, but I should be back on soon enough.

I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on a Mac lynch versus a GM lynch.
GM must go first.!!!
In post 959, Mac wrote:As for Eye, I haven't like him since AA9 joined.

I already stated that he tried to back up AA9's "one scum in IC/2SE because mod didn't randomize" argument with maths and logic which I think his him possibly subtly pushing towards this to get people towards pushing an IC/SE scumhunt and away from him. It felt like it was sorta buddying AA9 too, softpushing her poor argument with probablity and logic. Like I said earlier though, he voted her afterwards which is like a complete chnge and he moves quickly from 'terrible town' to 'scum.'

He offers his vote for GM in #210 and then doesn't vote her until #401 and quickly unvotes with some revelation that needs a reread. he doesn't really explain as such, and then reveals a re-read hasn't actually changed his opinion but clouded it up.

And then there's the second GM vote, "for Deras." Looks like he's using Deras as an excuse to vote GM, then his case comes after GM pushes for it. Why wait? Makes no sense to me.

pedit; I do that as town, playstyle and things, ya know? It's not a part I'm proud of and it's something I'm actively trying to change. Can you point to times where I've been a "cheerleader?"
I also think Eye could be possible scum, Eye is another poster who i don't have good feeling about content. His large posts and logical calculation statments freaks me out, they pretty much look like a wanna be townie. if you are suspicious about Eye, you should vote him. If GM and Z lynches are not happneing today, eye is another person i would prefer to lynch.

In post 975, fferyllt wrote:
In post 972, VisceraEyes wrote:Deras is...a mystery. He's an X factor. He was here yesterday and he actually voted me when the wagon took off. Do you know where he stands on me presently? Do you know if he actually thinks GM is scum?
Deras, Eye Urn bothered me equally in that respect.

AA's naked survivalism was at least clearly what it was. Their motivations? I don't know.
If you think this is a joke, Its not funny!!!!


Can we just end this day in some way, I don't care who dies now.. this game is not moving and it is frustruting to see that how we are going over the same topics in a circle jerk. We talked about how I had calculated 1 posssible scum in SE/IC's like a million times and i don't have energy to go over these topics again and agian. This day has already extended unnecessarily. I don't care if I am getting lynched today, if that could give you guys more information... Just get done with this day please....
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Post Post #1004 (isolation #71) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:06 pm

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Is MAC at L-1???
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Post Post #1007 (isolation #72) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:09 pm

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In post 1003, VisceraEyes wrote:I find it extremely ironic that Mac was opposed to Z's case on GM being based on meta, saying "find me stuff in
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game that makes GM scummy" and yet, when confronted with behavior I find scummy from
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game to attack Mac with, all he's got is "But meta!! META
!!!"

PEdit:
AA then vote Mac and I promise we'll lynch scum.
I would like to see the actual MAC post of the bolded statement? I mean, I really want to see what MAC words are... MAC had town read on GM. now he saying GM is scum? quote that post, my vote will be yours to command.
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Post Post #1022 (isolation #73) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:23 pm

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In post 1010, VisceraEyes wrote:
In post 693, Mac wrote:690- AA9's GM case... is meta-related? nooooooo no no NO.
Find something in this game that makes GM scummy
rather than saying she's acting the same: goodmorning is a good player and I highly doubt she'd repeat her scum play so obviously.
and where is the post he supported META cause?
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Post Post #1031 (isolation #74) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:35 pm

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In post 1026, Eye Urn wrote:While not as strongly as in the past, I still like Mac as Town, even after he voted for me and actually that caused me to like him more. He is absolutely right that my recent update to where my vote is being placed looks like shit when you aren't fully aware of my thought processes. Two things happened between that post and my previous one: VE agreed he needed to read the thread, and Deras said he'd be interested in a GM lynch if there was more support. If one had been psychic, one would have known that GM was the most scummy person to me and thus the default placement once the vote on VE was no longer needed, and I failed to realize that people aren't always following your entire train of thought, especially since my vote had been on AA9 before VE. Looking back on it, I should have said something more like I said later.

It does bother me that Mac didn't later see my line of thought and pull back his vote, but human minds work very illogically. I don't fault him at all for thinking some of my behavior recently has been scummy, nor do I for that particular post putting him over the edge. My digression into statistics was ill-advised and ill-worded, and I'm not surprised if it was read the wrong way. I explained what I meant the best I could and if he can't figure it out, oh well. Unlike GM, I don't care what other people think about me.

Now after thinking about it I can totally see GM's continual slips of showing that she hasn't read the thread closely to be coming from a townie. She just doesn't want to be bothered with playing the game well, she just wants to play it her way and damn the consequences. It's in such opposition to the way I try to play it's remarkable. It's also very anti-town. If she's not scum, she's doing town a huge disfavor
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I can compare that to AA9 whose arguments literally make no sense and is wantonly disregarding how her self-preservation votes are looking and say that it just seems way totally too obviously bad for it to be legitimately scum-based. She's also doing town a huge disfavor by existing in this game, and while I can vote to remove her as well, I think it's less likely that she's actually scum
. Day 1 with brand-new people you've never met things aren't going to be very clear cut; I just have to take my stand against the person I think is helping town the least by their presence.

The only people I will vote to lynch right now are AA9 and GM. I could possibly be convinced to lynch VE, Z7, and ffer, if someone puts forward a decent enough case. I'd rather no lynch than lynch Mac, Rev, or Deras.
Wow did you just Softly admitted that you wanted to Policylynch GM and ME becuase you suck at scum hunting.
and btw your long useless posts hurts my eye each time i read them.

I rather see you go... than anyone at this moment.

Unvote

VOTE: Eye Urn
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Post Post #1033 (isolation #75) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:36 pm

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In post 1028, VisceraEyes wrote:WHY IN THE HOLY FUCK WOULD YOU LYNCH ME EU?!
Becuz EU is wanna be townie. you should join me and lynch Eu today. And I promise i ll sheep you rest of this game.
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Post Post #1034 (isolation #76) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:37 pm

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In post 1032, VisceraEyes wrote:Like you fucking shit. I fell asleep at 4am reading this motherfucker, at YOUR behest because I think you're town. You don't even COMMENT on my points against Mac, only rehash your own fucking points and why they may or may not be valid. Why would you even CARE if I read the thread if YOU'RE NOT EVEN INTERESTED IN WHAT I POST AFTER I DO?!
You should quote your posts first!!!!
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Post Post #1039 (isolation #77) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:49 pm

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ffery, Explain how Eye is town for you!!
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Post Post #1074 (isolation #78) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:49 pm

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In post 1071, VisceraEyes wrote:Let's lynch EU
Someone finally with BRAINS. this is the best post so far....
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Post Post #1075 (isolation #79) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:52 pm

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In post 1068, fferyllt wrote:reactive game and survivor tells, mostly.

After she replaced in, I read a scum game of hers where she claimed beloved princess and threatened a town loss if she was lynched. That sort of gambit wouldn't work in the newbie games, but the scum easter egg hunt might have flown in a more gullible crowd. That's pretty much a long shot, though.
Listen girl, you're just over thinking. you're talking about a bastard game.. are you comparing a newbie game with bastard game? that's the worst comparison ever.. that game was suppose to be played in that way.. each player has a hidden win-condition along with their team alignment, i was janitor and my hidden agenda was to over face the God father and be the beloved princess of the town.

I had to what i had to do to survive. that doesn't tell you anything. and since you don't give a shit about meta, why are you basing your read on my scum meta???
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Post Post #1081 (isolation #80) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:17 pm

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oh really... you should try play a game with yourself and see how you would feel playing with a player like you and how you find yourself ending up in circle jerk. Haven't you seen how pissed off i am with this game with the way we have been running behind multiple wagons but not getting lucky with even one, do you even have a count how many wagons went all the way close to lynch in this game on this day phase?

i am tired of this stupid way of playing, it has come to a level that i offered my self lynch which i would never do even if i am the scum.
Like you said, I almost do anything to survive and not to give up any shit, you should thinks already since you seem to have done some meta check.... now stop giving me free lecture and just pick a side and put an end to this night mare... your over scumhunt right now not going to do any difference anymore for this day...
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Post Post #1082 (isolation #81) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:18 pm

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In post 1078, TraceyLyn11 wrote:
Revenus requested replacement.

Searching...
LOL, this would happen more if we don't freaking end this day today.
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Post Post #1084 (isolation #82) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:25 pm

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GoodMorning, why is your vote on Z? if you want to lynch Eye?
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Post Post #1109 (isolation #83) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:39 am

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Can we just lynch Eye today and move on...
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Post Post #1116 (isolation #84) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:26 am

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In post 1100, goodmorning wrote:
In post 1084, ArcAngel9 wrote:GoodMorning, why is your vote on Z? if you want to lynch Eye?
Because I would be happy with a lynch on any of {Z, Fe, Mac}.

@Mac: I think the instance was indeed you buddying. It's not necessarily a scumtell, but it's something I want to look at.
The instance you had with me getting excited to see a familiar, competent face is just that: excitement to see a familiar, competent face.
Why not Eye, I thought you were okay lynching him??
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Post Post #1132 (isolation #85) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:50 pm

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In post 1129, Eye Urn wrote:I'm not going to apologize for any of my play. Any meanness I have shown to people I have felt was 100% deserved. If you don't get it, then that's your problem. My patience for this game is wearing extremely thin. If people want to lynch me, I'll not argue too strenuously that it's a bad idea. It's become clear to me that this site is not what I first thought it was, and that I am not going to like it here. I don't have the patience to explain my lines of thinking to people in the format that's available, because I can't actually gauge their reactions to certain things as I explain them. Without knowing what aspects they're glazing over, it's an impossible task.

VOTE: ArcAngel9

I am explicitly not providing a reason for changing my vote. You'll have to figure it out for yourself. I'm done holding hands.
The world says that this is OMGUS!!!!
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Post Post #1133 (isolation #86) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:51 pm

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And there is no actual case in your vote.. Huh!!!
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Post Post #1136 (isolation #87) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:52 pm

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In post 1040, fferyllt wrote:Explain how you think I have him as town. I said yesterday I was considering a vote on him after he hopped from VE to GM yesterday.
Time to prove your honesty. Hammer Eye please...
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Post Post #1141 (isolation #88) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:54 pm

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In post 1137, VisceraEyes wrote:"Considering" doesn't mean "will hammer to prove loyalty" as far as I'm aware...
it doesn't and i am not denying it either..
I am just tired withthis day... its freaking longest day 1 ever...
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Post Post #1146 (isolation #89) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:59 pm

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In post 1139, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1136, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 1040, fferyllt wrote:Explain how you think I have him as town. I said yesterday I was considering a vote on him after he hopped from VE to GM yesterday.
Time to prove your honesty. Hammer Eye please...
shut the fuck up.
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Post Post #1148 (isolation #90) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:03 pm

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In post 1142, VisceraEyes wrote:I think one of my other games has that record actually...
Oh no... the longest Day 1 record on Newbie game has 1045 posts.. This game Day 1 is now the new record.
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Post Post #1149 (isolation #91) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:05 pm

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In post 1147, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1146, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 1139, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1136, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 1040, fferyllt wrote:Explain how you think I have him as town. I said yesterday I was considering a vote on him after he hopped from VE to GM yesterday.
Time to prove your honesty. Hammer Eye please...
shut the fuck up.
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Do I need to explain why that was a stupid thing to post?

I hope not.
becuz you're being boorish and you deserve that!!! :roll:
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Post Post #1151 (isolation #92) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:06 pm

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oh yeah..how about your posting style.. don't kill yourself.. I will give forgive you...
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Post Post #1160 (isolation #93) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:37 pm

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Tracey- i know you're the mod, but you should stop extending the deadline eachtime a player ask for replacement. This game started on March 28 and today's date is April 18th, And we are still in the day1.
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Post Post #1163 (isolation #94) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:48 pm

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↑ fferyllt wrote:
^^ DISAGREE


Remember, you're not the only one playing the game.

↑ VisceraEyes wrote:Long games favor town - it's not like the game is stalled or anything, we're all here (mostly) and discussing things.


Sometimes, its debtable topic and also helps scum to drive the wagons off their heads, that's what i feel about Z7 today.. and that is what happening with Eye now. I am disappointed and tired of playing. And people like ffery has different expectations altogther and if you don't comply to it and play along.. their reaction would be the similar to the above post.
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Post Post #1164 (isolation #95) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:51 pm

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And btw, usually a large game with 25 players don't run 20 days Day1's.. this is hillarious.
I want to play a good game, but i don't want to play like a cripple where i have to drag dragggg draggg like an old audio tape and then end up making mistakes which either ways we would make... Its a 9 players game with 2 scums, mislynches are least expected. I you all don't agree, thats okay.. but thats real and i am a realistic person.
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Post Post #1167 (isolation #96) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:02 pm

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↑ VisceraEyes wrote:What specifically did you not like about Frop's posting? Or is it exclusively Z that you don't like (where I'm at)?

What makes you think "that is what is happening with Eye now"? He's at L-1 with intent to hammer stated...

PEdit:
I didn't say the game length isn't annoying, it absolutely is...but berating the mod? Getting angry that people aren't hammering? You're annoyed that people aren't playing the way YOU want, in the same way you're accusing feryl of acting.


wait are you seriously asking me that question. I just said that its been 20 days that this day started. You can't blame me for being desperate to end this day.... And its not like I was asking for a quick end for a day.. Again, like i said i was being realistic not arrogant.
Moreover, Feryl happily pointing out the extention time line like she doesnt' have any interest in ending it anytime soon.

Why didn't I ask you at the same way nor others? becuz I see the similar intention in all , we all are playing for the win-condinting and my point is that I don't see that spirit in Feryl.. the only thing i am worried right now is that more time is going to put us in another circle jerk...

If our today's lynch flip as town, What we going to do? How could that be any different the mislynch that you do at the right time or after running through several circles on the same lines all over?? I just feel that was the waste of time.. and not to mention about the various replacements and all the effort and time we have spent in learning the other person was futile.. now GIF, we don't know what he is ..and he might change the perception of Revenues and play a different game.. When we start the next day, we will still be in similar kind of circle...
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Post Post #1169 (isolation #97) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:05 pm

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↑ GuyInFreezer wrote:
DayVig: Carey

is what I'm feeling at this moment.

@AA9: How many total extra time was added in this day so far?


the deadline was set to end today (in next 40 mins) but now we have 70 hours extented. :roll:
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Post Post #1172 (isolation #98) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:14 pm

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If you refer to my post 1163, I did supported the long days, especially if it is a large game. Long days in large games help us in learning game and large amount of players as it needed but for a 9 player game, i think a week or 10 days should be fairly good to gain a good understanding on game and players but 20 days is what i feel bit too much and now with an extension to it is what i think is bit out of line. Otherwise i didn't meant to address that D1 long days are bad... I am usually against the quick lynches and but just didn't want to end up playing like a cripple.
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Post Post #1197 (isolation #99) » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:05 am

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Let's ask and take more time.... so we can understand everyone :)
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Post Post #1242 (isolation #100) » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:47 pm

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In post 1217, GuyInFreezer wrote:AA9's #1031 is terribad.
"You want to policy lynch? I'll policy lynch you instead!"

Not sure if it's alignment-indicative, though.
Shut up and read through the end GIF!!!
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Post Post #1296 (isolation #101) » Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:36 pm

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In post 1244, fferyllt wrote:I think you had a look at AA9's posts/slot. If not, she'd be good. I was cautious about her initially because I had some concerns about AlexisTay3. Goodmorning and Revenus. Revenus put very little down in the thread, so GiF's gotten an almost spotless slot. Goodmorning has such a different play style that I have trouble reading her, and I worry that I've underestimated her.
this post is joke of the year, you think you really know how to read people?? Let me tell you the truth lady..
you suck at reading people...I can bet on that.... once this game is over, i am going to laugh at your scum hunting.


In post 1263, GuyInFreezer wrote:So far, I have fferyllt and VE as strong town.
EU looked ok at first, but later posts quickly devolves.
AA9 is playing like textbook scum. The only thing that bothers me is that she did that on every games that I played with her.
Z7 is leaning town. I don't know how ppl scumread him.
Deras/Mac/GM is null (or rather, didn't focus on them quite yet. I like focusing one person at a time, but time doesn't let me do so.)
If i am the text book scum, why aren't you voting me GIF???
And explain what is that you find town about Z7

In post 1269, VisceraEyes wrote:So the question becomes: do we stay the course with an Eye lynch or do we switch gears into an Angel lynch? Obviously Angel will want to weigh in, but I suspect she'll just fly off the handle and complain about circle-jerking some more, so I doubt that will be much help. What do you think?

Frankly I could go either way, but there's a preexisting wagon on Eye. :/ What do you think?
i think i am not going to spend anymore talking about this day, i don't care if i am getting lynched
its a most fucked town game ever!!!
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Post Post #1298 (isolation #102) » Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:38 pm

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Lynch Z7 and Eye tomorrow please
and Ffery is anti town as fuck
GIF is obvious VI.

GM, you should vote me now, i want you to vote me and prove these idiots how pathetic they are with their game play.
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Post Post #1299 (isolation #103) » Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:38 pm

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In post 1297, GuyInFreezer wrote:But I am!!!
yes derp.. you did, i can see that now!!!
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Post Post #1315 (isolation #104) » Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:37 pm

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In post 1302, VisceraEyes wrote:
In post 1298, ArcAngel9 wrote:Lynch Z7 and Eye tomorrow please
and Ffery is anti town as fuck
GIF is obvious VI.

GM, you should vote me now, i want you to vote me and prove these idiots how pathetic they are with their game play.
Who do you think you are?
town you idiot.
In post 1303, Mac wrote:I think there are more lynchworthy targets than AA9 tbh. Guy can you expand on your reasoning a little motte?

AA9 who are your scumreads and why?

If it comes close to deadline I'll hammer but I'd rather lynch Eye.
are you kidding me? are you even reading the game? I have babbling who i want to lynch and you're asking who are my scum reads? seriously??
In post 1307, GuyInFreezer wrote:Wait a second.

AA9, why do you want GM to hammer you out of all people?
Becuz, i see her available at time my post you
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Post Post #1316 (isolation #105) » Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:41 pm

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Now scum would be laughing around with the way the wagon has turned to me.
this game is totally filled with bunch of stubborn people who loves being in circle jerk. I am done with you all. I am happy that i am getting mislynched today. becuz i really doubt that town could win this game.
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Post Post #1319 (isolation #106) » Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:01 pm

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In post 1317, goodmorning wrote:Honestly I'm still holding out hope for the Fe wagon to rise from the ashes again.
you shouldn't. Even if you does that this wagon will come back to me. I have already lost interest playing this game anyways, I don't self vote otherwise i would have voted myself. and I dont want replace out and have someone else walk into this torture.
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Post Post #1358 (isolation #107) » Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:04 pm

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Mislynch you losers!!!!

Lynch Z7 and Eye, and also keep your options open on GM too.
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Post Post #1368 (isolation #108) » Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:34 pm

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In post 1363, fferyllt wrote:Yeah, she may flip town. We'll see.

I just don't want the basis of my read to go unsaid. I never assume I'm getting another game day.
you knew that i may flip town but you still voted and supported the wagon.. ?? Seriously..do you even know how to play mafia and win???

Its a tragic to play with you... i will remind myself to not to sign up a game that you're playing. huh!!!
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Post Post #1370 (isolation #109) » Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:39 pm

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LIAR!!!!!!
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Post Post #2702 (isolation #110) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:00 pm

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Didn't say MAC was scum??
and somebody convinced me he is not!!!!!

SADD :(
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Post Post #2706 (isolation #111) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:27 pm

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TBH, i hated the day 1!!
it was a circle jerk!!!!!!
and i hated the replacements, each time there is a replace, it was butt hurt becuz we all were going through same arguments again and again.
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