MICRO 172: DRAGON BALL Z [TOWN WIN]

[Vegito]

Oh god a Fuzzy/Beli slot? I'm going to be reading it as scum foreverandalways.

I'll be posting more than Nacho on account of his weak ass punk internet, but he should be showing up occasionally.

I'll leave it to him to sign if he wants to. I can't be arsed.

p-edit: Right? We've been wanting to do this hydra for a while now. When I saw a DBZ game, I was like OH HEEEEELL YEAH.

[Vegito]

I didn't actually even run it by Nacho... I hope he doesn't get mad >.>

[Vegito]

DBZ too old. Plus too exaggerated

Get the fuck out of my mafia.

I still find it funny that Belisarius knows nothing of this right now.

We're bad people, Fuzzy, dragging people into games unwittingly.

I love you, marry me, and have my children.

VOTE: Pope
Post 69.

Hmmm... Bacde is pretty fishy, but whatevs.
VOTE: sword_of_omens
For criticizing our awesomeness

Unvote; Vote:Pope

You can be town for now.

Nowhere does it say there are two scum in the game.
VOTE: Ghostlin

Micros are typically 2 scum, since it's a 9p game.

Right, right, the only thing is assumptions don't work here, kid. There might be a cult for all we know.

Yeah, I officially have

no

problem lynching you.

Now, if you link me to a chk game, particularly a mini, where he used a Cult or a single SK as the antagonist, I would gladly redact my assumption of two scum.

I was SK in a game that also had a cult. It was a trial run for mainstream's large theme.

well I'm glad p4 is over

Oh god me too.

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More in the next post.

[Vegito]

Someone replace out so Selkies can play plz.

[Vegito]

his more recent posts look better though

No they don't. He was trying to push someone as scum for assuming normal in a game that isn't advertised as bastard. And then he rebuked the arguments with "yeah well you couldn't possibly know 100% i mean that's just like scientific FACT!"*, and a slew of other speculative, absolutely useless outguess-the-mod garbage.

*This isn't a direct quote, this is a paraphrase of his attitude for the sake of humor. Ask me to quote it, and I swear to god I will break your fucking neck like a breadstick.

his more recent posts look better though

agree.

Guuuurl this is

my

turf. We do things a bit differently here. Sheep the Jiffy. Love the Jiffy.

Pepper's 112 gives me bad vibes.

Guys this is a chk game. So don't assume scum numbers.

...

About the number of scum. 9p game. I think I would also say 2 scums.

Vote Dr. P

You continue to do things that make me like you. Keep it up.

I voted you, because your big post seems fake. I don't get the feeling that you are actually suspicious of either of them when I read your post.

Yes.

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More in the next post.

[Vegito]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ghostlin

Why.

D-d-d-d-d-d-double post

No one would quickhammer because they know it would look scummy SUSPICION =/= YOU HAVE TO VOTE. Show me the rule. I don't understand why you center on that, and WHY IT IS SCUMMY IN ANY WAY.

It isn't that you didn't vote someone you had suspicion for, it's that you voted someone you

didn't

.

RVS, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF IT
AT THIS STAGE SUSPICIONS DON'T MATTER BECAUSE IT'S ALL INSTINCT
I'm not one to shout, sorry.

#caughtscum

I'm really not seeing the problem with being suspicious of one player and voting another; I think it's called "not tunnelling."

One does not simply have a scum read and vote a null read.

RVS, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF IT
AT THIS STAGE SUSPICIONS DON'T MATTER BECAUSE IT'S ALL INSTINCT
I'm not one to shout, sorry.

this post is fake can we lynch this guy plzkthx

<3 Hi townbacde.

Page 8 was awful and I never want to read it again.

215/216 town Ghostlin.

VOTE: TIP

doubt it

#townposting

This is a bad wagon. I'll get to it tomorrow why Dr P is a better option.

They're both fantastic options, actually.

@Mod: Requesting Replacement

Nvm.

Don't lynch me, I'm town.

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Ok I'm caught up. Comprehensive reads list in the next post.

[Vegito]

Town
{PimHel, Ghostlin, Bacde}

Null
{Omen, fferylt, TNE, Hamlet}

Scum
{TheIrishPope}

If you're null, interact with me so I can read you. Or don't, and I'll just POE you as scum.

[Vegito]

Lets turn out the lights and get intimate.

[Vegito]

Aha, signature.

[Vegito]

I'm gonna go ISO the nulls and see where I can place them.

[Vegito]

If you come back and say that you're now leaning town on omen it may drive me to drink

I'd say start drinking but the liquor store is closed and I'd hate for you to drink alone.


Updated:
Town
{PimHel,

Ghostlin

,

Bacde

,

Omen

, fferylt}

Scum
{

TheIrishPope

,

TNE

,

Hamlet

}

Bolded are stronger, italicized are weaker.

Feel pretty good about this game being over if we just lynch through my scum reads, though.

[Vegito]

Now off to go take care of

that other hydra

so I can hitdaclub and watch another episode or two of Mad Men.

[Vegito]

Vegito, you're scum.

I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there.

You should vote Pope.

[Vegito]

4) Again, no one talks about their claim as 'shit is about to go down.' NO ONE.

Hated might soft about L-1 in that way, but... Pope is scum, so yeah.

[Vegito]

Well, my vote isn't on anyone for now. Ghostlin, I did not town PR claim...
And Vegito, I don't understand your reasons. If you're not voting Ghostlin for obvious reasons then you are scum.

I have a town read on Ghostlin. Is that obvious enough?

[Vegito]

Vegito, state your reasons for voting me once again and you'll see the error of your ways.

My ISO isn't that long. Probably less than 10 posts. How about you go check it yourself.

Hey Vegita, I'm hoping the Nacho head can come out and play too.

He sent me a PM today saying he forgot the password (for the second time in the past two weeks).
He should pop in eventually.

[Vegito]

Your posts are fucking walls of text. How can I possibly decipher them?

Mate, if you think

my

posts are walls of text, you aught to find a new game to play. I'm very brief in contrast to many of the players on this site.

[Vegito]

Sure.

You have a scum wincon. This leads to scum motivation for your posting. Scum motivation shows through in your intent behind your posts. All of this is readily available in your ISO, and the supporting arguments for this point of view are available - with quotes - in my ISO.

[Vegito]

Sure.

You have a scum wincon. This leads to scum motivation for your posting. Scum motivation shows through in your intent behind your posts. All of this is readily available in your ISO, and the supporting arguments for this point of view are available - with quotes - in my ISO.

I could just repeat this and say the same thing about you. You make no sense.

I can evince my argument with quotes. Can you?

[Vegito]

You never talked about scum motivation behind my actions, and have not justified your posts. How can you be so hypocritical? Your only reason for voting me is "Post 69 lol"

Pretty much empirically wrong on every level. But I suppose you just need a reason to OMGUS me, right?

Town motivation behind his posts and why he is not scummier than me.

In English?

[Vegito]

No. I can see Pope's actions coming from town. Dr P has done the actions coming from a scum mindset.

Go through my ISO and explain how each point I make on Pope has town motivation.

And while you're at it, you could try reading

me

, since we now know that Pepper was a colossal idiot.

[Vegito]

Show and explain Ghostlin's town motivation behind his posts and actions. Also, state why I look scummier in your eyes.
And don't use those silly logical fallacies you always use.
PimHel does not need to read you. Having read DP, PimHel is certain you replaced into a scum slot.

1) Ghostlin is town for posts 215/216. Like really obvtown. As in scum doesn't make those kinds of posts.
2) Ergo you're scummier by contrast just by the virtue of how town Ghostlin is. You

are

, however, scummier for other reasons as well. I'll get to that.
3) What fallacies? Using buzzwords doesn't make your argument stronger.
4) PimHel

does

need to read me. I am a player in a slot. If he is town, then he can't be

certain

I replaced into a scum slot. If he's scum, then I guess he's got the wool over my eyes.

Spoiler: PopeScum

Post 69 is self-explanatory and has already been discussed to death.
Your vote of Ghostlin in 82 "nowhere does it say 2 scum..." reeks of scum looking for a reason to distract from their wagon.
Your 84 deflection was pure scumshit.
158 is more scum deflection by way of misrep.
161 is obvious caughtscum posting.
213 (touched on by Ghostlin in aforementioned posts) is sickeningly bad.
238 was a trash attempt to softclaim the wagon away.
332 was more scum deflection.
OMGUS in 343 with misrepped reasons.

All of the above spoilered was readily available in the ISO. In fact, you can ISO me and this post side-by-side and pick out exactly where each one comes from.

Now can we

please

lynch the shit out of Pope?

[Vegito]

You may be waiting a very long time. He's not even posting regularly on his main, and he never remembers the PW for this account.

[Vegito]

still waiting for Nacho to show up

What's this about nacho?

The other half of this hydra.

Why have you avoided my question on why you're voting Ghostlin? I think I've had a few other issues with you, as well. You should probably ctrl+f your name and subsequently "TNE" in my ISO so you can answer everything. Otherwise... I will be coming for you.

Wow, you totally convinced me and everyone else that I am really scum.
You should be less obvious on deflecting questions.
In any case, if I am at L-1, please say intent to hammer or something similar.

[Vegito]

I can either assume I'm playing this game with Majiffy, which means my Majiffy bullshit-shield is fully engaged, or I can assume that I'm playing with a Majiffy/Nacho hydra in which case Nacho's opinions and play might get through the perimeter.

Heh

Also y u no vote Pope. He has practically admitted he's scum.

[Vegito]

Guess scum doesn't understand sarcasm.

Suddenly I'm scum... where's the vote?

Here's a better translation of what happened: you realized you were fucked and couldn't respond. And seeing as no one else had yet had the chance to say "oh wow look at that case!" you decided to try to deflect it off with a snarky response.

Yeah, I'm a pro of that technique. Just go read some of my scum wins. I know

allll

about it, buddy.

Also, jiffy, does Nacho know this is a thing yet?

We both received the role PM on our mains, and he sent me a PM a day or two ago because he forgot the hydra password. So yeah, pretty sure he's aware.

[Vegito]

Oh right you

did

vote me. For shitty OMGUS reasons.

[Vegito]

I might not be the towniest, but I'm not the scummiest. It seems odd that I was alright until Vegito came in with his fancy words and awkwardly stated arguments.

Oh, it's your

reading comprehension

that's getting in the way of your refuting my case on you. Gotcha.

I do believe that he has chosen me as his "easy target", meaning that everyone should not listen to Vegito. He's scum and is targeting a defenseless townie.

Yes. You're my easy target as a townie. Once I get you flipping scum, I can look for associatives and crush your teammates.

[Vegito]

I'm not fucked. You have no case.

Lol.

Thing is, I won't flip scum, because you are scum.

I bus a lot, so that logic doesn't make a whole lick of sense. I particularly enjoy bussing the scummy teammates.

That's what scum does: tunnels on someone.

Town does too. Maybe you should play a few games in the Newbie forum before you try to play with the big boys.

I have no idea why scum continue to do this, even though everyone knows it's a scumtell. So don't tunnel, and I might see you as town.

Maybe because it's not a scumtell, it's a playstyle tell.

[Vegito]

So don't tunnel, and I might see you as town.

This

, by the by, is a legitimate scumtell. Scum

need

to be read as town, and thus place a higher value on being townread. Ergo they use town reads as a bargaining chip to try to change the attitudes of townies.

[Vegito]

1. Classy.
2. So you're admitting you're bussing as scum...
3. Town is objective and looks at everyone. Scum tunnels. Disprove me on that, I dare you. Do you mean that you are a big boy because you tunnel on someone? Wow, I'm scared now.
4. So your only excuse is "this is how I play so fuck you."

1. This game isn't about class. It's about being right.
2. That would require you to be scum... You slippin' bro?
3. How exactly do you expect me to "disprove" you on that? Give you links of town tunneling? How many do you want? I've got a lot of town games.
4. Excuse? Wouldn't call it that, exactly.

And others have not done the exact same thing?
You're running in circles and pulling shit out of your ass. Get your other hydra partner here, maybe he's more useful.

Wait, your refutation of that is "nuh uh ohter people have done it look at them not me!"?
Jesus fuck you need to go back to scum school and learn to not suck.

[Vegito]

Other *

[Vegito]

This dude... I want this shit lynched now.
1. Focus on intent. After all, that's what this game is all about. You avoiding that point leads me to believe that your intent is to not answer incriminating questions. So scum.
2. So we're both scum? If I be slippin', you be slippin'.
3. Yes. Link them all. I want to see them.
4. What would you call it? Again, avoiding question.

That's what I'm saying. Look at other people. Don't tunnel if you want to be taken seriously. If other people are doing the same, then according to your logic, they are all scum.

1. Avoiding what point? That your arguments are ridiculously bad?
2. No; my statement was a general statement about my gameplay as scum. Yours was a direct claim that implied I must be bussing you, ergo you must be scum. You want to talk about intent? It's all in there. You want me lynched after you flip scum. Let me guess; your partner is TNE?
3. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Majiffy have fun.
4. I'd call it a refutation. I'm not avoiding anything.

You should be one to talk about tunneling; you've been doing nothing but treating me as confirmed scum since I stated I'd be pushing for you for the remainder of the day. I've looked at other people; that's readily available as I have reads on every player in the game. What have

you

offered?

[Vegito]

THIS IS THE BEST HYDRA NAME EVER
I AM GOING TO DESTROY THE WORLD

[Vegito]

look at that cocky fucking face
and those classy fucking earrings
TIP, you better just give up trying to call us scum now, just follow us to the scum's funerals so we can throw a crazy party afterwards

[Vegito]

I haven't read the game yet.

[Vegito]

But considering he had 3 scum, probably not.

[Vegito]

I...do not want a Day 1 lynch five pages in. L-2 would mean both scum would have to jump on to hammer. That's going to be pretty easy to detect them. If someone voted after me, it'd put you at L-1, which even if you are scum, your partner could hammer and end the day. That's why I mentioned no more votes on you. We're on Page 5. We don't have enough information to lynch anyone yet. I only have an accusation of waffling, and now this rather incoherent defense of things you should already sorta know about.

This sort of votes confuse me quite a bit. What purpose does L-2 serve specifically? You don't want him to claim, you don't want other people to do anything... the only purpose this has is shutting down the wagon, which isn't something you want if you agree with it.

Chance doesn't matter, it's all up to chkflip's ideas. You can't talk about probability and predictability in a deterministic world. How do you even get a 0.1% rate? Do you have a magic calculator?

This is crazy as hell, but I find this sort of posting to be town as shit because you can definitely tell he believes it and I don't see him pushing this sort of thing when he knows there are two scum. He strikes me as an honest scum player, not a paranoia-sowing sneaky one.

As for me not commenting on whats happening now, I live on a different timezone, so Inwas asleep while everyone was being active

You're defending against an accusation no one has made.

Post #118 is sort of baller, yeah.

Hmm, I wonder why people always think my posts seem fake, cause Thats how I really felt about the issue. So can you explain why that is, so I can see it? Besides, at this early stage, I can't really be suspicious of anyone too much just by basing it on that exchange, it has only been 2 days irl.

I find this scummy because it's not a natural response as town. When someone posts a case on you and you have no idea what the hell they are talking about is "explain why that is, so I can see it too" as opposed to "whoops you don't have a case/scum/anything".

I am tempted to write off the Ghostlin/pope stuff ast t v t, but...not quite there.

I would have loved to ask you why/why not, but it's been a while since you've posted this.

I'm liking DrPepper's later posting much, much better. Leaning back to Ghostlin as top scum suspect.

I'm not voting you right now because as terrible as that comment was, I can't imagine it getting past a scum player's self-censoring process.

You've never played with Vezok, have you? I caught him once by a blantant chainsaw.

TiP's not Vezok, but it's scummy as hell you would try to make a comparison like that.

DrPepper is town as shit as of his replaceout.

gonna post this now so majiffy can laugh at me

[Vegito]

Ghostlin assuming there is a vengeful is scummy when in fact its a big deal and very scummy:

+900000000000

I feel like Nacho is easier to read, but I got him wrong pretty badly once, which sullies an otherwise perfect multi-site record of figuring him out.

Pretty badly? When was this?

(for the second time in the past two weeks).

I forgot the password to the mantis hydra too if it makes you feel any better.

Sorry Majiffy, we're not lynching TiP because he's town as fuck. Hmmm.

[Vegito]

Town
{PimHel, Bacde, fferylt, TheIrishPope}

Undefined
{TNE, Hamlet, Omen, TNE}

[Vegito]

Pretty badly? When was this?

The amnesiac game.

That's what I thought, good. Just making sure I didn't play an awesome scum game while blackout drunk or something.

[Vegito]

{TNE, Hamlet, Omen, GHOSTLIN}

Vote: thenewearth

Ghostlin is the second scum suspicion, but I feel pretty good about this one. Quick meta'd him because it felt like he had an obvscum scumgame, and he did. He can't fake reasoning very well.

[Vegito]

Hamlet and Omen are shifted into null-town slot, Hamlet greater than Omen. I'm interesting in seeing omen's posts now that Pepper has been replaced with twin gods, and Beli doesn't get townreads when he's lazy as fuck although I am interested in seeing his response to me replacing in. I think I'm currently winning in our competition when we have different alignments and perfection when we're the same (right?) so I'm expecting him to step it up and have more of a spring in his step now that I'm here.

[Vegito]

I'll go into TNE/Ghostlin and check interactions after I yell at Majiffy.

[Vegito]

MAJIFFY FIND ME ON GCHAT

[Vegito]

Hey nacho awesome to see ya lets lynch Ghostlin first

if tne is maf it seriously won't be an issue

Ghostlin-maf isn't an issue either. I'd rather get the easy read first and see how I feel about Ghostlin tomorrow.

[Vegito]

By the way, anyone else seeing the Amished tell in the way both heads reacted to DrP?

That's not the Amished tell.

Hey nacho awesome to see ya lets lynch Ghostlin first

if tne is maf it seriously won't be an issue

Ghostlin-maf isn't an issue either. I'd rather get the easy read first and see how I feel about Ghostlin tomorrow.

lol for me ghostlin is the easy read and tne is the one I'm less sure about

tne is pretty much always unhelpful but w/ a good attitude so I'm not sure that its coming from scum

Then we'll leave it to Majiffy.

[Vegito]

^ More scum shit up there.

If you're null, interact with me so I can read you.

I'll nae do yer wirk fer ye, lad.

Omae no chikara wo misete morau.

-B

Um.

You should be one to talk about tunneling; you've been doing nothing but treating me as confirmed scum since I stated I'd be pushing for you for the remainder of the day. I've looked at other people; that's readily available as I have reads on every player in the game. What have

you

offered?

Me defending myslef is tunneling? That's amazing news. You have biased reads because you are scum. "Oh townbacde I love you have my babies"

Nice slip. Scum can't have 'biased' reads, unless they were saying everyone that isn't them is town. Herp derp.

DrPepper is town as shit as of his replaceout.

That's our slot, so... yeah!

Sorry Majiffy, we're not lynching TiP because he's town as fuck. Hmmm.

No. No he is not.

MAJIFFY FIND ME ON GCHAT

FUCK YOU, I'M A BUSY MAN.

Also, dude, I don't think I have you on G+.

Finally we can move on from this!
UNVOTE: Vegito
So what now?

I don't know, Pope.

What now

? Do you even

have

any other reads? You little scumbutt.

[Vegito]

VOTE: Pope
In case Nacho unvoted on me.

[Vegito]

VOTE: Pope
In case Nacho unvoted on me.

Nacho voted TNE with actual good reasons.

And I'm voting you with actual better reasons. Your point being?

[Vegito]

No scum uses the same technique twice in a row.

Lol

WIFOM never works out

Lol

Why aren't we lynching Pope, again? There's more bullshit here than in a primary election campaign.

[Vegito]

Lets run this down;
Pope hasn't been scumhunting
Pope deflects all suspicion whenever possible instead of directly responding to it
Pope OMGUSes and uses associatives without flips to push scum reads and line up lynches

This is textbook newbscum. Pope is newb. Ergo, Pope is scum.

[Vegito]

Lets run this down;
Pope hasn't been scumhunting
Pope deflects all suspicion whenever possible instead of directly responding to it
Pope OMGUSes and uses associatives without flips to push scum reads and line up lynches

This is textbook newbscum. Pope is newb. Ergo, Pope is scum.

And you tunneling is scumhunting? What are you smoking Vegito?

Where have I been tunneling? I don't think you understand that word; you've been the one tunneling here.

And when have I not answered your questions?

Not just mine, everyone's. Such as here, where you deflect all accusations of why you're scummy into "no that's not a real scummy thing" "no that doesn't work" "only if they copy me!" which aren't responses to the problems being raised.

Answering everything with "Lol" is useless,

Why?

And according to your logic:
Potatoes have skin
Vegito has skin
Therefore, Vegito is a potato

You're not being very convincing, bro.

False.

The argument you're positing is the following:
YZ have Z
X has Y
----
X is YZ

The argument I'm positing is the following:
X has YZ.
X is Y.
---
X is YZ.

Or, in a form you may understand;
If you were not a newb, you could logically not be newbscum. But

since you are a newb

, and

you are showing newbscum traits

, it is logical to ascertain

you are newbscum

.

[Vegito]

*In the first above syllogism, replace Y with Z in the minor premise.

[Vegito]

Did someone not like their logic class?

[Vegito]

He applied the logical argument first, so cool story Ms. I-Don't-Read.

[Vegito]

^ And you think your vote is better suited on me than this, Ffery?

[Vegito]

Now you're just outright lying.

Where have I been tunneling? I don't think you understand that word; you've been the one tunneling here.

When you flip scum, I expect an apology from every town player in this game.

[Vegito]

Vegito, when you flip scum (because you will be lynched), I expect an apology from you.
PEdit: That was L-1? Really? I thought only two of us were voting.

why would scum apologize for playing to their win condition?

Because it's just lipservice. He knows I'm not scum.

Ffery I think you're going to be sorely disappointed when you realize your meta tells on both myself and Nacho are worthless.

[Vegito]

I'm not voting a town read.

[Vegito]

1) Ghostlin is town for posts 215/216. Like really obvtown. As in scum doesn't make those kinds of posts.

Maybe you should consider reading my posts.

[Vegito]

p-edit. and...post 456 has a townish feel to it.

You don't say.

[Vegito]

Maybe you should consider that I don't have all the posts in this game memorized

One would think that a player who is trying to get a scumread lynched would read what an active replacement has been saying about why said scumread is town. Particularly since said active player has had to restate it

twice

now.

Why would a scum who is trying to get town-TIP lynched not make posts 215/216?

The tone is all wrong.

[Vegito]

One would think that if you are this confident about Ghostlin being town then you would have no problem repeating why.

One would think that players in a game would have a bit of motivation looking into things if they're town.

Particularly since if you need to repeat yourself so much then maybe it wasn't a good argument in the first place?

That doesn't follow.

I'm certain you've never made a post with a tone like that as scum?

Me too? Why is this a question? Are we just using the wrong punctuation now?

I just feel like if I was scum and TIP was town, I'd probably vote TIP for the "right to remain silent" post and use the same reasoning and tone that Ghostlin did.

Cool hypothetical with no real grounding in reality, bro.

[Vegito]

I understand it completely. I understand that instead of dealing with the fact that I have a townread and you won't be changing that, you're instead trying to destroy my town reads. Where's the pro-town motivation in destroying the town reads of other townies? Thought so.

[Vegito]

Where in "you should have no problem repeating yourself" and "maybe it wasn't such a good argument in the first place" is you 'trying to understand' my town read? Because it really doesn't look like 'trying to understand' at all.

[Vegito]

I mean the only direct responses to the reasons I gave for why Ghostlin is town has been "well i'm certain you've never done that as scum?" (posturing, also worthless), and "If I was in his position I would do exactly that as scum" which is also worthless.

To extend beyond that, neither of those statements show any intent to attempt to understand, and show full intent in saying "your read is wrong stop townreading that person stop it".

[Vegito]

I'm not insecure about my read. It's a big warning sign when someone tries to dismantle a town read with baseless arguments.

I gave good reasoning. Your "objections" are 'nuh uh' and 'i'd do that'.

I don't know your alignment. How am I supposed to take your word when you're pushing the person I have a town read on, and your argument against said town read is 'nope!'?

[Vegito]

Also you've made no attempts to argue your statement of 'understanding' my townread insofar as I've proven that you

haven't

been interested in understanding anything, but rather just attacking.

Another warning sign.

[Vegito]

How am I supposed to discern your alignment if any of my points get twisted immediately upon me bringing them up?

I have a damn good reason to think that Ghostlin is maf and you've ignored it

Why do you think Ghostlin thought that TIP was claiming vengeful? Its not a common role

I'm not twisting anything; your points are exactly as they are.

What is your 'damn good reason' to consider him maf? The vengeful thing? Stupid.

There are any number of reasons he could have wrongly interpreted a softclaim. Explain to me why you think

scum

would think TIP was claiming vengeful.

Do you have any reasons other than the tone of those two posts?

No. I haven't bothered reading his posts after that.

Because as it looks to me you are just assuming that whoever is attacking your scumread is town

Then you should lrn2mafia a bit better.

[Vegito]

And furthermore, why you think

scum

would OUT that information.

[Vegito]

You guys think I'm a PR?

Are you confirming that you're not?

And if you are confirming that you're not a PR, what was that "shit is going to go down" bit about?

[Vegito]

Well... fuck, Vegito. Thanks.

Well? We've been dancing around it since you said it, you can't just softclaim like that and not expect repercussions.

[Vegito]

You outted yourself, mate. And I want the full role not just a "yes I'm a PR hee hee".

[Vegito]

Ghostlin, I did not town PR claim...

Also you can explain this.

[Vegito]

One doesn't softclaim so blatantly and then blame being outted on someone else.

Also, I'm not seeing a full role claim there.

[Vegito]

... Why would you unvote Ghostlin because Pope claimed PR?

[Vegito]

Oh the VC had you on both Ghostlin and Pope.

[Vegito]

Are you a scum double-voter with your teammate Pope?

[Vegito]

Pope still waiting on a role claim here. Shouldn't be that hard to make one up, right?

[Vegito]

... Where is your role claim? What is your role called?

[Vegito]

I can see what happened to the target I choose, so I am thinking there are doctors and cops or some other variants.

This is not a full role claim. There is no role name here.

[Vegito]

Stop fucking stalling and out it.

[Vegito]

What if I told you I wasn't?

Aren't a double-voter or Pope isn't your teammate?

[Vegito]

Does the role name even matter?
In any case, if you know my ability, you can know my name...

Stop.

Fucking.

Stalling.

[Vegito]

Good. Because he's scum.

[Vegito]

Why would "some shit go down" if you were put at L-1, given your role?

[Vegito]

That was to get those idiotic votes off me. Which you should do now as well.

And why would Town-PR-Pope softclaim at L-2 to get votes off him, whereas ScumPope wouldn't?

[Vegito]

That was to get those idiotic votes off me. Which you should do now as well.

And why would Town-PR-Pope softclaim at L-2 to get votes off him, whereas ScumPope wouldn't?

I would have claimed at L-1 anyway. If I was scum, I wouldn't have hinted at it.

No, you would have claimed at L-1

when someone has stated intent to hammer

. Which is essentially 2 votes more than you had on you.

And yet you're trying to play the pissed-town card on me for "outting" you.

This isn't town behavior.

[Vegito]

And saying you wouldn't doesn't answer the question of why ScumPope wouldn't have softclaimed to dismantle his wagon. You've essentially answered my question with "cuz!".

[Vegito]

I'm thinking Hamlet. Though Bacde's pretty determined about Ghostlin and I have him as town.

I need to see more from them.

How do you feel about TNE?

[Vegito]

So... you don't think I'm a PR?

I don't think you're town. I also think there's only one role that would have softclaimed in the situation you did, and it's not the one you claimed.

[Vegito]

Hated.

[Vegito]

Why would I be scum for not believing you?

[Vegito]

But as I have no proof that you are what you claim, and an overwhelming amount of evidence to the contrary, why would I be scum for continuing to vote you?

[Vegito]

No. I don't have his number or his G+ account. Mollie does. I'll see if she can get a hold of him.

[Vegito]

I'm aware. He has a newbie game he needs to lock and post the flip on, too.

Last I heard, his phone was broken and he has limited access to the internet. So I wouldn't hold your breath.

[Vegito]

But as I have no proof that you are what you claim, and an overwhelming amount of evidence to the contrary, why would I be scum for continuing to vote you?

Then why would you want a claim from me?
Oh, of course: to NK me. Because you are scum.

Because I wanted to see if your claim made sense. It doesn't.

You're scum, plain and simple.

[Vegito]

I already have. A good portion of my ISO is showing why you're scum, why your play doesn't make sense from a town POV, blatant contradictions you've made, and why you aren't a town PR.

Meanwhile, all you can say is "Wah! Majiffy is tunneling me! He must be scum!" and "Wah! Majiffy outted me! He must be scum!".

Might I direct you to the newbie games? You might learn something there. Like how to play.

[Vegito]

Then lynch me, that's cool.
I don't think the "go to the newbie games newb" talk is appropriate.

Ok, I will.

[Vegito]

My younger half will be online soon.

[Vegito]

Majiffy get my number from mollie and text me

[Vegito]

Or call me, whatever. I don't think tip is scum.

[Vegito]

I can only assume by Nacho's silence via text that I have won the argument and we will be voting Pope.

[Vegito]

After much deliberating, Nacho and I have decided to settle on TNE.

VOTE: TNE

Still think Pope is scum.

[Vegito]

hey you guys are still ignoring ghostlin

thats the best place to look right now

Pope can wait

Are you willing to vote TNE?

I'm not sure if newbtown or newbscum, but the slot that's replacing him is reading town atm.

Why are you reading us as town?

Why do you think Ghostlin thought that TIP was claiming vengeful? Its not a common role

I don't function on one tell makes a 100% mafia read, normally. Is this all you have on Ghostlin?

He seems kind of more agreeable than I'm used to, but I don't have any completed games with him to go by.

I'd suggest going on a meta venture if you'd like. Otherwise, there are good reasons for calling him scum otherwise.

[Vegito]

About the number of scum. 9p game. I think I would also say 2 scums. But meh... IDK if ghost's statement was scumslip or speculating town.

This is fence-sitting hard on something that shouldn't really be that much of a decision. The fact that TNE found it important to weigh in on something like this was sort of strange to me, but if he was town and decided to weigh in on something like this, I think that he'd have some sort of opinion. He clearly doesn't really have anything important to say here.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ghostlin

Forgot to do this because I was waiting for the votecount

I'm not going to quote everywhere he says this, but TNE uses "waiting for the votecount" as his excuse of not being aware of where his vote is, which is usually a strong scum tell for me. He's just sort of hopping from wagon to wagon, and is not really looking for scum. The closest he gets to pushing anything is #200, but that's just him defending himself and he doesn't push anything nice. And not only does he not have any reads except for "willing to lynch TiP and Ghostlin", but his thoughts are inconsistent:

Dafuq's with DP being replaced? No offense but I find that REALLY scummy

@Mod: any recent vote counts?

It'll have to wait, I'm writing an important essay for English right now.

Replacing out? No follow up on this since we actually replaced in.

I really don't want to see a TIP lynch today

What the hell happened with this?

[Vegito]

1. TheIrishPope (1) - Ghostlin,

Vegito

5. thenewearth (1) - Vegito,

Ghostlin, Fferylt

6. Ghostlin (1) - Bacde
7. Vegito (3) - PimHel, sword_of_omens, TheIrishPope

Not Voting: TNE, fferylt, Hamlet

NINE ALIVE, FIVE LYNCH
DEADLINE: (expired on 2013-05-20 12:00:00)

Unofficial votecount. Italicized names have shown recent support for the wagon.

We need to consolidate here.

[Vegito]

Finally someone who knows what I'm talking about
A TNE lynch is not beneficial at all
So fferyllt, if you are in fact Town, hammer Vegito.

Someone explain to me how the fuck this is going unlynched. I really want to know.

NACHO ARE YOU EVEN

READING

THIS SHIT?

[Vegito]

I'm just saying it's better than a TNE lynch. I mean, who else would we lynch?

You, for one, would be a great idea.

[Vegito]

More support for a TNE wagon, as far as I can discern.

I've been yammering and yelling about how scummy you are since I got here, and for some god awful reason everyone else is either retarded or severely retarded.

[Vegito]

So by that logic you should have no problem voting TNE, then?

[Vegito]

So by that logic you should have no problem voting TNE, then?

Yes, I do have a problem with voting alongside my top scumread .

Doesn't follow. Your argument earlier is that the only time you've seen ScumNacho he was bussing his partner. Ergo if you think this is ScumNacho, it follows that he'd be bussing in his original push on TNE.

Why do you have a problem with voting scum? Is your read not as solid as you're pretending it is?

Really, TownCho would be trying to kill

me

Hate to break hard news to you, bucko...

[Vegito]

the fact that my vote is L-1 is uh...whose fault is that?

Yours. Why exactly are you voting us, again? Because of a weak meta tell you won't even follow to it's logical conclusion?

I haven't seen a single legitimate argument for Vegito-scum as of yet, and for some reason the folks on it seem to think they're on a viable wagon.

[Vegito]

Finally someone who knows what I'm talking about
A TNE lynch is not beneficial at all
So fferyllt, if you are in fact Town, hammer Vegito.

Someone explain to me how the fuck this is going unlynched. I really want to know.

NACHO ARE YOU EVEN

READING

THIS SHIT?

It continues to amaze me how much shit I go through because of my townreads.

I'm just saying it's better than a TNE lynch. I mean, who else would we lynch?

Explain. Because the only reason that I've seen for me being a better lynch is because I'm your favorite lynch because we're tunneling on you, even though we definitely aren't doing that anymore.

I'm scumreading Nacho--so if you're going to sheep me, do so based on Nacho's play

Basically, I think TownCho would start with who NOT to lynch; last time I believed him because he pushed a lynch, he was bussing his scumbuddy

The difference between my town and scum play isn't as easy as "he's focusing more on scumreads" or "he's focusing more on townreads".

Worrying more about the nulls, of course.

Really, TownCho would be trying to kill me

Would only be trying to kill you if you were scum. You're not scum this game.

[Vegito]

I'm actually starting to come around on Majiffy's Ghostlin townread; looking into PimHel and Omens again to see which one I was wrong about. Hamlet's moved up to a strong townread, though.

[Vegito]

Rolling V/LAs and lurking like hell with only one section of content on the 10th and on the 13th make Omens a pretty solid bet for second scum. Interested to see his posting today if he manages to get any in.

[Vegito]

Actually would LOVE a deadline extension, considering that 33% of the game is V/LA right now.

[Vegito]

While his vote on Pope is fine, I think his “no one else vote or you’re scum” is overkill…Announcing L-2 would have been enough..hell even adding something like, I’d prefer no quick-lynch would have been fine if you wanted to get your point out..but saying a vote on Pope is auto scum claim seems over the top to me…For the most part his arguments are pretty sound and he stays on point.. i have him as town.

I don't like how he doesn't really explain why he finds Ghostlin town; instead he just sort of postures on him and attacks him, which is strange considering the conclusion seems pretty happy with a Ghostlin townread.

Says he reaction tested Pope..from RVS? I wouldn’t really call Bacbe’s “Pope is scum just because” any real pressure...Pope pretty much shrugged it off… I also didn’t see Pope’s “bad townie impression” that Bac mentions in his #66 either. After that statement, though I can see that Pope’s initial vote on me does seem a bit odd (and yes, for the main reason already mentioned..to say someone is fishy but let’s just RVS doesn’t seem right). But I took it as him not really taking Bacde serious…FWIW, I am leaning slightly town with Bacde…

This doesn't talk about Bacde at all and instead ends up talking about how he doesn't see how Pope is scum based on Bacde's arguments, conclusion being that Bacde is slightly town for god knows why. If I'm completely wrong and Pope IS scum, then this looks a hell of a lot like a chainsaw defense.

Only after Pope gets his 2nd and 3rd vote does he start to react…he reacted by attacking Ghost’s Vote on him and pointing out what he thinks is a scumslip, and although I don’t agree with it being a scum slip, I can see where it can be thought of as one…I have to say I really didn’t care for Pope ignoring Ghost’s #93 and instead going for the extra push on the whole “You guys are all aliens” slip as it did seem to be reaching a bit, however he does gets a point for conceding to Ghost in his #98 ..
For the most part I have Pope as town.

And then in Pope's ISO, he ends up attacking him then calling him town?

Definitely needs attention…why hasn’t Dr.P called out TNE for “Filler” ?
He is skirting by with no actual input…says he’s suspicious of Ghost for a while now, votes Ghost…but has no reason for it?
I could easily see TNE as scum and will happily vote for this slot…
Also, I thought this was hilarious:

This is a small dig at TNE, nothing compared to his read on Pepper which was the only read he spent any sort of time on... Hmm.

[Vegito]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8MO2ShVBV0

Headed out now to get lunch now that we have some extra time. Glad to see Omen's around.

[Vegito]

^ SCUM AAFUODSHFKASHGHASGJADSKLGF

Of elements, sir, a Doctor of physic did once explain
that all the Earth is province elemental
sure and steady as the stone-wall foursome
a-holding up our own roof, tied together
By power that we spake on, our traffic
unmarr'd by thy rough and idle chatter.
And the complexion of the element
In favour's like the force that ties the room.
O, a muse of fire the first element,
Airy breath the second; though this wind
May well be yours for all you flap your tongue,
O ill-dispersing wind of misery!
Thou hast no wings, and, liable to plunge,
Fish'd for facts, yet fish you cannot be;
So water, elemental third, you're not,
How much salt water thrown away in waste.
Of earth, no woman left on earth will have thee,
So walk the plains like to a lonely dragon;
I care not.

Try that again, in modern prose.

Fuzzy should seek qualified psychological assistance as rapidly as possible

-B

Yes.

[Vegito]

Explain. Because the only reason that I've seen for me being a better lynch is because I'm your favorite lynch because we're tunneling on you, even though we definitely aren't doing that anymore.

Can we lynch him now?

You can totally ignore Majiffy if you want to.
He'll just call you scum and foam from the mouth, but I'll listen to your hopes and dreams.

[Vegito]

BUT
You definitely can't ignore both of us. That's not good for anyone's sanity.

[Vegito]

Vegito is...

Vile.
Egocentric.
Gabbler.
Indolent.

Transexual

Twatwaffle.
Ostentatious.

Can we lynch him now?

Not seeing anything that means 'scum' on that list.

[Vegito]

People who voted you seem to agree that you are scummy as well.

What exactly do they agree on? As I've said before; I've seen not a single legitimate reason to be voting our slot.

I don't understand the case on TNE; explain it to me pwease :3

What part are you having trouble understanding?

[Vegito]

So you make a blatant appeal to the people to support your conclusion that I'm scum, then when pressed on

why

you (and others) think I'm scum, all you can offer is "lol ur scum "

VOTE: Pope
Fuck your read, Nacho. It sucks.

[Vegito]

About the number of scum. 9p game. I think I would also say 2 scums. But meh... IDK if ghost's statement was scumslip or speculating town.

This is fence-sitting hard on something that shouldn't really be that much of a decision. The fact that TNE found it important to weigh in on something like this was sort of strange to me, but if he was town and decided to weigh in on something like this, I think that he'd have some sort of opinion. He clearly doesn't really have anything important to say here.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ghostlin

Forgot to do this because I was waiting for the votecount

I'm not going to quote everywhere he says this, but TNE uses "waiting for the votecount" as his excuse of not being aware of where his vote is, which is usually a strong scum tell for me. He's just sort of hopping from wagon to wagon, and is not really looking for scum. The closest he gets to pushing anything is #200, but that's just him defending himself and he doesn't push anything nice. And not only does he not have any reads except for "willing to lynch TiP and Ghostlin", but his thoughts are inconsistent:

Dafuq's with DP being replaced? No offense but I find that REALLY scummy

@Mod: any recent vote counts?

It'll have to wait, I'm writing an important essay for English right now.

Replacing out? No follow up on this since we actually replaced in.

I really don't want to see a TIP lynch today

What the hell happened with this?

~Nacho, the casewriter

[Vegito]

L-3 at the moment.

[Vegito]

Help me vote TNE scum and if we get one more vote I'll be able to hammer and Majiffy won't be able to do anything about it.

[Vegito]

Bacde my curiosity about your announcement is burning.

Or maybe it's the bourbon.

or maybe it's the fact that
NOTHING IS FUCKING HAPPENING

[Vegito]

@Ffery (Post 433)
What’s Nacho’s tell?

If I said that out loud he'd stop doing it.

I keep hoping that one day she'll let it slip, but it never escapes.

Nacho is as town very aggresive. If he finds somebody scummy, he will do anything he can to get that player lynched.
But look at his posts in this game. He only points out the things he doesn't like. He doesn't get into the arguments. He points them out and then leaves it alone. That's not town-nacho.

I have a very versatile style. My partner is also aggressive as fuck and does all the pushing that I need done. I don't mind being the passive to his active.

[Vegito]

Fuzzy, why is it that the one time I can read you, you're in a hydra?

[Vegito]

Nacho is as town very aggresive. If he finds somebody scummy, he will do anything he can to get that player lynched.
But look at his posts in this game. He only points out the things he doesn't like. He doesn't get into the arguments. He points them out and then leaves it alone. That's not town-nacho.

Also, I've literally been kicking it with townreads this entire game because my scumspects are lurking scumfucks.

[Vegito]

Nacho with no scum around him is bored-Nacho.

[Vegito]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=24354

[Vegito]

My partner is also aggressive as fuck and does all the pushing that I need done. I don't mind being the passive to his active.

All my hydras are with aggressive as fuck players. I've been doing the same thing. It's bleeding into my main account behaviors. Haven't decided if that's a good thing.

I think being able to turn it on/off is a great thing.

[Vegito]

Losing the aggression would suck; this site is in love with aggression.

[Vegito]

@Vegito (Post 347)
About your case against Pope, I can agree with #84 as it’s a bad way to keep his vote. But all the other stuff you have mentioned, I don’t see as scummy.

...

@Pope (Post 366)
This needs an explanation. Why say that if he stops tunneling you might see him as town? You think he’s scum, yet you give him a reason how he can make you unvote him? That doesn’t make sense.

Yeah, I called him out on that as well. And he ignored it, amongst other things he's ignored

because he's scum

.

@Vegito (Post 468)
This is bad. Bacde’s main suspicion is Ghostlin. Why wouldn’t he try to discuss why he thinks you’re wrong about your read on Ghostlin?
P.S. Bacde is right. The tone in those posts say nothing.

Because he said he was "trying to understand" my townread on Ghostlin. He's attacking it, not "trying to understand".

I'm starting to think you're not reading very closely to this game.

This post is awful. Bacde was talking about Ghostlin responding to the possibility of Pope being vengeful townie. That has nothing to do with why Ghostlin-scum would think that. Ghostlin could think of Pope being vengeful (not allignment indicative) and Ghostlin-scum would respond differently than Ghostlin-town.
Also, you not looking at Ghostlin anymore is bad.

...

what

?
And I don't give a fuck. He's town as shit.

1. Not every PR plays the same. Just because you think a PR would play like A, doesn’t mean when a PR plays like B, he’s faking it.
2. If he’s lying about being a Voyeur, we can easily catch him. Do you agree with this? If not, why not?

But when a player is blatantly playing like a

different PR or scum

, I'm going to have to follow to it's logical conclusion of scum.
I don't care about "catching" him later when we could just as easily "lynch" him today. Dig?

1. If he did focus on other aspects on the game and actually scumhunt (or at least fake scum hunt) I wouldn't be suspicious of him. Of course, there's no turning back; he is scum.

>has reads on every player of the game
>Apparently "ignoring the game and faking scumhunting"

Lynch the fucking shit out of this, people.

[Vegito]

[Vegito]

I think that I'm Goku, Majiffy.

[Vegito]

That's ok I prefer Vegeta.

Can we lynch Pope? Why is everyone ignoring how obvscum he is?

[Vegito]

Can we lynch Pope? Why is everyone ignoring how obvscum he is?

Usually I like to keep our fights to the bedroom, but jesus fucking christ he's town.

[Vegito]

I think you meant to say "Jesus fucking christ you're right, Jiff. Pope is so fucking obvscum".

So I'll just move forward from the assumption that the above is the corrected statement.

[Vegito]

@VEGITO how are you so confidently reading hamlet as town?

Past experience, and the fuzzy head not being a useless sack of shit. In particular, the B head's Canadian politeness comes out most strongly when he's scum, but he's a little more willing to throw around snark and accomplish a lot of nothing as town. #374 and #394 are the best examples of him being his town as shit self.

[Vegito]

There's also a lot of things that come across as really genuine; Fuzzy reading Jiffy as town but then trusting Beli's read over his own, and Fuzzy's "yeehaw Beli doesn't know shit about this game" posting spree. Beli is definitely the scum player of the duo, and I seriously doubt that he would let fuzzy play so loose unless they picked up a town slot.

[Vegito]

Sorry, but you're going to be SOL on that one...i am always town for some reason : (

The explains the rolling V/LAs, then.

I take it you don't often interact with Canadians who are still alive.

Never. I didn't even know what a Canadian was until recently.

[Vegito]

fortunately i'm reading many of the active posters as town which means I get to do my favorite fucking thing in all of mafia which is VOTE FOR A P.O.S. LURKER

Guessing Omens and Hamlet are your two biggest scumreads, then?

[Vegito]

UNVOTE: mrbungle

liked his analysis as far as it went. Awaiting the scum pile analysis.

I'm watching him closely because I know he's capable of far more.

[Vegito]

sup guys. /confirming in or whatever. i probably wont get around to reading the thread till tomorrow morning because tonight is a beer and george carlin night. i'm going to completely read the thread before the next time i post but it'd be great if anyone can fill me in on wtf is going on

Tonight's a beer and

David Bowie

pool night for me!

-his play is hilariously sloppy. i cannot imagine a scum letting themselves get into as much trouble as TIP has. that guy has absolutely no filter, just says whatever dumb shit as soon as it occurs to him to say it
-the whole evolution or progression of how his claim played out was also hilariously sloppy. in my experience scum don't handle fakeclaims so badly, or so emotionally

"Too Scum To Be Scum"?

Really?

Retard.

I am insulted.

Lol'd.

[Vegito]

Have we considered lynching Pope yet? I haven't been this convinced on an obvscum since my perfect win in one of the newbies I played recently.

Seriously, he's fucking scum.

[Vegito]

And by asking questions, you can understand somebody's opinion. And that's also the point about discussing it. He disagrees with your reason why you find Ghostlin town.

Except he wasn't asking questions he was attacking the read. Herp derp go re-read.

Important question: If Pope survives till D2 and can give the result of his night action which is shown to be true, how will you think about him?

It's called a scum power role.

We are a powerful town PR and if anyone hammers it's a goddamn scum claim. We

need

to be lynching Pope. Omen isn't a bad choice, either.

[Vegito]

Words cannot express the verbal abuse I will deliver you if you flip town in this game.

[Vegito]

Unvote; Vote Ghostlin

Clarify this vote. What do you see scummy about me over Vegito or anyone else, and why would you try to build a wagon on me now?

Even better. Your reads, now.

omg can we plz lynch this

No. He's town.

Words cannot express the verbal abuse I will deliver you if you flip town in this game.

this is why I think your scumread on TIP is bad

you aren't seeing scummy things, you are just seeing things that a decent town player wouldn't do

i'm not sure TIP constitutes a decent town player

I've seen plenty of scummy things. Like flat-out lying. Which he has done - and I have pointed out - a number of times. Another thing I've pointed out numerously - his dodging of questions or otherwise deflecting. These things are empirically scummy.

[Vegito]

Implying Vegito has never lied...

Show me one instance.

[Vegito]

Also I like how your defense of me calling you out for lying is "WELL YOU DID TOO LOL!"

[Vegito]

I'd rather not give scum extra information if I don't have to.

[Vegito]

Dinner. I'll be back in roughly an hour and a half.

[Vegito]

Cell, Tracker.
Sorry Majiffy I don't do any bullshit partial claims unless there's a very specific reason for it.

[Vegito]

Similar PRs? Voyeur is useless without other roles to compliment it.
Ffery, my townread on Hamlet is stale, but my scumread on Swords is strong. I'm tired of Majiffy pushing Pope as scum, so I'm going to try calling him tonight so I can yell at him in person.

[Vegito]

i'd prefer not to replace out..and I do not like to replace out...i've only done it 4 times...
the NY game which i previously linked where i was scum,
and then i had 3 games going at the same time (Star Wars, Experimental, and DwD) and had to mass replace out:
Star Wars (town), Experimental Role (town)
and a Dance with Dragons (town)
All of these were done towards the beginning of my play where i realized i won't be able to put the time needed into the game...

problem is, work gets crazy for me sometimes..especially when there are a few people out of the office and i have to take on their work load as well....i deal a lot with the gov't and military and a lot of times i have to take off without notice if a someone has an issue that can't be immediately fixed. And with work the way it is, if i'm gone a day, i'm behind a week..
..weekends i am V/LA as i only have my phone and my house is a dead zone. Unfortunately i was out pretty much all of last weeek (due to my Bday shenanigans) which coupled with all of my work stuff really put me at a bad spot with the game...

CHK is cool people, and i'd hate to be a dick and lurk-lurk-lurk constantly trying to catch up....it's not fair to him, or all of the other people playing his game.

This week is hectic as well…
Gov’t funding needs to allocated before month end and I have to make sure everything is double-checked on a few new projects…

You just made a wall of excuses for lurking.
Don't give us excuses, just don't lurk.

Last: @Nacho
Can you give me some links of your Calcifer games? I'd like it if you have both scum and town games.

I'll do it after I'm done catching up, yeah.

Nacho, you are welcome to try and talk me out of it.

I hate defending people who won't defend themselves, and Hamlet is more than capable of defending themselves. Meanwhile, bungle is town and I need a new scumread.
Sell me on Swords town and I'm completely down to vote Hamlet with you.

[Vegito]

Unvote; Vote Ghostlin

Clarify this vote. What do you see scummy about me over Vegito or anyone else, and why would you try to build a wagon on me now?

Even better. Your reads, now.

omg can we plz lynch this

Bacde, stop acting weird as fuck and pay attention to relevant things.

[Vegito]

1. TheIrishPope
2. sword_of_omens
3. fferyllt
4. PimHel
5. mrbungle thenewearth
6. Ghostlin
7. Vegito DoctorPepper
8. Bacde
9. Hamlet

Pope, ffery, PimHel, bungle, Ghostlin all probably non negotiably town.
Swords, Hamlet, Bacde are where I'm looking at the moment.

[Vegito]

im down to lynch sword tbh but ghostlin is scum

Why do you want to lynch Sword?
Hamlet?

[Vegito]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=25573
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=24421
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=23561
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=17759
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=17231
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=16798
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=15968
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=15160

all games where I was involved in Calcifer, lemme label them because I forgot to do that.

[Vegito]

first two links town, third scum, next three town, next scum again, last town but with a different partner who decided to go all out AGGRO with me as a playstyle choice

[Vegito]

nacho talk to me about your non negotiable pimhel town read. every time i read that filter i keep come away with not much to go on in either direction

The strongest sell for me is the way that he's been interacting with this hydra; I think the doubt about my specific head is very real, and all these questions to my meta and things like that is just going to make it harder for him to jump back on my wagon; it seems like something that's completely useless and serves absolutely no purpose if he's scum, and that makes it read very, very genuine.

What's the basis of your swords read? Majiffy had him as town.

He's making far too many excuses for low activity and is not actually doing anything; hasn't been doing anything this entire game. The fact that he isn't used to being scum really stands out to me as well; usually finding things to pick up on and attack comes with experience, and his comfortable posting around talking about his own meta is a harsh contrast to him talking about his actual reads; for example, he's still riding on that DrP case and hasn't really brought up anything about me at all. His bungle vote also felt like a panic vote, and his switch back to our wagon was contrived as all hell.

[Vegito]

I'm starting to wonder if I by default think TL-influenced play is town play

I've been looking around to double check this too. But generally I find that being scum on this site is draining as shit for players who aren't used to a slower tempo, so I'm just keeping watch on him. I'm really happy with the townread on him now, though.

[Vegito]

Also, look at A Dance With Dragons and tell me if you see what sword did here but still really hasn't done in this game.

[Vegito]

making an attempt to read the thread despite being behind by several pages?

Reading the thread and actually showing evidence of it. Sword catches up like I do; he reads through the thread, picks out things that he finds interesting, asks questions, all that good stuff. In this thread, his long posts are A) reads, or B) attacking reads which means that he's doing things for a purpose. Giving reads so he looks town, attacking reads to push through a wagon. The narrow play this game is different from his usual game (he does get a bit tunneley, but when he's tunnely, his reads form organically and aren't "BIG WALL POST OF READS" "TUNNEL SCUMREADS FROM BIG WALL POST OF READS").

[Vegito]

and yeah, he was town there.
he replaced out pretty much instantly though.

[Vegito]

We are a powerful town PR

1. Not stating name
2. Not stating powers
3. Not stating character name

So yeah, lies lies lies which you fail to consider.

Not giving full information is not a lie. Sorry this hurts your perception of the world, but I thought maybe you should learn a simple concept that a 5 year old understands.

I have never lied.
And you talk about deflecting and dodging when you are dodging the exact same points I am raising now and first raised in #784.

You lied about me tunneling. And I wasn't dodging "points" you "raised" - I use these words in their loosest of terms - I was deliberately stating that I did not want to reveal said information unless I absolutely had to.

so I'm going to try calling him tonight so I can yell at him in person.

I don't do phones. Ask Mollie, she'll tell you.

Pope, ffery, PimHel, bungle, Ghostlin all probably non negotiably town.
Swords, Hamlet, Bacde are where I'm looking at the moment.

Switch Bacde and Pope.

[Vegito]

Vote: Bacde

[Vegito]

ffery, i love you sometimes.

[Vegito]

but yeah, I brought the Villains claim thing up to Majiffy earlier and his response was "BUU IS A VILLAIN TO THE OTHER VILLAINS TOO". I think the three major villains of the DBZ arc are power roles, and that the rest of the townies are lesser Villains. I think that Bacde's softclaim to "confirm" Pope is bullshit and he should explain himself or die.

[Vegito]

I still think a Vegito lynch is the way to go.

You and Majiffy are more alike than you'd like to admit.

[Vegito]

Vegeta (before turning good), Nappa (Vegeta's partner), Raditz (Goku's brother), Frieza, Legendary Super Saiyan, Majin Buu (before he turned good), Cell, the Ginyu Force, and many others.

Major villains. Frieza/Buu/Cell had the biggest arcs dedicated to taking them down.

[Vegito]

is there any way to find a player's town/scum games other than going to their profile and digging through their post history? a database or something?

Click on their names, click user topics. Also, you can search their names in the first post of every topic and limit your search to the Mafia Games forum so you don't get discussion/MishMash.

[Vegito]

Bacde, claim. Now.

[Vegito]

Claim your partner.

[Vegito]

They won't NK you.

[Vegito]

If there's a crumb, then mafia will find it and NK your partner.
Sorry for being short, but I'm hungover and don't feel like fucking around with your fakeclaim atm.

[Vegito]

Or anything, to be honest. Short and to the point is nice.

[Vegito]

if maf find my crumb and NK my partner, then I'll be confirmed town

but if you don't claim your partner, you will be lynched.

[Vegito]

by claiming your partner, both of you will be confirmed town. it is likely there is a protective role to protect your partner if it is needed.
and if we DON'T lynch you today and you are telling the truth, we can actually hit scum.

[Vegito]

TiP's read was Majiffy. That would be obvious if you were reading my posts.

[Vegito]

I did it immediately as well. So Bacde should claim the partner he's crumbing to so they can either say "ok" or "no, you are lying scum. die."

[Vegito]

oh is this nacho I'm talking to?

why are you being such a meanie dude

I hate how you pretended that one time you loved me or something

you've ignored me this entire game and i'm hungover as shit
if you're being scum, you get tough love until you die or I realize I made a horrible mistake
you know the drill

[Vegito]

if he's scum he's not going to fake claim mason because then he know's he'll be held accountable for that claim later and that everyone will be on his back asking him to out the partner. at that point, what would a scum who is fake-claiming mason do? fake claim a town mason partner who isn't a mason? no. fake claim mason with one of his scum partners? no, that's suicidal.

exactly. as scum fakeclaiming mason, he can't claim his partner.
if he's town, he needs to claim it.

[Vegito]

not to mention masons in a 9p game are horribly, horribly overpowered. only time i've seen them in a micro is when they are the sole power roles because it doesn't make sense for them to have a tracker, nexus, voyeur complimenting them.

[Vegito]

obv everyone in this game is a PR

In this case, why are you worried about your partner being NK'ed?

do you really think a scum would fake claim mason knowing that he's gonna have to either fakeclaim a townie partner who will immediately out him, or fake claim with a scum partner which is completely suicidal?

It can buy him a day where we either mislynch, or we run up his scum partner and he claims with them and goes for the balls-out scumgambit.

[Vegito]

Unvote

jesus fucking christ

[Vegito]

Vote: Ghostlin

[Vegito]

Nacho or Majiffy whoever it is please explain why you think Ghostlin is town. I've read his ISO and the thing that jumps out at me is that he was awfully civil in that horrible exchange with TIP.

hamlet's his partner.

[Vegito]

ffery, bungle, bacde, bacde's secret partner all confirmed town.
i track hamlet tonight if ghostlin flips scum, random player if ghostlin flips town.
if hamlet goes nowhere and there is a kill that ISN'T us, we no lynch and I track someone else
if i die, hamlet dies
if i get a positive result, 1v1 between us and hamlet

[Vegito]

Nacho or Majiffy whoever it is please explain why you think Ghostlin is town. I've read his ISO and the thing that jumps out at me is that he was awfully civil in that horrible exchange with TIP.

hamlet's his partner.

you obviously didnt find the crumb

hamlet's the other scum. i know who his partner is.

[Vegito]

ffery, bungle, bacde, bacde's secret partner all confirmed town.
i track hamlet tonight if ghostlin flips scum, random player if ghostlin flips town.
if hamlet goes nowhere and there is a kill that ISN'T us, we no lynch and I track someone else
if i die, hamlet dies
if i get a positive result, 1v1 between us and hamlet

oh yeah if i'm blocked or something else 1v1 between us and hamlet

[Vegito]

Fine, who should I Voyeur tonight?

OH YEAH
me. if i'm blocked, you'll be able to tell so i'll be confirmed town if they decide to block me.

[Vegito]

ffery, bungle, bacde, bacde's secret partner all confirmed town.
i track hamlet tonight if ghostlin flips scum, random player if ghostlin flips town.
if hamlet goes nowhere and there is a kill that ISN'T us, we no lynch and I track someone else
if i die, hamlet dies
if i get a positive result, 1v1 between us and hamlet

explain to me what makes ffery and bungle confirmed town?

do you think either of them are scum?

[Vegito]

i'm just that confident, babe

[Vegito]

Scum can block scum...

i'm only confirmed town if ghostlin flips scum
protective role, if there is one, should also target me during the night. pope can confirm them as town too.
any roles that would be "manipulative", don't target me or you'll fuck everything up.