Newbie 1388 Nexlexia Game Over

[Nobody Special]

Welcome Bob, what do you think of the gene wagon.

Sidenote, gene please get an avatar. It helps us distinguish you from everyone else. Like we'll know its you with out looking at your name

Kay. do you like it?

Yes. Nice ass.

Welcome Bob, what do you think of the gene wagon.

The prospect of Gene being quiet is great,

but I don't think he's a member of the Mafia.

My vote on Channel is serious.

Why not?



Currently I'm comfortable with lynching either yessirree or gene. Not voting till I see a VC, though.

[Nobody Special]

I should give reasons to be a Good Example.

gene is probscum because he didn't answer whether he was mafia or not, plus the whole "trying to look townie" thing.

yessirree because he's using stats to avoid scumhunting.

[Nobody Special]

I swear, I don't normally triple-post. Ask anyone.


I should give reasons, in order to be a Good Example*



P-Edit: Bite me.

[Nobody Special]

I don't do team-speculation on Day One.

[Nobody Special]

yessirree, yes I have read your posts. If you promise to refrain from ever mentioning math or stats again, I promise to try and imagine you as town.

[Nobody Special]

yessiree: Your sarcasm meter is broken. Might wanna get that looked at.

[Nobody Special]

Just to be pedantic, his vote is valid. Whether or not you think it's a

good

vote is, perhaps, what I think is at question.

FoS: Rikablu

It would be a vote, but I'm too lazy to count, and I don't want to hammer.

[Nobody Special]

I did not mean gene.

[Nobody Special]

I don't think there's any such thing as scum slips.

Do you believe in Santa Claus?

The Easter Bunny?

The Tooth Fairy?

[Nobody Special]

Also, I don't think mafia Gene would have posted that analysis. It'd be far too helpful to have a confirmed bad guy's opinion (which mafia Gene would be if we lynched him) on a few people.

If he's mafia, why would his opinions be helpful? Do you not appreciate he could be lying as mafia?



yessiree, what would you like explained?

[Nobody Special]

I honestly can't recall why I suspected Rika. It's probably something I thought I saw in post 96. But let's do this and see if he slips again:

Vote: Rika

gene, I was basically telling you that scumslips do indeed exist, and if you believe they don't, you're as deluded as if you also believed in magical fictional characters.


Also, yessiree, I've been scumhunting. At least I don't quote statistics.

[Nobody Special]

You're wrong, but I'm not going to bother arguing it with you.

[Nobody Special]

I'm not "expecting" anything. I'm voting.

[Nobody Special]

What?

[Nobody Special]

You're doing it wrong.

[Nobody Special]

On a separate note: NS, is it your nature as a player to post compressed and short texts? I am under the impression that you might be the type to keep your thoughts mostly to yourself until it's necessary to push players towards your line of thinking. I don't see anything wrong with that, but it's difficult to get a read on you without knowing for sure. Assuming that this belief is correct, I think you're town on the basis that each time you posted, it's presented some form of constructive argument. I even consider the vote on me to be constructive, because frankly speaking no one else has voiced an opinion on my actions, and that's either weak, lazy, or overpowering fixation on gene at the time. On the other hand, if your concise nature isn't part of your standard play, my followup question would be 'why is this different', and what's otherwise a town read becomes a lot weaker.

This is me. I have a sort of reputation for being hard to read, but this is how I naturally play. And to answer the next question, yes, I tend to play this way regardless of alignment. I've somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 games onsite, feel free to read some.


On another note, I heartily agree with Bacde. CDB is not being his usual self, to memory.

VOTE: OMG CDB

[Nobody Special]

Biceph might be scum, but I'm not convinced that what he posted was a slip.

Why is it that when Bob admits to not knowing the win condition of a townie, its a slip, but when yessirree insists that he wants to be alive at the endgame for a "bigger feeling of accomplishment", despite that meaning nothing and not being in the town win condition, its not a slip?

One's an attitude of play, the other is not realizing your opponents wincon is posted in the thread.

[Nobody Special]

unvote

Vote: Bi-Bob

Yep, that's a scumsllip.

Pebro: CDB usually is much more active. I've seen experienced players (not necessarily CDB), when they have newbie scumpartners, who tend to lurk and not call too much attention to themselves.

[Nobody Special]

You know, I seriously hate doing this, and I really try hard NOT to do this, but I'm calling the scum team as Bob and CDB right now.

Convince me otherwise, guys.

[Nobody Special]

Yo I just realized something

Nobody Special is TOO DANGEROUS TO BE KEPT ALIVE, he needs to die.

6-1 as scum, 5-10 as town,

yeah we're lynching nobody special

I'm sorry, where did these numbers come from?

[Nobody Special]

The Careful Reader will note that that hasn't been updated in

two years

and The

Very

Careful Reader will note that I have approximately 75 additional games (from the last two years) that aren't cataloged. (I know, shameful; my Summer Project is fully updating my wiki here.)


TL;DR: Old stats are old.

[Nobody Special]

Why, exactly?

[Nobody Special]

I haven't made posts here lately because I've been enjoying watching you make a complete fool of yourself. And you don't need my help to do it, either. Yay!

I rarely defend myself. Very rarely. Town have little need to defend themselves, as they should be scumhunting. Relatedly, I rarely defend myself as scum because -- wait for it -- I'm trying to look townish.

[Nobody Special]

The Careful Reader will note that the above post is not in any way an alignment tell. yessiree, however, will jump on it and swear I just claimed scum.

[Nobody Special]

I'm pretty convinced he's scum based on a number of things: the statistics thing, the cockiness, the survivalist obsession, and the relentless tunneling of an experienced player.

[Nobody Special]

Because I had been focused on Bob until you asked.

Also, there are too many scummy players in this game. Makes choosing difficult, you know?

[Nobody Special]

Shows what

you

know.

unvote

Vote: yessiree

That's L-1. Please ask for a claim prior to hammering.

[Nobody Special]

You're not nearly as clever as you think you are.

[Nobody Special]

Truth be told, I switched to yessiree because he's an irritating little shit who also happens to be scum.

I also think Bob is still scum.

So many choices.


P-Edit: I am not above explaining myself, my previous thing was about defending myself. Subtle difference.

[Nobody Special]

It started with the stats. Then it was the insufferable overconfidence. And the survival thing.

All that together just swings my needle waaaay over to scum. Granted, I may be too emotionally invested in this read, because arrogance in itself pisses me off, not to mention everything else.

I'm willing to step back and re-read other people, and leave yessiree for tomorrow if need be. But for now, he desperately needs rope.

[Nobody Special]

I've been thinking about Bob's supposed scumslip for a few days. I've been going back to my first days playing Mafia (not here.... about 6 years ago) and while I honestly can't recall if I had the exact question (whether I had to be alive to win), I do remember my mindset when being presented with the newness of Mafia. Questioning whether I had to be alive to win would not have been an absurd question, to my mind.

TL;DR: Bob's 'slip' is not really so much. Still ready to hang yessiree.

[Nobody Special]

Questioning whether I had to be alive to win would not have been an absurd question, to my mind.

Bob's slip didn't involve knowing whether he had to be alive to win.

Bob's "slip" was for not knowing the town win condition, if I remember correctly.

Does this affect your belief that Bob slipped?

In 223, Bob says that he assumed the "real winners" {quotes mine} were the survivors. That speaks to his understanding of the town wincon. (Also, bear in mind his first exposure to mafia was on Cracked.com, ffs. There's no way they can play anything close to a real game of mafia over there.)

In 226, he talks about having "just read" the Role PM. I believe other people were assuming he had 'just' (as in just prior to making

that post)

read the PM, whereas I interpret his

I assumed, even after I read the role PM, that the real winners are the ones who live to tell about it

as saying that he thought that even after reading his Role PM {at the beginning of the game}.

Now, please: Explain to me the distinction between a newbtown not knowing whether he had to be alive to win, and a newbtown not knowing the town wincon. Or rather, explain how not knowing you can win while dead negates knowledge of the general town wincon. Or both, really.

[Nobody Special]

I am in no way scared to put you at L-1.

unvote

Vote: Yessiree

[Nobody Special]

It is actually against Site Rules, now stop arguing with the Mod.

[Nobody Special]

Somebody please hammer.

Anybody.

[Nobody Special]

STOP RESPONDING INSIDE QUOTES. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO READ AND EVEN MORE IMPOSSIBLER TO RESPOND TO.

That said, I have a tremendous headache. I have skimmed the walls but my eyeballs fell out. I'm looking for them as we speak.

Probably real content tomorrow. Unless my headache miraculously vanishes.

[Nobody Special]

I could go for a Titus lynch, especially with the yessirree wagon going absolutely

nowhere.

unvote

Vote: Titus

[Nobody Special]

JKM -- you've stated intent to hammer how long ago?

What are/were you waiting for?

[Nobody Special]

No, I'm just frustrated.

[Nobody Special]

I'm primarily frustrated that the yessiree wagon is taking so long to get to lynch especially with him being as scummy

and

anti-town as he is.

I guess I basically want to know his alignment. Really badly.

[Nobody Special]

unvote

Vote: yessiree

[Nobody Special]

At first, I largely thought DrP and Titus was solidly TvT. Now I am leaning toward Titus being scum (which holds with my earlier suspicions of Rika).

Either DrP and Titus are both town, or they are opposite alignments. They surely are not scum together.

Can you link me to the jailor entry in the wiki?

Are you phone-posting?

Dr. Pepper, you have been stopping any discussion that is NOT you versus me.

Wait, what? I didn't see any evidence of this.

I'm fully capable of talking with you forever.

This much is obvious.

[Nobody Special]

The entry does not answer my questions. I was hoping you would link me to something that would answer them.

1) Does the jailkeeper select his target during the day or at night?

2) Does the roleblocker occur before the jailkeeper in the Order of Operations? The first page suggests that the roleblocker takes preference. If there are no roleblock claims, we can infer there is no roleblocker and have just as much information as the mafia. However, if the jailkeeper blocks the mafia. E.g. I'm not understanding preference on the host's first page.

I'm so irritated right now. Did you get a satisfactory answer to this or not? If not, I'll answer it, but I don't feel like going through the mental calisthenics if you're satisfied.

[Nobody Special]

I phone post occasionally. Yes, NS. If I see something that needs to be commented on but I am not near my desktop I will phone post. What of it?

A) Why so defensive? (And I want to apologize for my irritability yesterday. Personal issues, including massive heat, which I'm allergic to.)

B) I've heard that it's quite difficult to get to the wiki from a phone, so I was wondering if you asking for the link was laziness (scum) or phone-posting (notscum).

[Nobody Special]

I am sorry if my scumhunting has irritated you. If it's a specific behavior, please tell me what it is so I can stop. I am trying to be reasonable here.


I had several questions in my day end that were causing me to doubt my scumreads.


How is explaining a "normal" role mental calisthenics?

Jailkeeper/roleblocker question I have

1) If the jailkeeper jails the roleblocker, and the roleblocker blocks someone else does it take effect? In other words is the Order of Operations... 1) Roleblocker blocks jailkeeper 2) Jailkeeper acts 3) Roleblocker blocks anyone else OR is it 1) Roleblocker blocks anyone 2) Jailkeeper acts? In the first scenairo, we cannot assume due to a lack of a roleblock claim that there is no roleblocker. The second scenario, we still likely would see a roleblocked claim.


I think an

unvote

is the right place to be due to seeing too much suspicious acts right now.

I apologize again for my irritation; it's exacerbated by personal issues, but you're being very stubborn about "the way we do things here" and that's one of my pet peeves.

Answer:


(from the setup information, page one,

this very thread)

:
*Roleblocker will take precedence over jailkeeper when resolving night actions should that apply.

Therefore, the Roleblocker blocks the jailkeeper, and the jailkeeper is blocked, which means they do not have an action.

Clear enough?

[Nobody Special]

Then you should've ASKED THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE FFS

[Nobody Special]

My interpretation of

*Roleblocker will take precedence over jailkeeper when resolving night actions should that apply.

is that the roleblocker actions first, therefore if the jailkeeper jails the roleblocker, the jailing action fails.

@Mod: Is this correct?

[Nobody Special]

If the Roleblocker

takes precedence,

then whatever the jailkeeper does (in regard to the roleblocker) is moot.

Why are you making this so difficult?

[Nobody Special]

It just seems (to me) that you are being purposefully obtuse. I guess you're just thorough. Then again, I have a lot of modding experience here, so I am probably biased.

[Nobody Special]

I'll pass, thanks.

[Nobody Special]

Vote: OMG CDB

[Nobody Special]

Daykill: Titus

There. Now we can get something accomplished.

[Nobody Special]

I am not lurking. I am avoiding the idiotic back-and-forth.

[Nobody Special]

I wasn't at all confident that CDB would come back in a timely fashion, and wagons tend to stagnate and fall apart when not maintained.

[Nobody Special]

I wasn't at all confident that CDB would come back in a timely fashion, and wagons tend to stagnate and fall apart when not maintained.

There were no signs of the wagon falling apart. You, one of the biggest supporters of the yessirree lynch, were the first one to leave the wagon. Did you think Titus was more likely to be scum than yessirree when you changed your vote to Titus?

Yes, otherwise I wouldn't've moved my vote.

Titus is easing back toward a scumread due to her readiness to appease town.

Everyone answer me this, for Titus's benefit. What is more deserving of scum tells. Hammering without intent with 11 days on the deadline? O r hammering with intent and a claim and consent with 5 days left on the deadline?

You are misapplying points here. That hammer (made by a townie, no less) context here Newbie 1372

Hammering without intent with 11 days to go is scummier than the other option.

[Nobody Special]

It's hard to win when you're scum. I understand.

[Nobody Special]

Titus: hypothetical question -- if I suddenly became more active, and joined you on the DrPepper wagon, how would that influence your read of me?


Question for everyone else: How do you read CDB?

[Nobody Special]

Just for the record, I certainly do not have a solid townread on Titus at this point.

[Nobody Special]

While I understand your reason for asking the question, I don't really like the question itself. It makes me feel like I'm picking scumteams, which I really try not to do (my earlier pronouncement of CDB + Bob notwithstanding).

At this point, if I was forced to lynch one player, it would be Titus. Reason: Not enough interaction with CDB; and Titus being scummier than Bob.

[Nobody Special]

I don't recall specifics about Bob; I seem to recall some scumslip he made a month or so ago. I'd have to iso myself to find it. He's a lingering scumread based on my ill-advised calling of the team of CDB/Bob.

Titus is scummy (to me) due to her obfuscation and niggling about tiny inconsequential details. It's like she's throwing four million words at the thread to try to get attention as far from herself as possible.

[Nobody Special]

Thinking again on Bob's scumslip, it seems more likely that he would muse about that if he were scum, perhaps not knowing of the existence of the town role PM in the thread. This kinda makes it more likely (to come from scum). Maybe.

One thing is for sure, Titus

cannot

make it into lylo.

[Nobody Special]

P-Edit: This is all toward Titus.


Okay, I understand your linguistic analysis tack. I don't agree with it, and I think you're WAY overthinking

a game,

but I understand.

I meant that CDB has very little interaction with the game

in toto.

I didn't mean any particular interaction at all.

Bob is truly flummoxing me, and it's confounding. We probably should just lynch him just because.

And you can't make it to lylo because you're scummy, it's that simple.

[Nobody Special]

I'm clearly not going to change your mind about me, so.

[Nobody Special]

I'm clearly not going to change your mind about me, so

I'll focus elsewhere.

[Nobody Special]

I wasn't at all confident that CDB would come back in a timely fashion, and wagons tend to stagnate and fall apart when not maintained.

There were no signs of the wagon falling apart. You, one of the biggest supporters of the yessirree lynch, were the first one to leave the wagon. Did you think Titus was more likely to be scum than yessirree when you changed your vote to Titus?

Yes, otherwise I wouldn't've moved my vote.

Did you think yessirree was more likely to be scum than Titus when you changed your vote back to yessirree to hammer him? What made you change your mind?

Not really, no.

I changed to Titus because I really, really,

really

wanted yessiree dead, and it didn't look like it was happening, and I was frustrated.

[Nobody Special]

Way to misrep, Bob. Just because I didn't think yessiree was more likely to be scum than Titus doesn't necessarily mean that I didn't think Titus was or wasn't scum.

And I didn't vote for Titus

because

I wanted yessiree dead; the two are completely independent.

[Nobody Special]

The excuse about wagons falling apart if not maintained is bullcrap.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Nobody Special]

While I understand your reason for asking the question, I don't really like the question itself. It makes me feel like I'm picking scumteams, which I really try not to do (my earlier pronouncement of CDB + Bob notwithstanding).

At this point, if I was forced to lynch one player, it would be Titus. Reason: Not enough interaction with CDB; and Titus being scummier than Bob.

Okay, looking back at this now, I see my intention was extremely muddled. If I may rephrase: My reason for wanting to lynch Titus is that

there has not been enough game interaction from CDB.

I never intended to mean that Titus and CDB had not interacted together enough. Sorry......

And in fact, I corrected myself here:

I meant that CDB has very little interaction with the game

in toto.

I didn't mean any particular interaction at all.

[Nobody Special]

If he had interacted more, and had proven his scumminess, I'd've lynched him. Since he's lurking and null, I chose you.

[Nobody Special]

I want a pony.

[Nobody Special]

***UNOFFICIAL Votecount***

DoctorPepper (1) -

ChannelDelibird

ChannelDelibird (2)-

Nobody Special, Pebro

Nobody Special (1)-

Bicephalous Bob

Titus (2)-

DoctorPepper, JKMatthews

Not voting (2)-

Bacde, Titus

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is at 6pm BST on 12th July 2013.

(I was impatient. Sorry, Nexus.)

[Nobody Special]

I wish CDB would engage more (note I didn't say

post more).

The more he avoids the thread the more I am convinced he is scum.

I can't get a good read on Titus. Every time I'm convinced she's scum, she makes a townpost. Then when I'm happy calling her "perhaps town" she gets all scummy. I hate that.

I'm getting rather bored of this day, and would like it to be over. If anyone thinks that's a scummy thing to say, so be it. This day is dragging on like nothing I've seen before. Scum are probably just in ecstasy.

[Nobody Special]

Pebro who? (I'm too busy doing a threeway tunnel.)

[Nobody Special]

Pebro: Are you town?

[Nobody Special]

Pebro: Are you town?

Yes, you?

Yes.

Thanks for answering.

[Nobody Special]

@Mod: Please tell me if this countdown is accurate:

Deadline: (expired on 2013-07-12 12:59:57)


If so, we've got less than TWO DAYS to decide on a lynch.

I am happy lynching any of the following:

CDB
Titus
Bob

I will begrudgingly vote anyone NOT on that list to avoid a no-lynch. But I will not be happy.

[Nobody Special]

You're just like a slippery little snake, trying to twist your way out of anything that comes at you. Ugh.

unvote

Vote: Titus

[Nobody Special]

What this means is that there are 2 factions of people with extra information right now--the scum, and a town powerrole.

Not necessarily. It could be just the one (faction).

[Nobody Special]

If you both were legitimately scumhunting there would be some interaction between the two of you.

Over time, you will (hopefully) learn that a differing playstyle is not in any way an alignment tell.

[Nobody Special]

Black.


(now you say 'white.')