Newbie 1388 Nexlexia Game Over

[Bacde]

Hi Guys! Welcome to Mafia Scum Dot Net--the worlds biggest (and best) website for playing one of the most addicting, frustrating, life-destroying, ridiculous, sensational, hilarious, aneuryism-creating games known to mankind, Mafia!

I'm sure that if you have gotten to this point that you must have read about the game, understand a few of the concepts, or maybe even played before in real life or on a different forum or chatroom somewhere else.

Despite all that, there is still QUITE a bit to learn about this game (and I'm still learning every day), which is why I am here, your resident IC! (IC stands for inexperience-challenged). I'll be doing my best to be a good IC, and will be following this guide here

Despite me having the role "IC", I just want to lend a shoutout to the 3 SE's in the game: CDB, NS, and DrP. I've played with all three of these players and all three of them have earned my respect as both town and mafia players. Any question that you might have for me can and will be answered equally well by these three players.

However, despite these players' abilities to fully answer any inquiries that you can and will have, I am the one with the role of IC this game and I will do my best to make sure you fully understand everything that you need to. I will provide a few basic tips about the etiquette of mafia on this forum, as well as a couple links to help you all get started.

Tips for someone who has no idea what to do

1. Never self-vote or self-hammer. Remember that you are playing to win, and self-voting is ALWAYS playing against your win condition (whether you are mafia or town). There are barely ANY circumstances where it is in your win condition's favor to self-vote.

2. When someone has 1 less than the required number of votes to be lynched, they are considered to be at

L-1

which means that the next vote will "hammer" them being lynched.

NOTHING CAN REVERSE THIS.

Therefore, when someone is at L-1 and you want to vote them, it is in town's best interest to declare

"Intent to hammer"

, which indicates to the person at L-1 that they should claim their role. Claiming your role at any other time should only be done with VERY good reason (such as if you are a cop with a guilty report on someone)

3. Look for scum (or pretend that you are doing so). This game wouldn't be very fun or productive if everyone came in saying "I don't know who the mafia is. I'll just sit around." If you just do something--anything--then people will HAVE to respond to what you do, and you will better be able to judge their alignments based on their reactions.

To learn more about the basics of this game click here
For a some tips on how to play this game click here
To read about a bad reason to suspect someone of being mafia click here

And if you have any other questions, click here!

So far I'm looking forward to a really fun, enjoyable, casual game of mafia, and I hope you are too!

[Bacde]

So to start, I'm going to

VOTE: gene

despite him being an early townread of mine. What do you guys think of me voting for someone who I think is town?

[Bacde]

According to my calculations, there is about a 1 in 5 chance that our IC is scum
VOTE: Bcade

There's actually a 2/9 chance--which is slightly better than 1 in 5!

[Bacde]

Statistics isn't a good place to start scumhunting. Try this thought experiment: EVERYONE has a 7/9 chance of being town. Since everyone is more likely to be town than mafia, why would we ever lynch anyone?

[Bacde]

Yessiree, why aren't you voting for gene?

What do you think about my vote for gene?

Do you think its likely that a discussion of statistics will draw an alignment-indicative reaction from a player?

[Bacde]

Are you mafia gene?

[Bacde]

oh snaps

VOTE: gene

this is a real vote, and I no longer have a slight townread on gene

[Bacde]

@Yessiree

Yessiree, why aren't you voting for gene?

What do you think about my vote for gene?

Do you think its likely that a discussion of statistics will draw an alignment-indicative reaction from a player?

[Bacde]

If youre town, you dont need to seem like youre not mafia gene.

Apparently I do, because people are really nit-picking for everything. so I have to even answer sarcastic questions such as "are you mafia" correctly to not seem like mafia. I don't know how to answer sarcasm correctly.

What indicated to you that my question was sarcastic?

[Bacde]

Hey just checking in to say I'm still happy with my vote on gene!

If anyone wants to ask me why, go ahead! Otherwise, just vote for gene and thank me when he flips scum

[Bacde]

Can we lynch gene please?

Do you guys remember how when I made the post initially that said "Oh now I have a real scumread on gene" what his first response was?

It was to

immediately discredit it

and he made an attempt to

characterize it as a joke vote

. Also, he made no notice over whether it was alignment indicative, in fact I doubt he would think that I would have been posting "joke votes" at that state in the game if I was scum.

Yet, in his "reads post" he uses my early posts as "evidence" of being scum somehow?

Why is it that WHEN THE POSTS happen, he tries his damndest to discredit me and lessen the pressure of my vote and call it a joke, yet now later on in the thread he is going to act like my early vote was some sort of scum-pressure vote instead of a joke?

He's changing the target and he's being shifty and hes cheekily trying to reverse that pressure onto me. He's scum.

All of this ignores his original "accidentally claimed scum" post, which is right here:

Are you mafia gene?

That only works on me irl.

I cannot, for the life of me, imagine a town-aligned player responding to the question of "are you mafia?" by saying "THAT WONT WORK ON ME THSI GAME IS ONLINE". Its an

absurdly

defensive response to a simple question. A town aligned player is much more likely to say a simple "no" or even "No, do you think I am?" OR EVEN "Yes! Muahaha jk I'm trolling I'm actually town".

But I can't imagine a town-player saying "You won't catch me that way!" to such a simple question.

You guys can talk and stuff if you want, but we are lynching gene today and he will flip scum

[Bacde]

Slips do exist, by the way.

I've seen them.

Haha

[Bacde]

And what happens when I don't? What will be your opinion then?

This is a question that makes assumptions that I can't make.

Namely, you are assuming that you will flip town--I can't know that and actually I disagree greatly. Also, this question has no purpose, I can't imagine you somehow scumhunting with the answer I would possibly try to give to this question.

I could ask you the same question in return, and it would make no difference. But lets do it as a thought experiment:

What will be your opinion when I flip town? What will

YOU

do then?

[Bacde]

But you truly are wrong, and I truly am town. And the way I answered the question makes sense in context. The context was I was telling someone I'm a bad liar and therefore bad at being maf because my face looks guilty, and then you asked me if I was maf, it sounded like a joke, as if you were pretending if I was maf I was going to look guilty through the computer screen. So I said, it only works irl, because clearly you can't see my face through computer screen and know if my face looks guilty or not.

MAYBE if you thought my question was a joke I could buy you "joking" in return

but your response is MUCH more likely to come from scum than from town

lemme think about this

[Bacde]

Bacde, if you are going to say that I did all sorts of things, you need to link to the post for proof. because either you're lying or you aren't remembering correctly.

That was not the vote I was referring to when I called it a joke vote, I called your very first post 11 vote a joke vote.

Here is evidence of you calling my "real" vote a joke vote and also evidence of you attempting to discredit it immediately:

oh snaps

VOTE: gene

this is a real vote, and I no longer have a slight townread on gene

omg, you can't possibly have an actual scumread already on barely page 2. but I like that you're actually trying to be serious this time because it makes me want to engage.

If youre town, you dont need to seem like youre not mafia gene.

Apparently I do, because people are really nit-picking for everything. so I have to even answer sarcastic questions such as "are you mafia" correctly to not seem like mafia. I don't know how to answer sarcasm correctly.

[Bacde]

Well I will answer that. Because I'm not 100% confident that you are maf. you are my strongest scumread, but it is technically possible you are town and this is just how you scumhunt, by pushing hard and fast. Not good for town, but w/e.
If you flip town, I will be moderately surprised and reread for who I think is next scummiest.

Not a hard question to answer. your turn.

My answer is the exact same, on the off-chance you flipped town I would reassess and continue to scumhunt.

Now you tell me this: What were you planning on doing with the answer to this question? How does it help you scumhunt in any manner?

[Bacde]

but it is technically possible you are town and this is just how you scumhunt, by pushing hard and fast. Not good for town, but w/e.

I have links of previous games that show this method being VERY good for town

[Bacde]

Basically (interpretation version):
I said you can tell by my face if I'm guilty or not. you said 'are you mafia?'. I said, you can't see my face so why are you asking.

Yes, I asked you if you were mafia

In my opinion, only a mafia would be worried or nervous about being caught by such a simple question, and thus only a mafia would answer this question in a defensive manner, saying something along the lines of "that won't work on me!" or "it won't be THAT easy to catch me!", which you did.

Its REALLY hard for me to imagine a town-player saying something like that, EVEN if you thought my question was a joke.

If you were town and thought I was joking, why wouldn't you say something along the lines of "No, but you won't even be able to tell that I'm not lying because you can't see my face!"

Its just a revelation of criminal trying-to-not be caught psychology

This reasoning doesn't even involve how IMMEDIATELY after you were VERY focused on looking like town and not looking like mafia--which isn't something town has to do.

[Bacde]

So you waited until town answered that question so you could see how to best answer it too?
So your answer is that you would be "moderately surprised" when I flip town? Why moderately if you seem 100% sure I'm mafia?

Yes, I waited until you answered the question because even though I'm "inexperience-challenged", I forgot how a town would answer that question and just wanted to see someone do it so I could remember how to best answer it.

And "moderately surprised" must have been something you said, because I never indicated what my level of surprise would be. All I said is that I would reassess and continue. I honestly think my level of surprise is unimportant.

[Bacde]

And I want you to feel really dumb.

That's rude.

Unless you're cheeky mafia

I kinda want you to be mafia and not rude so

[Bacde]

No. No mafia on planet earth or any other planet would be worried about being caught by such a simple sentence. If that was it, we'd have far less unsolved crimes today. Cops would just say, "did you rape her?" and he would get all shifty eyes and sweaty, and.... case solved.

Really? Because criminals

HAVE A RIGHT TO PLEAD THE FIFTH

because they accidentally incriminate themselves ALL THE TIME, because they get SO WORRIED

In general, a mafia is more nervous than a town. Thats a fact.

[Bacde]

Apparently I'm such a guilty mafia that I just cave under the pressure of 'did u dun it', but then now I'm going to all this work to show you that I'm not mafia? sounds like two different people to me.

Why does that sound like two different people to you?

Probably at the time you didn't realize you were "caving", and now you're playing "clean-up crew" by trying to save face.

[Bacde]

Why dont we lycnh one and see the flip. If he flips scum, we go for the other one. What does everyone think?

sure whatever

I'm actually not sold on yessirree scum but I'm down for at least lynching gene now and giving a good look at yessirree

[Bacde]

If the scummiest thing about yessiree are his interactions w/ gene, shouldn't we lynch gene first before we even decide whether these "interactions" have any basis in reality?

[Bacde]

@ Doctorpepper, those are actually some really good, solid reasons for thinking I'm maf. I think if I was in your place, I would totally think the same thing. unlike Bacde thinking I'm maf for how I answered "are you scum".
It's very logical to lynch me and see how yessir looks.

Lol now you are just trying to "prove a point" rather than actually think through your reads by saying DrP is "oh so good" compared to me

Look dude, if you are town I need you to work hard WITH me, because I'm town and I'm not going to be lynched today. Both of those are facts.

I've listed more evidence than just how you responded to my simple question, but you are pretending it doesn't exist for some reason? What could be your town motivation to do that?

[Bacde]

Gene, sum up your reasoning for thinking that I'm mafia. I want to see this.

[Bacde]

Bacde - scum. it's really too soon to say scum with any real degree of confidence, but it's the closest I've got. I didn't want to put everyone at null. but basically posts 11, 20, 24, 26. I feel like he starts off this whole game with a very happy-go-lucky attitude. Not like arrogant or confident, but more like we are a bunch of little kids and he's going to have fun going easy on us. I know I could always be wrong, so I'm not saying this with much confidence. but in my experience, mafia ends up being the ones that were trying too hard to be town. this is what Bacde is here here, imo.

Saying "This is how this player is approaching this game" and then "Maybe that approach could be mafia?" isn't a good reason to think someone is scum, by the way.

[Bacde]

UNVOTE:

[Bacde]

Who else besides me is mafia gene? There are 2 mafia

Lets find your/my partner together?

[Bacde]

Tips for someone who has no idea what to do
1. Never self-vote or self-hammer. Remember that you are playing to win, and self-voting is ALWAYS playing against your win condition (whether you are mafia or town). There are barely ANY circumstances where it is in your win condition's favor to self-vote.

I full-heartedly believe in this

I don't want you to self-vote in frustration, so just work me through your logic

[Bacde]

But this is a survival game.

This is only about survival for a mafia

for town this game is much closer to a detective murder mystery game

[Bacde]

You don't need to survive to win

In fact, often dying can be good for your win condition (as town) as people will see that your posts are coming from a town perspective, and can remember your opinions

[Bacde]

I'm wondering why you think its more important to survive than to catch scum?

Usually the better you catch scum the faster you die, but thats not a bad thing.

[Bacde]

If me dying will help town catch scum faster, then that's fine by me.

I just want to be alive when town wins, because there will be a greater sense of accomplishment that way.

Yeah this is all wrong

Usually in my games I aim to be doing SO WELL that the scum HAVE to nightkill me on n1

thats how I get my greatest sense of accomplishment

being alive at the end of the game means that scum thought you were bad, and the most likely to vote incorrectly at the end

[Bacde]

Hey CDB, what did you get from your read?

[Bacde]

^^I like this post, the only thing I'm worried about is that if Gene really is a townie who is buckling under the pressure, then I'd rather ease up that pressure to help him scumhunt. He had said previously that the votes on him were impeding his ability to scumhunt, and I want to see what he does when he's actually looking for scum.

[Bacde]

I agree, but if we end up deciding to lynch gene we have more than enough time to unvote him, and allow him to scumhunt first.

Of the top wagons, I agree with the votes on gene the most, and I'm still somewhat confused by the yessiree slot. Though he is being deliberately anti-town by using methods that are not better at finding scum than random (such as statistics), and also by playing to a "survivalist" strategy, I'm not sure that a mafia would be so candid about playing to such a variant style. My top suspicions after these two slots are CDB and Bicephalous Bob.

I'm not sure why I'm suspicious of Bob, call it gut.

But CDB has been promising to contribute without doing so, and sort of hiding in the shadows. I'd love to give him some motivation to scumhunt

VOTE: CDB

[Bacde]

Biceph might be scum, but I'm not convinced that what he posted was a slip.

Why is it that when Bob admits to not knowing the win condition of a townie, its a slip, but when yessirree insists that he wants to be alive at the endgame for a "bigger feeling of accomplishment", despite that meaning nothing and not being in the town win condition, its not a slip?

[Bacde]

"I am town. So I will not be lynched today, I will not be lynched tomorrow, and I will not be lynched on any day thereafter."

There are town-motivated and scum-motivated reasons to post this, this statement is a null tell.

[Bacde]

I'm liking the similar responses from my townreads--I'm feeling like we have a well organized town core in this game

Then again, I often feel this way right before being brutally destroyed by scum

I want to see Bob's response to the slip accusation, which looks as though it may have been a slip.

[Bacde]

I'm actually being somewhat reserved about calling out my townreads. Perhaps this will result unfavorably, but I'm comfortable for now. I definitely want to hear what Bob is going to say about this slip accusation before I make any vote commitments.

[Bacde]

I've read the thread, but I'm having trouble putting someone down as scum...
Anyone got hints/links as for what to look for?

Hey Pebro!

Check out my first post in this game to see quite a few links about mafia theory/tips for finding scum and playing well! (You can find my first post in the game by clicking on the link that says (ISO) right at the top of this post.

Also, I'd recommend checking out some completed newbie games to see how scum/town interact in different ways!

Basically, we are looking for people who are using fake or false reasoning to get others lynched.

[Bacde]

1. I read my role PM it says I'm superscum
2. I don't read the first post and I'm unable to figure out that the good guys are supposed to kill the bad guys because I suffer from severe mental retardation
3. Yessirree says that he is trying to survive
4. I say what are town what are they even doing in this game can you hold hand while I go pee pee
5. DoctorPepper says ha you would know what town are if you were town because town is explained to town in the town PM town town town
6. I start crying I lick my feet and eat my hair

dude this was hilarious

I'm having a hard time figuring out whether or not I want to lynch bob.

I wish that everyone knew beforehand that winning the game has nothing to do with survival, because then we wouldn't have these questionable situations.

[Bacde]

I'm having a hard time seeing why you jumped from bob to NS

This is honestly the first game I've played with NS where I really feel like he is town.

Maybe NS has kanyeknowsbest syndrome, which is that he's always scummy unless he's scum and then he seems like town?

I dunno though

[Bacde]

No, if a player is scum, then you lynch him

[Bacde]

I made yessirree write in all caps and you're saying I'm not pressuring anyone? That said, I no longer suspect yessirree because he really seems to believe that Nobody Special is scum and I think one half of yessirree's arguments are sound, the other half is laughable. But that doesn't mean he doesn't have anything on NS. Apart from some of the things yessirree quoted, this back and forth between him and NS is suspicious:

Your reasoning behind the FoS on Rikablu?

I honestly can't recall why I suspected Rika. It's probably something I thought I saw in post 96. But let's do this and see if he slips again:

Vote: Rika

So do you believe voting on Rika is a better choice than voting on gene then? Do you expect you can get a slip out of Rika just by your vote on him?

I'm not "expecting" anything. I'm voting.

NS is directly contradicting himself so he doesn't have to explain anything.

how is NS "directly" contradicting himself?

[Bacde]

LOL okay. What's your scum reads then ace detective JKMatthews?

Whats with the sarcasm?

Why did you feel it was appropriate to be sarcastic in this situation?

[Bacde]

Hey yessirree remember how I made a post telling people not to self-vote earlier in the thread?

I really, really, really think its important to not self-vote, especially if you are town.

But something is telling me that you saw how I loosened my pressure on Gene after his self-vote, so you were hoping that the same thing would happen again? This game doesn't work like that. I see your self-vote as MUCH more likely to come from scum than gene's.

[Bacde]

I'm not the biggest fan of the yessirree wagon

I don't know why, it doesn't feel right to me

What happened to people wagoning Bob for a slip? Are you guys convinced that its not a slip now? Because slips don't come from town, so I'm having a hard time believing that someone who was previously convinced that Bob slipped would have switched wagons.

[Bacde]

I really,

really

think that NS is town

which worries me, because I've never strongly read him as town before, in ANY of my games

and he's been town in all the games we've played together

But I'm unwilling to lynch someone that I'm reading as town

so I'm in a pickle

[Bacde]

NS why is yessirree scum instead of just new/inexperienced/off the wall?

[Bacde]

What about Bob's slip?

Do you think that arrogance/use of statistics/survivalistic attitude is more indicative of being scum than a scumslip?

[Bacde]

LOL Bacde, how is NS town?

I almost can't count with my fingers how many times he's jumped from wagon to wagon.

I'm willing to step back and re-read other people.

^also, mission accomplished \^o^/

NS has been pointing out legitimate things to be suspicious of IMO

you can sort of follow his train of thought with his posts, even though he doesn't lay it all out

[Bacde]

Do you think it is impossible for town to change their mind about things?

[Bacde]

Questioning whether I had to be alive to win would not have been an absurd question, to my mind.

Bob's slip didn't involve knowing whether he had to be alive to win.

Bob's "slip" was for not knowing the town win condition, if I remember correctly.

Does this affect your belief that Bob slipped?

[Bacde]

Is there even a possibility that you are wrong yessiree?

I've always had trouble reading NS, and I'm having a hard time believing that you think you can read him so easily.

[Bacde]

DrP, you, you are town

I can be suspicious of a self-vote but not support a wagon, damnit! I don't feel like yessirree is getting wagoned for the right reasons, which makes me not like the wagon in general.

Also, I don't think NS is "too townie to be town". I hate that argument. Hate hate hate it. I just think its weird that I'm reading him as town, when I've only ever read him as null or scum in games I've played w/ him before (and he was town in those games). Just something for me to ponder.

Anyway my vote has been inactive for too long so

VOTE: Bob

[Bacde]

Bacde, are you a female IRL? Because your posts sound very feminine.

lol

not a chance I'm answering this

[Bacde]

Would scum be playing like this? I'm not sure I've ever seen the scum be the loudest and the weirdest player in the room.

I can definitely agree that I don't feel like yessirree is helping us find scum. It might not be a bad d1 lynch.

[Bacde]

What are you even talking about? No one is scared of putting you at L-1

[Bacde]

Okay, so far four people have voted on me

JKMatthews, CDB, NS, Pebro

These people are confirmed town on my list

Why?

Because if you still don't want me dead after my sketchy as fuck random shit, you don't want to win as town. If you see scrubby shit like yessiree, as a town player, you fucking jump on his wagon and tell him to GTFO.

Only scums imo would be willing to let this wacky shit continue, because they think I'll make an easy wagon on any day. So they are saving this easy wagon for later.

that is the worst reason to have those four as confirmed town I've ever seen

why wouldn't mafia just go for an easy lynch on d1? I've done it as mafia a ton of times

[Bacde]

meh I still prefer a bob lynch

[Bacde]

tbh I'm not opposed to a yessirree lynch, but I think a bob lynch has a higher chance of flipping scum

[Bacde]

Actually I think yessiree is town, I don't like this lynch on him

Can we get a bob lynch actually? I don't see any reason to suspect that yessiree is right about bob

[Bacde]

I actually thought rikablu was town, and I had a pretty good townread there, so I'm surprised by DrP's attack on titus and vice versa.

Hmm

hmmmmmmmm

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

VOTE: Yessiree

Let's see what happens here

[Bacde]

What doesn't make sense about it?

[Bacde]

hey hey hey whats up guys what do you think of no one dying

I think its pretty sweet

[Bacde]

I think its most likely Titus and DrP are town

thats all I got out of this discussion

I don't like how CDB is trying to tie us together by saying that whatever I said about yessirree "matched his thoughts"

[Bacde]

Guys, I'm really not feeling the Titus vs. DrP dichotomy

I really, really, really think they are both town.

There seems to be a lot of people taking advantage of Titus' playstyle to call him scummy for it, when he is annoying about it at best. I'm not seeing scum motivation from him.

Especially when we have players like CDB, Bi-Bob, and Pebro (and admittedly myself this past weekend) just sticking to the sidelines avoiding duking it out. Surely

at least one

of CDB, Bi-Bob, and Pebro is scum.

[Bacde]

I do see your point there about lurkers possibly being scum. I'm not agreeing with you at moment, but there have been somethings that have unnerved me. I'd like you to flesh it out a bit. Who do you think is scum the most out of them?

I'm not 100% on anyone specifically, but I can guarantee you that at least one of the lurkers is scum.

If I was scum, and my partner (lets say DrP) got in a huge argument with a townie, I'd do my best to try to lay low and not stick out too much.

Same thing if I was scum, and two townies were in an argument and accusing each other (let's say titus and DrP), I would lay low still and try not to stick out too much.

The ONLY situation that one of the lurkers would not be scum, would be if both of you were scumpartners together, which doesn't seem likely to me because NS already pointed out that he didn't think you were partners either (which was something I was thinking actually). If NS was scum for whatever reason, then what he said was necessarily true. If NS was town, then he actually believed what he said. Either way, I don't see both of you as scum, and NS's statement helps reaffirm my read of that.

[Bacde]

And Maybe DrP is scum, and if he is you need to convince me of it because I'm not seeing it.

I just saw a bunch of wall arguments from two people who both looked like they wanted town to win, so if you saw something from DrP that indicates that he is scum instead, you should by all means quote it and point it out to me and explain why it reveals DrP's underlying scum psychology.

[Bacde]

@Titus do you still think DrP is scum?

@DrP do you have a townread on NS?

[Bacde]

I'm thinking NS might be scum.

I'm going to do a huge reread here, because something isn't adding up.

I definitely don't have a fully-formulated opinion yet. I need to read what has been going on without me.

[Bacde]

My point is that we'll have a big pile of confirmed town/scum posts if we lynch someone who has actually said something of value the last two weeks. I think we should refrain from lynching CDB today not because he's lurking, but because we know his account will stop lurking when day 3 starts. We can then lynch the replacement if he isn't townish and we'll actually learn something from his death.

Besides, a new player might get things rolling again.

I can't help but feel like this is a scumpost

I don't understand why this argument holds for CDB's slot, but not any slot that you might want replaced?

[Bacde]

Is anyone here getting town vibes from Pebro?

[Bacde]

I dunno man

I still feel like we should have lynched gene for his "that won't work on me comment" on like p2

and Pebro hasn't really made me feel better about his slot

[Bacde]

CDB what is your read on Pebro

[Bacde]

My point is that we'll have a big pile of confirmed town/scum posts if we lynch someone who has actually said something of value the last two weeks. I think we should refrain from lynching CDB today not because he's lurking, but because we know his account will stop lurking when day 3 starts. We can then lynch the replacement if he isn't townish and we'll actually learn something from his death.

Besides, a new player might get things rolling again.

I can't help but feel like this is a scumpost

I don't understand why this argument holds for CDB's slot, but not any slot that you might want replaced?

I thought CDB was prodded three days ago, so I figured he'd be replaced no matter what. My argument for not lynching CDB today would've made sense in that case.

Which lurker would you have preferred to lynch?

[Bacde]

@Bacde as IC - Does this setup call for lynching no matter what? What is the proper response when the group won't lynch your scum targets but you'd be standing in the way of a lynch entirely?

We should probably lynch today.

There was no kill last night, and its unlikely that the scum chose to no-kill. What this means is that there are 2 factions of people with extra information right now--the scum, and a town powerrole. We don't know what town powerrole that is, but no-killing gives the scum more opportunity to kill that town power role.

If the group won't lynch your scum targets, you need to either listen to the group, or work harder at convincing the group as to why your targets are scum.

[Bacde]

I've been confused as butt about Titus' slot for the past week or so, which has contributed to my minimal contribution

I still think Bob is a better lynch, how is it "unlike me" to be reluctant to give a read?

[Bacde]

I've been sort of pushing for a bob lynch

I dunno, I guess I haven't really felt a sense of urgency about our lynch today seeing as no one died during the night

I also support a Pebro lynch

I think my posts today have reflected this opinion

[Bacde]

I just really, really don't understand the wagon on Titus. What is he being accused of? Posting too much?

[Bacde]

Whats up guys I'm here

hopefully Titus was scum but I really am not feeling it right now

[Bacde]

To be fair I've also NOT-bussed in games before DrP

Why is it that just because I didn't vote for Titus I have to be town? What about my play this game seems different to you than my scumplay?

[Bacde]

I'm sorry to hear that JKM

Best of luck to you and everyone affected by this great loss